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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    Looks like this might happen tomorrow! MAGA
    And all this time you've claimed to be pro-liberty.

    Guess not.


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    Here is an article that seems to fairly address pros and cons:

    3 things stand out for me: 1. Porn is killing our youth and our men. If you care about the sexual harrassment and assault issues- this is a derivative of our sexed up, porn soaked society- Net Neutrality is porn friendly 2. Government control doesn't usually mean cost containment. It sure hasn't for cable and it sure never did in the telecom industry. Net Neutrality means more government control and I would guess that will mean less innovation and higher prices long run. 3. What the government can help you with- they can hurt you with.

    https://vittana.org/13-pros-and-cons-of-net-neutrality

    What Are the Pros of Net Neutrality?
    1. It creates an equal playing field.
    With net neutrality in place, internet service providers have little say on what passes through the mechanisms that are used by customers to access the internet. There are controls in place for illegal activities, but companies like Comcast or AT&T wouldn’t be able to change how a customer’s data is delivered to them. This means an ISP under net neutrality cannot block access, change services, or alter the flow of data simply because there is something that goes on which they don’t like.

    2. It protects innovation.
    Although there are companies which have made billions of dollars because of their access to the internet, they were able to get started on the same footing. Innovation is protected with the internet remains neutral. Big companies still have the same access as SMBs or freelancers and this allows everyone to earn a comfortable living or offer information in a way that best suits them.

    3. It provides everyone with a freedom of expression.
    Blogs, services, businesses, and any website that can operate legally is able to do so and be available because of net neutrality. There isn’t any censorship available as long as the content being offered meets legal obligations. If illegal content is discovered, it can be immediately reported to law enforcement officials. Without this freedom of expression, it could become easier for illegal content, such as child pornography, to become more available. If a small ISP blocked access to all and approved of such a thing, it could hamper keeping our communities safe.

    4. Illegal activities are still monitored.
    Questionable content can be found on the internet if you’re willing to look for it – and sometimes even when you’re not looking for it. The goal of net neutrality is to provide every person with an experience that is optimal. This means illegal activities are still prevented, including illegal file sharing, due to the fact that each ISP would be treated as a regulated common carrier.

    5. It would classify internet service providers as a utility provider.
    Public utilities have a role to play in our lives. They provide services that we use every day to maintain our quality of life. It could be argued that the internet is just as essential to that lifestyle as having water or sewer access. Utilities provide everyone with the services they need unless a customer refuses to pay for them. It doesn’t matter how good their credit happens to be, how much money they have, or what kind of business they run.



    What Are the Cons of Net Neutrality?
    1. Enormous amounts of data are cons
    umed without compensation.
    When the internet was first brought to the public, the idea of having a streaming service was unfathomable to many. In the 1990s, internet users had a good time being online in AOL chat rooms or waiting 20 minutes for a cool website to load. Today, there are real-time video calls. Companies like Netflix providing legal streaming. There is illegal streaming as well. These services are provided for free on the infrastructure of the internet service provider.

    2. Reduced income from internet uses limits infrastructure improvements.
    There are certain businesses and high-use individuals who consume large amounts of bandwidth every month. If net neutrality was removed, these high-level consumers would be asked to pay more for what they consume. This added income could then be used to upgrade the infrastructure of each internet service provider, making it possible for advanced fiber networks to be installed in many communities.

    3. Priorities could be assigned by the ISP.
    Let’s take Comcast as an example here. There are numerous online streaming services that offer live TV today: Hulu, PlayStation Vue, and Sling by Dish Network are just three examples. If a customer must choose Comcast as their ISP, then these streaming services could be given a lower priority because they are rival organizations. Comcast could choose to offer the highest speeds to the networks and services it owns and slow down the signals provided by the competition. This would effectively limit consumer choice.

    4. Questionable content thrives in net neutrality.
    Content that some may find to be offensive is readily available to anyone because of net neutrality. This includes items that may be critical of personal or religious beliefs, legal pornography, graphic videos, and items that are not suitable for children. There are tools that can help people and families block this content, but an argument could be made that net neutrality could “filter” it out before it reaches the consumer.

    5. Free internet access would likely go away.
    When the internet becomes a place where profitability is the primary concern, the idea of providing free internet access to those who cannot afford it goes away. Providers could charge whatever they wanted and restrict access to whomever they please. This could lead to demographic discrimination, socioeconomic discrimination, or prioritize content to the wealthiest who are willing to pay high prices for the fastest data streams.

    6. Charging companies more just means services will cost more.
    Some advocates of stopping net neutrality suggest that an ISP could charge a company who consumes or provides a lot of content more and this could lead to free access to certain sites. If Comcast were to charge Netflix more, it could provide access to Facebook to consumers without a contract. The only problem with this idea is that the companies will pass those charges along to their customers. If the cost of access doubles for Netflix, that monthly subscription plan would likely go from $9.99 to $19.98.

    7. More regulations would create slower access.
    Let’s use the US Government as an example here. When the government was originally created in the 18th century, the goal was to create an entity that was inefficient and slow. The founders of the US felt that the greatest danger to the people of their new country was having a government in place that could move too fast. By slowing everything down, people could protect themselves. If net neutrality is supervised by the government, this will be the result. Everything is equally slow.

    8. Public utilities have plenty of problems that many just overlook.
    Many utilities face a slowing consumer base, so they raise prices to compensate. That eventually means everyone pays more for the same service without any innovation.

    The pros and cons of net neutrality will continue to be debated, especially in terms of cost and access. When each key point is carefully considered and debated, together we can come up with a reasonable solution that will benefit all of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    Here is an article that seems to fairly address pros and cons:

    3 things stand out for me: 1. Porn is killing our youth and our men. If you care about the sexual harrassment and assault issues- this is a derivative of our sexed up, porn soaked society- Net Neutrality is porn friendly 2. Government control doesn't usually mean cost containment. It sure hasn't for cable and it sure never did in the telecom industry. Net Neutrality means more government control and I would guess that will mean less innovation and higher prices long run. 3. What the government can help you with- they can hurt you with.
    That's cute coming from a pedophile supporter. Maybe try appropriate parenting to teach your kids to reject porn. It's clear your kids are screwed because you are teaching them pedophilia is OK and something to be supported no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered User View Post
    They will also be able to restrict what sites you can visit.

    Let's say an ISP has a real problem with people reading the Qur'an because they feel it will radicalize you. But you were interested in simply learning more about the Qur'an so you go to read it online. You would be blocked from being able to access it. So you want to buy it online and have it shipped. They will also be able to block sites where you can purchase it.

    Or you are a telecommuter, but you work for a competitor of someone who paid off the ISP. They could throttle your network speed to a point that it no longer makes sense for you to work from home.

    It is a complete pile of ****, and there is literally ZERO reason to appeal net neutrality.
    Was a lot of these kinds of things happening before net neutrality went into place a few years ago? I don't remember it being a big issue back then but maybe things are different now days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GophersInIowa View Post
    Was a lot of these kinds of things happening before net neutrality went into place a few years ago? I don't remember it being a big issue back then but maybe things are different now days?
    Things have significantly changed in the last year. A few years ago is like ancient times for internet and streaming services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    Here is an article that seems to fairly address pros and cons:

    3 things stand out for me: 1. Porn is killing our youth and our men. If you care about the sexual harrassment and assault issues- this is a derivative of our sexed up, porn soaked society- Net Neutrality is porn friendly 2. Government control doesn't usually mean cost containment. It sure hasn't for cable and it sure never did in the telecom industry. Net Neutrality means more government control and I would guess that will mean less innovation and higher prices long run. 3. What the government can help you with- they can hurt you with.
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    1. Porn is a very profitable industry, and is legal. I don't think there would be any less porn without NN.
    2. Could be true. The root of this seems to be we have no choice on ISP, so there's no competition to be had. That is my number one reason for wanting to maintain NN (see PRO #5).
    3. Don't follow but sounds spooky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GophersInIowa View Post
    Was a lot of these kinds of things happening before net neutrality went into place a few years ago? I don't remember it being a big issue back then but maybe things are different now days?
    I don't know if this the the definitive source, but it's the first one I saw:

    Five major internet service providers in the US and one in Europe have been accused of abusing their market share to interfere with the flow of the internet for end users. The accusations come from Level 3, a communications company that helps connect large-scale ISPs like Comcast or AT&T to the rest of the internet. According to the company, these six unnamed ISPs are deliberately degrading the quality of internet services using the Level 3 network, in an attempt to get Level 3 to pay them a fee for additional traffic caused by services like Netflix, a process known as paid peering.


    "They are deliberately harming the service they deliver to their paying customers," writes Level 3's Mark Taylor. "They are not allowing us to fulfill the requests their customers make for content." While Taylor doesn't name names, he describes the six offenders as "large broadband consumer networks with a dominant or exclusive market share in their local market." He adds that "in countries or markets where consumers have multiple broadband choices (like the UK) there are no congested peers." He also says that Level 3 won't be paying up. "Our policy is to refuse to pay arbitrary charges to add interconnection capacity," he explains.



    https://www.theverge.com/2014/5/6/56...ttling-traffic
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    Despite purchasing transit on all available routes into Comcast’s network that did not require direct or indirect payment of an access fee to Comcast, the viewing quality of Netflix’s service reached near-VHS quality levels. Faced with such severe degradation of its streaming video service, Netflix began to negotiate for paid access to connect with Comcast. Netflix and Comcast eventually reached a paid agreement. Within a week of that agreement, viewing quality for Netflix streaming video on Comcast’s network shot back up to HD-quality levels. The following graph, comparing viewing quality on Comcast’s network with that of Cablevision (an Open Connect partner) demonstrates the rapid, massive improvement:

    [my note: Hulu is a wholly owned subsidiary of Comcast]

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    Quote Originally Posted by stocker08 View Post
    Internet providers would be able to sell bandwidth and restrict websites however they choose. Say that Netflix pays and Hulu doesn't.....the IP could cause your Hulu viewing to be slow and grainy. It's pretty much the opposite of the free market (that hypocrite2 always pimps) in the fact that the IPs will now be able to pick the winners and losers rather than the consumers.

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    Most importantly, Netflix will be able to squash any new competitors by telling internet providers (who they will probably soon merge with) to block or slow them.

    But there's a solution! Free markets! I can take my business elsewhere! Oh, except I only have one high speed internet provider available, as most people do. So actually, I can't. Oh well. MAGA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherJake View Post
    Yeah. Messing with the rules of the internet. It's been such a disappointment with the rules they've had in place. Let's make sure we improve it. Then we will finally unleash its potential, which has been sorely underutilized, due to the stifling environment currently in place.
    I could have said the same thing to you in 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyJamesMD View Post
    Thank you. So net neutrality is a good thing? What are the cons of it?
    Verizon and Comcast can't make as much $$$$$ as they would like. The big ISP's are literally the only ones who benefit from this repeal. Oh and politicians they donated big $$$$$$$ to. Of the many, many lies Trump has told, Drain the Swamp! is among the most laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bottlebass View Post
    It's one move closer to the censored dictatorship trump wants.
    LOL, less regulation is a dictatorship. Get serious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mplarson7 View Post
    And all this time you've claimed to be pro-liberty.

    Guess not.
    L O L!! You just get dumber by the minute. Repealing a government regulation is in your mind anti liberty. LOL Doc!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bottlebass View Post
    That's cute coming from a pedophile supporter. Maybe try appropriate parenting to teach your kids to reject porn. It's clear your kids are screwed because you are teaching them pedophilia is OK and something to be supported no matter what.
    My kids are grown up, great citizens, employed tax payers, charitable givers and not porn users. Best of luck to you- the Bill Clinton (pedophile and rapist) supporter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
    Verizon and Comcast can't make as much $$$$$ as they would like. The big ISP's are literally the only ones who benefit from this repeal. Oh and politicians they donated big $$$$$$$ to. Of the many, many lies Trump has told, Drain the Swamp! is among the most laughable.
    Go ahead and make a list of predictions for what will happen with this repeal. All progs, let's get it down in writing. And we'll see how you did.

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