do gh righties agree with this governor?

[bga1]

too scared to address the elephant in the room I see.

Speak it out clearly Brew. What would you like me to address? I'm certain I am willing to address the elephant you speak of.

[Brew_recruit]

If Abortion is baby murder in your eyes, how can you support Mitt Romney who when he ran for Senate, and won as Governor ran as a pro choice candidate. He supported baby murder. So you are saying that 6 years is all it takes to be absolved from baby murder. Would you vote for Joran vandeer slut in 2020 if he won the R nom, because now he is against murdering woman?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDsyKnQIes

[bga1]

If Abortion is baby murder in your eyes, how can you support Mitt Romney who when he ran for Senate, and won as Governor ran as a pro choice candidate. He supported baby murder. So you are saying that 6 years is all it takes to be absolved from baby murder. Would you vote for Joran vandeer slut in 2020 if he won the R nom, because now he is against murdering woman?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDsyKnQIes

The switch on abortion certainly was part of my hesitation with Romney. I was an anybody but Romney guy in the primary season- if you will recall. Now I have a choice between Romney a guy who says he's changed his mind on that issue and who is at least talking conservatively and Obama a guy who supported late term abortion and who is an all in pro-abortion socialist. That's pretty easy- I'll vote Romney as a huge upgrade.

[jamiche]

I agree with most of what you wrote except your definition of women's rights. That can be a different thread. What we agree on is that abortion is a core service of what Planned Parenthood provides, and by offering this service, it provides a significant amount of money to the organization through both fundraising and grants. Many on the pro-choice side are ardent supporters of PP because they provide this service, and without it, much of their funding would go away, possibly to the point where they would no longer exist. It brings in big $$$ to the organization, which I stated back at the beginning of this thread. Jamiche incorrectly tried to play it off as a small portion of their overall mission and budget by stating it was only 3% of services, which obviously doesn't adequately reflect its importance on their financial and social goals.

Other than your own biases, what is that assumption based on? I can't remember the last thing that I read from PP that promoted their abortion procedures.

[Brew_recruit]

The switch on abortion certainly was part of my hesitation with Romney. I was an anybody but Romney guy in the primary season- if you will recall. Now I have a choice between Romney a guy who says he's changed his mind on that issue and who is at least talking conservatively and Obama a guy who supported late term abortion and who is an all in pro-abortion socialist. That's pretty easy- I'll vote Romney as a huge upgrade.

See you are not answering the question. You have said a million times over you would vote for anyone in the world over Obama. What I'm saying is you call abortion baby murder. If Abortion is baby murder, does it only take 6 years to be free from murdering babies? If Joran Vandeer sloot ran in 2020 against Alan Grayson, but now he ran on a don't kill woman platform, would you vote for him because Grayson makes Obama look like Dick Cheney?

[diehard]

That would require a primary.

[diehard]

I'll grant you that but your earlier post states that abortions are PP's #1 mission and they make a ton of money off of them. Clearly not the case in either capacity. To suggest otherwise is, at best, a distortion.

PP provides 300,000 abortions a year. The largest abortion provider in America. I can't put a happy face here.

[diehard]

PP provides 300,000 abortions a year. The largest abortion provider in America. I can't put a happy face here.

Skewed heavily to the Black and Brown races. 2 words. Margaret Sanger. Progressive heroine.

ok, 4 words.

[GopherJake]

Lumping abortion in with condoms and birth control pills as a common (comprehensive) method of birth control? Abortion does happen about 1 million times a year in the US.

I realize you don't like it one little bit and you have made that abundantly clear. And that is a perfectly defensible position. But the fact is, abortion is a legal form of birth control in USA. Things that are legal should have legally protected providers. Period.

[bga1]

That would require a primary.

So true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bga1]

I realize you don't like it one little bit and you have made that abundantly clear. And that is a perfectly defensible position. But the fact is, abortion is a legal form of birth control in USA. Things that are legal should have legally protected providers. Period.

Government funded? Actually taxpayer funded- because the government produces nothing. And most likely funded mostly by the people that hate abortion while those who like abortion are often not paying taxes.

[GopherJake]

Government funded? Actually taxpayer funded- because the government produces nothing. And most likely funded mostly by the people that hate abortion while those who like abortion are often not paying taxes.

No. They don't have a right to that. Just protection to provide their legal services.

[diehard]

So ITT, Jake, you are arguing against legal abortions? You seem to be making a moral (quietly) and legal (loudly) argument.

I just want to be sure that I don't prematurely welcome you to the side of life. You may be worthy of that.

[Brew_recruit]

See you are not answering the question. You have said a million times over you would vote for anyone in the world over Obama. What I'm saying is you call abortion baby murder. If Abortion is baby murder, does it only take 6 years to be free from murdering babies? If Joran Vandeer sloot ran in 2020 against Alan Grayson, but now he ran on a don't kill woman platform, would you vote for him because Grayson makes Obama look like Dick Cheney?

still waiting

[jamiche]

Government funded? Actually taxpayer funded- because the government produces nothing. And most likely funded mostly by the people that hate abortion while those who like abortion are often not paying taxes.

Half of the tea partiers don't pay federal income taxes.

BTW, I can't stand the thought of paying for the road that leads to your house, the sewer pipes in your neighborhood and the police and fire protection in your area because I think you way underpay your fair share. Can't stand it. But I do it because it's part of the compact of a civilized society.

[Section2]

it's part of the compact of a civilized society.

Where can I read this compact that Elizabeth Warren loves to speak about (when she's not inventing being native american)

[John Galt]

I realize you don't like it one little bit and you have made that abundantly clear. And that is a perfectly defensible position. But the fact is, abortion is a legal form of birth control in USA. Things that are legal should have legally protected providers. Period.

So by your logic, slavery was perfectly acceptable in the United States following the Dred Scott decision and slaveowners had the legal right to treat slaves as property since it was a legally protected activity?

[jamiche]

Where can I read this compact that Elizabeth Warren loves to speak about (when she's not inventing being native american)

Deuce arrives from left field (or Mars).

[diehard]

Mars. Progressives are from Venus. The pussyfication of America.

[GopherJake]

So by your logic, slavery was perfectly acceptable in the United States following the Dred Scott decision and slaveowners had the legal right to treat slaves as property since it was a legally protected activity?

I appreciate the question, but I don't think the analogy fits. I see the point you are trying to make, but the situations differ in critical areas. Thus, I completely disagree with your statement of what my logic extends to.