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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroon92 View Post
    "If PJ wants his players to be spiritually elite, and likely the majority are Christian- why is the Spring Game on Easter weekend?"

    I have found many of the recruits this year have bible verses attached to their twitter accts etc. I wonder if bible studies are part of row the ark?
    Tons of football players all over the country at all levels do this. Nothing unique to our recruits.


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    Quote Originally Posted by die hard gopher View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if Rhoda left if he was clearly behind Seth and Demry by the end of it. No one else jumps out at me though.
    Now that Rhoda's got his scholarship back I'm guessing he's just going to ride it out. The only reason he was going to leave was because Claeys pulled his scholarship. I'm sure he knew full well where he stood with new recruits and the possibility of Green and Williams returning. I think if he really wanted to start he would have never come back when Fleck came calling.

    I wouldn't be shocked to see one or more of the WR leave (Carter, Gentry, Holland and Still all seem like potential candidates depending where they end up in the depth charts). Croft could go depending where he ends up (if he is behind Green, Morgan or against all odds Williams and especially if he's behind two of them). I'm sure there will be a couple of RS FR or SO's that will not like the new direction and may decide not to ride it out, but I don't see anyone obvious yet. I don't see OL or DB (too much opportunity to play).

    As much as I know people do leave after spring ball, I just don't see that many players leaving this year. Probably the kiss of death that I just said that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by die hard gopher View Post
    Tons of football players all over the country at all levels do this. Nothing unique to our recruits.
    "blessed"

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    Maybe I'm nit-picking. Maybe I'm looking for the negative.

    But - I would be happier if Fleck would have said something like this: "I have to get to know the returning players, and they have to get to know me. If it turns out that some of the players decide we're not a good fit for each other, then I won't stand in their way if they want to consider other options. I want players who want to be here, and vice-versa."

    Instead, he presents it as some players "don't want to be elite in all four areas," - making it sound like it's the player's fault.

    I would not be surprised if there are several transfers after the spring. I'll put the number between 4-8, with a midpoint of 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeville Goldy View Post
    Now that Rhoda's got his scholarship back I'm guessing he's just going to ride it out. The only reason he was going to leave was because Claeys pulled his scholarship. I'm sure he knew full well where he stood with new recruits and the possibility of Green and Williams returning. I think if he really wanted to start he would have never come back when Fleck came calling.

    I wouldn't be shocked to see one or more of the WR leave (Carter, Gentry, Holland and Still all seem like potential candidates depending where they end up in the depth charts). Croft could go depending where he ends up (if he is behind Green, Morgan or against all odds Williams and especially if he's behind two of them). I'm sure there will be a couple of RS FR or SO's that will not like the new direction and may decide not to ride it out, but I don't see anyone obvious yet. I don't see OL or DB (too much opportunity to play).

    As much as I know people do leave after spring ball, I just don't see that many players leaving this year. Probably the kiss of death that I just said that!
    I'm not disagreeing with your post. I don't think Rhoda is going anywhere. However, I don't think it was as simple as "Claeys pulled his scholarship". I think there was an honest discussion with Conor where Claeys laid it out to him and explained that it was highly unlikely hat he got significant playing time. I'm not saying that I agree with that decision (I strongly disagreed with it when it came to Streveler a year ago, that's another discussion, but I thought that was an awful decision). But I actually think it's the right thing to do. I am sure PJ will be doing the same thing with a handful of players after spring ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by short ornery norwegian View Post
    Maybe I'm nit-picking. Maybe I'm looking for the negative.

    But - I would be happier if Fleck would have said something like this: "I have to get to know the returning players, and they have to get to know me. If it turns out that some of the players decide we're not a good fit for each other, then I won't stand in their way if they want to consider other options. I want players who want to be here, and vice-versa."

    Instead, he presents it as some players "don't want to be elite in all four areas," - making it sound like it's the player's fault.

    I would not be surprised if there are several transfers after the spring. I'll put the number between 4-8, with a midpoint of 6.

    I agree with the above post 100%. A person that is spiritual will not try to force it upon others...Believing is a whom so ever will kinda thing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by short ornery norwegian View Post
    Maybe I'm nit-picking. Maybe I'm looking for the negative.
    Not you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winnipegopher View Post
    Not sure why this four elite stuff is so important to you. It is a catch phrase from a coach who has dozens of them.

    Several players will leave, all because the coaches believe they are not as "athletically elite" as the player feels he is. Same as any other spring with a new coach.
    +1 well said
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    Never seen a fan base looking to be negative about a new coach as much as this one. Truly ridiculous.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MissouriGopher View Post
    Never seen a fan base looking to be negative about a new coach as much as this one. Truly ridiculous.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Thanks for quoting the article. I couldn't do it from my phone.

    His comments don't seem to concern you. Fine.

    I find his four requirements peculiar and suspect some "stars" may leave after Spring Ball.
    Peculiar? Trying to help develop a complete human being, is that peculiar? Parents of recruits realize that their kid will not play professional football so the more complete that person is the better his chances of success in the world outside football. Now in your case, custodial work at the local Pizza Hut probably didn't require all that stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncoRedux View Post
    Peculiar? Trying to help develop a complete human being, is that peculiar? Parents of recruits realize that their kid will not play professional football so the more complete that person is the better his chances of success in the world outside football. Now in your case, custodial work at the local Pizza Hut probably didn't require all that stuff.
    You give parents of division 1 athletes far too much credit for being level headed, which means you have a built in bias.

    I tend to agree with the poster who says these "four elites" are fleckisms to sell his candy.

    As for Pizza Hut, you'd be surprised by the the amount of athleticism, academics, social and spiritual eliteness required to clean up the spunk you left on the bathroom urinal.

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    Few, if any. I don't think the Fleck regime will be waking up a program full of lazy bums here...our guys are already used to having to work hard, play hard, meet standards, and go to class. This isn't a "come to Jesus" camp for a 1-11 wreck, and he's not inheriting an academic tire fire either.

    One incident mostly involving guys who will no longer be here doesn't mean the whole program was a raft of failure and laziness. Fleck's just giving a mantra -- as he is wont to do -- to the values that already existed here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncoRedux View Post
    Peculiar? Trying to help develop a complete human being, is that peculiar? Parents of recruits realize that their kid will not play professional football so the more complete that person is the better his chances of success in the world outside football. Now in your case, custodial work at the local Pizza Hut probably didn't require all that stuff.
    I found the inclusion of "spiritually" to be peculiar. I am all for PJ saying that he wants people who are good athletically, academically and socially. Personally, I think the "spiritually" thing is kind of gross. I am pretty sure PJ was just using coach speak to cater to the believers (they love this kind of stuff). I don't think there will be any "spirituality" requirements for our football team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroon92 View Post
    "If PJ wants his players to be spiritually elite, and likely the majority are Christian- why is the Spring Game on Easter weekend?"

    I have found many of the recruits this year have bible verses attached to their twitter accts etc. I wonder if bible studies are part of row the ark?
    Yeah, who wants players with morals, much better to get some guys into the program who are into gang-bangs

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