Based on Claeys' tweet tonight, I don't see how Coyle keeps him

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Maximus said:
But they'd line up for the Penn State job after Paterno was canned?

Matt Rhule could've landed a much better job than Baylor's.

Al Golden took the Miami job knowing the NCAA was in the middle of an investigation.
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Penn State, Baylor, Miami. All programs with much better prospects to win than here. Also, the way in which this was handled with apparent lack of communication between administrators and the program demonstrates inherent dysfunction that no one wants to be a part of.



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I agree with WorkingMyTailOff, and I would add that Claeys actually should probably know everything that happened, if he already doesn't. To my knowledge the way these privacy issues work is that you become "in the know" on an issue if it directly affects your ability to do your job as written by your FERPA-adhering entity. And in this case, I think now that knowing the entire story directly affects his ability to do his job.

What would add another huge wrinkle to this, is if TC DOES already know, and is choosing to act the way he has acted on twitter.
 

1967 2.0 said:
Penn State, Baylor, Miami. All programs with much better prospects to win than here. Also, the way in which this was handled with apparent lack of communication between administrators and the program demonstrates inherent dysfunction that no one wants to be a part of.
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Baylor had a recruiting class of ONE when Rhule accepted the job. Had a senior admin official arrested for roughing up a reporter last month. Cleaned house following a sex scandal. And must compete against Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Houston, Texas Tech and Texas A&M.
 

If this turns out doing real damage to the football program, it will be very bad for the U as a whole despite the fact there are the football haters that will rejoice.

The ramifications will be farther reaching then we can picture right now. Consider the state angle: the taxpayers recently provided the bulk of the funding for the stadium. You think there won't be a bunch of folks in the legislature (now controlled by Republicans) that won't want to know why that investment has been squandered? And who also control much of the U's funding? I doubt they are fans of the Title IX witch hunt.
 


WorkingMyTailOff said:
I really think the best option here is for Kaler and Coyle to be on the same page and meet with Claeys this morning to say something to the effect of, "we can't tell you everything that our investigation uncovered, but you have to trust us that this punishment is just, and we need you to get behind us and get your coaches and as many players on board. If you don't we are prepared to let your entire staff go and keep the current suspensions in place even if it means missing the bowl game."
It really is a lose lose, but the administration cannot cave on this. Either way it is going to take a while to rebuild the fanbase and possibly the talent on this team after this.
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I actually expect something like this to happen. I wouldn't be totally surprised to see the U issue it's own statement today saying they r pulling out of the holiday bowl given the circumstance. The U can't, and won't, back down on this. Regarding Clayes, I think he sealed his fate last night with that tweet of support. I think the only way he stays is if he gets back in line with the U administration and somehow gets most of the kids back on board. Short of that, he is gone.


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Maximus said:
Baylor had a recruiting class of ONE when Rhule accepted the job. Had a senior admin official arrested for roughing up a reporter last month. Cleaned house following a sex scandal. And must compete against Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Houston, Texas Tech and Texas A&M.
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Baylor has the ability to rebound much faster than the U of M-for several reasons. It really doesn't matter much. Administration will not change their stance because they can't. IMO you will see an exodus of players along with the coach. Probably in January.


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St. Thomas coach dust off your resume!


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Dean S said:
If the President does not support the EOAA and its conclusions, only then will their jobs be in jeopardy. The student code of conduct on this matter appears very clearly to have been violated. Case closed.
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The student code of conduct is violated daily by thousands of U of M students and millions of students across the USA...every time a 19 year old has a drink they violate the student code of conduct.
 



hungan1 said:
You are not concerned about the miscarriage of justice against those players not involved whose reputations are ruined? I applaud the players and the coaches standing side by side. Not for those who committed the sexual acts, but for fairness. Throw the books on African American football players, but spare the drug dealing wrestling team members who are most likely all white.

What recourse do they have when no one wants to hear their plea?

It is ironic that the EOAA can give what appears to be racially biased draconian "recommendations" with no oversight in ruining athletes lives and reputations without due process.

I think this may a good Supreme Court case if a legal challenge ever comes forward.
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Of course I'm concerned about it. And it's not racially-based injustice. It's gender-based. Blacks, whites, Hispanics...men of all races have had their lives turned upside down by this kangaroo court process on campuses around the country. But no, I don't think players should be able to go on strike whenever they perceive an injustice. I can't believe people don't see the can of worms that such a precedent opens.
 

How many times has someone declared that Claeys surely will be gone because of X this year?
 

GopherinPhilly said:
The student code of conduct is violated daily by thousands of U of M students and millions of students across the USA...every time a 19 year old has a drink they violate the student code of conduct.
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You are correct and when caught they face the music to some extent either legally or by the school.
 




Great Plains Gopher said:
Excellent observation - to my knowledge, no one else has mentioned this.
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No one has mentioned it because it's BS. Teague had no history of sexual harassment or anything of the sort when he was hired here. I guess Kaler was supposed to have his crystal ball ready and foresee what would happen in the future.
 


dpodoll68 said:
No one has mentioned it because it's BS. Teague had no history of sexual harassment or anything of the sort when he was hired here. I guess Kaler was supposed to have his crystal ball ready and foresee what would happen in the future.
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Yup, and he tossed MEGATOUNGE effectively as soon as they found out.... that's about as good as you can do.
 

ProfessorBum said:
I get that some people are applauding Claeys for supporting his players in the face of injustice. But I will absolutely hate it if the players are permitted to dictate the actions of the administration (even if the admin is wrong). I hated it when it was done at Mizzou. I thought Pinkel should have been fired on the spot and all the players scholarships yanked if they didn't report to practice immediately. I feel the same way now.
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Wrong....
 

Maximus said:
Baylor had a recruiting class of ONE when Rhule accepted the job. Had a senior admin official arrested for roughing up a reporter last month. Cleaned house following a sex scandal. And must compete against Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Houston, Texas Tech and Texas A&M.
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I think a huge distinction between the U's situation & those are those is the support of the administration. Bill O'Brien/James Franklin/Golden, etc., most likely felt that they had the support of the administration when they took the job. Perhaps the admin at Miami should have been a little more understanding of Golden's situation, but I'm guessing Golden felt he had their support.

I do think a lot of coaches would be weary of taking a job here, considering what the coaches feel regarding the administration support level. Obviously SOMEBODY would take the job, but I would bet it's more someone looking for an opportunity. The U has dug themselves on heck of a mess.
 

Dean S said:
If the President does not support the EOAA and its conclusions, only then will their jobs be in jeopardy. The student code of conduct on this matter appears very clearly to have been violated. Case closed. Goodbye football players. As for the team unity spiel, I could not find it more pathetic and misplaced in terms of an honor code. If the program has to be suspended to clear out the riff raff, I am 100% okay with that. In fact, I recommend that we suspend football operations for a year or two. That is how I feel about this situation. I am ready to punish the program. And, I do not feel that this is a punishment of the team whatsoever, as long as we honor their scholarships. Football is not the king of the campus. That much has to be clear. If it is not clear, then the suspension of operations makes even more sense to make the point even more self evident.

I, a long time football fan of the U, endorse this in the course of reason. It isn't the administration that takes this view. I take this view.
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Blow me ....
 


Coyle hired the last football coach at Syracuse before he left for the U...not looking fwd to his judement based on these scores.

Fri, Sep 2
vs
Colgate
W 7 - 33
Final
Fri, Sep 9
vs
Louisville
L 62 - 28
Final
Sat, Sep 17
vs
South Florida
L 45 - 20
Final
Sat, Sep 24
@
Connecticut
W 31 - 24
Final
Sat, Oct 1
vs
Notre Dame
L 50 - 33
Final
Sat, Oct 8
@
Wake Forest
L 9 - 28
Final
Sat, Oct 15
vs
Virginia Tech
W 17 - 31
Final
Sat, Oct 22
@
Boston College
W 28 - 20
Final
Sat, Nov 5
@
Clemson
L 0 - 54
Final
Sat, Nov 12 vs North Carolina State L 35 - 20 Final
Sat, Nov 19 vs Florida State L 45 - 14 Final
Sat, Nov 26 @ Pittsburgh L 61 - 76 Final
 

WoodburyTim said:
Claeys might get fired or forced out over this, but sometimes you simply have to do what is right.

Deep down Kaler knows what is right here too, but he has taken the other path. This is going to do wonders for his career. In the world of academia, ignoring individual rights and due process in favor of the bowing to the PC overlords is a pretty big feather in your hat. This could get him a post at an Ivy League school.
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I would assume Kaler does have all the facts which you do not so you have no idea if "he has taken the other path." A lot of posters taking the position that they know all the same facts the University Administration does.
 

Dean S said:
If the President does not support the EOAA and its conclusions, only then will their jobs be in jeopardy. The student code of conduct on this matter appears very clearly to have been violated. Case closed. Goodbye football players. As for the team unity spiel, I could not find it more pathetic and misplaced in terms of an honor code. If the program has to be suspended to clear out the riff raff, I am 100% okay with that. In fact, I recommend that we suspend football operations for a year or two. That is how I feel about this situation. I am ready to punish the program. And, I do not feel that this is a punishment of the team whatsoever, as long as we honor their scholarships. Football is not the king of the campus. That much has to be clear. If it is not clear, then the suspension of operations makes even more sense to make the point even more self evident.

I, a long time football fan of the U, endorse this in the course of reason. It isn't the administration that takes this view. I take this view.
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Not all 10 of the suspended players took part in the activity's on 09/03/16 but because they are named as witnesses and left at least three (they get their reputations permanently damaged. Some of them are being punished for things they could not have for seen or prevented. The fact that underage recruits were on the premise doesn't make this look good for the football program or it's leadership in the AD.
 

ProfessorBum said:
Of course I'm concerned about it. And it's not racially-based injustice. It's gender-based. Blacks, whites, Hispanics...men of all races have had their lives turned upside down by this kangaroo court process on campuses around the country. But no, I don't think players should be able to go on strike whenever they perceive an injustice. I can't believe people don't see the can of worms that such a precedent opens.
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Yes people shouldn't have a right to stop working...how stalinesque of you
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Yup, and he tossed MEGATOUNGE effectively as soon as they found out.... that's about as good as you can do.
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To much blind belief that Kaler wasn't aware of some of Teagues activity's and unprofessional behavior prior to the text messages incident that got him fired. There were rumblings of complaints about abuse of power in the AD, retaliation against subordinates, comments by that assistant AD of basketball and the sharing of porn on the phone. Teague and his buddy running that personal business conference entity out of the U.
The handling of the firing of the W basketball coach with a 30 second phone call. TCF usage for that MLB concert and suites usage, inappropriate affection with colleagues, comments even before the firing went down. Kaler was neither immune to Teagues activity's or insulated from them, he wasn't directly responsible but he sure didn't proactively do anything to change the culture that Teague was perpetuating while here in charge of the AD.
 

GG Allen said:
The money involved with college football is peanuts compared to the overall budget of the University. And the Big Ten isn't going to punish the U for enforcing Title IX.
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Except no more athletic budget to fund everyone else. You really think they can remain relevant without a football program?

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Dean S said:
If the President does not support the EOAA and its conclusions, only then will their jobs be in jeopardy. The student code of conduct on this matter appears very clearly to have been violated. Case closed. Goodbye football players. As for the team unity spiel, I could not find it more pathetic and misplaced in terms of an honor code. If the program has to be suspended to clear out the riff raff, I am 100% okay with that. In fact, I recommend that we suspend football operations for a year or two. That is how I feel about this situation. I am ready to punish the program. And, I do not feel that this is a punishment of the team whatsoever, as long as we honor their scholarships. Football is not the king of the campus. That much has to be clear. If it is not clear, then the suspension of operations makes even more sense to make the point even more self evident.

I, a long time football fan of the U, endorse this in the course of reason. It isn't the administration that takes this view. I take this view.
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You are seriously messed up. "punish the program" ? Lets see, there are 75 players that had not one darn thing to do with this nuke going off. Probably another 50 across the university whose live are directly impacted. --- Someone at your place of work will be fired for XXX, we should fire everyone. This way we make a point that the company isn't very important to our community. Your a nut job!
 

GopherinPhilly said:
Yes people shouldn't have a right to stop working...how stalinesque of you
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Lol. I'm the Stalinist. Right. I don't know what kind of job you have, but if I decide to not show up to work, I get fired. That's Milton Friedman, not Stalin. Go back to school.

When I went to the U of M, I paid full tuition. Players on the other hand received scholarships. That's fine...because we had a deal. They get free tuition and expenses paid while I pay full amount; in exchange, they represent my school playing football and I'm entertained. A lot of non-sports fans think that's a lousy bargain, but I was okay with it. I'm not okay with them failing to live up to their side of the bargain. People have jobs at the Holiday bowl that rely on this game being played. People, whose only luxary in life is an occasional sporting event, have spent hard-earned money to see this game. The U of M was extended an invitation in good faith to play. Now these players, who have frankly underperformed all season long, are holding the U of M, fans, spectators, WSU, and the Holiday Bowl hostage. Not acceptable.
 

gopherdudepart2 said:
To much blind belief that Kaler wasn't aware of some of Teagues activity's and unprofessional behavior prior to the text messages incident that got him fired. There were rumblings of complaints about abuse of power in the AD, retaliation against subordinates, comments by that assistant AD of basketball and the sharing of porn on the phone. Teague and his buddy running that personal business conference entity out of the U.
The handling of the firing of the W basketball coach with a 30 second phone call. TCF usage for that MLB concert and suites usage, inappropriate affection with colleagues, comments even before the firing went down. Kaler was neither immune to Teagues activity's or insulated from them, he wasn't directly responsible but he sure didn't proactively do anything to change the culture that Teague was perpetuating while here in charge of the AD.
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I don't see anything that indicates he knew...
 

1967 2.0 said:
Claeys tweet seems to me like someone trying to save his roster and recruits. It also seems that he is not necessarily aligned with his boss as the players insinuated. Not a good spot to be in...
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You are pretty cynical, I say Claeys tweet means what it says, he supports his players, in situations like this you go with your gut, you don't sell out those that work with or for you, those that are you friends, you support them regardless of what the consensus is, I applaud the players for doing what they believe is right and I am 100% behind whatever they decide.

There are things that are more important than a football team, player, or season, if you are on the wrong side then there are those that should suffer the consequences, but that doesn't mean you don't support them.

There is more going on here than meets the eye, my guess is both the female student and football players are victims, as it is playing out probably on equal footings.
 

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