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everybody knows my name said:
I'm still waiting to see the game replayed on TV (I'll be waiting a long time, right?) but the radio crew said Streveler threw the ball okay and the receivers were at fault for drops. Were they wrong?
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​Scheduled to be shown from midnight to 3:00am tonight. Guess there will really be some editing on this one. :)

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EG#9 said:
I agree with most of the original post, but I have serious doubts that the running game displayed today is repeatable against real competition.
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Well, since only two Big Ten opponents last year, Nebraska and Indiana, allowed the Gophers over 200 yards rushing and no conference opponents allowed over 300 yards rushing, I would say your doubts are extremely well founded.

Critics of the pessimism expressed about the offense keep saying "What does it matter what we do as long as we win?" But, if you can't duplicate the same rushing performances in conference and you have a negligible passing game to this point of the season, then it does indeed matter.
 

cjbfbp said:
Well, since only two Big Ten opponents last year, Nebraska and Indiana, allowed the Gophers over 200 yards rushing and no conference opponents allowed over 300 yards rushing, I would say your doubts are extremely well founded.

Critics of the pessimism expressed about the offense keep saying "What does it matter what we do as long as we win?" But, if you can't duplicate the same rushing performances in conference and you have a negligible passing game to this point of the season, then it does indeed matter.
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If not for turnovers, TCU could have looked much different.
Yes I'd like a better pass attack, but protecting the ball and having a chance to win in the 4th also works for me.
 

Both QBs should have been given a lot more passing to do in the non-con schedule. We'll pay a price for that.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
I would say he had some poor throws, but he had other throws that were on-target and the ball was dropped or the d-backs made good plays. on the long throw to Maye, the d-back timed his move and chopped Maye's arms right after the ball got there, so I don't give Maye all the blame on that ball.
There were a couple of throws that were on-target, but delivered just a little bit too late, allowing the d-backs to close on the ball and make plays.

Bottom line, Streveler seems to throw a decent spiral, and has a fairly quick (short-arm) release. I think the issues (problems) are correctable. I don't think he's ever going to be a 250-300 yds/game passer, but he can be serviceable.
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Drew was clearly mauled prior to a ball arriving on one throw and one DB had a hold of Donovahn's jersey and was pulling it away from his body, although he may not have caught up to the ball, he was going to beat his man by yards. I don't think the refs were going to call much of this anyway and there was a lot of hands on receivers on both sides yesterday. As Ice put it, the refs "were interesting" :rolleyes:
 


I have feeling that the offense might struggle in the BT meetings. mods: is this ok to post? i see how most of my posts where i type 'i told ya mitch is not starting BT qb' get deleted.
 

As a Gopher fan I'm so sick of this story...

I can see it now... Streveler starts at QB & we're all excited cuz Leidner looked like trash. Halfway through the first quarter all we see is bad passes, underthrown routes & near misses from Strev & now fans are nervous. The golden boy might not be the hero. Midway through the 4th Quarter after his 3rd turnover Strev is benched for Mitch & now we're just all down because it's clear once again we have no QB.

But wait... what's this? Mitch is throwing perfect darts... completing passes on the run, calling his own number & moving the Offense nearly at will & we see GREAT optimism out of Gopher fans wondering if we would've beaten Michigan (or insert Wisconsin or Iowa) had Leidner started.

We lose but its a "moral victory" & we now have some Offense to look forward too with Mitch's newfound confidence. So onto the next game where midway through the 3rd we're calling for Mitch's head after yet another turnover & having only completed 6 passes on the day we're back at square one. Kill benches Mitch for Streveler & here it is once again, every Gopher season since Adam Weber & Marquis Gray were here...

Seriously, this has happened nearly every year since 2008 wth???
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Kill said in post game that SJSU played their safety deep allowing us to run the ball and QB. They never changed at the half and there was no reason to throw the ball. There were a couple drops in there. Streveler played very good for his first start.
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Agreed. Streveler did what was asked of him, got the win, and allowed injured players to heal. Take away some fairly bad drops and he was 4-7 with 1 TD. There'd be no bitching about that.
 

Vandy said:
Agreed. Streveler did what was asked of him, got the win, and allowed injured players to heal. Take away some fairly bad drops and he was 4-7 with 1 TD. There'd be no bitching about that.
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Where is this coming from? Watched the game again and it's just not true. There was maybe 1 ball that was dropped. The others were well defended or badly thrown. Even on the End Zone pass that everyone says was a flat-out drop, the DB was pulling his arm down right as ball got there.

That said, if they complete 2-3 more passes then sure, the discussion goes from "but we have NO passing game" to "we didn't need one."

Anybody who constantly harps on the later must not have been here last year or has a very short memory.

Last year after the Non-Conference Schedule Gopher Fans kept repeating "we don't NEED a Passing Game" while the rest country said "you don't HAVE one". We didn't. Iowa and Michigan proved that.

After those to losses the Gophers went 4-3. They won the games when they had a decent passing game, they lost the rest.

Here's to finding one earlier this year. :drink:
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Iceland12 said:
- Gophers ran the ball very well.
- The Defense looked good.
- The Refs had an "interesting" game.
- The P.A. guy told us that a dangerous weather situation was coming, but please stay "in attendance".
- The passing game was (fill in a negative term) then make it worse.
- We won. SJSU lost.
- Michigan looks awful.
- On to the Big House.
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- Just watched the 4th Quarter "Incompletion or Fumble" by the San Jose QB. Wish we would have saw that replay in the Stadium.
 

Iceland12 said:
Where is this coming from? Watched the game again and it's just not true. There was maybe 1 ball that was dropped. The others were well defended or badly thrown. Even on the End Zone pass that everyone says was a flat-out drop, the DB was pulling his arm down right as ball got there.

That said, if they complete 2-3 more passes then sure, the discussion goes from "but we have NO passing game" to "we didn't need one."

Anybody who constantly harps on the later must not have been here last year or has a very short memory.

Last year after the Non-Conference Schedule Gopher Fans kept repeating "we don't NEED a Passing Game" while the rest country said "you don't HAVE one". We didn't. Iowa and Michigan proved that.

After those to losses the Gophers went 4-3. The won the games when they had a decent passing game, they lost the rest.

Here's to finding one earlier this year. :drink:
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Yep, people keep going back to the 4 wins last season and acting like that is justification that the offense was just fine. Bottom line is that if the passing game does not improve in the Big Ten getting back to 4 conference wins is going to be next to impossible. Teams will do to us exactly what TCU did to us and most Big Ten teams will have the personnel to do it.

The part that really amazes me is that the passing attack seems to be getting worse.
 

MNVCGUY said:
...The part that really amazes me is that the passing attack seems to be getting worse.
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It's very frustrating. We seem to be lightyears away from having a competent passing attack. Why can every other team in the nation throw for 200 yards without even trying?

I would love to be a fly on the wall during a Gophers' coaches planning session.
 

Iceland12 said:
After those to losses the Gophers went 4-3. They won the games when they had a decent passing game, they lost the rest.

Here's to finding one earlier this year. :drink:
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At the risk of nit-picking, the three games they lost were also after losing Caleb Bak, J. Christenson, and to an extent D. Engel. That's quite a blow to the offense, and to top that off, MSU and Wisky were (if I'm not mistaken) Top 10 defenses in the NCAA; at least they were against the run anyway.

Point stands though, they'll definitely need to be more efficient and effective throwing the ball. That won't take MUCH and I think they can/will.

As far as Streveler, as I mentioned before, he didn't necessarily throw the ball "poorly", on many of them the issue was more that he was just plain late with the throw. Not many were that far off the mark, he was just late. Understandable for his first start, but he needs to be more confident and make quicker decisions.
 



Iceland12 said:
- Just watched the 4th Quarter "Incompletion or Fumble" by the San Jose QB. Wish we would have saw that replay in the Stadium.
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The replays are reserved for Kiss Cam and other nonsense along with a slew of commercials. The in-game experience SUCKS. The coahing for that game was awful. Too many men on the field? Really? With 20 assistants? Limegrover is the worst OC since Schnelker. How about a little flat pass or an over the middle pass? No, he waits for 3rd and long and then calls for a deep sideline pass. He thinks 2 off tackle runs and a qb draw is being creative. I wish Limegrover would ditch his loyalty. And Klein is such a conditioning genius, why are we always getting so many players hurt? I for one am fed up with this staff. The team looks terrible.
 

Halsey Hall said:
The replays are reserved for Kiss Cam and other nonsense along with a slew of commercials. The in-game experience SUCKS. The coahing for that game was awful. Too many men on the field? Really? With 20 assistants? Limegrover is the worst OC since Schnelker. How about a little flat pass or an over the middle pass? No, he waits for 3rd and long and then calls for a deep sideline pass. He thinks 2 off tackle runs and a qb draw is being creative. I wish Limegrover would ditch his loyalty. And Klein is such a conditioning genius, why are we always getting so many players hurt? I for one am fed up with this staff. The team looks terrible.
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Holy ballz dude, chill. We won the game.

For the record Iceland12, that replay was played at the stadium 3 times from 3 different angles. My dad and I argued about it until they showed the 3rd angle which clearly showed the ball started moving out on the back swing. Not sure how you could have missed those replays.
 

Halsey Hall said:
And Klein is such a conditioning genius, why are we always getting so many players hurt?
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You think Klien should work more on strengthening our player's ACLs? Is that the take here? Or should he have worked more on strengthening Liedner's toe?
 

Spoofin said:
You think Klien should work more on strengthening our player's ACLs? Is that the take here? Or should he have worked more on strengthening Liedner's toe?
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+1 It is too bad that some people need to find somebody to blame when things don't go well. It is not one of the better traits of posters at the GopherHole.
 

Killjoy said:
+1 It is too bad that some people need to find somebody to blame when things don't go well. It is not one of the better traits of posters at the GopherHole.
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if we are blaming anything it should be the Vikings they put this new turf in and look at all the injuries pon both squads
 

bottlebass said:
Holy ballz dude, chill. We won the game.

For the record Iceland12, that replay was played at the stadium 3 times from 3 different angles. My dad and I argued about it until they showed the 3rd angle which clearly showed the ball started moving out on the back swing. Not sure how you could have missed those replays.
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Saw those replays. Didn't see the one that clearing showed what happened, like the one on TV. Just the one that "sort of did".

Not sure how you could be so sensitive. :eek:

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Killjoy said:
+1 It is too bad that some people need to find somebody to blame when things don't go well. It is not one of the better traits of posters at the GopherHole.
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Just a mirror of real life.
 

Iceland12 said:
Saw those replays. Didn't see the one that clearing showed what happened, like the one on TV. Just the one that "sort of did".

Not sure how you could be so sensitive. :eek:

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Nah, I was hoping to bust you for leaving the game when it started raining. Everybody cleared out so fast like they were surprised it was going to rain.... my $1 poncho kept me dry. I have yet to re-watch the game at home. Not sure I will. If we win this week though I'll probably re-watch this game every day for a year.
 

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