***Wanted: Update on restraining orders...who is still not allowed to play at TCF?

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So, last I heard, Thomas was the only one released from the restraining order and allowed to play at TCF stadium...below is an update I pulled from on-line but I'd like to know if any 'insiders' from this discussion board has any other insight into what might happen during this week...I'm all ears!

Freshman defensive back Kiondre Thomas was removed from the restraining order by the attorney for the woman who filed it, the document said. The case for the five other players — KiAnte Hardin, Ray Buford, Tamarion Johnson, Carlton Djam and Dior Johnson — will go before Judge Mel Dickstein at 9 a.m. Tuesday
 

Your own comment answers your question. The case goes to a judge on Tuesday at 9 AM. Should probably wait until at least 9:01 AM to ask for an update...
 

The judge has promised a decsion by Friday at the latest with Thursday likely.
 

nsmike said:
The judge has promised a decsion by Friday at the latest with Thursday likely.
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Assuming we have to wait until Thursday or Friday for a decision, who gets the most reps with the first team this week?
 

bottlebass said:
Your own comment answers your question. The case goes to a judge on Tuesday at 9 AM. Should probably wait until at least 9:01 AM to ask for an update...
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And be sure to start a new thread when you ask. Can't be bothered to look through the existing ones. How else can we help the OP?


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Spoofin said:
And be sure to start a new thread when you ask. Can't be bothered to look through the existing ones. How else can we help the OP?


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He may want to start one for each individual player too so there is no confusion.
 

bottlebass said:
Your own comment answers your question. The case goes to a judge on Tuesday at 9 AM. Should probably wait until at least 9:01 AM to ask for an update...
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This.
 

bottlebass said:
Your own comment answers your question. The case goes to a judge on Tuesday at 9 AM. Should probably wait until at least 9:01 AM to ask for an update...
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Clarification for the board here...key word in my post was insight meaning does anyone have any FURTHER info or deeper understanding to this complicated legal issue and possible result based upon the facts provided to date. Hence, I was looking for ADDITIONAL information aside from what I posted which a few of you were able to understand and respond with-I applaud you! Cheers!
 

Ruggers said:
Clarification for the board here...key word in my post was insight meaning does anyone have any FURTHER info or deeper understanding to this complicated legal issue and possible result based upon the facts provided to date. Hence, I was looking for ADDITIONAL information aside from what I posted which a few of you were able to understand and respond with-I applaud you! Cheers!
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You have to wait until Tuesday at 9 AM. This really isn't that hard.
 



The attorney for the players, Lee Huttton, had been preparing for possible charges, so he already had most of what he needed to go to court. There are two possible defenses, the assault never occurred, making the accuser ineligible for a restraining order. The other is that TCF stadium should be removed from the order because of lack of interaction at that location. It's also possible that the RO could be modified restricting the players to limited areas of the stadium ie; the field, locker room and training room, except when moving as a team entering and leaving the stadium.
 

Ruggers said:
Clarification for the board here...key word in my post was insight meaning does anyone have any FURTHER info or deeper understanding to this complicated legal issue and possible result based upon the facts provided to date. Hence, I was looking for ADDITIONAL information aside from what I posted which a few of you were able to understand and respond with-I applaud you! Cheers!
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You might want to wait until Tuesday. Like everyone else. Including the players. There's your update.
 


Actually, I have secret information about the case that nobody else has access to. But I'm not going to tell you.

I also have all of Hillary's missing e-mails, and Trump's tax returns.
 



short ornery norwegian said:
Actually, I have secret information about the case that nobody else has access to. But I'm not going to tell you.

I also have all of Hillary's missing e-mails, and Trump's tax returns.
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I wouldn't joke about that, I'd hate to see you died in some nondescript way.
 

Ruggers said:
Clarification for the board here...key word in my post was insight meaning does anyone have any FURTHER info or deeper understanding to this complicated legal issue and possible result based upon the facts provided to date. Hence, I was looking for ADDITIONAL information aside from what I posted which a few of you were able to understand and respond with-I applaud you! Cheers!
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Clarification for the board...When I suggested Ruggers not start a new thread on this subject what I meant was that it is lazy and annoying for him to start a new thread because he didn't want to read through the existing one. I applaud those of you that understood that.


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nsmike said:
The attorney for the players, Lee Huttton, had been preparing for possible charges, so he already had most of what he needed to go to court. There are two possible defenses, the assault never occurred, making the accuser ineligible for a restraining order. The other is that TCF stadium should be removed from the order because of lack of interaction at that location. It's also possible that the RO could be modified restricting the players to limited areas of the stadium ie; the field, locker room and training room, except when moving as a team entering and leaving the stadium.
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If these guys caused grievous harm to the woman, they should be treated accordingly. That said, I think the restraining order is probably too broad right now unless she is on the sidelines with the team in some capacity.
 

And my initial thought was.."why is that guy acting like such a d!ck?" The OP doesn't have that many posts and probably just wants to find a way to participate and fit in. I've had an account here for years, I almost never post but I read at least daily. I just don't understand why you'd act like such a jerk to a new member of your fan club.

Basically you're saying he's to lazy to read the previous post so shame on him, but meanwhile you act like its some kind of chore for you to click on a link. Who's the lazy one? The guy that types up a post asking a very innocent and valid question or the guy that equates clicking a link with a huge time wasting effort.

So sorry he wasted your time Your Highness.

Spoofin said:
Clarification for the board...When I suggested Ruggers not start a new thread on this subject what I meant was that it is lazy and annoying for him to start a new thread because he didn't want to read through the existing one. I applaud those of you that understood that.


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LaXGoph said:
And my initial thought was.."why is that guy acting like such a d!ck?" The OP doesn't have that many posts and probably just wants to find a way to participate and fit in. I've had an account here for years, I almost never post but I read at least daily. I just don't understand why you'd act like such a jerk to a new member of your fan club.

Basically you're saying he's to lazy to read the previous post so shame on him, but meanwhile <b>you act like its some kind of chore for you to click on a link. </b>Who's the lazy one? The guy that types up a post asking a very innocent and valid question or <b>the guy that equates clicking a link with a huge time wasting effort. </b>

So sorry he wasted your time Your Highness.
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I love the rant but have no clue what link you are referring to?


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Ruggers said:
So, last I heard, Thomas was the only one released from the restraining order and allowed to play at TCF stadium...below is an update I pulled from on-line but I'd like to know if any 'insiders' from this discussion board has any other insight into what might happen during this week...I'm all ears!

Freshman defensive back Kiondre Thomas was removed from the restraining order by the attorney for the woman who filed it, the document said. The case for the five other players — KiAnte Hardin, Ray Buford, Tamarion Johnson, Carlton Djam and Dior Johnson — will go before Judge Mel Dickstein at 9 a.m. Tuesday
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Update as of 1:01pm today 11/1....and no links to click on this time for some of you loyal GH's

An attorney for five University of Minnesota players wants a judge to throw out restraining orders filed against his clients, arguing that their due process rights have been violated.

An alleged victim of a Sept. 2 incident petitioned to keep Ray Buford, KiAnte Hardin, Tamarion Johnson, Dior Johnson and Carlton Djam from TCF Bank Stadium, where she takes part in the university's gameday operations, as well as her apartment.

The attorney for the players, Lee Hutton, said the orders against his clients were unconstitutional because they were not allowed to challenge the restrictions before a judge signed off on them.

"The order was issued without any evidence presented," Hutton told Judge Mel Dickstein during a hearing Tuesday morning. "Due process requires adequate notice and the opportunity to be heard."

He said Minnesota's laws pertaining to issuing harassment orders is "unconstitutional on its face."

Minnesota's law allows a judge to issue a temporary restraining order if there are "reasonable grounds" to believe the person accused "has engaged in harassment." The accused is then provided by an opportunity to challenge the order in court.

The players will challenge the restraining order filed against them during a hearing scheduled to begin at 9 a.m. Wednesday in Hennepin County Court.

The attorney for the alleged victim of the Sept. 2 incident, Amy Isenor, said declaring restraining orders unconstitutional "would have a chilling effect."

Judge Dickstein said he would issue a decision on Hutton's challenge by the end of Tuesday.
 

Ruggers said:
Update as of 1:01pm today 11/1....and no links to click on this time for some of you loyal GH's

An attorney for five University of Minnesota players wants a judge to throw out restraining orders filed against his clients, arguing that their due process rights have been violated.

An alleged victim of a Sept. 2 incident petitioned to keep Ray Buford, KiAnte Hardin, Tamarion Johnson, Dior Johnson and Carlton Djam from TCF Bank Stadium, where she takes part in the university's gameday operations, as well as her apartment.

The attorney for the players, Lee Hutton, said the orders against his clients were unconstitutional because they were not allowed to challenge the restrictions before a judge signed off on them.

"The order was issued without any evidence presented," Hutton told Judge Mel Dickstein during a hearing Tuesday morning. "Due process requires adequate notice and the opportunity to be heard."

He said Minnesota's laws pertaining to issuing harassment orders is "unconstitutional on its face."

Minnesota's law allows a judge to issue a temporary restraining order if there are "reasonable grounds" to believe the person accused "has engaged in harassment." The accused is then provided by an opportunity to challenge the order in court.

The players will challenge the restraining order filed against them during a hearing scheduled to begin at 9 a.m. Wednesday in Hennepin County Court.

The attorney for the alleged victim of the Sept. 2 incident, Amy Isenor, said declaring restraining orders unconstitutional "would have a chilling effect."

Judge Dickstein said he would issue a decision on Hutton's challenge by the end of Tuesday.
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Uh-oh. This is a losing argument that has been brought up before and has never (to my knowledge) been effective.

Like in Law School, if you ever start making a Public Policy argument, you're almost certainly going to lose.
 


CurveballJesus said:
Uh-oh. This is a losing argument that has been brought up before and has never (to my knowledge) been effective.

Like in Law School, if you ever start making a Public Policy argument, you're almost certainly going to lose.
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Agreed- Hutton should have removed his giant sized ego from the situation and gotten someone much more adept in this part of the judicial world to help the kids. Have a feeling this will not end well from a football perspective. Whether the penalty is deserved is something none of us can answer.


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Hutton may have a point in regards to the work location when both parties work there. It's a flat loser when it comes to the girls home/apartment. There should be a process to access the degree of interaction in a work situation and determine the least intrusive restrictions consistant with protecting the victim.
 

CurveballJesus said:
Uh-oh. This is a losing argument that has been brought up before and has never (to my knowledge) been effective.

Like in Law School, if you ever start making a Public Policy argument, you're almost certainly going to lose.
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What do you suppose Hutton should be doing?
 

nsmike said:
Hutton may have a point in regards to the work location when both parties work there. It's a flat loser when it comes to the girls home/apartment. There should be a process to access the degree of interaction in a work situation and determine the least intrusive restrictions consistant with protecting the victim.
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This is the one area where it would seem like there would have to be a way that something could get worked out. I know the players are not technically employees but for all intensive purposes they are and the stadium is where they work. Maybe through the use of a police escort or some other form of protection the players would be allowed to play while still ensuring that the order is enforced.

Of course I have zero legal training of any kind so have no clue if something like that is even possible in a case like this.
 

MNVCGUY said:
This is the one area where it would seem like there would have to be a way that something could get worked out. I know the players are not technically employees but for all intensive purposes they are and the stadium is where they work. Maybe through the use of a police escort or some other form of protection the players would be allowed to play while still ensuring that the order is enforced.

Of course I have zero legal training of any kind so have no clue if something like that is even possible in a case like this.
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Is the restraining order intended to protect the potential victim from physical harm only or is potential emotional harm a part of the equation? Meaning in this situation there is probably no chance of any physical harm to her at the stadium, but could the judge keep the restraining order because he may feel just her having to be around the players could cause emotional harm?
 


seems like an aggressive move. perhaps the thought is go for the whole shebang and retract to a negotiation somewhere in the middle behind closed doors?
 

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