If u dont want to read anything negative than skip this post.-Reality Check

There are no consolation prizes folks, this is big time college hoops.

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millions2spare said:

Great effort today for 34 minutes! Intensity up! We spaced on offense. Passed the ball around, Devoe and Sampson were outstanding!! The team played solid defense and got to 60 points before MSU. Usually the first team to 60 WINS! Tubby had a great game plan! For 34 minutes we could play with any team in the country!

Then the reality of what this team is sunk in

1) We are short one superstud---- Predictably Royce White would be the Man on this team. With Mbwke and White, this team would be a top 10 team, no doubt.
So let's focus on what we do have.

2) Weakness' and players not playing up to it.

- D Johnson with ONE rebound? That is unacceptable. Blocks are nice but rebounds are often times better. Monsoon's teams led the league in blocks!

- Westbrook again fails to execute a play with 14 seconds to go Senior leadership?
Westbook is unpredictable, plays out of his mind, and has One maybe 2 good games a season.

- Iverson - Should not be on the team. Iverson cannot be counted on to give R3 a break. Big drop off when he comes into the game. How do we spell D2 ball? Again, great kid, Great Effort, I don't see the potential most of you see on this board. He has hard hands and is Slow (can't teach those attributes) and his basketball instincts are questionable. Since he is here, we are going to be forced to see what happens with him. But for those of you wondering why Ralph was winded, this is your answer. He had 7 minutes of play time! I wonder why?

- Cobbs- freshman would have and should have been redshirted had white/mbwke been here. Not his fault, he is NOT ready for prime time. Since he has play time, we will see how he plays and develops. Just don't want to ruin his confidence.

- Paul Carter-Hit or Miss player. He had a pretty good game today I AM not sure his role.

-- Hoff- 1- 3pointer, did grab some rebounds but his plus minus rating was pathetic- 6points- missed a couple open looks that would have been the difference.

--WIlliams- Like cobbs should have been red-sirted.

I am going to say that if the Gophers have any chance to make the NCAA,
Royce White should play. We have him, he is on our roster and it is like having the Ace of trump in your hand but it might be too late to play it. Like it or not folks, even if he does play there are no guarantees. Without him, I will GUARANTEE a Berth into the NIT

It was a MUST WIN. There are no consolation prizes folks, this is big time college hoops.

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Friend Of Tubby said:

Reality check #2.

Michigan State is undefeated in Big 10 play. Before today, their closest margin was 7 points (3 different times).

But Gophers needed to W and should have W.

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Art Vandelay said:

This is priceless. The Gophs "only" lost by 1 and gave MSU their closest game in B10 play.

YEAH!!! That and a bus ticket will get you on a bus....

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Art Vandelay said:

This is priceless. The Gophs "only" lost by 1 and gave MSU their closest game in B10 play.

YEAH!!! That and a bus ticket will get you on a bus....

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millions2spare said:

Great effort today for 34 minutes! Intensity up! We spaced on offense. Passed the ball around, Devoe and Sampson were outstanding!! The team played solid defense and got to 60 points before MSU. Usually the first team to 60 WINS! Tubby had a great game plan! For 34 minutes we could play with any team in the country!

Then the reality of what this team is sunk in

1) We are short one superstud---- Predictably Royce White would be the Man on this team. With Mbwke and White, this team would be a top 10 team, no doubt.
So let's focus on what we do have.

2) Weakness' and players not playing up to it.

- D Johnson with ONE rebound? That is unacceptable. Blocks are nice but rebounds are often times better. Monsoon's teams led the league in blocks!

- Westbrook again fails to execute a play with 14 seconds to go Senior leadership?
Westbook is unpredictable, plays out of his mind, and has One maybe 2 good games a season.

- Iverson - Should not be on the team. Iverson cannot be counted on to give R3 a break. Big drop off when he comes into the game. How do we spell D2 ball? Again, great kid, Great Effort, I don't see the potential most of you see on this board. He has hard hands and is Slow (can't teach those attributes) and his basketball instincts are questionable. Since he is here, we are going to be forced to see what happens with him. But for those of you wondering why Ralph was winded, this is your answer. He had 7 minutes of play time! I wonder why?

- Cobbs- freshman would have and should have been redshirted had white/mbwke been here. Not his fault, he is NOT ready for prime time. Since he has play time, we will see how he plays and develops. Just don't want to ruin his confidence.

- Paul Carter-Hit or Miss player. He had a pretty good game today I AM not sure his role.

-- Hoff- 1- 3pointer, did grab some rebounds but his plus minus rating was pathetic- 6points- missed a couple open looks that would have been the difference.

--WIlliams- Like cobbs should have been red-sirted.

I am going to say that if the Gophers have any chance to make the NCAA,
Royce White should play. We have him, he is on our roster and it is like having the Ace of trump in your hand but it might be too late to play it. Like it or not folks, even if he does play there are no guarantees. Without him, I will GUARANTEE a Berth into the NIT

It was a MUST WIN. There are no consolation prizes folks, this is big time college hoops.

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Friend Of Tubby said:

Reality check #2.

Michigan State is undefeated in Big 10 play. Before today, their closest margin was 7 points (3 different times).

But Gophers needed to W and should have W.

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underground629 said:

Would you please spell Trevor's name correctly? Do you just try different versions each time?

DJ could do a better job rebounding, but rebounding really wasn't a problem today.

The play was supposed to go to Sampson but it broke down. I'll live/die by Westbrook shooting our last shot. Westbrook has 1 or 2 good games a season? Unbelievable. That's on the level of your Depaul crap.

What was so bad about what Iverson did in there today? It probably would've helped us if he had gotten a few additional minutes so Sampson could rest.

Cobbs redshirting also ranks pretty highly on your idiotic posts. What does him reshirting have to do with Royce and Trevor? Outside of today, Devoe is much better at sg than pg, and Nolen and Cobbs are the only true pgs on the team.

Please stop saying this is big time college hoops. You're only embarrassing yourself.

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Missed-layup said:

Underground, If you will live and die by Westbrook taking the last shot I hope you are a cat because you will need many lives. He's obviously very inconsistent. I like Westbrook, I think he is good, but he is very unpredictable. Iverson could not be out there more then a few minutes yesterday as he would have been like a steak in a cage of great whites, torn apart. It is likely that Cobbs, Williams would have redshirted this year but could not because of Trever and Whites issues who likely will be better players in the Big House versus in the Big 10.

ps: Quit trying to tell everyone what they should say or not say in the chat room. If you had it your way you would be posting to yourself and the room would be called "Undergrounds Hole" which I don't even want to think about. Remember when Bronco was in here? He's gone now and it was for doing exactly the same type of left-wing Gestapo tactics that you are using. If you want to end up like Bronco, keep it up. I'll be watching you.....

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millions2spare said:

another fact, the Gophers have been in 6 close games this year and have lost all 6. Proof that we are ONE great player away from having 4 more wins.

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ShowinGoldyLove said:

How the heck is that a "proof"? ONE great player would automatically win us 4 out of 6 close games? What if he fouled out? What if he missed the last shot in every game?

You really make it too simple.

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Missed-layup said:

Chances are that an extra 10 points per game would likely change the entire outcome of the game and we likely would not need to hit our last shots.

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millions2spare said:

THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE MY FRIEND. I know hoops and can tell you that all things being equal, one superstar would equate to 3-4 more wins. The Star player
takes a lot of pressure of the starters and makes our bench 2 players deeper.

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ShowinGoldyLove said:

It's simply amazing how you "two" posters post 3 minutes apart early on a Sunday morning, saying the exact same thing.

I simply can't understand how so many GH members think you're the same person.

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Missed-layup said:

Wow! Was it a rough night for you last night? Did you forget to take the tin foil off your head so those radio waves would not program your mind? Or where their black helicopters circling your house all night keeping you awake. Stick to hoops, it is a better subject for you. I am not the same person as anyone else on here. Whatever you do, don't check my IP.

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ShowinGoldyLove said:

It's simply amazing how you "two" posters post 3 minutes apart early on a Sunday morning, saying the exact same thing.

I simply can't understand how so many GH members think you're the same person.

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millions2spare said:

THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE MY FRIEND. I know hoops and can tell you that all things being equal, one superstar would equate to 3-4 more wins. The Star player
takes a lot of pressure of the starters and makes our bench 2 players deeper.
Why 2 players, because Sampson and Devoe would not paly 33 and 36 minutes like yesterday. We have lost all of our close games this year- 6 - and that indicates something systematically wrong. It is either we have a poor coacg (I like Tubby a lot) or we are missing a horse. Pick your Poison.

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Missed-layup said:

Underground, If you will live and die by Westbrook taking the last shot I hope you are a cat because you will need many lives. He's obviously very inconsistent. I like Westbrook, I think he is good, but he is very unpredictable. Iverson could not be out there more then a few minutes yesterday as he would have been like a steak in a cage of great whites, torn apart. It is likely that Cobbs, Williams would have redshirted this year but could not because of Trever and Whites issues who likely will be better players in the Big House versus in the Big 10.

ps: Quit trying to tell everyone what they should say or not say in the chat room. If you had it your way you would be posting to yourself and the room would be called "Undergrounds Hole" which I don't even want to think about. Remember when Bronco was in here? He's gone now and it was for doing exactly the same type of left-wing Gestapo tactics that you are using. If you want to end up like Bronco, keep it up. I'll be watching you.....

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It was a MUST WIN.[/QUOTE said:

Must win for what? I'm assuming you mean to make the tournament...There are still 11 games before the big ten tournament so technically we could still finish the regular season 23-7 (14-4). Disappointing loss definitely but its not a must win until a loss eliminates you.

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millions2spare said:

- Iverson - Should not be on the team. Iverson cannot be counted on to give R3 a break. Big drop off when he comes into the game. How do we spell D2 ball? Again, great kid, Great Effort, I don't see the potential most of you see on this board. He has hard hands and is Slow (can't teach those attributes) and his basketball instincts are questionable. Since he is here, we are going to be forced to see what happens with him. But for those of you wondering why Ralph was winded, this is your answer. He had 7 minutes of play time! I wonder why?

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underground629 said:

Who else should be taking our last shot if it's not Westbrook? I don't see why Iverson would've been torn up out there yesterday. Did you notice that MSU's centers did absolutely nothing yesterday? Iverson did fine in the little time he was in there. It's not likely that Cobbs and Williams would have redshirted had Trevor and Royce played. There's a chance that Williams would have since Royce can play SF, but there's no chance that Cobbs would've. The status of forwards does not affect a pg. There was never a chance of Cobbs redshirting.

I don't tell everyone what they should say. Like nearly everyone on here I disagree with a lot of stuff said and I respond to it. I mostly just strongly disagree with you (both of your accounts), Upnorth, and Art. I don't think I'm in the minority on that one. I'm pretty sure you have a much greater shot at being banned than I do.

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underground629 said:

Who else should be taking our last shot if it's not Westbrook? I don't see why Iverson would've been torn up out there yesterday. Did you notice that MSU's centers did absolutely nothing yesterday? Iverson did fine in the little time he was in there. It's not likely that Cobbs and Williams would have redshirted had Trevor and Royce played. There's a chance that Williams would have since Royce can play SF, but there's no chance that Cobbs would've. The status of forwards does not affect a pg. There was never a chance of Cobbs redshirting.

Now to the substance, The problem with westbrook is what happened yesterday, he tried one of those off the hip shots and it stayed on his hip. You live by the fancy shot you die by the fancy shot. Bobby Jackson, Willy Burton, Voshon Leonard were legitimate go to guys, who could find openings and get off good shots. Westbrook has some of these characteristics, but he is two levels below those guys. You cannot count on 20 a night from Westbrook like you can the real stars. He is inconsistent and can have very off nights.

Plain and simple, Iverson was too slow, stone handed, and unable to rebound. I trust Tubbys judgement when he did not play him. I was nervous when Iverson was in because of the mismatch he caused. You might be right about Cobbs, I will give you that, but it is obvious Williams is not ready for this league. He is out of place and visibly so. In high school it is easy to run around, do what you want, and be the go to guy, but in the Big 10 that is not the case. Williams needs to learn.

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Missed-layup said:

underground629 said:

Who else should be taking our last shot if it's not Westbrook? I don't see why Iverson would've been torn up out there yesterday. Did you notice that MSU's centers did absolutely nothing yesterday? Iverson did fine in the little time he was in there. It's not likely that Cobbs and Williams would have redshirted had Trevor and Royce played. There's a chance that Williams would have since Royce can play SF, but there's no chance that Cobbs would've. The status of forwards does not affect a pg. There was never a chance of Cobbs redshirting.

Now to the substance, The problem with westbrook is what happened yesterday, he tried one of those off the hip shots and it stayed on his hip. You live by the fancy shot you die by the fancy shot. Bobby Jackson, Willy Burton, Voshon Leonard were legitimate go to guys, who could find openings and get off good shots. Westbrook has some of these characteristics, but he is two levels below those guys. You cannot count on 20 a night from Westbrook like you can the real stars. He is inconsistent and can have very off nights.

Plain and simple, Iverson was too slow, stone handed, and unable to rebound. I trust Tubbys judgement when he did not play him. I was nervous when Iverson was in because of the mismatch he caused. You might be right about Cobbs, I will give you that, but it is obvious Williams is not ready for this league. He is out of place and visibly so. In high school it is easy to run around, do what you want, and be the go to guy, but in the Big 10 that is not the case. Williams needs to learn.

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