STrib: Gophers to seek waiver for Pittsburgh transfer Marcus Carr to play in '18-19

I'd rather have Crandall over Carr and Stockman.


That doesn't make sense. It might make sense if Crandall were a poor man's college version of Russell Westbrook but I don't think anyone thinks he's that good. Given the roster shortage problems throughout Pitino's career here, I'd rather have two contributing rotation players than one and those two fill different roster roles. Furthermore, there's only one ball to go around. With Murphy, Washington, and Coffey already on the roster, I'd rather have two solid supporting players than one ball dominate player. Finally, Carr and Stockman give us four player years instead of one with just Crandall.
 

That doesn't make sense. It might make sense if Crandall were a poor man's college version of Russell Westbrook but I don't think anyone thinks he's that good. Given the roster shortage problems throughout Pitino's career here, I'd rather have two contributing rotation players than one and those two fill different roster roles. Furthermore, there's only one ball to go around. With Murphy, Washington, and Coffey already on the roster, I'd rather have two solid supporting players than one ball dominate player. Finally, Carr and Stockman give us four player years instead of one with just Crandall.

One good player is always better than two solid players in the game of basketball and Stockman is probably less than a solid starter, more of an ok backup.

Aslo Crandall is a very willing passer, more so than IW.
 

That doesn't make sense. It might make sense if Crandall were a poor man's college version of Russell Westbrook but I don't think anyone thinks he's that good. Given the roster shortage problems throughout Pitino's career here, I'd rather have two contributing rotation players than one and those two fill different roster roles. Furthermore, there's only one ball to go around. With Murphy, Washington, and Coffey already on the roster, I'd rather have two solid supporting players than one ball dominate player. Finally, Carr and Stockman give us four player years instead of one with just Crandall.

Exactly, and “what’s his name” may have revealed his character in what he allegedly did to Pitino. I wouldn’t trust my team to him. We will see just what sort of numbers he puts up at that overrated school we went to.


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Exactly, and “what’s his name” may have revealed his character in what he allegedly did to Pitino. I wouldn’t trust my team to him. We will see just what sort of numbers he puts up at that overrated school we went to.


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Exactly. Everything changed when Crandall crapped on Gophers basketball and its fans. Why anyone wastes our time arguing we would be better off with him is beyond me. None of us fans want him anymore. He deceived our coach and left us in a tough spot. He’s gone and not welcome on campus anymore. Carr signed on the dotted line and I’m ready to cheer for him and Stockman. As far as I’m concerned, they are Minnesotans now. Crandall is not anymore.


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Everything changed when Crandall crapped on Gophers basketball and its fans. Why anyone wastes our time arguing we would be better off with him is beyond me. None of us fans want him anymore. He deceived our coach and left us in a tough spot. He’s gone and not welcome on campus anymore. Carr signed on the dotted line and I’m ready to cheer for him and Stockman. As far as I’m concerned, they are Minnesotans now. Crandall is not anymore.


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That's because I believe he is a better player than either and would do more for this team than both combined. The fact that he "crapped" on our team and "decieved" our coach has no impact on what I will argue will make us a better team or not.
 


That's because I believe he is a better player than either and would do more for this team than both combined. The fact that he "crapped" on our team and "decieved" our coach has no impact on what I will argue will make us a better team or not.

I think you have Crandall way overrated. He was solid, and had a couple really good games. That said, Carr is a much better player than people are giving him credit for, and if not already this year, in another year or two will likely be better, if not much better, than Crandall.


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One good player is always better than two solid players in the game of basketball and Stockman is probably less than a solid starter, more of an ok backup.

Aslo Crandall is a very willing passer, more so than IW.

1) No, not always. Context matters. "Always" be careful of throwing around words like "always" carelessly.

2) I didn't say solid starter. I said solid rotation player.

3) You don't have enough evidence to make the last assertion with any degree of confidence.
 

1) No, not always. Context matters. "Always" be careful of throwing around words like "always" carelessly.

2) I didn't say solid starter. I said solid rotation player.

3) You don't have enough evidence to make the last assertion with any degree of confidence.

Here is your evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmnWHo7szqE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNHz_1EldJ8&t=416s
https://www.btn2go.com/game/n-dakota-at-iowa-on-12202016
https://www.btn2go.com/game/n-dakota-at-nebraska-on-11192017
https://www.btn2go.com/game/n-dakota-at-wisconsin-on-20151117

I watched all 5 of these games in full while eying Geno very closely and from what I saw with him I felt he was a more willing passer despite having worse finishers/shooters around him and am confident in that assessment.
 

That's because I believe he is a better player than either and would do more for this team than both combined. The fact that he "crapped" on our team and "decieved" our coach has no impact on what I will argue will make us a better team or not.

Yeah and LeBron would help our teams also, but he ain’t coming!


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Here is your evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmnWHo7szqE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNHz_1EldJ8&t=416s
https://www.btn2go.com/game/n-dakota-at-iowa-on-12202016
https://www.btn2go.com/game/n-dakota-at-nebraska-on-11192017
https://www.btn2go.com/game/n-dakota-at-wisconsin-on-20151117

I watched all 5 of these games in full while eying Geno very closely and from what I saw with him I felt he was a more willing passer despite having worse finishers/shooters around him and am confident in that assessment.

We are happy for you, but Who the F! Cares.


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Anyways, back on track. With it being a pretty dead time, no practices, not much 'crootin news going on, the Carr decision is the #1 reason I check this board a few times per day waiting for an answer. Can never have to much depth, and he would add high quality depth.

Fingers crossed.
 

Anyways, back on track. With it being a pretty dead time, no practices, not much 'crootin news going on, the Carr decision is the #1 reason I check this board a few times per day waiting for an answer. Can never have to much depth, and he would add high quality depth.

Fingers crossed.

Thank you for posting something rational and worth reading. That's rare on Gopherhole these days, sadly.


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Here is your evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmnWHo7szqE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNHz_1EldJ8&t=416s
https://www.btn2go.com/game/n-dakota-at-iowa-on-12202016
https://www.btn2go.com/game/n-dakota-at-nebraska-on-11192017
https://www.btn2go.com/game/n-dakota-at-wisconsin-on-20151117

I watched all 5 of these games in full while eying Geno very closely and from what I saw with him I felt he was a more willing passer despite having worse finishers/shooters around him and am confident in that assessment.

Apparently, you don't understand a few things things:

1) the limitations of anecdotal evidence;
2) past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results;
3) and, once again, context matters.

Crandall was a 4th year junior last year while Washington was a true freshman experiencing a difficult transition period under a much higher level of competition. Nevertheless, Washington's performance was significantly better in conference play than nonconference play (something that is not so typical for a power conference freshman). By advanced and per minute measures, Washington's assist rates in conference play were very slightly higher than Crandall's in his conference play. Furthermore, Washington wasn't playing with a very good set of finishers in his conference play either.

I think there's enough evidence to be somewhat optimistic of Washington's abilities and willingness to pass if he is a starter this year as expected. The question that is more doubtful is whether Washington will ever approach Crandall's scoring efficiency.
 



Very much in the Washington camp on this one. Freshman season was a struggle but to get into the heat of it all as a true freshman is pretty tough. He will make a jump up this year.
 

Anyways, back on track. With it being a pretty dead time, no practices, not much 'crootin news going on, the Carr decision is the #1 reason I check this board a few times per day waiting for an answer. Can never have to much depth, and he would add high quality depth.

Fingers crossed.

What is taking so long compared to the other decisions?
 

Crandall would have been a good get, however if Carr is eligible he will put up better numbers than Crandall this year. Stockman will surprise all of you.
 

Crandall would have been a good get, however if Carr is eligible he will put up better numbers than Crandall this year. Stockman will surprise all of you.

I have no opinion on the first assertion. I do believe that Stockman will be a more valuable rotation player than some are expecting.
 

Crandall would have been a good get, however if Carr is eligible he will put up better numbers than Crandall this year. Stockman will surprise all of you.

Hope you are right on Stockman but I’d like to know what you base that on? There is really no playing time evidence? He may just be another Konate (not intending to be disrespectful, Konate tried his best).
 

Hope you are right on Stockman but I’d like to know what you base that on? There is really no playing time evidence? He may just be another Konate (not intending to be disrespectful, Konate tried his best).

Well, there's no chance he could be as bad as Konate. There are 1/2 dozen MN high school centers that would have been more valuable than him last season.
Quite possibly, the worst center to ever start for a B10 team the last 50 years.
 

Well, there's no chance he could be as bad as Konate. There are 1/2 dozen MN high school centers that would have been more valuable than him last season.
Quite possibly, the worst center to ever start for a B10 team the last 50 years.

Lol. Quite the hyperbole.
 

Well, there's no chance he could be as bad as Konate. There are 1/2 dozen MN high school centers that would have been more valuable than him last season.
Quite possibly, the worst center to ever start for a B10 team the last 50 years.

Who beside Oturu? Please don’t say Hedstrom or Trapp? Lol
 

The NCAA is not in the business of letting DI men's basketball transfers play the same year, just because the coach who recruited you to the first school got fired or otherwise left. If you're a grad transfer, fine. But if you're an undergrad, very unlikely.

Don't think we should be sitting around waiting to hear the news. Most likely he won't be eligible this year.
 




NCAA has changed their tone on that, now it's a wait and see case by case.

I agree it appears the NCAA has opened up the doors a bit in terms of allowing transfers to play right away, but I'm not holding my breath on this one.

In other cases where immediate eligibility was granted the player either never played a game/played very few games at their former school, transferred mid-season, moved closer to home, or have some extenuating circumstances beyond something as simple as a coach being fired. None of those apply to Carr, and there are no other extenuating circumstances that I am aware of in his case.

If there are family reasons or something else that we don't know about the situation then I think he has a real shot, but if the reasoning used in the appeal is simply that he should be eligible because his coach got fired then I'd be shocked if it was successful. I really don't think the NCAA wants to open up free transfers to anyone who has a coach get fired. That could have some pretty far-reaching implications that I'm not sure would be good for NCAA sports.
 

The NCAA is not in the business of letting DI men's basketball transfers play the same year, just because the coach who recruited you to the first school got fired or otherwise left. If you're a grad transfer, fine. But if you're an undergrad, very unlikely.

Don't think we should be sitting around waiting to hear the news. Most likely he won't be eligible this year.
So...you're saying there's a chance...[emoji56]
 

Grad transfers yes ... but otherwise?? Can you link to an article about that? Thank you in advance! (serious request, not sarcasm)

Seriously, have you even been reading this thread? There is plenty of evidence that the NCAA has been granting waivers, google it.


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I really don't think the NCAA wants to open up free transfers to anyone who has a coach get fired. That could have some pretty far-reaching implications that I'm not sure would be good for NCAA sports.

Exactly
 




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