McKinley & Dandridge each suspended for 2 games

[cduff]

For a violation of team rules. No further info will be relased, per the U.

[Schnoodler]

Well that's not very good timing.

[MBAGuy]

Eff.

[Cmich Gopher]

Ouch.

[sonnygarcia]

Unreal, our best DE at our thinest position, right before our rivalry game.....

[LC19]

Why didn't we do a "Bret Bielema" and announce they will sit out the SDSU game in November?? :D

[monk10]

Always unfortunate when any player makes a poor decision.

[Schnoodler]

Well it's team building. Whatchya goin to do. It makes the team stronger when rules are enforced. Just not for Saturday. :(

[denguegopher]

is a pretty good F'up. They must have done something really stupid. Let's hope that they learn a lesson.

[Bronko Nagurski Gopher]

man, talk about bad timing. i do give coach brewster credit though for actually having moral fiber and not simply pulling a bret bielema by only suspending them from "tuesday & wednesday's training table" or some crap like that as schnoodler suggested.

[alphagopher]

Next man up!

[Bronko Nagurski Gopher]

thanks

[FiveStarFan]

Anthony Jacobs??

[DiehardGopher]

Well now that Derek Onwachi is back healthy, maybe he can step in after a week of practices. Lose one starter, gain another.

[gophermartin]

.

[frozengopher]

It's inevitable in any program. Kids make mistakes, be thankful it's not front page of the Strib news (knock on wood).

The enforcement and suspension (especially with a player as important to the D as Ced) brings credibility to Brew and the program, and establishes respect from the players. I don't think we'll ever hear anything about dissention in the locker room over Brew's career.

[ChemEGopher]

I think that this shows there's no truth rumors that Whaley was "suspended" for two games. Brewster isn't one to hide stuff like this.

[gopher7]

Wow, our depth at safety is wiped out. With Rallis injured and Dandrige suspended, Kenny Watkins is it, unless we want to use walkons.

[amateurdwarftosser]

Right is right, wrong is wrong.

No clue what happened, but I like that we do this sort of thing. You cant let the inmates run the asylum. I have been very proud that over the past 15+ years we havent given token slaps on the wrist for mistakes.

[gopher7]

Why didn't we do a "Bret Bielema" and announce they will sit out the SDSU game in November?? :D
Bielema probably would've suspended them for all remaining games through the end of the year in months not ending in "ber".

[Bronko Nagurski Gopher]

It's inevitable in any program. Kids make mistakes, be thankful it's not front page of the Strib news (knock on wood).

The enforcement and suspension (especially with a player as important to the D as Ced) brings credibility to Brew and the program, and establishes respect from the players. I don't think we'll ever hear anything about dissention in the locker room over Brew's career.

it is now....as the primary story under "latest news"

and it was already on the front page of the pioneer press website listed under of all things: "editor's picks" please!

man, talk about the tabloid nature of today's supposed "newspapers" :rolleyes:

[dpodoll68]

Wow, our depth at safety is wiped out. With Rallis injured and Dandrige suspended, Kenny Watkins is it, unless we want to use walkons.

I'm sure Cooper could play back there in a pinch. We also have CBs Johnny Johnson and Michael McKelton if we're real desperate for S help.

[proudgopher]

Really lets down their teammates who work their butts off week after week since early August.

[sfbadger]

man, talk about bad timing. i do give coach brewster credit though for actually having moral fiber and not simply pulling a bret bielema by only suspending them from "tuesday & wednesday's training table" or some crap like that as schnoodler suggested.

I'm curious, how many years of living in a dream world did it take before you started really believing the crap you spout? I know reality has been tough for Gopher fans, but facing the truth will help you in the long run.

Bielema just booted two former starters (from probably the second weakest area) off the team before this season started. Last year he booted his starting DE off the team just before the season started and the year before that he said buh-bye to a top RB. And you still are able to maintain that he's somehow a lax disciplinarian. You guys crack me up.

[breadtree]

Google Aubrey Pleasant and Shane Carter.

And I think you guys must be referring to Lance Smith. You know who's not on the team anymore? Lance Smith


Bielema probably would've suspended them for all remaining games through the end of the year in months not ending in "ber".

[IDFM]

Google Aubrey Pleasant and Shane Carter.

And I think you guys must be referring to Lance Smith. You know who's not on the team anymore? Lance Smith

Lance Smith left the program voluntarily. He was not booted from the team. He played two years ago while being convicted.

[Threefinesweethams]

Was Lance Smith the guy that Bielema suspended for away games only? That was a joke.

[Rescooter]

I'd like to see Wilhite start. He was only in for a short-time on Saturday and he had a sack and a forced fumble. Good things happened when he was in. He's been working hard and has a great attitude.

[skoalvikings]

it is now....as the primary story under "latest news"

and it was already on the front page of the pioneer press website listed under of all things: "editor's picks" please!

man, talk about the tabloid nature of today's supposed "newspapers" :rolleyes:


What's wrong with the strib and pioneer press reporting this? This is certainly sports news, and they both have sports sections in which they report sports news.

[Ole]

This is hopefully a team rules/late to practice/internal discipline incident, but it does clear the way for some young guys to get their feet wet. Watkins/Lewis might be called on to play special teams/backup @S.
Wilhite is a star in the making, he's done nothing but flash great pass rush skills everytime he gets a chance. Jacobs and Wilhite will fill in just fine, hopefully Cedric comes back humbled and hungry to prove his dedication to his teammates.

[sfbadger]

Lance Smith left the program voluntarily. He was not booted from the team. He played two years ago while being convicted.

"while being convicted"? What the hell does that even mean?

You're wrong anyway. (http://blogs.jsonline.com/badgers/archive/2008/08/14/smith-sentenced-to-20-days-in-jail.aspx)

Money quote: "Smith was immediately suspended by UW coach Bret Bielema and removed from the team on Aug. 4."

[sonnygarcia]

"while being convicted"? What the hell does that even mean?

You're wrong anyway. (http://blogs.jsonline.com/badgers/archive/2008/08/14/smith-sentenced-to-20-days-in-jail.aspx)

Money quote: "Smith was immediately suspended by UW coach Bret Bielema and removed from the team on Aug. 4."

Do you have long pink hair that stands up straight?

[bassy123]

Was Lance Smith the guy that Bielema suspended for away games only? That was a joke.


pretty sure that was p.j. hill

[Mr. Samsonite]

what about the LB that got the DUI while driving around drunk on the moped? I recall he played every game, and i do recall another badger who wasnt allowed to play away games, was that because he couldnt get a special deal to leave the county?

[GoAUpher]

pretty sure that was p.j. hill

No, I think it was Brown.

[bassy123]

No, I think it was Brown.

actually, lance smith.

and according to this article beilma wasn't the one who suspended him.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-32974679_ITM

[Bronko Nagurski Gopher]

What's wrong with the strib and pioneer press reporting this? This is certainly sports news, and they both have sports sections in which they report sports news.

i didn't say anything was wrong in reporting it - in the sports tab - under the gophers section. however, it does not merit prominent placement on the front page of either website imo. hence why i said traditional newspapers are becoming nothing more than glorified tabloids in many respects.

[minngg]

actually, lance smith.

and according to this article beilma wasn't the one who suspended him.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-32974679_ITM

Yes, it was Lance Smith. He was suspended then taken off suspension and allowed to play in home games only.

[Section 100]

"while being convicted"? What the hell does that even mean?

You're wrong anyway. (http://blogs.jsonline.com/badgers/archive/2008/08/14/smith-sentenced-to-20-days-in-jail.aspx)

Money quote: "Smith was immediately suspended by UW coach Bret Bielema and removed from the team on Aug. 4."

Yeah, that was Aug 4 of 2008. This incident happened in the summer of 07. Smith was suspended in Aug '07 and quickly reinstated for fall camp.

Here's an article from Andy Baggot....

Baggot: UW policy smells fishy from outside
By ANDY BAGGOT
608-252-6175
abaggot@madison.com
They have to know how this looks, don't they?

Shortly before the University of Wisconsin football team opened preseason camp Monday, suspended sophomore tailback Lance Smith was reinstated to active duty.

Followers of the program — cynics and season ticket holders alike — saw it coming. They pointed and laughed in a way that suggested some poor schlub's fly was open.

In truth, they were chuckling at a process that has become all too familiar in the past 11 months.

It goes like this: A vital member of the UW football team is arrested. He is suspended by the school in accordance with its student-athlete discipline policy. He is reinstated just in time to suit up for the next big on-field assignment.

It's happened three times since last September, which makes you wonder: The powers-that-be at UW have to know how this looks, don't they?

It looks calculated and dubious. It looks like powerful people are playing the privacy angles, all in the name of making sure UW Athletics runs at optimal speed.

UW athletic director Barry Alvarez said he isn't worried about how it looks to us.

"I know the facts," he said. "We're not making the decision (based) on timing or concerned about how it appears. We're doing what we think is right and what we think is fair for the kid."

Other conclusions could be reached based on a pattern that has emerged since last fall.

• Linebacker Elijah Hodge was arrested Sept. 19 for operating a motor vehicle, a scooter, without the owner's consent. He was suspended by the school two days later and reinstated in time for a Big Ten Conference game Sept. 23 at Michigan.

UW coach Bret Bielema was so certain Hodge, a key backup, would be cleared that Hodge, though still suspended, made the trip to Ann Arbor, Mich., and eventually played.

• Cornerback Jack Ikegwuonu was arrested Nov. 25 in DeKalb, Ill., and charged with residential burglary and criminal trespass.

He was suspended by the school Dec. 1 and reinstated Dec. 15.

Ikegwuonu missed practices leading up to the Capital One Bowl, but the first-team, All-Big Ten selection also had about two weeks of repetitions when workouts were heightened and the game plan was installed for what would be a 17-14 win over Arkansas.

• Smith was arrested July 14 and tentatively charged with robbery, false imprisonment and battery.

An important backup, he was suspended July 18 and reinstated in time for the first day of preseason drills. None of the three cases had been resolved in the courts when the players were reinstated.

Those involving Ikegwuonu and Smith are pending. No charges were filed against Hodge due to lack of evidence.

Alvarez, UW Athletic Board chair Walter Dickey, Casey Nagy of the chancellor's office and a UW Athletic Board member decide if the discipline policy has been violated and if reinstatement is warranted based on information gathered by the school.

"I think people are very quick — very, very quick — to suspend, punish, do this and that when in many cases — and it's proven out — that it doesn't warrant that," Alvarez said. "People have to trust us."

Maybe it's all coincidence. Maybe this process is pure and reasoned.

But that's not how it looks from here.

[Dr.Don]

Point of emphasis...If the players want to be and are in the limelight, it is newsworthy of front page.

[blarneys]

Good to see Brewster is being consistent with his suspensions. Two games for McKinley and Dandridge just like the two game suspension they gave Whaley for violating team rules early. These two are starters so they could not try to hide it like they did with Whaley. They should stay out of the bars until 21 it is the law.

[sonnygarcia]

Good to see Brewster is being consistent with his suspensions. Two games for McKinley and Dandridge just like the two game suspension they gave Whaley for violating team rules early. These two are starters so they could not try to hide it like they did with Whaley. They should stay out of the bars until 21 it is the law.

so you're asserting that they would go out of their way to hide it for Whaley, but it would get front page STrib streatment for the other two??? That makes good sense :rolleyes:

[sfbadger]

actually, lance smith.

and according to this article beilma wasn't the one who suspended him.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-32974679_ITM

Wrong yet again.

Smith got into a fight with his girlfriend, he was immediately suspended from the team. The court gave him probation and enrolled him in a first time offenders program. He was reinstated to the team, but UW disciplinary department suspended for all road games (including Minnesota, a game which the Badgers won), he later violated the terms of his first time offender program and was booted from the team by Bielema. He transferred to Memphis.

[blarneys]

Yes - they were able to keep th Whaley suspension under the radar since he was not a starter. I am satisfied with the process since both were for two games,

[gopher7]

Good to see Brewster is being consistent with his suspensions. Two games for McKinley and Dandridge just like the two game suspension they gave Whaley for violating team rules early. These two are starters so they could not try to hide it like they did with Whaley. They should stay out of the bars until 21 it is the law.
McKinley is 22.

[Gold Vision]

Whaley was not suspended.

[Section 100]

Wrong yet again.

Smith got into a fight with his girlfriend, he was immediately suspended from the team. The court gave him probation and enrolled him in a first time offenders program. He was reinstated to the team, but UW disciplinary department suspended for all road games (including Minnesota, a game which the Badgers won), he later violated the terms of his first time offender program and was booted from the team by Bielema. He transferred to Memphis.

Then he was reinstated two weeks later, just in time for fall practices.

Beating a woman allows at UW player to participate in all home games. That's mighty brave of UW disciplinary department.

[MaxyJR1]

i didn't say anything was wrong in reporting it - in the sports tab - under the gophers section. however, it does not merit prominent placement on the front page of either website imo. hence why i said traditional newspapers are becoming nothing more than glorified tabloids in many respects.

Sign of the times. I believe the top stories on the web are Vikings, Twins, and Gopher suspensions. Web caters to those who use the web and sports is where that demographic lies.

[Bronko Nagurski Gopher]

Good to see Brewster is being consistent with his suspensions. Two games for McKinley and Dandridge just like the two game suspension they gave Whaley for violating team rules early. These two are starters so they could not try to hide it like they did with Whaley. They should stay out of the bars until 21 it is the law.

you are an idiot :rolleyes:

[anonymous]

Bronco,
They also both put virtually all new stories on the website -- big or small -- on the front page for a while. That's just the way that it works.

[blarneys]

Only two games mean anything to me beating the Badgers and Iowa. Hopfully everyone including the 12 man steps it up to beat the Badgers. Go Gophers!!

[grunkiejr]

I'm curious, how many years of living in a dream world did it take before you started really believing the crap you spout? I know reality has been tough for Gopher fans, but facing the truth will help you in the long run.

Bielema just booted two former starters (from probably the second weakest area) off the team before this season started. Last year he booted his starting DE off the team just before the season started and the year before that he said buh-bye to a top RB. And you still are able to maintain that he's somehow a lax disciplinarian. You guys crack me up.

Yeah, well I heard they made some comments about Bielema's behavior on State St. and that was the end of their football careers. If you think that is a positive sign of discipline for your coach to exhibit, more power to you.

[sfbadger]

Then he was reinstated two weeks later, just in time for fall practices.

Beating a woman allows at UW player to participate in all home games. That's mighty brave of UW disciplinary department.

Of course you missed the point. Whether or not you think the punishment was the right one, Bielema had no say in the matter, it was not an athletic department decision. Later, when Smith violated the terms of his program, and Bielema could have chose a less severe punishment, he kicked him off the team.

[monk10]

oh, that sucks *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#FucherBADGER, *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ty to be an annoying troll AND to be wrong, usually trolls know what they are talking about when making these claims. Well, at least you have pretty pink hair.

I thought you only used this kind of language for one poster. Can you please show some class?

[GoAUpher]

Bielema just booted two former starters (from probably the second weakest area) off the team before this season started. Last year he booted his starting DE off the team just before the season started and the year before that he said buh-bye to a top RB. And you still are able to maintain that he's somehow a lax disciplinarian. You guys crack me up.

Mmm hmm...and he booted them w/o saying "violation of team rules" and without their names in the police blotter. It looks like they got the boot for being insubordinate...if that's the case then he's protecting his own a** by getting rid of them because letting them stay means his authority gets undermined. In other words, what is worse...booting players off a weak secondary and keeping your authority intact or letting them stay and risk a mutiny. Not quite the same thing as letting players play after getting arrested.

[WillieBurton]

Wilhite has been playing great so far this year, but the coaching staff wants to keep him as a pass-rushing specialist so don't expect his role to change too much while Ced is out. The likely plan is to have Henderson, Hageman and maybe Jacobs alternating on most snaps and have D.L. continue to rotate in on passing downs.

[sfbadger]

Yeah, well I heard they made some comments about Bielema's behavior on State St. and that was the end of their football careers. If you think that is a positive sign of discipline for your coach to exhibit, more power to you.

See my previous comment about living in a land of make-believe. You folks really are beyond parody.

[sonnygarcia]

I thought you only used this kind of language for one poster. Can you please show some class?

Thanks Mother Teresa, I'll take that into consideration. And if you want to go back to that post you'll see I said I use that type of language on trolls, so they all fall under that category. You go live in your fantasy alter boy world.

[Section 100]

Of course you missed the point. Whether or not you think the punishment was the right one, Bielema had no say in the matter, it was not an athletic department decision. Later, when Smith violated the terms of his program, and Bielema could have chose a less severe punishment, he kicked him off the team.

No, actually you missed the point. You beat a woman, you're gone. No second chances. Do you disagree with that?

So, after Smith's second violation there was a disciplinary option of keeping him on the team?? On Wisconsin.

[blarneys]

Did you see the Godfather Sonny?

[Rescooter]

As far as my wife is concerned, the stealing of her shoes would be the unforgiveable part. You can take anything of hers you want, but if you mess with her shoes, you've just unleashed a pit bull.

[sonnygarcia]

Did you see the Godfather Sonny?

Is this a random question/posting, or did something just fly over my head ???? :cool:

[sfbadger]

Mmm hmm...and he booted them w/o saying "violation of team rules" and without their names in the police blotter. It looks like they got the boot for being insubordinate...if that's the case then he's protecting his own a** by getting rid of them because letting them stay means his authority gets undermined. In other words, what is worse...booting players off a weak secondary and keeping your authority intact or letting them stay and risk a mutiny. Not quite the same thing as letting players play after getting arrested.

So now Bielema is too much of a disciplinarian? I don't see how this thread can get any better.

[gophermartin]

You tried to stay on topic. Good insight on the actual Gopher specific topic of the thread.

I hope we see someone step up.

GM

[monk10]

Thanks Mother Teresa, I'll take that into consideration. And if you want to go back to that post you'll see I said I use that type of language on trolls, so they all fall under that category. You go live in your fantasy alter boy world.

This isn't for me. This is for GopherHole. Based on the recent posts the site is growing in leaps and bounds. People will judge this site by the members who post here. The way you communicate represents the GopherHole community. All I do is ask you to show some class when you post, not just for me, but for the community.

[sfbadger]

No, actually you missed the point. You beat a woman, you're gone. No second chances. Do you disagree with that?

I don't disagree at all, and if I had been responsible for determining his punishment, he would have been gone. IMO, the "away game" punishment was weak, but it wasn't my decision, nor was it Bielema's.


So, after Smith's second violation there was a disciplinary option of keeping him on the team?? On Wisconsin.

I'm sure he could have pulled out some half-assed punishment if Bielema were the type of person that you folks so fervently wish to believe he is. He didn't, but that and all the other evidence I've laid out certainly won't stop you from believing whatever you want to believe. As I said before, you guys live in a fantasy world and I don't expect anything I could do would change that. It certainly is entertaining to watch, though.

BTW, it's "On, Wisconsin."

[skiumah2]

I don't disagree at all, and if I had been responsible for determining his punishment, he would have been gone. IMO, the "away game" punishment was weak, but it wasn't my decision, nor was it Bielema's.



I'm sure he could have pulled out some half-assed punishment if Bielema were the type of person that you folks so fervently wish to believe he is. He didn't, but that and all the other evidence I've laid out certainly won't stop you from believing whatever you want to believe. As I said before, you guys live in a fantasy world and I don't expect anything I could do would change that. It certainly is entertaining to watch, though.

BTW, it's "Off Wisconsin."
FYP ;)

[sonnygarcia]

This isn't for me. This is for GopherHole. Based on the recent posts the site is growing in leaps and bounds. People will judge this site by the members who post here. The way you communicate represents the GopherHole community. All I do is ask you to show some class when you post, not just for me, but for the community.

fair enough, these trolls kill me though, I feel like if the moderators are going to let them spew the garbage they do on here than what the heck, using F bombs on them is fair game, but point taken, we'll try and reel it in a bit.

[monk10]

fair enough, these trolls kill me though, I feel like if the moderators are going to let them spew the garbage they do on here than what the heck, using F bombs on them is fair game, but point taken, we'll try and reel it in a bit.

<3

[Bronko Nagurski Gopher]

I don't disagree at all, and if I had been responsible for determining his punishment, he would have been gone. IMO, the "away game" punishment was weak, but it wasn't my decision, nor was it Bielema's.



I'm sure he could have pulled out some half-assed punishment if Bielema were the type of person that you folks so fervently wish to believe he is. He didn't, but that and all the other evidence I've laid out certainly won't stop you from believing whatever you want to believe. As I said before, you guys live in a fantasy world and I don't expect anything I could do would change that. It certainly is entertaining to watch, though.

BTW, it's "On, wisconsin."

actually, it is: "On, Minnesota." the good people of Minnesota just let wisconsin borrow that little ditty and insert their name in there since the geniuses over in madistan were having such a hard time writing their own fight song.

[blarneys]

fair enough, these trolls kill me though, I feel like if the moderators are going to let them spew the garbage they do on here than what the heck, using F bombs on them is fair game, but point taken, we'll try and reel it in a bit.


I AM A GOPHER NOT A TROLL!

[sonnygarcia]

I AM A GOPHER NOT A TROLL!

I have never resorted to abusive language with you, so you wouldn't fall into that category with me ;)

[Section 100]

I don't disagree at all, and if I had been responsible for determining his punishment, he would have been gone. IMO, the "away game" punishment was weak, but it wasn't my decision, nor was it Bielema's.



I'm sure he could have pulled out some half-assed punishment if Bielema were the type of person that you folks so fervently wish to believe he is. He didn't, but that and all the other evidence I've laid out certainly won't stop you from believing whatever you want to believe. As I said before, you guys live in a fantasy world and I don't expect anything I could do would change that. It certainly is entertaining to watch, though.

BTW, it's "On, Wisconsin."

You need to take off your red and white glasses and re-evaluate this process.

I believe BB hid behind a "disciplinary committee" to allow Smith to play. I mean, if BB booted two players this summer, then he had the authority to dismiss Smith right away. Or, is it because Smith had value and the other two guys didn't?

The Smith incident leads me to believe BB lacks character and puts winning above the wearing the W. You beat your girlfriend, you should be off the team- no second chances. And, if BB is the person you say he is, then Smith should have been gone in July 2007.

The very fact that there was second opportunity for discipline is disturbing. That's the point, SFB. At Wisconsin it appears there's several chances before removing the trash. There shouldn't be.

[maroonfive]

Yes it is "On Wisconsin" and you are definitely "On Something". You have been proven wrong and that is always the case when some nasty butt fu@ky badger fan comes trolling. I am surprised that you even know what the word parody means.
Go back where you came from, no one gives a damn about what you say and what you think. You are from Wisconsin which eliminates any credibility that you think you may have.

Go Gophers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wisconsucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ofergopher]

actually, it is: "On, Minnesota." the good people of Minnesota just let wisconsin borrow that little ditty and insert their name in there since the geniuses over in madistan were having such a hard time writing their own fight song.

Not exactly. The music was originally written for a school with a four-syllable name. Sing it, and you'll see. When the folks to the east claimed the orphan as their own (and a very nice orphan it is, I will admit) their name didn't quite fill the line and an additional syllable had to be added, kinda like adding some padding for a hand-me-down suit that doesn't fit little brother.:)

[upchurch]

To my untrained eye, Wilhite is our best defensive end. I look forward to him getting some more snaps. This young man is a player.

[Schnoodler]

It's exciting to see the Brewster commits starting to get their ops. The more they get to play on D the better off we are, otherwise we have a very inexperienced defense next year.

[Mulligan]

fair enough, these trolls kill me though, I feel like if the moderators are going to let them spew the garbage they do on here than what the heck, using F bombs on them is fair game, but point taken, we'll try and reel it in a bit.

Though I'm an obviously new poster, I have read and enjoyed much of GopherHole for several years. I wish people would simply ignore obvious trolls. Don't respond! They're looking to agitate people and I don't think insulting them and calling them names really deters them at all. It's like the pathetic kid who'd eat boogers back in elementary school just to get noticed even in a negative way.

It's frustrating when a decent thread is hijacked or becomes an argument with someone like sfbadger. Won't happen if his ruesse is ignored.

[PlayHosea]

Seriously, this is a blow to the Gopher defense. Sansavere reported on KQ that McKinley was the Gophers leading tackler. Way to do your homework, Sanny.

[WAGopher]

Seriously, this is a blow to the Gopher defense. Sansavere reported on KQ that McKinley was the Gophers leading tackler. Way to do your homework, Sanny.

You've got to be kidding! McKinley isn't even close to being our leading tackler. He has 11 tackles and is ranked 10th. Nate is our leading tackler with 47.

Here's our top 10 tacklers through 4 games:
47 Triplett, Nate
40 Campbell, Lee
35 Lawrence, Simoni
26 Theret, Kyle
17 Royston, Kim
14 Cooper, Keanon
12 Small, Eric
12 Collado, Ryan
12 Simmons, Traye
11 McKinley, Cedric

[myleslong]

Yeah, well I heard they made some comments about Bielema's behavior on State St. and that was the end of their football careers. If you think that is a positive sign of discipline for your coach to exhibit, more power to you.

Where do you get your false stuff? IIRC, you were also the one who made false claims about the Illini rescinding their offer to Appleton.

[sfbadger]

You need to take off your red and white glasses and re-evaluate this process.

I believe BB hid behind a "disciplinary committee" to allow Smith to play. I mean, if BB booted two players this summer, then he had the authority to dismiss Smith right away. Or, is it because Smith had value and the other two guys didn't?

The Smith incident leads me to believe BB lacks character and puts winning above the wearing the W. You beat your girlfriend, you should be off the team- no second chances. And, if BB is the person you say he is, then Smith should have been gone in July 2007.

The very fact that there was second opportunity for discipline is disturbing. That's the point, SFB. At Wisconsin it appears there's several chances before removing the trash. There shouldn't be.

The point you keep missing, possibly intentionally, is that for the first Smith punishment, it was not up to Bielema. Because the incident was between two UW students it was a University handled discipline, Bielema was not involved. Also, Smith had not been convicted of anything at that point. When Smith later did not keep his commitments to the first-time offender program and had to go to trial, Bielema removed him from the team.

Now, you might have a problem with Smith getting a "second" chance through the first offender program, but you'll have to take that issue up with the Madison DA. You might have a problem with the University's discipline program, too, but neither of those things has anything to do with Bielema.

[sfbadger]

It's frustrating when a decent thread is hijacked or becomes an argument with someone like sfbadger. Won't happen if his ruesse is ignored.

If posters weren't making ridiculous and unsubstantiated claims that Bielema was a lax disciplinarian, based on a complete ignorance of the facts, I wouldn't have posted a thing. You guys are so busy patting Punky on the back for his strong moral fiber for having doled out two-game suspensions and drawing phony comparisons to Bielema's behavior before you even know what the Gopher infractions are. Maybe you think a "decent thread" is one full of misinformation and moral preening, but I don't.

[buddylee853]

If posters weren't making ridiculous and unsubstantiated claims that Bielema was a lax disciplinarian, based on a complete ignorance of the facts, I wouldn't have posted a thing. You guys are so busy patting Punky on the back for his strong moral fiber for having doled out two-game suspensions and drawing phony comparisons to Bielema's behavior before you even know what the Gopher infractions are. Maybe you think a "decent thread" is one full of misinformation and moral preening, but I don't.

Well then here's an idea: ignore it all!

You know, being that this is a discussion board about Gopher sports for gopher fans, it shouldn't be that difficult for opposing fans to just ignore us, yet you seem to hang around, let your frustration with us get the best of you, and try to 'put us in our place' when really you're coming off as a complete *sshole.

I mean, c'mon, we're not even the only ones who are/have questioned some of the decisions by BB and his people. There's already been enough articles detailing some of them; are you going to go and confront all of them on this? I don't think it's worth it, IMHO.

[Schnoodler]

I think the only part of this argument that makes sense is the implication. Which is of course that Bielema sucks. Wisconsin too btw.

[JackiO]

http://www.mndaily.com/2009/09/29/gopher-football-players-involved-dinkytown-brawl

Could this possibly have been the incident that was covered up?

[WAGopher]

http://www.mndaily.com/2009/09/29/gopher-football-players-involved-dinkytown-brawl

Could this possibly have been the incident that was covered up?

What has been covered up? This happened Sunday morning, hardly enough time to address it, let alone cover it up. Thank you for bringing the article to our attention, but why the unsubstantiated claim?

[Schnoodler]

I'm not sure suspending two guys and making it a public announcment qualifies as covering something up.