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    I read an article the other day about the rise of "Democratic Socialism." This is a real thing. they hold meetings and everything.

    I am a self-professed Democrat - but I am much more of a moderate Democrat. The "Free College, abolish ICE" crowd may be sincere in their beliefs, but I think they are also incredibly naive if they think that can be the basis for a national party.

    But - to tie this in with the topic of the thread - a candidate like Ocasio-Cortez can win a primary, because fewer people vote in primaries and they tend to be dominated by the activists. In some House districts, a candidate like Ocasio-Cortez could win, depending on demographics and voter turnout.

    But, I see no way - none - that a candidate from the far, far left of the Democratic Party could win a state-wide race. (OK, maybe in NY or California - but that's still a long shot). And at the National level, forget it.

    So, the question remains, how does the Democratic Party figure out a way to combine its factions and become relevant in state-wide and national races? Right now, I don't know.

    At my most idealistic, I would like to see a complete political re-alignment in this country, resulting in 3 major political parties: a Hard-Left Party, a Centrist Party, and a Hard-Right Party. Give people a clear choice. Obviously, this would create new issues. It would move the US more in the direction of countries like England, where different parties have to form coalitions to create a governing majority. But, that might not be a bad thing - it would require more compromise, which this country badly needs. And, in my heart of hearts, I would like to think that the Centrist party would receive the most support - because I still believe that more people exist in the middle of the political spectrum, instead of on the fringes.


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    The centrists have no where to go right now. The Ds have purged them and the Rs are slowly marginalizing them (for good reason).
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    Quote Originally Posted by short ornery norwegian View Post
    I read an article the other day about the rise of "Democratic Socialism." This is a real thing. they hold meetings and everything.

    I am a self-professed Democrat - but I am much more of a moderate Democrat. The "Free College, abolish ICE" crowd may be sincere in their beliefs, but I think they are also incredibly naive if they think that can be the basis for a national party.

    But - to tie this in with the topic of the thread - a candidate like Ocasio-Cortez can win a primary, because fewer people vote in primaries and they tend to be dominated by the activists. In some House districts, a candidate like Ocasio-Cortez could win, depending on demographics and voter turnout.

    But, I see no way - none - that a candidate from the far, far left of the Democratic Party could win a state-wide race. (OK, maybe in NY or California - but that's still a long shot). And at the National level, forget it.

    So, the question remains, how does the Democratic Party figure out a way to combine its factions and become relevant in state-wide and national races? Right now, I don't know.

    At my most idealistic, I would like to see a complete political re-alignment in this country, resulting in 3 major political parties: a Hard-Left Party, a Centrist Party, and a Hard-Right Party. Give people a clear choice. Obviously, this would create new issues. It would move the US more in the direction of countries like England, where different parties have to form coalitions to create a governing majority. But, that might not be a bad thing - it would require more compromise, which this country badly needs. And, in my heart of hearts, I would like to think that the Centrist party would receive the most support - because I still believe that more people exist in the middle of the political spectrum, instead of on the fringes.
    Keith Ellison won a state wide race right here in fly-over country and is so beloved within the DNC that he shot up the ranks to become Deputy Chair of the DNC. He's one of the future stars they have in the farm system as well. A guy with extensive ties to racist organizations, who just 2 months ago marched in an immigration protest wearing a t-shirt that read "I don't believe in borders".

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    Quote Originally Posted by cncmin View Post
    I've been warning you that the far-left backlash is what comes after far-right corruption. Do you care, yet? Or should we just carry on current business as usual further down this path and face the inevitable?

    The far left is little to no better than the far right, both are nuts. The main difference is that the far-left of the U.S. is about 1/3 or smaller than the size of the far right....but now growing.
    Wrong, wrong and wrong again. The progressives are far-left backlash to the corruption of the establishment D's or the Neolibs.

    This started long before Trump.

    I'd like to see some data to support your theory, but won't hold my breath. This is not some tiny fringe movement within the D party, this is mainstream and the future of the party. There's really no place for old White men like yourself anymore. Time has passed you by, you just haven't accepted it yet. The farmers have realized it. The working class Whites have realized it. All the passion, the enthusiasm, comes from the young people and hard-core socialist/open borders/gender bender/racism is what it looks like. Hillary was able to screw them out of the nomination in 2016, can she hold them off again in 2020? They're young. You Neolibs are old. It's only matter of time before they win this civil war within the party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    Keith Ellison won a state wide race right here in fly-over country and is so beloved within the DNC that he shot up the ranks to become Deputy Chair of the DNC. He's one of the future stars they have in the farm system as well. A guy with extensive ties to racist organizations, who just 2 months ago marched in an immigration protest wearing a t-shirt that read "I don't believe in borders".
    Correction - Keith Ellison did not win a "State-wide" race. He represented a State House district, then the 5th Congressional District - which is basically the City of Minneapolis and is one of the most reliable DFL districts in the country. He is now hoping to run for a state-wide race - attorney General - if he wins the primary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by short ornery norwegian View Post
    Correction - Keith Ellison did not win a "State-wide" race. He represented a State House district, then the 5th Congressional District - which is basically the City of Minneapolis and is one of the most reliable DFL districts in the country. He is now hoping to run for a state-wide race - attorney General - if he wins the primary.
    Touche. I stand corrected.

    He has risen quickly within the party though and appears, along with other socialist/progressives, to represent the future of the party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    Keith Ellison won a state wide race right here in fly-over country and is so beloved within the DNC that he shot up the ranks to become Deputy Chair of the DNC. He's one of the future stars they have in the farm system as well. A guy with extensive ties to racist organizations, who just 2 months ago marched in an immigration protest wearing a t-shirt that read "I don't believe in borders".
    Ellison has never won a state race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gopherguy0723 View Post
    Ellison has never won a state race.
    Point taken. I stand corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gopherguy0723 View Post
    Wow she is dumb. Unbelievably dumb.
    She was a bartender a year ago. It’s not her fault, she worked and campaigned hard and won.
    The really dumb people are those on the left who decided “yes, this is our future star” and ran all kinds of puff pieces.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    She was a bartender a year ago. It’s not her fault, she worked and campaigned hard and won.
    The really dumb people are those on the left who decided “yes, this is our future star” and ran all kinds of puff pieces.


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    I don't disagree with most of what you said, except she isn't the future of the party.

    Either way, she is stupid.

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    Yes, she and Weekend are the future. Time to come over and help us reform the Rs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diehard View Post
    Yes, she and Weekend are the future. Time to come over and help us reform the Rs.

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    She isn't as long as I have a say. If she eventually becomes the future, then we can talk about your suggestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    Keith Ellison won a state wide race right here in fly-over country and is so beloved within the DNC that he shot up the ranks to become Deputy Chair of the DNC. He's one of the future stars they have in the farm system as well. A guy with extensive ties to racist organizations, who just 2 months ago marched in an immigration protest wearing a t-shirt that read "I don't believe in borders".
    State wide my ass.
    I see you have already been corrected, but you get it. Could not stand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    Touche. I stand corrected.

    He has risen quickly within the party though and appears, along with other socialist/progressives, to represent the future of the party.
    I’ll buy you a beverage of your choice if he win Minnesota AG.

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    This whole concept, including your disdain for Congressman Ellison flouts the Federalism that is the bedrock of Conservatism.

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