Is it just me or is the star level of our recruiting

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Johnnyboy18 said:
It's a part of all my posts so I guess you randomly bringing it up didn't make any sense. I don't think I'm elite but I think both of those honors are definitely elite!
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Nice...heaping more praise on yourself. It is so becoming of you.
 


Some Day...Maybe said:
Didn't quite pick up on the sarcasm or facetiousness of my post Spoofin. The poster seemed to think Fleck should just walk in here and beat the best MN recruiting class ever very soundly before coaching a game. The fact he's recruiting better than any Gopher football coach at this point in their tenure isn't good enough. It's a joke of a post.


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My bad. I must have missed something. Won't be the last time.


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Spoofin said:
Lord. I'm excited to have PJF as coach and think he will be successful, but can we let him coach at least one game here before we label him " far and away the best coach Gopher football has had in the last 50 years"?
Think of how ridiculous that statement is to make right now.


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Didn't quite pick up on the sarcasm or facetiousness of my post Spoofin. The poster seemed to think Fleck should just walk in here and beat the best MN recruiting class ever very soundly before coaching a game. The fact he's recruiting better than any Gopher football coach at this point in their tenure isn't good enough. It's a joke of a post.


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PMWinSTP said:
Clunky pivot, work on it, Tool. Work on your sarcasm as well, it's amateur at best. Fleck has yet to coach a game for the U.
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Seems I got your panties in a bunch there St Paul guy.


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Some Day...Maybe said:
Didn't quite pick up on the sarcasm or facetiousness of my post Spoofin. The poster seemed to think Fleck should just walk in here and beat the best MN recruiting class ever very soundly before coaching a game. The fact he's recruiting better than any Gopher football coach at this point in their tenure isn't good enough. It's a joke of a post.


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Again, I was responding to another post that referenced comparing those two specific recruiting classes...as the OP does. What about my post do you think is a joke, specifically?
 

kisarazu said:
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2011-18 CLASS COMPARISON
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1) For better or worse I only used 247.
2) Kill/Claeys and Co. were good at finding RB and defensive diamonds.
3) Fleck got the Gophers being picked over Clemson in a multi-part feature on ESPN. It will be fun to see where recruiting ends up come signing day.
4) Interesting comparison: In 2011 Stanford pulled their offer to David Cobb, correct? Rivals lists Stanford. 247 doesn't.


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2011 CLASS - JERRY KILL (TRANSITION)
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Rating - Name - Postion - P5 offers (Best of other offers)
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MN Recruits
.8706 - Tommy Olson - C - 1
.8378 - Peter Westerhaus - LB - 2
.8211 - Joe Bjorklund - OG - 1
.8149 - Devin Crawford-Tufts - WR - 2
.8033 - Grayson Levine - S - 1
.7907 - Josh Campion - OT - 1

OOS Recruits
.8570 - Kyle McAvoy - OG - 7 (Louisville, Michigan State, Northwestern)
.8478 - Steven Montgomery - S - 4 (North Carolina, West Virginia, Maryland)
.8447 - Max Shortell - QB - 1
.8378 - Quentin Gardener - WR - 3
.8346 - Quinn Bauducco - LB - 1
.8338 - David Cobb - RB - 1
.8274 - Drayquan Crawford - S - 1
.8269 - Luke McAvoy - OT - 3
.8255 - Drew Goodger - TE - 1
.8221 - Michael Amaefula - DE - 1
.8103 - Foster Bush - OG - 1
.8196 - Jephete Matilus - FB - 1
.7843 - Marcus Jones - CB - 1
.7833 - Ge'Shun Harris - WR - 1
.7815 - John Rabe - TE - 1
.7591 - Theiren Cockran - DE - 2
.7591 - Derrick Wells - CB - 1
.7444 - Cedric Thmpson - S - 1

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2012 CLASS - JERRY KILL
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MN Recruits
.8735 - Andre McDonald - WR - 6 (tOSU, Michigan State, Iowa)
.8724 - Jonah Pirsig - OT - 10 (tOSU, Michigan, Michigan State)
.8713 - Isaac Hayes - OG - 3
.8583 - Philip Nelson - QB - 1
.8388 - Maxx Williams - TE - 1
.8341 - Nick Rallis - LB - 1
.8285 - Mitch Leidner - QB - 1
.7873 - Duke Anyanwu - TE - 1
.7791 - Isaac Fruechte - WR - 1
.7542 - Ben Lauer - OT - 1

OOS Recruits
.8715 - Jamel Harbison - WR - 7 (Clemson, Vanderbilt, West Virginia)
.8413 - Rodrick Williams Jr. - RB - 3
.8389 - Roland Johnson - DT - 1
.8274 - Antonio Johnson - S - 1
.8263 - Jack Lynn - LB - 1
.8203 - Scott Ekpe - DT - 1
.8159 - Jordan Hinojosa - DT - 1
.8100 - Martez Shabazz - CB - 1
.8095 - Lincoln Plsek - 1
.8029 - KJ Maye - WR - 2
.8000 - James Gillium - RB - 1
.8000 - Damarius Travis - S - 1
.7943 - Alex Keith - DE - 1
.7867 - Birean Boddy-Calhoun - CB - 1
.7791 - Eric Murray - CB - 1
.7333 - Yoshoub Timms - DT - 1

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2013 CLASS - JERRY KILL
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MN Recruits
.8238 - Chris Wipson - LB - 1

OOS Recruits
.8599 - Berkley Edwards - RB - 3
.8554 - De'Vondre Campbell - LB - 5 (Texas A&M, Texas, Kansas State)
.8486 - De'Niro Laster - WR - 4 (Cincinnati, Kansas, Temple)
.8431 - Nate Wozniak - TE - 7 (Wisconsin, Miami, Cincinnati)
.8406 - Owen Salzwedel - DE - 1
.8390 - Alex Mayes - OT - 5 (Kansas State, Houston, Connecticut?)
.8373 - Drew Wolitarsky - WR - 2
.8286 - Ray Dixon - LB - 3
.8256 - Damien Wilson - LB - 2
.8166 - Hendrick Ekpe - DE - 2
.8150 - Jalen Myrick - CB - 1
.8144 - Eric Carter - WR - 5 (Missouri, Cincinnati, Purdue)
.8117 - Chris Streveler - QB - 1
.8111 - Demaris Peppers - DT - 3
.8067 - Jordan Hinojosa - DT - 1
.8045 - Donovan Jones - WR - 7 (Arkansas, Missouri, Cincinnati)
.8014 - Ryan Santoso - P - 1
.7981- Daletavious McGhee - S - 2

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2014 CLASS - JERRY KILL
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MN Recruits
.9689 - Jeff Jones - RB - 10? (Florida, Michigan, Michigan State)
.8472 - Andrew Stelter - DE - 3
.8149 - Brandon Lingen - TE - 1

OOS Recruits
.8726 - Connor Mayes - OG - 13 (Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Baylor)
.8601 - Melvin Holland - WR - 5 (Wisconsin, Boston College, Rutgers)
.8568 - Gaelin Elmore - DE - 7 (Michigan State, Nebraska, Wisconsin)
.8547 - Dimonic Roden-McKinzy - QB - 3?
.8439 - Isaiah Gentry - WR - 2
.8406 - Craig James - CB - 7 (Missouri, Iowa, Syracuse?)
.8351 - Rodney Smith - RB - 2
.8194 - Conner Krizancic - WR - 2
.8150 - Jerry Gibson - DE - 2
.8141 - Steven Richardson - DT - 1
.8094 - Ra'Shaun Croney - ATH - 3?
.8078 - Everett Williams - LB - 1
.8069 - Cody Poock - LB - 3
.8015 - Jared Weyler - C - 1
.7993 - Gary Moore - DT - 1
.7980 - Jonathan Celestin - LB - 1
.7973 - Luke Rasmussen - OT - 1
.7880 - Julien Kafo - DE - 4 (Connecticut, Indiana, Pittsburgh)
????? - Desmond Gant - WR - 1

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2015 CLASS - JERRY KILL
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MN Recruits
.8391 - Bronson Dovich - OG - 2
.8309 - Nick Connelly - OT - 1

OOS Recruits
.8573 - Dior Johnson - S - 3?
.8553 - Quinn Oseland - OT - 17 (Oregon, Michigan State, Mississippi State)
.8538 - Tyler Moore - C - 6 (Texas, Illinois, Oregon State?)
.8535 - Charles Rogers - CB - 2
.8531 - Demry Croft - QB - 1
.8462 - Ray Buford - CB - 2
.8431 - Shannon Brooks - RB - 1
.8385 - Hunter Register - WR - 3
.8366 - Ted Stieber - OG - 5 (Cincinnati, Rutgers, Illinois)
.8362 - Jaylen Waters - LB - 1
.8347 - Winston DeLattiboudere - DE - 1
.8325 - James Johannesson - RB - 1
.8284 - Antonio Shenault - CB - 2
.8270 - Jonathan Femi-Cole - RB - 1
.8219 - Bryce Witham - TE - 1
.8169 - Mose Hall - DE - 3?
.8155 - Jacob Huff - S - 1
.8140 - Zo Craighton - CB - 2
.8082 - Kiante Hardin - CB - 1
.8070 - Rashad Still - WR - 1
.8033 - Julian Huff - LB - 1
.7996 - Colton Beebe - TE - 2

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2016 CLASS - TRACY CLAEYS (TRANSITION?)
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MN Recruits
.9528 - Carter Coughlin - LB - 7 (tOSU, Michigan State, Wisconsin)
.8813 - Seth Green - QB - 9 (Michigan State, Wisconsin, Oregon)
.8643 - Tyler Johnson - WR - 4 (Iowa, Iowa State, Wisconsin)
.8603 - Sam Schlueter - OG,OT - 6 (Michigan State, Wisconsin, Louisville)
.8518 - Kamal Martin - LB - 1
.8509 - Phillip Howard - WR - 1
.8470 - Drew Hmielewski - WR - 1
.8441 - Conner Olson - OG - 1
.8425 - Thomas Barber - LB - 1

OOS Recruits
.8472 - Garrison Wright - OT - 3
.8466 - Kiondre Thomas - CB - 2
.8375 - Coney Durr - CB - 6 (Kansas State, Memphis, North Carolina)
.8352 - Merrick Jackson - DT - 5 (Baylor, Oklahoma State, Illinois)
.8332 - Kobe McCrary - RB - 1
.8301 - Tai'yon Devers - DE - 1
.8285 - Antoine Winfield Jr. - S - 6 (Houston, Northwestern, Missouri)
.8214 - TaMarion Johnson - DE - 1
.8189 - Vincent Calhoun - OG - 4 (Missippi State, Memphis, East Carolina)
.8037 - Ko Kieft - TE - 1
.8025 - DeMarcus Williams - WR - 1
.7933 - Donnell Greene - OT - 2

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2017 CLASS - P.J. Fleck (TRANSITION)
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MN Recruits
.8857 - Blaise Andries - OT - 21 (Penn State, Oklahoma, Florida)
.8422 - Eric Abojei - OT, OG - 2
.8341 - Dominik London - RB - 1
.8247 - Boye Mafe - DE - 2
.8154 - Grant Ryerse - K - 3
.8141 - Nathan Bursch - TE - 1


OOS Recruits
.8664 - Kendarian Handy-Holly - S - 12 (Florida, Louisville, Miami)
.8528 - Demetrius Douglas - WR - 5 (Notre Dame, Oregon, Vanderbilt)
.8502 - Adam Beck - CB, S - 8 (Houston, Missippi State, Texas Tech)
.8499 - Chris Autman-Bell - WR - 1
.8471 - Jacob Paulson - TE - 6 (Louisville, Pittsburgh, Cincinnatti)
.8412 - John Michael Schmitz - OG, C - 2
.8406 - Malcolm Robinson - OG, DT - 4 (Boston College, Purdue, Iowa State)
.8395 - Mohamed Ibrahim - RB - 4 (Iowa, Temple, Kentucky)
.8375 - Tanner Morgan - QB - 4 (Louisville, Cincinnati, Wake Forest)
.8355 - Justus Harris - CB - 4 (Cincinnati, Rutgers, Vanderbilt)
.8341 - Reyondous Estes - ATH - 3
.8303 - Nate Umlor - DE - 2
.8281 - Harrison Van Dyne - WR - 3
.8267 - Royal Silver - DT - 3
.8224 - Trenton Guthrie - LB - 1
.8221 - Esezi Otomewo - DE - 6 (Washington State, Illinois, Purdue)
.8216 - Kyle Sassack - OT - 1
.8142 - Neil McLaurin - QB - 1
.8128 - Ben Davis - OT - 1
.8106 - Noah Hickcox - DT - 1
.7858 - Austin Schirck - DT - 1

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2018 CLASS - P.J. Fleck (AS OF JUNE 24th)
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MN Recruits
.8484 - Benjamin Sapp III - CB - 23 (Clemson, Alabama, tOSU)
.8447 - Logan Richter - DT - 1
.8383 - Brevyn Spann-Ford - TE, WR - 4 (West Virginia, Missouri, Iowa State)
.8204 - Josh Aune - ATH - 1
.8136 - Nathan Boe - C - 1

OOS Recruits
.8681 - Elijah Teague - DT - 22 (Penn State, Oklahoma, Wisconsin)
.8616 - Brennan Armstrong - QB - 6 (North Carolina, Cincinatti, Rutgers)
.8616 - Terell Smith - CB - 12 (Florida, Michigan State, West Virginia)
.8575 - Jornell Manns - WR - 6 (Penn State, Wisconsin, West Virginia)
.8512 - Rashod Bateman - WR - 2
.8488 - Abi Okonji - DE - 10 (Michigan State, Mississippi State, Kansas State)
.8479 - Austin Beier - OG, C - 5 (Northwestern, Cincinnatti, Boston College)
.8446 - Tyrik Henderson - CB - 10 (Iowa, Temple, Missouri)
.8405 - Thomas Rush - LB, RB - 1
.8394 - Erik Gibson - WR - 1
.8348 - Mayan Ahanotu - DE, DT - 19 (Oklahoma, Michigan State, Mississippi State)
.8281 - Bryce Williams - RB - 3
.8180 - Shamaur McDowell - CB - 7 (Washington State, N.C. State, Cincinnati)
.8174 - Mariano Sori-Marin - LB - 1

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That's a long post. Is there a way to spoiler the data sections of each year?
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Fortunately, recruiting rankings are completely stable and accurate There is no fluctuation in who or how players are evaluated from year to year, so comparing classes from 2011 to 2018 gives you a complete and totally accurate point of comparison from which to continue these silly comparisons.

Fleck and Kill have different approaches, but since it has been deemed that winning the recruiting wars equals higher results in the standings, the ranking of our recruiting class (relatively from year to year, not comparing over years) is what matters. We're looking at finishing well into the bottom half of the conference ledger unless something dramatically changes.

February is a long ways off, and we have a season to play and that could dramatically impact the results so I don't understand all the hand-wringing in June and attempts to compare 2011 to 2018, but then again, getting worked up over the decision making process of 17-18 year old boys isn't something that I pin my hopes and dreams on either.
 

caliGopher said:
Fortunately, recruiting rankings are completely stable and accurate There is no fluctuation in who or how players are evaluated from year to year, so comparing classes from 2011 to 2018 gives you a complete and totally accurate point of comparison from which to continue these silly comparisons.

Fleck and Kill have different approaches, but since it has been deemed that winning the recruiting wars equals higher results in the standings, the ranking of our recruiting class (relatively from year to year, not comparing over years) is what matters. We're looking at finishing well into the bottom half of the conference ledger unless something dramatically changes.

February is a long ways off, and we have a season to play and that could dramatically impact the results so I don't understand all the hand-wringing in June and attempts to compare 2011 to 2018, but then again, getting worked up over the decision making process of 17-18 year old boys isn't something that I pin my hopes and dreams on either.
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But getting worked up over the decision making process/success of 18-22 year old boys is?
 

kisarazu said:
But getting worked up over the decision making process/success of 18-22 year old boys is?
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Whatever you choose to get worked up over is your business, I do not judge.

The comment was directed to this thread not towards you specifically.

I'll be interested excited in what the coaches do on Saturdays this fall and what the signed class looks like in February.


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caliGopher said:
Whatever you choose to get worked up over is your business, I do not judge.

The comment was directed to this thread not towards you specifically.

I'll be interested excited in what the coaches do on Saturdays this fall and what the signed class looks like in February.


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Gotcha. That's pretty much where I stand.
 

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