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    What offensive sets/schemes just plain do not work in the Big Ten?

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    I think its really just personnel. You could run anything with the right team and it will work. A bunch of teams can’t currently can’t run a spread offense. But I bet other teams could/will/do and have success.

    Not sure there is simply a set or scheme that simply won’t work.

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    Pro style pass-on-most-downs doesn't seem to work very well - you get basketball scores. Two Nebraska coaches failed at it and so did Jim Wacker at the U.

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    The having the tutors do home work scheme doesn't work well...

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    I am a strong believer that any modern offense will work in any conference provided you have the right teachers on staff and the right talent on campus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Plains Gopher View Post
    Pro style pass-on-most-downs doesn't seem to work very well - you get basketball scores. Two Nebraska coaches failed at it and so did Jim Wacker at the U.
    I may be way off, but I would not call Wacker's offense a pro offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Plains Gopher View Post
    Pro style pass-on-most-downs doesn't seem to work very well - you get basketball scores. Two Nebraska coaches failed at it and so did Jim Wacker at the U.
    Yet it worked for Joe Tiller at Purdue so you may need to rethink that assessment. Also believe NW ran a similar one-back offense in late 90’s and had success.

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    Pass on most downs was a college thing before it was an NFL thing.

    When I think "pro style", I think of almost like the west coast offense (Bill Calahan), where it is a lot of the short passing precision type of routes. I don't think of spreading it out and throwing out of the shotgun.

    To answer the OP, all systems work, it's about execution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling with Gophers View Post
    Yet it worked for Joe Tiller at Purdue so you may need to rethink that assessment. Also believe NW ran a similar one-back offense in late 90’s and had success.
    Well, he had Drew Brees

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    Quote Originally Posted by salzie View Post
    Well, he had Drew Brees
    He had success with Orton too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_Loblaw View Post
    Pass on most downs was a college thing before it was an NFL thing.

    When I think "pro style", I think of almost like the west coast offense (Bill Calahan), where it is a lot of the short passing precision type of routes. I don't think of spreading it out and throwing out of the shotgun.

    To answer the OP, all systems work, it's about execution.
    Absolutely correct.

    In the pro's, the playbooks are huge, but the emphasis is on multi-formations, most of which start with the QB under center, motions & changing plays at the line, multi-routes, running the ball, and finding mismatches between blockers/defenders, runners/defenders, and receivers/coverage in personnel. They don't run these "shotgun every play, throw the ball 50 times a game, Mike Leach" type things, very often. Usually just as a change up, now and then. Unless you have a particular QB that is built to thrive in that situation, like perhaps Cam Newton. But even then, I bet he lines up under center more than shotgun, on average.

    And execution is everything. You don't need a fancy/tricky formation. You just line up, wait for a receiver to make a move and break open, then rely on your QB to throw a perfect pass.
    Last edited by Gophers_4life; 08-10-2018 at 09:06 AM.

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    As for the Big Ten ... I think you see a spectrum of offensive schemes, and they can work with the right personnel.

    Ohio St often has the best athletes in the league, and have a running QB. Wisconsin on the other hand, likes to run the ball.


    I would say that the other P5 conferences run the "chuck n duck, shotgun majority" offensives more often, where as the Big Ten has more pro-style schemes, on average. Notable exceptions of course, like Stanford, Alabama, Pitt, and some others.

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    To me, the biggest difference between the pros & college: In college, a team has an identity & usually sticks to it, at least from week to week. In the NFL, they can & will adapt their offense that game/week to attack a certain place on a defense or opponent.

    In terms of the Big Ten, I think all offenses CAN work. Purdue certainly showed that you can play wide open in the Big Ten. I do think in terms of long term success, that type of offense has a bit more difficulty in succeeding. I think you have to be able to succeed at running the ball, one way or another. Ohio State spreads it out, but running the ball is still their meal ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ewert86PC View Post
    What offensive sets/schemes just plain do not work in the Big Ten?

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