Assessing Every HC Hire from Power 5 Teams from 2012-16 (Busts: #2. Tracy Claeys, MN)

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In 2012, the SEC’s perceived dominance over the rest of college football was an unquestioned fact of life in the sport. Five years later, the conference with the most money, most fertile recruiting base and most passionate following looks like a shadow of its best self, reduced to Alabama and the 13 Dwarves. What the heck happened?

There are enough different answers to that to keep radio call-in shows in business for another five years. But a good place to start is on the sideline: Twelve of the SEC’s 14 teams have replaced their head coach in that span — all of them except Bama and Mississippi State — with underwhelming returns, to say the least. Meanwhile, the exponential inflation in coaches’ salaries has only thrown the mediocrity into high relief. At least five SEC coaches hired in the 2012-13 cycles (Arkansas’ Bret Bielema, Auburn’s Gus Malzahn, Ole Miss’ Hugh Freeze, Tennessee’s Butch Jones, and Texas A&M’s Kevin Sumlin) are facing obvious make-or-break campaigns in 2017, with the implicit promise that not all of them can survive another year. Many of their colleagues are only a losing season or two from the chopping block themselves. With Les Miles’ ouster at LSU, the only remaining coach with tenure is Nick Saban.

To put that situation into context, we’ve ranked the eleven full-time SEC hires from 2012-16 alongside the rest of the hires in the Power 5 conferences in the same span, divided into seven categories based on their performance to date. One positive note for the conference: None of the most recent hires has been so disastrous that they’ve already been fired. By this time next year, though, that won’t be the case.

BUSTS
The not-so-dearly departed:

2. Tracy Claeys, Minnesota (2015-16) Claeys assumed coaching duties from Jerry Kill when health concerns forced Kill into retirement, and it’s debatable how much job security he ever really had. It’s not debatable, however, that Claeys’ first full season was among the Gophers’ best in decades, yielding a 9–4 record, or that he almost certainly would have kept his job if not for his tone-deaf response to the suspension of multiple players for the Holiday Bowl as part of a university investigation into sexual assault.

https://athlonsports.com/college-fo...lege-football-head-coach-hire-power-5-2012-16

Go Gophers!!
 






It's not like the program was featured on outside the lines under him or anything

Did they do a story on how unfair the investigation was? I missed it.
 

2. Tracy Claeys, Minnesota (2015-16) Claeys assumed coaching duties from Jerry Kill when health concerns forced Kill into retirement, and it’s debatable how much job security he ever really had. It’s not debatable, however, that Claeys’ first full season was among the Gophers’ best in decades, yielding a 9–4 record, or that he almost certainly would have kept his job if not for his tone-deaf response to the suspension of multiple players for the Holiday Bowl as part of a university investigation into sexual assault.

A kid gets his feet out of the mud in overtime at Penn State and #7 throws a couple less pics and we would have had a chance at the Rose bowl. How is that a bust?
 

Did they do a story on how unfair the investigation was? I missed it.

What you missed was that the national news media stories about the gang bang scandal where largely favorable to the U and how it handled the investigation/hearings and critical of the player boycott and Claeys' support for it. Most of the criticism of the U came from those in the local news media with long standing axes to grind against the U. That criticism was based on a misunderstanding of legal due process and the U's student disciplinary procedures. Since there have been no player lawsuits challenging the U's handling of the cases it can only be concluded that they were fair and unbiased and the players all received their due process.
 

Helfrich at Oregon.

There is no way Claeys deserves to be #2 on that list...

Default Assessing Every HC Hire from Power 5 Teams from 2012-16 (Busts: #2. Tracy Claeys, MN

His man tits are way bigger than Helfrich's. Who has has bigger busts, i.e. who is #1?
 



Default Assessing Every HC Hire from Power 5 Teams from 2012-16 (Busts: #2. Tracy Claeys, MN

His man tits are way bigger than Helfrich's. Who has has bigger busts, i.e. who is #1?

If you have to explain your pun it's usually not funny


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What you missed was that the national news media stories about the gang bang scandal where largely favorable to the U and how it handled the investigation/hearings and critical of the player boycott and Claeys' support for it. Most of the criticism of the U came from those in the local news media with long standing axes to grind against the U. That criticism was based on a misunderstanding of legal due process and the U's student disciplinary procedures. Since there have been no player lawsuits challenging the U's handling of the cases it can only be concluded that they were fair and unbiased and the players all received their due process.

Thank you.
 

What you missed was that the national news media stories about the gang bang scandal where largely favorable to the U and how it handled the investigation/hearings and critical of the player boycott and Claeys' support for it. Most of the criticism of the U came from those in the local news media with long standing axes to grind against the U. That criticism was based on a misunderstanding of legal due process and the U's student disciplinary procedures. Since there have been no player lawsuits challenging the U's handling of the cases it can only be concluded that they were fair and unbiased and the players all received their due process.

UpNorthGo4, how many screen names have you signed up for now? This is at least #3 that I know of - how many others are there?
 




If I were an admin i'd ban all flaming garbage from Athlon. It's so dumb that people keep posting this crap...
 

What you missed was that the national news media stories about the gang bang scandal where largely favorable to the U and how it handled the investigation/hearings and critical of the player boycott and Claeys' support for it. Most of the criticism of the U came from those in the local news media with long standing axes to grind against the U. That criticism was based on a misunderstanding of legal due process and the U's student disciplinary procedures. Since there have been no player lawsuits challenging the U's handling of the cases it can only be concluded that they were fair and unbiased and the players all received their due process.

When the ACLU lines up against you and the rest of the fringe it becomes evident you've crossed the Rubicon.

One of the few positive things to come out of this administration will be helping to roll back the 2011 OCR mandate enforced via the EOAA and their activist cohorts on campus. Devos and the DOE are in deliberations right now to make this so.

Here's a CBS story from last week:

https://youtu.be/hIRZR1L1LA0
 

When the ACLU lines up against you and the rest of the nutjobs it becomes evident you've crossed the Rubicon.

One of the few positive things to come out of this administration will be helping to roll back the 2011 OCR mandate enforced via the EOAA and their activist cohorts on campus. Devos and the DOE are in deliberations right now to make this so.

Here's a CBS story from last week:

https://youtu.be/hIRZR1L1LA0

The school can still do what it wants regardless of what they come down with.
 


The school can still do what it wants regardless of what they come down with.

SOB is somebody who gets it. It doesn't matter what the morons running the country do. Minnesota is one of the states that will ignore them and continue to do what is right. The U is not going to change its student disciplinary procedures to allow student athletes to get a free pass. They will be held accountable for their behavior just like every other student.
 

If violating student rights is looked askance at by the bureau holding the purse strings things may be forced to change. The shoe is on the other foot.

Meanwhile we still have bobos defending a farce that the former head of the ACLU criticizes as hopelessly biased and unfair, ergo a violation of a student's rights. She believes these proceedings should be handled by the criminal justice system...not my words. The disciplinary proceedings are so biased and unfair it has made bedfellows of the left, right, and center.
 

The school can still do what it wants regardless of what they come down with.

As with free speech nobody should be jailed for voicing ugly opinions but there can and often are still consequences. If nothing else more light will be shed on the abuses and overreach which may help sway public opinion. Most, like Cruze, haven't a clue what they are talking about.
 

As with free speech nobody should be jailed for voicing ugly opinions but there can and often are still consequences. If nothing else more light will be shed on the abuses and overreach which may help sway public opinion. Most, like Cruze, haven't a clue what they are talking about.

What do you think the dept of education can / will do and what consequences do you think the dept of education could put down?

They can put up rules to require schools to try to do X, but they're pretty limited in what they can do when it comes "hey don't do X that much". It's just not an option for them.

The only way the kangaroo court stuff will be really addressed is when the schools themselves act / outside litigation.
 

The details of Title IX are written by politically-appointed bureaucrats. For example, Title IX originally said nothing about sexual assault. The DOE under the prior administration threatened to pull funding if their expanded and stricter rules regarding campus sexual assault were not followed. Nobody knows the what extent the Title IX rules will change or roll back but it stands to reason if schools are abusing the rights of any one group of students to obtain an education that could bring financial repercussions. What will happen - who knows. Stay tuned.
 

SOB is somebody who gets it. It doesn't matter what the morons running the country do. Minnesota is one of the states that will ignore them and continue to do what is right. The U is not going to change its student disciplinary procedures to allow student athletes to get a free pass. They will be held accountable for their behavior just like every other student.

Nice try, you started out good, then...

Schools have wide latitude setting up the process, procedures, and punishment; that's why there are so many differing outcomes.
 

The details of Title IX are written by politically-appointed bureaucrats. For example, Title IX originally said nothing about sexual assault. The DOE under the prior administration threatened to pull funding if their expanded and stricter rules regarding campus sexual assault were not followed. Nobody knows the what extent the Title IX rules will change or roll back but it stands to reason if schools are abusing the rights of any one group of students to obtain an education that could bring financial repercussions. What will happen - who knows. Stay tuned.

I think you're a bit far down the political rabbit hole compared to what the department actually can and can't do.
 


What you missed was that the national news media stories about the gang bang scandal where largely favorable to the U and how it handled the investigation/hearings and critical of the player boycott and Claeys' support for it. Most of the criticism of the U came from those in the local news media with long standing axes to grind against the U. That criticism was based on a misunderstanding of legal due process and the U's student disciplinary procedures. Since there have been no player lawsuits challenging the U's handling of the cases it can only be concluded that they were fair and unbiased and the players all received their due process.

Really don't want to dredge up old arguments, but do you really think just because someone doesn't file a lawsuit that what happened to them was fair? Maybe they didn't file a lawsuit because they don't have the money to fight the battle? Maybe they don't file the lawsuit because the system is rigged against them and they know they can't win, even though it's unfair? Maybe they wanted to move on with their lives and not spend months fighting a legal battle that they might not win?
 

Really don't want to dredge up old arguments, but do you really think just because someone doesn't file a lawsuit that what happened to them was fair? Maybe they didn't file a lawsuit because they don't have the money to fight the battle? Maybe they don't file the lawsuit because the system is rigged against them and they know they can't win, even though it's unfair? Maybe they wanted to move on with their lives and not spend months fighting a legal battle that they might not win?

+1 Piggybacking your comments, would someone sue their current employer? I think the players currently on the roster understand that it wouldn't be a good move to press that issue right now.
 

What you missed was that the national news media stories about the gang bang scandal where largely favorable to the U and how it handled the investigation/hearings and critical of the player boycott and Claeys' support for it. Most of the criticism of the U came from those in the local news media with long standing axes to grind against the U. That criticism was based on a misunderstanding of legal due process and the U's student disciplinary procedures. Since there have been no player lawsuits challenging the U's handling of the cases it can only be concluded that they were fair and unbiased and the players all received their due process.

that is far from the only possible conclusion.
 

Correct, and maybe

Really don't want to dredge up old arguments, but do you really think just because someone doesn't file a lawsuit that what happened to them was fair? Maybe they didn't file a lawsuit because they don't have the money to fight the battle? Maybe they don't file the lawsuit because the system is rigged against them and they know they can't win, even though it's unfair? Maybe they wanted to move on with their lives and not spend months fighting a legal battle that they might not win?

Correct, and maybe because of the nature of the situation they do not want to be associated it with it any farther seeing the media's reaction. It's too high profile, too salacious. Win or lose you are branded. Anonymity is no longer an option. Moving on is the best course.
 

Really don't want to dredge up old arguments, but do you really think just because someone doesn't file a lawsuit that what happened to them was fair? Maybe they didn't file a lawsuit because they don't have the money to fight the battle? Maybe they don't file the lawsuit because the system is rigged against them and they know they can't win, even though it's unfair? Maybe they wanted to move on with their lives and not spend months fighting a legal battle that they might not win?

The reason lawsuits were not filed is that the weight of the evidence shows the U did nothing wrong in it's handling of the cases. They followed their student disciplinary procedures exactly as they are written. The procedures are published on the U's website for all to see. Many of the cases that are brought by students against colleges and universities for violating their due process rights allege that the schools didn't follow their own disciplinary procedures or that their procedures were flawed because they didn't provide the students a fair opportunity to challenge the evidence against them. None of that is true at the U. The evidence for that is 5 of the 10 players won their cases on appeal. That's due process folks.

I am not buying the argument that the cases should not have been brought in the first place. There was plenty of independent evidence that at least some of the players tried to cover-up their activities that night by wiping their cell phones clean, coordinating their stories, and lying about where they were and what they were doing. At the very least an investigation and hearings were needed to try to get to the bottom of what really happened. Five of the players won on appeal and good for them. But it in no way means they were treated unfairly by the U. Reasonable people believe the opposite is true.
 




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