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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold Vision View Post
    Link?
    You can google it for yourself, he gave an interview post-boycott in the parking lot and referred to the alleged victim as a victim of sexual assault.

    If she's a victim. . . they are rapists.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_Loblaw View Post
    You can google it for yourself, he gave an interview post-boycott in the parking lot and referred to the alleged victim as a victim of sexual assault.

    If she's a victim. . . they are rapists.
    So there are not other forms of sexual assault? Only rape?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold Vision View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnyboy18 View Post
    He doesn't have one.
    Or you guys could follow the story instead of just eating what the media feeds you. The U has referred to the girl as a "victim of sexual assault". The public labels her "a survivor". Anyone can see they have been labeled rapists.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherWeatherGuy View Post
    So there are not other forms of sexual assault? Only rape?
    but does the average person make that distinction? If you were identified publicly as a suspect in a sexual assault, I suspect the vast majority of people (who are not following every detail of the case) hear the term "sexual assault" and they think rape. And, if a public official - say the President of a major university - publicly referred to the woman in the case as the "victim," I suspect many people would take that as a tacit indictment that the incident happened and you are guilty - i.e. making you a "rapist" in the eyes of the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoofin View Post
    Or you guys could follow the story instead of just eating what the media feeds you. The U has referred to the girl as a "victim of sexual assault". The public labels her "a survivor". Anyone can see they have been labeled rapists.


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    There certainly is perverse result when a school says a sexual assault occurred, presents a list of names of specific people associated with it at various levels / some proposed punishments.... but they can't say anything because of privacy....


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    The timing of the hearings makes perfect sense. Disclaimer: this post is totally unrelated to any victims or sexual assaults/rapes (purely football related). This will allow the players to get answers as to their future in a U of M uniform as well as let Fleck know where he stands before signing day. The players can take a few days after the final decision by the board to look at their future. Somewhat related to that, Fleck is said to have 28 scholarships to work with. Does anyone definitively know whether that includes players recommended for suspension or expulsion? I'm assuming not and he has a ton of open scholarships. That would explain why there are so many offers out and new targets every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Slab_of_Bacon View Post
    Not sure transferring gets them in the clear.... other schools might not look kindly on that.
    whether you are suspended for any reason at school a doesn't matter to school b (with the exception of the same school system, like mnscu).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoofin View Post
    Or you guys could follow the story instead of just eating what the media feeds you. The U has referred to the girl as a "victim of sexual assault". The public labels her "a survivor". Anyone can see they have been labeled rapists.


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    Oh no the big bad main stream media is manipulating me right? Would you rather them label her the 'accuser'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparlimb View Post
    whether you are suspended for any reason at school a doesn't matter to school b (with the exception of the same school system, like mnscu).
    I belive at least as far as athletics a couple conferences have put some rules in place covering eligibility to play sports if they were punished elsewhere.

    Let alone the informal issue of "man I don't want to get **** for playing that guy".

    It seems like if they're gonna bolt taking care of business here would be in their interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnyboy18 View Post
    Oh no the big bad main stream media is manipulating me right? Would you rather them label her the 'accuser'?
    Accuser is accurate.
    Victim has not been proven.
    Yes, I would. So should you.


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    A thousand reported assaults on the U campus and zero prosecutions. Let's start with Bob and due process. Go ahead, Bob. Grace us with your wisdom as an attorney. Maybe start with police procedural failure. Maybe, follow up with how the EEOA is ill suited to be an investigative unit, when the police are so much better at investigating alleged sexual assault, given their track record of zero prosecutions! Maybe police reform is better than U procedures. If we were better at police investigation, then, just maybe, the U would not have to lean on the EEOA so much.

    I have searched the web for Kaler speaking about rapists, and the only case I can find is of a completely separate case of a fraternal brother raping a student.

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    I'd suggest we try jury tampering. Money, threats, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoofin View Post
    Accuser is accurate.
    Victim has not been proven.
    Yes, I would. So should you.


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    And who should determine that distinction?

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    No, he didn't say anything about rapists, the entire media did and he did nothing about that.
    AND if he was wanting to protect everyone on campus, then why didn't he step in immediately after the incident first came to his attention and do something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GFBfan View Post
    No, he didn't say anything about rapists, the entire media did and he did nothing about that.
    AND if he was wanting to protect everyone on campus, then why didn't he step in immediately after the incident first came to his attention and do something?
    Kaler is not in charge of external media, who came to their own conclusions. And, what is he to do? Admonish the media? Or, maybe he could just say that they "were not rapists." Now, that would have "cleared" up everything and given nobody justice. And, as for "stepping in", wow, that really would not be necessary given that a whole department handles this work and seem to be running as required for their mission. And, since that mission is not broken, it does not require fixing. Now, that is a fresh perspective.

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