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  1. #46

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    I think Trump is immoral. And the Miss USA was most disturbing to me. Otherwise your list is a bunch of consensual activities. Even the p grabbing which sent everyone into a rage was preceded by "they let you".
    Still not anywhere near Harvey. You can bet all you want.
    Come on, you are smarter than this. You really think, "they let you" was 100% correct? More like..."I didn't know what to do" or "I was so shocked it happened...". It is o.k. to think that was disturbing.
    Aloha Mr. Hand


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    Quote Originally Posted by tikited View Post
    Come on, you are smarter than this. You really think, "they let you" was 100% correct? More like..."I didn't know what to do" or "I was so shocked it happened...". It is o.k. to think that was disturbing.
    Celebrity is a weird thing. Women will do things with celebrities they'd never do for your average even really good looking guy. Can a celeb walk up to them and start making out with them and they are ok with it without even saying a word? I'm absolutely sure that's true. Everyone in all cases? No.

    Nobody alleged Trump grabbed them there. He said they let you do anything when you're a celebrity, and he's probably right in a lot of cases. It's true. Since we're only going off his words, nothing he described was a crime. Doesn't mean it isn't disgusting or immoral, that's for the individual to decide.

  3. #48

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post

    Juanita Broaddrick
    In a 1999 episode of Dateline NBC, former Bill Clinton volunteer Juanita Broaddrick alleged that, in the late 1970s, Clinton raped her in her hotel room. According to Broaddrick, she agreed to meet with Clinton for coffee in the lobby of her hotel, but Clinton asked if they could go to her room to avoid a crowd of reporters; she agreed. Once Clinton had isolated her in her hotel room, Broaddrick states that he raped her. Broaddrick stated Clinton injured her lip by biting it during the assault.[1][2] In 1999, Clinton denied Broaddrick's allegations through his lawyer.
    Supporters of Clinton have questioned her account by noting that Broaddrick continued to support Clinton, and appear at public events on his behalf, weeks after the alleged rape, along with the fact that Broaddrick stated that she couldn't remember the exact date the alleged incident occurred.[3] In addition, Broaddrick had once signed a deposition, under oath, stating that no sexual contact had occurred with Bill Clinton; although she subsequently stated that she had made this claim because "I didn't want to be forced to testify about the most horrific event of my life."[4][5] In 1999, Slate magazine published an inconclusive piece on whether Broaddrick was telling the truth.[6] She was then subpoenaed but denied under oath that Clinton had raped her, in order, she later said[by whom?], to protect her privacy, her husband and her horse-farm business. During the Clinton impeachment proceedings, Broaddrick changed course and publicly alleged the President had raped her to ABC news. She stated that in 1978 that she revealed the alleged assault to five intimates, and that they advised her not to cause trouble for herself by going public.
    Broaddrick's allegations resurfaced in the 2016 presidential campaign. In various media interviews, Broaddrick stated that Clinton raped her and that Hillary Clinton knew about it, and tried to threaten Broaddrick into remaining silent. She said that she started giving some interviews in 2015 because Hillary Clinton's statement that victims of sexual assault should be believed angered her.[7] In 2016, she spoke out, together with Clinton's two other accusers (Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey). They also criticized Hillary Clinton for enabling her husband's alleged abuse.
    Paula Jones
    According to Paula Jones' account, on May 8, 1991, she was escorted to Clinton's hotel room in Little Rock, Arkansas[8] where he propositioned and exposed himself to her. She claimed she kept quiet about the incident until 1994, when a David Brock story in the American Spectator magazine printed an account. In any case, in 1994, Jones filed a federal lawsuit against Clinton, alleging sexual harassment. In the discovery stage of the suit, Jones's lawyers had the opportunity to question Clinton under oath about his sexual history; in the course of this testimony, Clinton denied having had a sexual affair with Monica Lewinsky, a denial that (once his affair with Lewinsky was exposed) would lead to his impeachment for perjury and obstruction of justice.[9]
    Several witnesses disputed Jones's account, including her sister and brother-in-law. These witnesses contended that she had described her encounter with Clinton as "happy" and "gentle." In addition, Jones had claimed to friends that Clinton had a particular deformity on his penis, a claim that was revealed to be false by investigators.[10]
    In April 1998, the case was dismissed by Republican Judge Susan Webber Wright as lacking legal merit.[11] But Jones appealed Webber Wright's ruling, and her suit gained traction following Clinton's admission to having an affair with Monica Lewinsky in August 1998.[12] (This admission indicated that Clinton may have lied under oath when he testified, in the Jones case, that he had never had a sexual relationship with Lewinsky.)
    On appeal, in the midst of his trial for impeachment based on his testimony in the Jones case, Clinton was faced with the prospect of having to go under oath again and testify more about his sexual history. Instead, Clinton agreed to an out-of-court settlement, paying Jones and her lawyers $850,000 to drop the suit; a substantial amount of this money was used to pay Jones's legal fees.[13] Clinton's lawyer said that the President made the settlement only so he could end the lawsuit for good and move on with his life.[14]
    In 2016, she spoke out, together with Clinton's two other accusers (Juanita Broaddrick and Kathleen Willey). They also criticized Hillary Clinton for enabling her husband's alleged abuse.
    Kathleen Willey
    In 1998, Kathleen Willey alleged Clinton groped her without consent in the White House Oval Office in 1993.[15] Kenneth Starr granted her immunity for her testimony in his separate inquiry.[16][17]
    Linda Tripp, the Clinton Administration staffer who secretly taped her phone conversations with Monica Lewinsky in order to expose the latter's affair with the President, testified under oath that Willey's sexual contact with President Clinton in 1993 was consensual, that Willey had been flirting with the President, and that Willey was happy and excited following her 1993 encounter with Clinton.[18] Six other friends of Willey confirmed Tripp's account, that Willey had sought a sexual relationship with the President.[19] Ken Starr, who had deposed Willey in the course of investigating the sexual history of President Clinton, determined that she had lied under oath repeatedly to his investigators. Starr and his team therefore concluded that there was insufficient evidence to pursue her allegations further. In 2007 Willey published a book about her experiences with the Clintons.[20]
    In 2016, she spoke out, together with Clinton's two other accusers (Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick), in favor of Donald Trump's campaign. The women defended Trump against his own allegations of sexual misconduct, which arose from leaked audio recordings in which he is alleged to have condoned sexual assault. They also criticized Hillary Clinton for enabling her husband's alleged abuse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_C...ct_allegations
    I was referring to Monica Lewinsky; Iím a Bill Clinton guy but Iím uncomfortable pretending like I know what happened between him and those other women (i.e. Iím not going to assume heís innocent.)


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  4. #49

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    Celebrity is a weird thing. Women will do things with celebrities they'd never do for your average even really good looking guy. Can a celeb walk up to them and start making out with them and they are ok with it without even saying a word? I'm absolutely sure that's true. Everyone in all cases? No.

    Nobody alleged Trump grabbed them there. He said they let you do anything when you're a celebrity, and he's probably right in a lot of cases. It's true. Since we're only going off his words, nothing he described was a crime. Doesn't mean it isn't disgusting or immoral, that's for the individual to decide.
    Thatís fair.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tikited View Post
    Come on, you are smarter than this. You really think, "they let you" was 100% correct? More like..."I didn't know what to do" or "I was so shocked it happened...". It is o.k. to think that was disturbing.
    Thatís fair.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post

    Nobody alleged Trump grabbed them there. He said they let you do anything when you're a celebrity, and he's probably right in a lot of cases. It's true. Since we're only going off his words, nothing he described was a crime. Doesn't mean it isn't disgusting or immoral, that's for the individual to decide.
    Right or wrong, assault vs "making a move" is a pretty thin line. I'm sure celebrities have a good success rate at going up to a woman they desire and touching them very inappropriately and the women is okay with it. But they better hope the woman is into it, otherwise they could call the cops and the celebrity would get an assault charge. If Trump was a serial P grabber, I would have to think some women would have spoken out by now

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyJamesMD View Post
    Right or wrong, assault vs "making a move" is a pretty thin line. I'm sure celebrities have a good success rate at going up to a woman they desire and touching them very inappropriately and the women is okay with it. But they better hope the woman is into it, otherwise they could call the cops and the celebrity would get an assault charge. If Trump was a serial P grabber, I would have to think some women would have spoken out by now
    correct. "i'm sure he's done XYZ" doesn't sell to me when every reporter is dying to find a story to help the resistance. If it's out there, we've probably heard of it.

  8. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    correct. "i'm sure he's done XYZ" doesn't sell to me when every reporter is dying to find a story to help the resistance. If it's out there, we've probably heard of it.
    There is a dedicated wiki page about "it", you gigantic twat.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald...ct_allegations
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    I don't think I've ever read anything on gopher hole more spot on than these sentences. Ever.

  9. #54

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportsfan24 View Post
    I was referring to Monica Lewinsky; I’m a Bill Clinton guy but I’m uncomfortable pretending like I know what happened between him and those other women (i.e. I’m not going to assume he’s innocent.)


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    I know who you were referring to. I was just making you aware of what the other poster was referring to. These are some pretty credible rape/sexual harrassment allegations. Also, the Lewinsky incident is the POTUS in the WH with a 21 year old intern- I'd say that's predatory behavior. But hey, you are probably a Jimmy Kimmel and Ben Affleck guy too.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered User View Post
    There is a dedicated wiki page about "it", you gigantic twat.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald...ct_allegations
    Hmmmm, every case on that list came out during the campaign, except for issues with Ivana, which came our during divorce proceedings. Just something to think about.......

  11. #56

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    I know who you were referring to. I was just making you aware of what the other poster was referring to. These are some pretty credible rape/sexual harrassment allegations. Also, the Lewinsky incident is the POTUS in the WH with a 21 year old intern- I'd say that's predatory behavior. But hey, you are probably a Jimmy Kimmel and Ben Affleck guy too.........
    She was 23 and a veteran of relationships with married men (high school teacher after she graduated.)

    Facts matter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportsfan24 View Post
    She was 23 and a veteran of relationships with married men (high school teacher after she graduated.)

    Facts matter.


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    I did not know this. Interesting. So its like her and Bill were a match made in heaven?

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    I wonder what Weinstein's success rate was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered User View Post
    There is a dedicated wiki page about "it", you gigantic twat.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald...ct_allegations
    Right. Those are known and disturbing. And not in the ballpark of Weinstein.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyJamesMD View Post
    I did not know this. Interesting. So its like her and Bill were a match made in heaven?
    Her, Bill and anyone else who cheats on their spouse.


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