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    It's quite amazing what Lindsay Whalen's name can do to recruiting attention.

    She had no trouble filling up the 2019 recruiting class. She had never been a head coach before. She came in late in the season full time after she decided to retire from the Lynx.

    Her first season as a head coach will be pivotal.
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    I'm thrilled that we are putting our names in the mix for the best of the best. It's true that at some point we need to get some wins but I think Lindsey alone will change our entire recruiting plan.

    If you eliminate UConn from the mix it's always seemed to me that girls are a little less likely to chase frontrunners in the way that the boys do. I'm not sure this will help us with all of the MN kids but it sure does make it easier to stay home and for those from out of state having a WNBA HOFer as a head coach doesn't suck.

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    Ugass has not been offered

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    Quote Originally Posted by bball_craz_26 View Post
    Last I checked this is the known offers/looking for at Minnesota.

    2020:
    Paige Bueckers-Hopkins-6’0 Guard-ESPN Ranked #1-(not a guess, guarantee by far top kid for MN 2020)
    Alyssa Ustby-Rochester Lourdes-6’2 Guard/Forward
    McKenzie Kramer-St. Michael Albertville-5’8 Guard
    Lauren Jensen-Lakeville North-5’9 Guard

    2021:
    Kendall Coley-St.Louis Park-6’1 Guard
    Sophie Hart-Farmington-6’4 Center
    Adalia McKenzie-Park Center- 5’10 Guard/Forward-(my guess for top MN kid for 2021)
    Jenna Johnson-Wayzata-6’2 Forward
    Tamia Ugass-Roseville-6’3 Post
    Ellie Dague-Henning-5’9 Guard

    2022:

    Maya Nnaji-Hopkins-6’3 Forward -(my guess for top MN kid for 2022)
    Mallory Heyer-Chaska-6’2 Forward
    Amaya Battle-Hopkins-Hopkins-5’10 Guard

    unsure if this is updated or if they have lost interest in any of these kids to date. also unsure if any of these kids have released a list that doesn't have gophers on it. for 2020 this is the known list of out of state offers:

    Treasure Thompson, 6-3 C, Bolingbrook HS (IL) ESPN Ranked #44
    Destiny Salary, 5-10 G, Jonesboro HS (AR)
    Sasha Goforth, 6-1 SG, Fayetteville HS (AR) ESPN Ranked #21
    Angela Dugalic, 6-3 W, Maine West HS, (IL) ESPN Ranked #33
    Leilani Kapinus, 5-10 G, Madison Memorial HS (WI) ESPN Ranked #9
    Shelby Calhoun, 5’11 G, Christian Academy of Louisville (KY) ESPN Ranked #29
    Ra’Shaya Kyle, 6’6 Forward, Marion HS (IN) ESPN ranked #39
    Halle Douglass, 6’1 W, Lake Forest HS (IL)
    Lauren Ware, 6’3 PF, Century HS (ND) ESPN ranked #38

    My guess is the class of 2020 (even without bueckers) is the class that the staff is looking at making the biggest splash with.
    Great information. Thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bball_craz_26 View Post
    Last I checked this is the known offers/looking for at Minnesota.

    2020:
    Paige Bueckers-Hopkins-6’0 Guard-ESPN Ranked #1-(not a guess, guarantee by far top kid for MN 2020)
    Alyssa Ustby-Rochester Lourdes-6’2 Guard/Forward
    McKenzie Kramer-St. Michael Albertville-5’8 Guard
    Lauren Jensen-Lakeville North-5’9 Guard

    2021:
    Kendall Coley-St.Louis Park-6’1 Guard
    Sophie Hart-Farmington-6’4 Center
    Adalia McKenzie-Park Center- 5’10 Guard/Forward-(my guess for top MN kid for 2021)
    Jenna Johnson-Wayzata-6’2 Forward
    Tamia Ugass-Roseville-6’3 Post
    Ellie Dague-Henning-5’9 Guard

    2022:

    Maya Nnaji-Hopkins-6’3 Forward -(my guess for top MN kid for 2022)
    Mallory Heyer-Chaska-6’2 Forward
    Amaya Battle-Hopkins-Hopkins-5’10 Guard

    unsure if this is updated or if they have lost interest in any of these kids to date. also unsure if any of these kids have released a list that doesn't have gophers on it. for 2020 this is the known list of out of state offers:

    Treasure Thompson, 6-3 C, Bolingbrook HS (IL) ESPN Ranked #44
    Destiny Salary, 5-10 G, Jonesboro HS (AR)
    Sasha Goforth, 6-1 SG, Fayetteville HS (AR) ESPN Ranked #21
    Angela Dugalic, 6-3 W, Maine West HS, (IL) ESPN Ranked #33
    Leilani Kapinus, 5-10 G, Madison Memorial HS (WI) ESPN Ranked #9
    Shelby Calhoun, 5’11 G, Christian Academy of Louisville (KY) ESPN Ranked #29
    Ra’Shaya Kyle, 6’6 Forward, Marion HS (IN) ESPN ranked #39
    Halle Douglass, 6’1 W, Lake Forest HS (IL)
    Lauren Ware, 6’3 PF, Century HS (ND) ESPN ranked #38

    My guess is the class of 2020 (even without bueckers) is the class that the staff is looking at making the biggest splash with.
    Sounds like some good candidates, and sounds like Lindsay and assistants are doing a good job recruiting thus far. But I'm intrigued by a potential problem of "what if Lindsay has too much success recruiting?" It's the problem that, you have to over-offer since not all are going to accept, but what if more accept than you expected? In that case do you have to "un-offer" a player and say "oops, my bad, the math didn't work out the way I thought it would." It seems like a better problem to have than "nobody accepts," yet it does seem like a tricky potential problem. As shown below, the critical years are 2021 and 2022.

    To simplify things, let's assume that Hubbard get's healthy in time to play later this season and thus does not red-shirt this year. Let's also (optimistically) assume that all players offered, accept and matriculate.

    We start out now with 12 (out of 15 max) players. In 2019 we graduate 4 {Bell, Kaposi, Lamke, Perez} and bring in 5 class-of-2019 players already signed, making 13 players total.

    Then in 2020 we graduate 4 {K. Bello, T. Bello, Brunson, Hubbard} and bring in 4 class-of-2020 players {Paige Bueckers, Alyssa Ustby, McKenzie Kramer, Lauren Jensen}, still making 13 players total. Note well that as long as this is a hypothetical scenario anyway, I'm optimistically assuming that Paige will accept and become a Gopher (as well she should, I might add).

    Then in 2021 we graduate 1 {Pitts} and bring in potentially as many as 6 class-of-2021 players {Kendall Coley, Sophie Hart, Adalia McKenzie, Jenna Johnson, Tamia Ugass, Ellie Dague}. Here's where we get the first "it does not compute." If all 6 offered players do accept, then we get 13 minus 1 plus 6 = 18 players total. We're short scholarships for 3 of them.

    So are we essentially assuming that 3 of the 6 do not accept? That would make the math work out fine. But what if all 6 accept? Furthermore, what if Paige's buddy Azzi Fudd wants to come to Minnesota to play with her? Surely we would have an offer for her, right? Nope. That would make us short 4 scholarships (or short 1 if only 3 out of 6 accept). Don't we need to reserve one of these spots for Azzi - I mean, just in case?

    If you've already offered someone, and they accept, but you then don't have a scholarship for them, what happens? Do you have to un-offer them? Is all fair in love and war and recruiting? There could be potential down-side consequences to Lindsay Whalen's own high-level of recruiting success!

    So let's assume that one way or another we only accept 3 players from class of 2021. Then in 2022 we graduate 3 {Byrne, Staples, Tomancova} and since we were at 15, we have room to offer only 3 scholarships. In the 2022 list given above, there are 3 listed up-top that seemingly we are the most interested in {Maya Nnaji, Mallory Heyer, Amaya Battle}. But then below that there is a list of 9 more that we maybe are interested in.

    Well obviously we can't offer and accept all dozen of them. We only have room for 3. So I'd say we need to get our priorities straight for 2022, lest we have to un-offer a bunch of players who have already accepted (with the only other alternative seemingly being to fire the rest of the team just to make room for the dozen freshman we made an offer to, and that they accepted).

    So, I know you have to over-offer. There's such competition for the best players that they receive multiple offers, and just by the laws of probability only a fraction are going to accept a Minnesota offer, and same elswwhere. But one can never know in advance what percentage will accept an offer. So how do you plan in the face of such chaos? Do you need to mathematically predict in advance the fraction you think will accept, so that you can then compute the optimal over-offer factor? It seems like a puzzling problem. Did Lindsay realize that she needed a PhD in Statistics when she accepted the coaching job?
    Last edited by CutDownTheNet; 11-25-2018 at 05:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CutDownTheNet View Post

    So, I know you have to over-offer. There's such competition for the best players that they receive multiple offers, and just by the laws of probability only a fraction are going to accept a Minnesota offer, and same elswwhere. But one can never know in advance what percentage will accept an offer. So how do you plan in the face of such chaos? Do you need to mathematically predict in advance the fraction you think will accept, so that you can then compute the optimal over-offer factor? It seems like a puzzling problem. Did Lindsay realize that she needed a PhD in Statistics when she accepted the coaching job?
    Jeff Walz at Louisville seems to offer anybody who's anybody. He sometimes solves over acceptance problems by getting players to leave the program. Of course you can withdraw offers from lessor players, the old " you should have committed earlier", response.

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    CutDownTheNet, you might be overanalyzing a bit. Players who are offered are well aware of the "you snooze, you could lose" approach they could encounter if they hesitate to commit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripledouble View Post
    CutDownTheNet, you might be overanalyzing a bit. Players who are offered are well aware of the "you snooze, you could lose" approach they could encounter if they hesitate to commit.
    Even if this doomsday scenario were to materialize (which is pretty far-fetched) you wouldn't have trouble finding a player on the team to give up their scholarship to have Paige Bueckers on the roster.

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    oh my bad. I was under the impression gophers were high on her, thank you for correcting. Was I correct with the rest of the list of who has offers?

    Quote Originally Posted by FiveOut View Post
    Ugass has not been offered

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    Quote Originally Posted by bball_craz_26 View Post
    2022:
    Maya Nnaji-Hopkins-6’3 Forward -(my guess for top MN kid for 2022)
    Her brother Zeke just announced his commitment a couple of days ago.
    https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video...0U7B2QJ-o8.mp4

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    Quote Originally Posted by bball_craz_26 View Post
    oh my bad. I was under the impression gophers were high on her, thank you for correcting. Was I correct with the rest of the list of who has offers?
    I think the rest of your list is spot on. I’m not 100 percent sure if Dague has a formal offer because she was hurt all summer. If not she will no doubt get one. Ugass is on the wait and see list for a number of programs including Nebraska and Wisconsin. At this point it would have to be Ware that is the highest priority big.

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    Can you differentiate which were Stollings offers and which were Whalen’s?
    Probably doesn’t make a big difference but it wouldn’t be right to act like this list is all Whalen.
    It’s probably the other whay around.

    It's quite amazing what Lindsay Whalen's name can do to recruiting attention.

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    Wolfson said the Gophers offered to a Hopkins eigth grader. Would that be the class of 2023.
    I hope they offered Fudd. Hasn’t everybody?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shades View Post
    Wolfson said the Gophers offered to a Hopkins eigth grader. Would that be the class of 2023.
    I hope they offered Fudd. Hasn’t everybody?
    Hopkins has a pair of 2023s that are high D1 prospects: Taylor Woodson and Nunu Agara. Woodson played a ton of minutes over the weekend and looked very good. Nunu is strictly JV at the moment but that will change soon I would expect. By this time next year Nunu will have a mailbox full of offers.

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    Bueckers, Kramer, Battle and I believe Jensen were all offered by Stollings if memory serves. The rest of the Minnesota kids were offered by Whalen.

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