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And our Defensive Coordinator really probably is staying onboard, as Schiano reportedly is staying with the Buckeyes.
 

I am worried about how are they going to maintain consistency in both offensive and defensive schemes with coaching change upheavals moving forward.

Don't know which Defense PJF eschews 3-4 or 4-3 https://www.muthead.com/forums/madden/mut-discussion/972757-i-explain-which-is-better-3-4-or-4-3

Maybe PJ Fleck will maintain a base offense and defense, but each assistant coach put their own wrinkles without doing major overhauls. It will be good for the players to to know how to make adjustments without wholesale departures to totally new schemes every couple of years.
 

hungan1 said:
I am worried about how are they going to maintain consistency in both offensive and defensive schemes with coaching change upheavals moving forward.

Don't know which Defense PJF eschews 3-4 or 4-3 https://www.muthead.com/forums/madden/mut-discussion/972757-i-explain-which-is-better-3-4-or-4-3

Maybe PJ Fleck will maintain a base offense and defense, but each assistant coach put their own wrinkles without doing major overhauls. It will be good for the players to to know how to make adjustments without wholesale departures to totally new schemes every couple of years.
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They aren't losing their OC or DC. So I don't think the players will have to adjust much at all. I doubt position coaches decide much as far as schemes.
 



hungan1 said:
I am worried about how are they going to maintain consistency in both offensive and defensive schemes with coaching change upheavals moving forward.

Don't know which Defense PJF eschews 3-4 or 4-3 https://www.muthead.com/forums/madden/mut-discussion/972757-i-explain-which-is-better-3-4-or-4-3

Maybe PJ Fleck will maintain a base offense and defense, but each assistant coach put their own wrinkles without doing major overhauls. It will be good for the players to to know how to make adjustments without wholesale departures to totally new schemes every couple of years.
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The loss of the three coaches and their coaching ability is one thing. But the biggest deficit is in recruiting. We lost our three best recruiters. Our three guys with some swagger. Replacing that to lure recruits is my concern. PJ recruited in December, January and February on 2019. So far we have 3 lower rated verbals for a guy who likes to start fast and furious. Our average rating for the 3 guys is far below the average for all 26.
Well aware we have 22, 23 slots to bring the average up, but who other than PJ has any cachet?
 

60's Guy said:
The loss of the three coaches and their coaching ability is one thing. But the biggest deficit is in recruiting. We lost our three best recruiters. Our three guys with some swagger. Replacing that to lure recruits is my concern. PJ recruited in December, January and February on 2019. So far we have 3 lower rated verbals for a guy who likes to start fast and furious. Our average rating for the 3 guys is far below the average for all 26.
Well aware we have 22, 23 slots to bring the average up, but who other than PJ has any cachet?
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Want to bet on where we will finish 2019?


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Want to bet on where we will finish 2019?


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I'll bet we finish lower in 2019 than we end up in 2018. Presently we are #37 likely on our way to #38. I don't think we will end up any where 1 thru 38 in 2019. What are your thoughts? I enjoy your opinions, dpo's and johnny boy's
insights too. So, I'd hate to see you ban yourself.
 

60's Guy said:
I'll bet we finish lower in 2019 than we end up in 2018. Presently we are #37 likely on our way to #38. I don't think we will end up any where 1 thru 38 in 2019. What are your thoughts? I enjoy your opinions, dpo's and johnny boy's
insights too. So, I'd hate to see you ban yourself.
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Just playing based on the now famous bet - no interest in betting or banning myself. Not really interested in rankings either. I think how good of players we get will be directly related to how well we do on the field and how many times PJ pushes out the timetable to when we will be comin'.


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As someone has mentioned last year, a ranking closer to 40 than 30 is where the Gophers are going to end the 2018 Recruiting.
 

60's Guy said:
The loss of the three coaches and their coaching ability is one thing. But the biggest deficit is in recruiting. We lost our three best recruiters. Our three guys with some swagger. Replacing that to lure recruits is my concern. PJ recruited in December, January and February on 2019. So far we have 3 lower rated verbals for a guy who likes to start fast and furious. Our average rating for the 3 guys is far below the average for all 26.
Well aware we have 22, 23 slots to bring the average up, but who other than PJ has any cachet?
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If Williamson and Kramer are as good as advertised, the Gophers are certainly hot on their trail. You never know.

They may end up being rated higher than where they are now. The important thing is are they going to end up being major contributors and consummate self-less team players.

I know nothing about Weeks the LS. He is considered the No. 1 ranked LS. It is not often you offer a scholie to a specialist unless they are really someone special. The Gophers did that with Grant Ryerse from East Ridge.
 

Spoofin said:
Just playing based on the now famous bet - no interest in betting or banning myself. Not really interested in rankings either. I think how good of players we get will be directly related to how well we do on the field and how many times PJ pushes out the timetable to when we will be comin'.


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Yup, even if we get some nice verbals...I would think after year zero and 5 wins we have to win at least 6 games this year or be very competitive versus Big Ten opponents to generate the necessary closing buzz to keep or attract guys with multiple offers. Maybe not? People seem to like to listen to PJ.
 

No doubt, we hope to see six wins or better this coming season. Keep the recruiting momentum on a positive trajectory.
 



60's Guy said:
The loss of the three coaches and their coaching ability is one thing. But the biggest deficit is in recruiting. We lost our three best recruiters. Our three guys with some swagger. Replacing that to lure recruits is my concern. PJ recruited in December, January and February on 2019. So far we have 3 lower rated verbals for a guy who likes to start fast and furious. Our average rating for the 3 guys is far below the average for all 26.
Well aware we have 22, 23 slots to bring the average up, but who other than PJ has any cachet?
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Fleck is our best recruiter. The recruiting prowess of those 3 position coaches is greatly exaggerated, no one was praising them for their recruiting abilities when they arrived here. Just cause they're listed as the lead recruiter on some of the guys we got doesn't really mean much, I highly doubt Bateman for example committed because of his relationship with our DB coach. Fleck did great recruiting at WMU without those three, he will continue to do so without them. Why are you pushing the panic button on recruiting? We didn't have a bunch of guys committed at this point last year, Fleck was still finalizing his first class.
 

hungan1 said:
I am worried about how are they going to maintain consistency in both offensive and defensive schemes with coaching change upheavals moving forward.

Don't know which Defense PJF eschews 3-4 or 4-3 https://www.muthead.com/forums/madden/mut-discussion/972757-i-explain-which-is-better-3-4-or-4-3

Maybe PJ Fleck will maintain a base offense and defense, but each assistant coach put their own wrinkles without doing major overhauls. It will be good for the players to to know how to make adjustments without wholesale departures to totally new schemes every couple of years.
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We will probably fall apart because of coaching changes...just like the Patriots have done this century.
 

btowngopher said:
Fleck is our best recruiter. The recruiting prowess of those 3 position coaches is greatly exaggerated, no one was praising them for their recruiting abilities when they arrived here. Just cause they're listed as the lead recruiter on some of the guys we got doesn't really mean much, I highly doubt Bateman for example committed because of his relationship with our DB coach. Fleck did great recruiting at WMU without those three, he will continue to do so without them. Why are you pushing the panic button on recruiting? We didn't have a bunch of guys committed at this point last year, Fleck was still finalizing his first class.
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I don't think you would find anybody to argue that PJ was and is our best recruiter. I'll disagree on the reputation or reality of the abilities on the three coaches who moved on.

Time will tell. We have 5 recruits from Florida in this class, 5 from Georgia, and 4 from Ohio. That's 14 guys. Pretty much all are among our higher rated. We will see in December if there was any reason for concern in these recruiting areas.

As for PJ at WMU He was #71 in 2014 avg rating 80.51
#76 in 2015 avg rating 80.51
#67 in 2016 avg rating 81.68
all three of those classes had 27 guys to boost the rankings
Personally, I would not consider that great recruiting.

I'm not expressing panic. I am expressing concern. We were front runners last year. I know it is early but PJ is the one placing the emphasis. I'm only listening to his words of all December, January and February to recruit the 2019's this year...I couldn't do that last year. Several schools have 5 to 8 guys committed and most of them are rated 85 to 95...ours are not. That's all. Go PJ!
 

60's Guy said:
I don't think you would find anybody to argue that PJ was and is our best recruiter. I'll disagree on the reputation or reality of the abilities on the three coaches who moved on.

Time will tell. We have 5 recruits from Florida in this class, 5 from Georgia, and 4 from Ohio. That's 14 guys. Pretty much all are among our higher rated. We will see in December if there was any reason for concern in these recruiting areas.

As for PJ at WMU He was #71 in 2014 avg rating 80.51
#76 in 2015 avg rating 80.51
#67 in 2016 avg rating 81.68
all three of those classes had 27 guys to boost the rankings
Personally, I would not consider that great recruiting.

I'm not expressing panic. I am expressing concern. We were front runners last year. I know it is early but PJ is the one placing the emphasis. I'm only listening to his words of all December, January and February to recruit the 2019's this year...I couldn't do that last year. Several schools have 5 to 8 guys committed and most of them are rated 85 to 95...ours are not. That's all. Go PJ!
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It was great by WMU and MAC standards. I liked the coaches that left, but I think Callahan proved his worth as o-line coach for Fleck at WMU, so I think he's a good replacement for the Ed Warriner's big shoes. I think Addae's resume is pretty similar to Linguist's, both young former safeties, I think he should be able to reach kids in a similar manner. And West also had a short stint in the NFL and has much more coaching experience than Paup. West is a young guy with a nice track record.
 

hungan1 said:
I am worried about how are they going to maintain consistency in both offensive and defensive schemes with coaching change upheavals moving forward.

Don't know which Defense PJF eschews 3-4 or 4-3 https://www.muthead.com/forums/madden/mut-discussion/972757-i-explain-which-is-better-3-4-or-4-3

Maybe PJ Fleck will maintain a base offense and defense, but each assistant coach put their own wrinkles without doing major overhauls. It will be good for the players to to know how to make adjustments without wholesale departures to totally new schemes every couple of years.
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Like a prior poster stated they have the same OC and DC.

Also, the prior staff had decided to switch to a 3-4 and thus didn’t have very many D lineman. PJ’s staff has stated they want to ultimately use a 4-3, but had to play LB’s on the end to full in personal gaps. That is why they recruited more DL’s.


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60's Guy said:
I don't think you would find anybody to argue that PJ was and is our best recruiter. I'll disagree on the reputation or reality of the abilities on the three coaches who moved on.

Time will tell. We have 5 recruits from Florida in this class, 5 from Georgia, and 4 from Ohio. That's 14 guys. Pretty much all are among our higher rated. We will see in December if there was any reason for concern in these recruiting areas.

As for PJ at WMU He was #71 in 2014 avg rating 80.51
#76 in 2015 avg rating 80.51
#67 in 2016 avg rating 81.68
all three of those classes had 27 guys to boost the rankings
Personally, I would not consider that great recruiting.

I'm not expressing panic. I am expressing concern. We were front runners last year. I know it is early but PJ is the one placing the emphasis. I'm only listening to his words of all December, January and February to recruit the 2019's this year...I couldn't do that last year. Several schools have 5 to 8 guys committed and most of them are rated 85 to 95...ours are not. That's all. Go PJ!
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I am glad you are not panicking, but at least get a grasp of reality! Of course his classes at WMU were not great in comparison to all D1 schools. WMU is in the fricking MAC! Take away the 60-70 schools in the P5 conferences and his rankings were not too bad.


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alchemy2u said:
I am glad you are not panicking, but at least get a grasp of reality! Of course his classes at WMU were not great in comparison to all D1 schools. WMU is in the fricking MAC! Take away the 60-70 schools in the P5 conferences and his rankings were not too bad.


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The hype, the promise, the reason PJ was hired is for higher rated recruiting classes at MN. "Not too bad" isn't worth 3 million dollars a year. We are competing for national championships. He said it, I didn't.
2015 #74 Miami Ohio, #75 Marshall, #76 WMU #77 Memphis, #78 Louisiana LaFayette is not exactly crushing your peers. 2016 Marshall is #51 and Memphis is #61.

#37 or 38 is fine with me in year zero. I'd like it improve in his third, second or first class for 2019...however you prefer to number it. I'd be happy with another Top 40 class in 2019. At some point they need to be higher than that. I think we need to win some games to do that. However, I think PJ and Mark Coyle referred to 2018 as a class much higher than what it was or is. They think we should be recruiting Top 30 classes. Will we? That's all I'm curious about. I'm not saying he can't recruit a Top 30 class, just looking for signs to suggest he will and so far I'm not seeing it.

The Patriots, the Alabama, comparisons have no relevancy to the Gophers. PJ is building a new culture. The Patriots and Bama have established their traditions and culture. We are Minnesota. We are searching for an identity. We need to qualify for a bowl game. That would be a beginning for PJ.

Regarding our three new coaches...how many Power 5 head coaches woke up to the news those fellas were off the market and were the least bit upset? How many had to check them off their list of candidates?
 

60's Guy said:
The hype, the promise, the reason PJ was hired is for higher rated recruiting classes at MN. "Not too bad" isn't worth 3 million dollars a year. We are competing for national championships. He said it, I didn't.
2015 #74 Miami Ohio, #75 Marshall, #76 WMU #77 Memphis, #78 Louisiana LaFayette is not exactly crushing your peers. 2016 Marshall is #51 and Memphis is #61.

#37 or 38 is fine with me in year zero. I'd like it improve in his third, second or first class for 2019...however you prefer to number it. I'd be happy with another Top 40 class in 2019. At some point they need to be higher than that. I think we need to win some games to do that. However, I think PJ and Mark Coyle referred to 2018 as a class much higher than what it was or is. They think we should be recruiting Top 30 classes. Will we? That's all I'm curious about. I'm not saying he can't recruit a Top 30 class, just looking for signs to suggest he will and so far I'm not seeing it.

The Patriots, the Alabama, comparisons have no relevancy to the Gophers. PJ is building a new culture. The Patriots and Bama have established their traditions and culture. We are Minnesota. We are searching for an identity. We need to qualify for a bowl game. That would be a beginning for PJ.

Regarding our three new coaches...how many Power 5 head coaches woke up to the news those fellas were off the market and were the least bit upset? How many had to check them off their list of candidates?
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Based on what? One class prior to the new facilities being finished? I'm perfectly fine with finishing near or at the top of the west in recruiting, and worry about winning the west first. Then we can start talking about finishing at the top of the B1G and winning nattys. All of that isn't going to happen in one year.
 

60's Guy said:
The hype, the promise, the reason PJ was hired is for higher rated recruiting classes at MN. "Not too bad" isn't worth 3 million dollars a year. We are competing for national championships. He said it, I didn't.
2015 #74 Miami Ohio, #75 Marshall, #76 WMU #77 Memphis, #78 Louisiana LaFayette is not exactly crushing your peers. 2016 Marshall is #51 and Memphis is #61.

#37 or 38 is fine with me in year zero. I'd like it improve in his third, second or first class for 2019...however you prefer to number it. I'd be happy with another Top 40 class in 2019. At some point they need to be higher than that. I think we need to win some games to do that. However, I think PJ and Mark Coyle referred to 2018 as a class much higher than what it was or is. They think we should be recruiting Top 30 classes. Will we? That's all I'm curious about. I'm not saying he can't recruit a Top 30 class, just looking for signs to suggest he will and so far I'm not seeing it.

The Patriots, the Alabama, comparisons have no relevancy to the Gophers. PJ is building a new culture. The Patriots and Bama have established their traditions and culture. We are Minnesota. We are searching for an identity. We need to qualify for a bowl game. That would be a beginning for PJ.

Regarding our three new coaches...how many Power 5 head coaches woke up to the news those fellas were off the market and were the least bit upset? How many had to check them off their list of candidates?
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Way to pick the one year that is sandwiched by years he had the best class in the MAC. I don't know why you are arguing his recruiting success at WMU. Do you know what typical recruiting looks like for WMU? As for the coaches, who knows what kind of offers they had? I dunno what offers Linguist and Paup had either. As for Warriner, sure we could go after a guy like that, but your odds of keeping him long term are low.
 

btowngopher said:
Way to pick the one year that is sandwiched by years he had the best class in the MAC. I don't know why you are arguing his recruiting success at WMU. Do you know what typical recruiting looks like for WMU? As for the coaches, who knows what kind of offers they had? I dunno what offers Linguist and Paup had either. As for Warriner, sure we could go after a guy like that, but your odds of keeping him long term are low.
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I'm arguing the point that PJ's history proves he doesn't need the 3 departed coaches to achieve amazing recruiting results. From my perspective the WMU classes were not great. What does a typical WMU class look like?
The same in 2018 with the new coach as it did when PJ was achieving "great" classes...WMU is #75 in 2018. Marshall #74 And In 2015 it was #75 Marshall and #76 WMU. So WMU moved up a spot. So, it seems to me that's a typical WMU class...somewhere high 60's mid 70's...what do you think it is?

Again, I'm just asking...without the 3 departed coaches will MN be back to high 40's-50's or will we establish a new normal of high 30's? You are convinced we will be high thirties, low thirties. I got it. I'm not convinced.
I am wishful it happens but see signs it may not.
 

60's Guy said:
I'm arguing the point that PJ's history proves he doesn't need the 3 departed coaches to achieve amazing recruiting results. From my perspective the WMU classes were not great. What does a typical WMU class look like?
The same in 2018 with the new coach as it did when PJ was achieving "great" classes...WMU is #75 in 2018. Marshall #74 And In 2015 it was #75 Marshall and #76 WMU. So WMU moved up a spot. So, it seems to me that's a typical WMU class...somewhere high 60's mid 70's...what do you think it is?

Again, I'm just asking...without the 3 departed coaches will MN be back to high 40's-50's or will we establish a new normal of high 30's? You are convinced we will be high thirties, low thirties. I got it. I'm not convinced.
I am wishful it happens but see signs it may not.
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Why do you keep looking at only 2015 and why do you keep comparing WMU to Marshall? Fleck's 2014 and 2016 classes were the best ever classes at WMU, 2016 is the only time WMU has finished in the 60's. I think his 2017 class would have been his best yet had he stayed there. If you don't want to call it amazing, that's fine, but by anyway you want to measure it, he was pretty successful on the recruiting front at WMU. I didn't think Fleck was hired to be this amazing recruiter like Brewster, but I do think he was expected to be better than Kill, and thus far he has been. I fully expect that to continue as long as the losses on the field don't pile up.
 

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