Perspective and Fleck's plan moving forward

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60's Guy said:
Very nice...that's theory. The results are the results.
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So your calling Rivals posted calculation a theory? Why don't you try doing some math?

Louisville had two more 4*s and three more 3*s than the Gophers.
WV had one more 4* and three more 3*s.
Oregon St had one more 4* and four more 3*s
BYU had three more 4*s but four less 3*s. Still enough to get them 2 spots higher.

These are the reasons why those teams were ranked higher than the Gophers. It's not theory. smh
 

EG#9 said:
People have such short memories..
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Some do. It's surprising the number of people who think that Rhoda walked on last year isn't it? ;) And the only thing that Brewster and Fleck really have in common is they went 1-11 in their very first year as a Head Coach.

Brewster's 1-11 followed Mason's 6-7 season. Mason had said they were about to hit a major rebuilding season. Mason's Gopher went 10-3, 7-5, 7-5 and 6-7 in his previous 4 years. In other words he had gone from 10-3 down to 6-7.

Kill followed Brewster's 1-6 (2-3 under Horton) season. Before that Brewster had gone 1-11, 7-6, 6-7. Changing Offensive schemes at least 3 times. Tim had gone from 1-11 to 1-6.

Kill's seasons were in consecutive order 3-9, 6-7, 8-5, 8-5 and officially 4-3.

Claeys finished that 2015 season by going 2-4, then went 9-4 last year.

P.J is following 4 seasons of 9-4, 6-7, 8-5 and 8-5. At WMU he followed Bill Cubit's seasons of 6-6, 7-6, 4-8 before Fleck his 1-11 season.

Transition seasons have been from 6-7 to 1-11; 3-9 to 3-9 and 6-7 to 9-4. Nobody should have expected them to not win a game in the Big ten season of 2017.

Didn't think they'd win 9 games this year, but wasn't a hater. Didn't believe that P.J. and Company could only coach hand-picked players. That looks like a solid staff. Fleck's strengths were on the Offensive side of the ball, and from what I'd read, in game day decisions. Those certainly weren't strengths of Claey's staff.

Against the Terps, the players looked woefully unprepared for what Maryland was running. They didn't come out "flat" they were just very confused. Against Purdue? There were some adjustments made, but that scheme on Offense was...well we saw the game at a Sportsbook. Nobody was talking about the great job that coaching staff was doing.

They've got a lot of players hurt, their talent level is thin and 2-3 of their best players aren't playing. Whether that is very solid reasons or just to show there is a new sheriff in town who knows. I'd go with the first.

Don't know if anybody on here has season tickets anymore. Do know that if they lose the rest of the games this year and that Holiday Bowl Trophy is the only one in the case, 22,000 season tickets sold next year will be just a dream.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
I look at the average per recruit. We have 23 commits and an average of 84.91. Some schools have fewer commits and an average close to ours. Top recruits are going to go to teams already at the top. Most other schools will get guys that will not raise their average. I don't see us moving up or down much from where we are at this point.

I'm a novice at this recruiting stuff.
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I expect at least 10 teams to pass the Gophs as we close in on NSD. Still will be very happy with a recruiting class in the 40s.
 




hello-world said:
We can compete right now.
MSU is a winnable game, Fleck needs to get our guys on the field and ready to go, these guys are going to look right past us.
Fleck can win this game.
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Remember, last year's 9 win team started 3-2. Go Gophers!

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A question for all of you who think it is going to take until '19 or '20 to get back to and or surpass the Kill/Claeys level.
If you were a Soph., Jr or Sr. on this current team, would you be all in, knowing that your coach isn't trying to win games while you are there?
 

hello-world said:
RUTM is not a scheme or a play. Literally if all you're comparing is where our running back tries to run then I can see why none of you are freaking out the way I am about our offense.
That's fine, but don't get pissy at me for saying that our entire scheme sucks.

Just a point from yesterday, on Shannon Brooks' long run, we pulled a tight end across the middle to pick up their DE on the far side. We hadn't pulled a tight end all season and the first time we did, we broke a 26 yard run right up the middle. Great, I was happy.

THEN instead of putting that formation in and doing something different, they run the EXACT SAME ****ING PLAY with goddamn Rodney Smith, the linebacker jumps the hole and we get stuffed for a one yard gain.

That's mother****ing infuriating. I haven't played football in 7 years and I would have known to find that gap. Our D1 college coaches don't think that their linebackers could figure that out after getting burned by it the first time?
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Why wouldn't you go back and run the same play again at some point in the game? If you run a successful play, you most definitely should run it again to see if the other team has made an adjustment to stop it. If they haven't then you dang well better keep running that play during the game until they do stop it.
I agree that you should also have complimentary plays to take advantage of the other team making adjustments to stop the play that had been successful.
 

GFBfan said:
A question for all of you who think it is going to take until '19 or '20 to get back to and or surpass the Kill/Claeys level.
If you were a Soph., Jr or Sr. on this current team, would you be all in, knowing that your coach isn't trying to win games while you are there?
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If he isn't trying to win games while he is their, then why would he care if they are all in.
 



btowngopher said:
If he isn't trying to win games while he is their, then why would he care if they are all in.
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Because if they aren't, he's going to have to start burning all those redshirts that he wants to protect.
 

GFBfan said:
A question for all of you who think it is going to take until '19 or '20 to get back to and or surpass the Kill/Claeys level.
If you were a Soph., Jr or Sr. on this current team, would you be all in, knowing that your coach isn't trying to win games while you are there?
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So Fleck is not trying to win games now? Players and coaches think they can win every game. The Kill/Claeys level was 5-8 wins per season. They can still get into that range this year and next.
 

It's just hard to imagine the team has to look this bad after last year in order to get better...

I didn't know what to expect this year, but dropping ugly games vs less than stellar teams right out of the gate was not what I expected either.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
It's just hard to imagine the team has to look this bad after last year in order to get better...

I didn't know what to expect this year, but dropping ugly games vs less than stellar teams right out of the gate was not what I expected either.
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Keep in mind we all thought Penn State was bad when we lost to them last year and it turned out they weren't so bad. Plenty of signs based on how the season started ( other than the UCF game for maryland ) that Purdue and Maryland were improved so don't put them on a level with Illinois because that is where they were last year.
 



LakerFan said:
Keep in mind we all thought Penn State was bad when we lost to them last year and it turned out they weren't so bad. Plenty of signs based on how the season started ( other than the UCF game for maryland ) that Purdue and Maryland were improved so don't put them on a level with Illinois because that is where they were last year.
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Despite being a close game to the conference champs ... we dorked up so much in that game it still felt bad. It was our game but we gave it away multiple times.

Penn St. turned out to be super competitive but that game looked liked two teams that were fighting to not win, same with the Iowa game later.... very strange games.

But I think we agree otherwise.
 

I agree with some of this. This cupboard wasn't bare rhetoric is dead WRONG!! You can't expect to maintain 9 win with a team losing 3 year starting QB, top pass catcher, 2 starting linemen, 3 starting DBs and 2 staring D linemen. We had very little depth coming in (like almost every new coach) and new schemes on both sides. Just give Fleck time. I would rather have 2 bad seasons and a chance at a few special seasons that consistently average to slightly above average teams.
 

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