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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_Loblaw View Post
    I wish it were that simple.

    9 wins LAST year is not good enough.
    8 wins NEXT year is an unrealistic expectation.

    Additionally, you have to keep in mind that PJ Fleck is dealing with implementing a new system. You shouldn't have high expectations for next year. However, here is where it gets tricky, the offense last year (with Johnson and Miller), should have hit the ground running. You should not have expected a learning curve.
    For me, 9 wins last year wasn't enough for Claeys to keep his job based on other factors (decisions he made during games, his [at the time] poor recruiting class, his lack of leadership during the scandal, fan apathy, etc.). However, while I was disappointed with the offense, had Claeys been retained I absolutely would not have been calling for JJ's head. Had Claeys been retained, I wanted to see how his offense progressed. It absolutely wasn't what I wanted to see last year (play calling, efficiency, etc.) but I did understand he had limited time and ability to fully implement his scheme. Some certainly expected it to click faster based on similarities to the previous offense, but I'm not sure that is fair.

    Again for me, 8 wins next year isn't a realistic basement level based on a lot of factors other than a new coach. One of the big issues next year is simply the players lost through graduation/transfer/expulsion vs. backups. Last year I had a better feeling for who was going to come in and play and based on what I had seen felt like they should be able to contribute (example, I felt pretty confident Wolitarsky would be the top receiver and be a reliable target). The only QB's we have coming back we've seen for a combined <3 games so regardless how they did, we have no idea what they'll be like next year (and whether either will actually win the job). I have no idea who will play center. We have a small handful of DB's returning (obviously that situation improved but still was hurt). We don't have a single WR that I have seen that I feel like can be a reliable target (hands of stone). Schedule is similar depending on whether MI State rebounds and whether MI can stay top tier losing 11 starters on defense (thought I heard that, could be wrong).

    Frankly, I would have felt the same whether it was Claeys or Fleck based on the above, with the exception that they would have likely lost Rhoda and may have kept Moore which would have helped (not sure on that, even though he said Claeys was his reason). I think 8 wins is possible, but I don't think it's a disaster or disgrace or whatever if they win 6 or 7.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MNgradinWI View Post
    Your last sentence sums up your lack of intelligence. Bowl committees and people who attend games care who and how you beat people. I was at the Northwestern game. If you were...you would notice how many people were excited about the glorious last second victory of Rutgers.
    Why do I (or does anyone) give a sh1t about what other people who attend games care who or how we beat people? I literally could not care less what other attendees at Gophers games think about the Gophers. And you're wrong about the bowl committees, btw. They are more or less bound by rule and win totals to pick among (at most) 2-3 teams in their slot. They are obligated to pick an 8-win Minnesota team over a 6-win Iowa team, for example, unless it's against the repeat selection rules put into place. They don't look at or care about strength of schedule or margin of victory. That matters for the playoff committee. I'll worry about those things when we're in that discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by MNgradinWI View Post
    I was at the Northwestern game. If you were...you would notice how many people were excited about the glorious last second victory of Rutgers.
    You're barking up the wrong tree. I attend every Gophers home game I possibly can unless I'm out of town or somebody died. I've attended probably 46 out of the 49 home games in TCF Bank Stadium. And again, why would I care how many people were excited about the victory over Rutgers? Why would I care? Why would anybody? What a weird thing to be concerned about. I care about winning games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNgradinWI View Post
    I was at the Northwestern game. If you were...you would notice how many people were excited about the glorious last second victory of Rutgers.
    It was cold, not a lot of people sure, but it was fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeville Goldy View Post
    For me, 9 wins last year wasn't enough for Claeys to keep his job based on other factors (decisions he made during games, his [at the time] poor recruiting class, his lack of leadership during the scandal, fan apathy, etc.). However, while I was disappointed with the offense, had Claeys been retained I absolutely would not have been calling for JJ's head. Had Claeys been retained, I wanted to see how his offense progressed. It absolutely wasn't what I wanted to see last year (play calling, efficiency, etc.) but I did understand he had limited time and ability to fully implement his scheme. Some certainly expected it to click faster based on similarities to the previous offense, but I'm not sure that is fair.

    Again for me, 8 wins next year isn't a realistic basement level based on a lot of factors other than a new coach. One of the big issues next year is simply the players lost through graduation/transfer/expulsion vs. backups. Last year I had a better feeling for who was going to come in and play and based on what I had seen felt like they should be able to contribute (example, I felt pretty confident Wolitarsky would be the top receiver and be a reliable target). The only QB's we have coming back we've seen for a combined <3 games so regardless how they did, we have no idea what they'll be like next year (and whether either will actually win the job). I have no idea who will play center. We have a small handful of DB's returning (obviously that situation improved but still was hurt). We don't have a single WR that I have seen that I feel like can be a reliable target (hands of stone). Schedule is similar depending on whether MI State rebounds and whether MI can stay top tier losing 11 starters on defense (thought I heard that, could be wrong).

    Frankly, I would have felt the same whether it was Claeys or Fleck based on the above, with the exception that they would have likely lost Rhoda and may have kept Moore which would have helped (not sure on that, even though he said Claeys was his reason). I think 8 wins is possible, but I don't think it's a disaster or disgrace or whatever if they win 6 or 7.
    Do I have this correct? Claeys won 9 games, but wasn't flashy, i.e. didn't have cool catch phrases, so we needed to fire him. PJ Fleck could win only 6 games but has a bunch of cool catch phrases: "Row the Boat", "FAMILY", and "Elite", and says those 600x so he is the next coming of Lou Holtz and therefore we have to lock him down with a mega contract. Love it.

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    I loved that Jay was a local guy...hard worker etc. My only complaint was that is obvious that Smith/Brooks were the most talented weapons we had.....why didn't they get the ball more in space. Those middle screens or flat passes should have been a mainstay, but wasn't.

    Good luck to Jay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNgradinWI View Post
    Your last sentence sums up your lack of intelligence. Bowl committees and people who attend games care who and how you beat people. I was at the Northwestern game. If you were...you would notice how many people were excited about the glorious last second victory of Rutgers.
    Attendance at games on cold November games against the likes of Northwestern are almost entirely based on season ticket sold, no matter how exciting the team. A disappointing attendance for that game was all but guaranteed before kickoff on September 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leftyslefty View Post
    I loved that Jay was a local guy...hard worker etc. My only complaint was that is obvious that Smith/Brooks were the most talented weapons we had.....why didn't they get the ball more in space. Those middle screens or flat passes should have been a mainstay, but wasn't.

    Good luck to Jay.
    It doesn't explain everything but a few times I saw Smith out in space ... open. Someone didn't get him the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hates Monikers View Post
    Attendance at games on cold November games against the likes of Northwestern are almost entirely based on season ticket sold, no matter how exciting the team. A disappointing attendance for that game was all but guaranteed before kickoff on September 1.
    I would agree with this but it never should have been the lowest attended game in TCF history. It was not that cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calm Down View Post
    Do I have this correct? Claeys won 9 games, but wasn't flashy, i.e. didn't have cool catch phrases, so we needed to fire him. PJ Fleck could win only 6 games but has a bunch of cool catch phrases: "Row the Boat", "FAMILY", and "Elite", and says those 600x so he is the next coming of Lou Holtz and therefore we have to lock him down with a mega contract. Love it.
    I'll say this. The Gophers had 9 wins this year, I am 33 years old, so by all accounts it was one of the best seasons in my lifetime. Not comparing him to Fleck at all or even saying it was on the coaches, there was absolutely zero buzz or excitement in the stadium all season long. The Iowa game was a total snoozefest and most of the other games were pretty boring. There were parts of many games where I found myself walking around the stadium and not watching. I don't know who is to blame, the coach? the QB? Lack of catch phrases?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNgradinWI View Post
    I would agree with this but it never should have been the lowest attended game in TCF history. It was not that cold.
    The problem with the cold (plus unattractive opponent, at least to the casual fan), is that you will not get many, if any walk-up sales. You're only getting season ticket holders and nothing more. Now, that doesn't apply to when we're playing Wisconsin in November. But most cold November games will be like this. Northwestern this year. Illinois last year.

    Let's check season ticket sales throughout TCF history. I don't know this for a fact, but I think last year was the lowest we've had in the stadium. That's why it was the lowest-attended game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNgradinWI View Post
    Your last sentence sums up your lack of intelligence. Bowl committees and people who attend games care who and how you beat people. I was at the Northwestern game. If you were...you would notice how many people were excited about the glorious last second victory of Rutgers.
    Do you really think close wins to bad teams is why our attendance stinks? If so, that's bizarre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNgradinWI View Post
    I would agree with this but it never should have been the lowest attended game in TCF history. It was not that cold.
    What more can a coach do but win games?

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    It seems like there would only ever be consensus if we won all the games.... or none.

    Anywhere in between and it is the end times as far as agreeing on anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_Loblaw View Post
    What more can a coach do but win games?
    Win more games, specifically against Penn St, Iowa, or Nebraska.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_Loblaw View Post
    Do you really think close wins to bad teams is why our attendance stinks? If so, that's bizarre.
    Yes Bob, I don't think it is the only thing but it does. Gopher fans are fair weather for sure. Our media rips apart every single aspect of the games too. If we squeak by bad teams, they will get ripped to shreds in the paper despite winning. I am not speaking of the fans on here but the casual fan absolutely cares because the media is all they see and hear.

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