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    There is a fairly long history of player-coaches or player-managers in pro sports, but in every case, they were coaching or managing the team that they played on, not a different team.

    Bill Russell won 2 NBA titles as a player-coach for the Celtics. I think the most recent example is Pete Rose, who was a player-manager for the Reds for a couple of years.

    Of course, in today's world, being a coach is a year-round job, so Whalen is facing a more difficult challenge. If I had to bet, I would say this is her last year as an active player for the Lynx. I'm sure she was hoping to go out with one more title, but the Lynx will have to turn things around in a hurry if they want to pull that off.


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    Maya has not been great and the team is old and that is the problem Lindsay is very old and that is a problem, and Simone is old as well. Maya, Burnson and Sylvia have to carry this team if anything great is going to happen and Maya has not been up to snuff.

    All this whining and worrying about for a 36 year old with a fairly stout physique to be an elite PG is misguided. Most of the WNBA players play a long European season where they make the real money, and Lindsay has not done that for at least two years so she is fresh. She is just getting old and thick (for a PG) and the Gopher job has nothing to do with any of this. And to retract the earlier comment, Lindsay W. has always been a very sturdy player, so being 36 is the issue most likely, not anything else.

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    Cheryl Reeve has to start thinking of a youth movement.

    Lindsay Whalen has a determined fighting spirit, but the sun is setting on her career as a pro player. Michael Jordan fought age, but came to the realization that while the spirit was willing the body wasn't quite what it used to be.

    I'd say this will be the last season for her playing for the Lynx. We shall forever be grateful for the Lynx being the only MN pro team to bring four championships in the recent era.

    Lindsay Whalen was part of a team that energized the crowd. Since her arrival in a trade with the Connecticut Sun, the Lynx has an average season attendance of 10,407. Only the LA Sparks with 11,350 is higher.
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    Whalen is playing pretty good against the Mercury first quarter. It is now 3rd quarter 5:18. Lynx lead 58-39, Whalen just made a 3-pointer for a total of 11 points.
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    Whalen was great vs. the Mercury and the rest of the team looked pretty impressive as well. Maya Moore and Fowles can carry the team if either gets going.

    I hope the new guards can get comfortable and start to bring their considerable skills to the team. #3 super quick and Tanisha R is super tough. (#9 the foreign player looks like she has some potential as well)

    My concern right now is that Simone A. is getting old in a hurry plus has been injured and she looks like a shell of her former self. She is not moving well on the floor at all, looks very awkward when jumping and cutting, and I hope she can recover from her injuries and is not just washed up. Regardless, she had a great career and had much to do with the championships.

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    Cecilia Zandalasini I thought looked good. I think the youth movement is slowly starting. Whalen is like a second coach on the team. She'll play less and less or as needed desperately to preserve what is left in her tank for the rest of the season IMHO. Is Carlie Wagner eventually going to return? It will be a battle for her. She has to go overseas and get playing time and experience and conditioning.
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    I recently had the same concern about the inevitable decline in performance by Seimone. Then I looked at her stats and watched her closely for a couple of games. So far this year she actually still shows good stuff. Her minutes per game were 26.4 in 2016, 27.7 in 2017 and 25.9 this year. Her scoring average was 11.2 in 2016, 10.9 in 2017 and 11.5 this year. Plus I watched her closely guarding Diana T their last two matches and I have to say Seimone was keeping up with Taurasi as well as ever. So far, so good. I also agree that Cheryl recruited good talent in Robinson and Wright, both of whom have previously played at an All Star level and have some chip on their shoulder to prove they still have it. I also believe Ceci and even Jones have excellent outside shooting ability and hopefully will show that as they get more playing experience.

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    Whalen and Seimone may not score as many points, but their value on court is priceless. BTW, I was surprised to look up the standings and see the Lynx are now 10-6 with a seven-game win streak. They are still in 4th behind in the Western Conference behind the 13-5 Mercury, and 12-5 Storm and Sparks. There is eighteen games left in the regular season.
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    Can Whalen win at Minnesota? IMHO, if she shows coaching and recruiting prowess early on, and with her history of winning at all levels she can. But, the history of successful winning coaches indicates it takes time to build a program to championship level.

    It starts with being able to recruit players like Paige Beuckers. Will she stay home? I'd be surprised.

    But, not all great players decide to leave. If she does stay home, she may put the Gophers at a faster trajectory into a program with a shot at the Final Four or who knows. It's all about timing.

    Connecticut and Notre Dame are two powerhouses with established coaches. It is hard to compete against them in recruiting. Tennessee was another program that reached greatness under Pat Summitt. It wasn't always like that for all these programs. It took some time.

    Here are a snapshot of the three winning coaches:

    Notre Dame:
    Coach - Muffet McGraw, 1987 to present
    Record - 886-270
    National Championships 2 - 2001, 2018
    Number of years coaching before first national championship: 14 years
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_...27s_basketball

    Connecticut:
    Coach - Gino Auriemma 1985 to present
    Record - 1119-297
    National Championships 11 - 1995, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
    Number of years coaching before first national championship: 10 years
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connec...27s_basketball

    Tennessee:
    Coach - Pat Summitt 1974-2012
    Record - 1098-208
    National Championships 8 - 1987, 1989, 1991, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2007, 2008
    Number of years coaching before first national championship: 13 years
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Summitt

    BUT, other coaches have won a National Championship sooner albeit they have not reached the pantheon of greatness that McGraw, Auriemma, and Summitt have achieved.

    Brenda Frese at Maryland won the National Championship in 2006, four years after she left Minnesota. We can only speculate what could have happen had she stayed. Brenda Frese leaving Minnesota was a big blow. It was tough to see the U letting her get away. I don't know the reason why she bolted. She is one of the coaches to watch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brenda_Frese

    Kim Mulkey at Baylor won her first National Championship in her fifth year in 2005. She won again in seven years later in 2012. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Mulkey

    A more contemporary comparison to Whalen is Dawn Staley. She coached at Temple 2000-2008. She was coaching while playing for the WNBA. She was with the Charlotte Sting between 1999-2005, and then with Houston Comets in 2006. She then went to coach South Carolina in 2008. It took her 9 years at South Carolina to win her first National Championship in 2017. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn_S...oaching_career

    Will Whalen be like Dawn Staley or Brenda Frese, or something else? Time will tell. All the resources and support are in place for her to pen her chapter and win at Minnesota. The future of Gopher Women's Basketball looks good. Whalen has to be lucky in recruiting great talent early to fast track the program. It's all about recruiting to reach the pinnacle of success. You have to win consistently and make it far into the NCAA tournament to attract even better players.

    NCAA Women's Basketball Championship History - https://www.ncaa.com/history/basketball-women/d1
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    Continuing the discussion on why Brenda Frese left Minnesota, here is an article in the Coach&AD magazine, Charlie Patton, October 2, 2009.

    COACH: What made you leave Minnesota for Maryland after only one year? What did you see in the Maryland program that convinced you that the Lady Terrapins were ready to become a powerhouse?

    FRESE: There were a lot of factors. First and foremost was the vision of our athletic director, Debbie Yow. She was very instrumental in her leadership and we just really meshed, we were in sync. Maryland had been a powerhouse in the 1980s and I knew with the support, facilities, and the location, we had the ability that we needed to attract top-notch players to play for us in the ACC. I thought the combination of all of those factors presented us with a perfect fit to make it a nationally ranked program.

    So, it wasn't so much that Minnesota is a bad place or AD Joel Maturi. It is more what Maryland had to offer that made it a far superior place to coach.

    If you read the rest of the article, you find some very interesting insight as to what makes a good coach.

    We hope that Lindsay Whalen has those qualities that bring out the best out of every player, and that she has/develop recruiting savvy.

    https://coachad.com/articles/brenda-frese/
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungan1 View Post

    So, it wasn't so much that Minnesota is a bad place or AD Joel Maturi.

    https://coachad.com/articles/brenda-frese/
    Maturi did not become AD until after Borton was hired. Frese left because of women's AD Chris Voelz. Frese and Voelz didn't see eye to eye. Voelz was gone before Borton was hired. That should tell you something.

    As we found out a few years ago, Frese was also interviewing at Ohio State. The Buckeyes thought she was coming to Columbus and were surprised when she signed on at Maryland. Brenda wanted out.

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    Actually, Voelz hired Borton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gopher68 View Post
    Actually, Voelz hired Borton.
    My mistake. Voelz was gone shortly after Borton's hiring.

    https://gophersports.com/news/2002/5...px?path=wbball

    "This winter, the women's basketball program was the pride of our state," said University President Mark Yudof. "I am confident that under Pam's leadership this program will continue to achieve great success, attract record crowds and inspire all Minnesotans."

    "Coach Borton brings an outstanding record both on and off the court to this program," said University Vice President and Chief of Staff, Tonya Moten Brown. "We're delighted to have her join our team."

    "Though we've had a few speed bumps getting to today, I believe the hiring of Pam Borton assures us that we will not miss a beat in resuming our pace in athletic achievement, academic accomplishment and community enthusiasm for Golden Gopher women's basketball," said Voelz.

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    I also recall that Frese was in the process of getting a divorce from her first husband at the time. I doubt that this was the major reason she wanted to get out of town, but it was probably a factor. IMO, the major reason for her departure was her relationship with Voelz, and then the subsequent feeling that she would have a much better relationship with Yow. Recruiting base and facilities were also a factor. I recall that Yudof, then the U of M president, had offered her a nice salary increase after that magical year, but it was not enough to convince Frese to stay. Yes, I think she could have had the same long-term success here that she has had a Maryland. No, I have never forgiven her for using the U as such a quick steppingstone.

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    https://www.apnews.com/c1e56b30a4ebec225ca82785729b4408

    Brenda Oldfield, who turned around the women’s basketball program at Minnesota in her first year as coach, is expected to be hired Tuesday by the University of Maryland, The Associated Press has learned.

    Oldfield, who led the Golden Gophers to their first winning record since 1993-94, has agreed to a six-year contract, according to a university source, who spoke Monday night on condition of anonymity.

    Other terms of the contract were not released.

    Minnesota had offered Oldfield a ``very competitive″ package to stay put, women’s athletics director Chris Voelz said, but that apparently was not enough. Her current $130,000 annual base salary is less than half that of many coaches at comparable programs.

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