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dingo
09-18-2009, 02:56 PM
Who would of thought when Brewster and Tubby where hired two years ago we would be sitting here listening that the FOOTBALL team has scheduled TOP teams in the nation for the foreseeable future. Meanwhile the basketball team still doesn't have a true consistent national contender on its non conference schedule. (Dont count Anaheim, because they could lose to Butler and play nobodies)

This happening when its easier to schedule non conference games in basketball because of more games. (12 versus 4) and that in my opinion the basketball team is in better overall shape in terms of national reputation and talent level.

Dont get me wrong, I love that Brew added Navy and Texas to go along with UNC and USC. Come on Tubby dont let Brew one up you, follow his lead! :)

Friend Of Tubby
09-18-2009, 03:17 PM
Who would of thought when Brewster and Tubby where hired two years ago we would be sitting here listening that the FOOTBALL team has scheduled TOP teams in the nation for the foreseeable future. Meanwhile the basketball team still doesn't have a true consistent national contender on its non conference schedule. (Dont count Anaheim, because they could lose to Butler and play nobodies)

This happening when its easier to schedule non conference games in basketball because of more games. (12 versus 4) and that in my opinion the basketball team is in better overall shape in terms of national reputation and talent level.

Dont get me wrong, I love that Brew added Navy and Texas to go along with UNC and USC. Come on Tubby dont let Brew one up you, follow his lead! :)

Butler IS a national contender in 2010 - rated #7 and #12 by Lindy's and Athlon preseason magazines.

And IF the Gophers L to Butler, it does not necessarily mean their other 2 Anaheim opponents will be "nobodies" either.

dingo
09-18-2009, 04:53 PM
And Tubby didnt schedule Butler... The Anaheim classic did. We simply accepted the invitation to play in the tourney.

Friend Of Tubby
09-18-2009, 06:55 PM
And Tubby didnt schedule Butler... The Anaheim classic did. We simply accepted the invitation to play in the tourney.

There are several Top 25 (preseason) teams playing in Anaheim, not just Butler.

TubbytownUSA
09-18-2009, 07:19 PM
There are several Top 25 (preseason) teams playing in Anaheim, not just Butler.

Get off Tubby's nuts.

The basketball schedule is awful. Atrocious. An embarrassment.

This is the one area where the football program has dominated the basketball program.

SelectionSunday
09-19-2009, 06:56 AM
Kudos to Brew & Maturi for stepping up to the plate by scheduling home-and-homes with BCS opponents. It's the #1 thing I like about Brew since he's arrived. Now we need to see the same kind of progress on the basketball schedule. Most fans aren't stupid. You can't get away with scheduling an exempt tourney every year + 1 ACC game and expect people to do cartwheels.

Friend Of Tubby
09-19-2009, 07:35 PM
Get off Tubby's nuts.

The basketball schedule is awful. Atrocious. An embarrassment.

This is the one area where the football program has dominated the basketball program.

The only nuts I see are Numb Nuts like you.

Moonlight
09-19-2009, 08:11 PM
FOT - you won't be paying for a NC season that is uninspiring. $30 a ticket is a big price to pay for trust in Tubby. We all love Tubby but we have been suffering for a long time here.

MillionMoves
09-19-2009, 08:40 PM
I think a lot of the blame should be placed on the NCAA for allowing so many colleges into Division 1 for basketball. It is well over 300 now and roughly 200 of them have no chance of ever winning the championship. Trim that number to 150 and we would see a dramatic change in the quality of schedules for every "true major".

Friend Of Tubby
09-19-2009, 09:01 PM
FOT - you won't be paying for a NC season that is uninspiring. $30 a ticket is a big price to pay for trust in Tubby. We all love Tubby but we have been suffering for a long time here.

Per www.kenpom.com here are the SOS for last 5 years, both OOC and overall.

2009 - OOC 140, overall 36

2008 - OOC 283, overall 63 (possibly set up by prior staff)

2007 - OOC 210, overall 40

2006 - OOC 239, overall 51

2005 - OOC not available, overall 155

The trend appears favorable in 2009 compared to prior 4 years.

anonymous
09-19-2009, 10:37 PM
Geez, do we really have to do this again.

FOT, the biggest gripe is the HOME n-c schedule. Season ticket holders deserve better.

I could drag out the stats again, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

GoAUpher
09-19-2009, 11:23 PM
Per www.kenpom.com here are the SOS for last 5 years, both OOC and overall.

2009 - OOC 140, overall 36

2008 - OOC 283, overall 63 (possibly set up by prior staff)

2007 - OOC 210, overall 40

2006 - OOC 239, overall 51

2005 - OOC not available, overall 155

The trend appears favorable in 2009 compared to prior 4 years.

So you've gone from "this is a good OOC sched" to "the trend is favorable"??? OOC of 140 is NOT a good/strong OOC sched. And as everyone has noted the home OOC is even worse.

Friend Of Tubby
09-20-2009, 05:05 AM
Geez, do we really have to do this again.

FOT, the biggest gripe is the HOME n-c schedule. Season ticket holders deserve better.

I could drag out the stats again, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

Home OOC opponents = 3 "good" opponents, 5 "cupcake" opponents.

Just like (I'm sure) other Gopher home OOC opponents in the past 5 years.

The Gophers haven't played tough OOC opponents at home since the 1990's.

Friend Of Tubby
09-20-2009, 05:06 AM
So you've gone from "this is a good OOC sched" to "the trend is favorable"??? OOC of 140 is NOT a good/strong OOC sched. And as everyone has noted the home OOC is even worse.

NCAA or NIT bids are based on overall SOS, certainly not SOS of home OOC opponents.

GopherinPhilly
09-20-2009, 07:40 AM
Home OOC opponents = 3 "good" opponents, 5 "cupcake" opponents.

Just like (I'm sure) other Gopher home OOC opponents in the past 5 years.

The Gophers haven't played tough OOC opponents at home since the 1990's.

FoT - I think you are making their point...the home OOC has sucked since the Clemgate and it would be great if Tubby and Maturi understood that and worked harder at getting teams like Kansas, Georgia, UCLA, Marquette, St. Jos or any of about 60 teams that would be worth wathching and would with a home and home give us games in markets we would like to recruit.

Rouser
09-20-2009, 07:40 AM
FOT...give it up.. You either don't understand what we are talking about or don't care because your pro Tubby agenda has a chance to be shoe horned into the thread. The home schedule is what matters in these discussions. Unlike you..there are a lot of big time donors that attend home games and throw money at the program. If Tubby wants his practice facility (which I support completely) it might interest him to schedule some better home games to keep the natives from getting restless.

If all we cared about was watching a good teams compete on TV and not in person, we could all become Duke fans.

Friend Of Tubby
09-20-2009, 08:03 AM
FoT - I think you are making their point...the home OOC has sucked since the Clemgate and it would be great if Tubby and Maturi understood that and worked harder at getting teams like Kansas, Georgia, UCLA, Marquette, St. Jos or any of about 60 teams that would be worth wathching and would with a home and home give us games in markets we would like to recruit.

St Joseph's is a home opponent on this year's schedule.

Friend Of Tubby
09-20-2009, 08:06 AM
FOT...give it up.. You either don't understand what we are talking about or don't care because your pro Tubby agenda has a chance to be shoe horned into the thread. The home schedule is what matters in these discussions. Unlike you..there are a lot of big time donors that attend home games and throw money at the program. If Tubby wants his practice facility (which I support completely) it might interest him to schedule some better home games to keep the natives from getting restless.

If all we cared about was watching a good teams compete on TV and not in person, we could all become Duke fans.

I do understand - the Gophers OOC home schedule has sucked since the 1990's. It's a little better this year than the majority of the past 10 years. Looking at the facts of the prior 5 years, that is.

Big name opponents may not see a benefit to them from playing Gophers in The Barn. But Kansas is being negotiated for home & home in 2011-2012-etc.

GopherinPhilly
09-20-2009, 09:32 AM
I do understand - the Gophers OOC home schedule has sucked since the 1990's. It's a little better this year than the majority of the past 10 years. Looking at the facts of the prior 5 years, that is.

Big name opponents may not see a benefit to them from playing Gophers in The Barn. But Kansas is being negotiated for home & home in 2011-2012-etc.

The problem may be that FoT is looking at this logically, and we the fans that have paid for the program and lived through the highs and the very low lows are frustrated with the slow pace of progress. Logic verus emotion is never a winning proposition.

Friend Of Tubby
09-20-2009, 12:09 PM
The problem may be that FoT is looking at this logically, and we the fans that have paid for the program and lived through the highs and the very low lows are frustrated with the slow pace of progress. Logic verus emotion is never a winning proposition.

Bob Huggins' UC Bearcats (one of Top 20 teams of the 90's) played home-&-home with Gophers. Just AN example but teams like that will be willing to play the Gophers H&H.

TubbytownUSA
09-20-2009, 02:47 PM
FoT I don't think anyone would care if you just disappeared.

anonymous
09-20-2009, 06:06 PM
1. Again, the stats on Tubby's home non-conference schedules at Minnesota:

Three seasons.
25 non-conference games.
One BCS conference opponents
Zero BCS conference opponents scheduled by choice.
Zero at-large NCAA tournament qualifiers from the previous season.

And FOT, I don't agree at all that the home non-conference schedules have sucked since the 90s. One area in which I have to give Monson credit is in scheduling home-and-homes with a pretty large number of BCS conference teams.

The list includes: Iowa State, Arizona State, Nebraska, Texas Tech, Georgia, Oregon. While not BCS teams at the time, Monson also had home and homes with Marquette (when the Golden Eagles were in CUSA), UNLV and UAB. That doesn't include ACC/Big Ten Challenge home games.

I don't think Gophers fans are unreasonable in their schedule hopes and expectations. But they also are smart enough to know what is garbage.

2. And while you, FOT, say that Cincinnati (who Clem played several times) would play the Gophers home-and-home, who is to say that Tubby is willing to play a game like that? He certainly hasn't shown the desire to play anybody of note at home during his three schedules at Minnesota.

3. FOT, you guaranteed earlier during last season that the home schedule would be more of our liking. It clearly isn't.

4. And there aren't three "good" games on this schedule. I think the St. Joe's game can be labeled as "good," and that is it. You're going to claim Morgan State and Stephen F. Austin as "good", but one must consider additions and losses to the equation and the losses are very, very significant in both cases.

TubbytownUSA
09-20-2009, 06:53 PM
anonymous,

You should know better than to listen to his guarantees. He knows nothing more than the average fan in terms of "insider" information. All he does is post ridiculous statistics and such that are usually quite irrelevant.

There are zero good games on the home non-conference schedule. It's a joke when you have to call St. Joe's your best game. That's a team we should easily beat by double digits if we are at all for real.

Friend Of Tubby
09-21-2009, 04:38 AM
1. Again, the stats on Tubby's home non-conference schedules at Minnesota:

Three seasons.
25 non-conference games.
One BCS conference opponents
Zero BCS conference opponents scheduled by choice.
Zero at-large NCAA tournament qualifiers from the previous season.

And FOT, I don't agree at all that the home non-conference schedules have sucked since the 90s. One area in which I have to give Monson credit is in scheduling home-and-homes with a pretty large number of BCS conference teams.

The list includes: Iowa State, Arizona State, Nebraska, Texas Tech, Georgia, Oregon. While not BCS teams at the time, Monson also had home and homes with Marquette (when the Golden Eagles were in CUSA), UNLV and UAB. That doesn't include ACC/Big Ten Challenge home games.

I don't think Gophers fans are unreasonable in their schedule hopes and expectations. But they also are smart enough to know what is garbage.

2. And while you, FOT, say that Cincinnati (who Clem played several times) would play the Gophers home-and-home, who is to say that Tubby is willing to play a game like that? He certainly hasn't shown the desire to play anybody of note at home during his three schedules at Minnesota.

3. FOT, you guaranteed earlier during last season that the home schedule would be more of our liking. It clearly isn't.

4. And there aren't three "good" games on this schedule. I think the St. Joe's game can be labeled as "good," and that is it. You're going to claim Morgan State and Stephen F. Austin as "good", but one must consider additions and losses to the equation and the losses are very, very significant in both cases.

First, the 2008 schedule was likely pretty well set before Tubby arrived. Not 100% but mostly.

If you look back at factual schedules for the rest of the 2000's, Monson did nothing of the sort. His schedules were weaker, if anything.

I didn't say UC would play the Gophers. I said TEAMS LIKE THAT. Read and comprehend.

Morgan State is preseason favorite in its conference and SFA is a contender in its league. 3 good opponents, 5 cupcake opponents, 1 good ACC road game, and 3 good games in Anaheim = OOC.

I never GUARANTEED anything like that.

Hire Monson back if you want.

Friend Of Tubby
09-21-2009, 04:39 AM
FoT I don't think anyone would care if you just disappeared.

I gave a crap what U think.

Friend Of Tubby
09-21-2009, 04:40 AM
anonymous,

You should know better than to listen to his guarantees. He knows nothing more than the average fan in terms of "insider" information. All he does is post ridiculous statistics and such that are usually quite irrelevant.

There are zero good games on the home non-conference schedule. It's a joke when you have to call St. Joe's your best game. That's a team we should easily beat by double digits if we are at all for real.

Certainly St Joe's, SFA, and Morgan St are good opponents. I'd expect Gophers to sweep home OOC games.

I guaranteed nothing like that. Pure BS on his part.

SelectionSunday
09-21-2009, 06:47 AM
1999-00 (1) -- Virginia
2000-01 (2) -- Georgia, Nebraska
2001-02 (2) -- Nebraska, Oregon
2002-03 (3) -- Georgia, Georgia Tech, Texas Tech
2003-04 (1) -- Nebraska
2004-05 (1) -- Florida State
2005-06 (0)
2006-07 (3) -- Arizona State, Clemson, Iowa State

Average of 1.625 BCS home opponents per season. Two years with 3, two years with 2, one year with 0.

2007-08 (0)
2008-09 (1) -- Virginia
2009-10 (0)

Average of .333 BCS home opponents per season. No years with more than 1, two years with 0.

"Hire Monson back if you want."

BNOT, you know darn well that's not the argument we're making. But nice deflection, though.

anonymous
09-21-2009, 08:01 AM
FOT,

On a thread entitled "Oh great, Esposito says now teams don't want to play @ The Barn," I mentioned that a lot of people would like to see the home schedule improved and that I didn't think Tubby would do it.

Your response: "It will. I talked to JE both on Saturday and Sunday about that topic. Next year's schedule is set and it will be much more to your liking."

You can see the thread here: http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?t=2053

And guess what? It isn't to my liking. I understand that scheduling is a challenge. I know that the Gophers need to play a pretty significant number of home games because of budgetary reasons. And I like the St. Joe game. But when you're hanging your hat on potential contenders from the Southland and MEAC, that is pretty weak. The Southland was the No. 19 rated conference in the country last year in the RPI and the MEAC was 30th (second to last).

Also, your crack about Monson's schedules being weaker is just wrong. Here are the annual SOS's for the Gophers under Monson (starting with 1999-2000) according to Jerry Palm's site: 31, 50, 61, 66, 98, 47, 18 and 40. For Tubby: 113, 35.

Again:
Three seasons.
25 non-conference games.
One BCS conference opponents
Zero BCS conference opponents scheduled by choice.
Zero at-large NCAA tournament qualifiers from the previous season.

That isn't good enough.

The-Real-Truth
09-21-2009, 08:12 AM
1999-00 (1) -- Virginia
2000-01 (2) -- Georgia, Nebraska
2001-02 (2) -- Nebraska, Oregon
2002-03 (3) -- Georgia, Georgia Tech, Texas Tech
2003-04 (1) -- Nebraska
2004-05 (1) -- Florida State
2005-06 (0)
2006-07 (3) -- Arizona State, Clemson, Iowa State

Average of 1.625 BCS home opponents per season. Two years with 3, two years with 2, one year with 0.

2007-08 (0)
2008-09 (1) -- Virginia
2009-10 (0)

Average of .333 BCS home opponents per season. No years with more than 1, two years with 0.

"Hire Monson back if you want."

BNOT, you know darn well that's not the argument we're making. But nice deflection, though.

Are you guys bored? This is a done deal. What is the point of fighting over it? Lets wait and see what happens this season. Tubby always had one of the toughest schedules in the nation at Uk. It is amazing that in 2 years you guys are expecting this much. This a rebuiling process. I will be paying $30 per game also. College basketball is not the same as what it used to be. There are too many issues that none of us know about. Just be patient and take one step at the time. Lets win the big 10 first. Football is very different than basketball. When I was at Purdue, Tiller used to win almost all the preseason games and then choke at big10. To be honest with you I hardly care about preseason. I want us to win the Big10. I want us to go undefeated all the way baby.

SelectionSunday
09-21-2009, 09:08 AM
"To be honest with you I hardly care about preseason."

Fair enough.

However, there are others like you paying $30 per game who feel quite differently. I think a lot of us would feel much obliged if we were able to get our blood boiling a couple times prior to the start of the Big 10 season. I don't think that's asking a lot considering there are roughly 8-10 nonconference home games every season.

Like Anonymous said, if Morgan State & SFA are two of your "best" 3 home games. ... yikes! There's a reason they've starting offering 3-for-1's with the Michigan State and Wisconsin games. They're worried there are going to be a lot of empty seats for the pre-conference yawners.

The-Real-Truth
09-21-2009, 09:37 AM
"To be honest with you I hardly care about preseason."

Fair enough.

However, there are others like you paying $30 per game who feel quite differently. I think a lot of us would feel much obliged if we were able to get our blood boiling a couple times prior to the start of the Big 10 season. I don't think that's asking a lot considering there are roughly 8-10 nonconference home games every season.

Like Anonymous said, if Morgan State & SFA are two of your "best" 3 home games. ... yikes!

You are right. It may be important to some people. This is just based on my experience. Again, when I was at West Lafayette, Keady invited UCLA for a preseason game. It was during Lavin era (he was on Keady's roster for a few seasons as an assistant). That year UCLA had a good team with Earl Watson, Kopono, Godizurik (not sure about spelling). That game was one of the most boring games that I have ever watched. That's why I don't even go to those games. I am more excited about Big10 games.

Mikie S
09-21-2009, 10:32 AM
Esposito says now teams don't want to play @ The Barn
With Kansas and Seton Hall on record about playing at The Barn, what will Esposito be using as an excuse in the furure?

SelectionSunday
09-21-2009, 10:36 AM
http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/123000aaa.html

"That game was one of the most boring games that I have ever watched."

Your definition of boring must be a lot different than mine. Purdue nearly came all the way back from a 16-point second-half deficit with 10 minutes left, cutting the lead to two with less than a minute to play. Yes, it sounds like it was a real snoozer. I'm guessing you left early.

The-Real-Truth
09-21-2009, 11:19 AM
http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/123000aaa.html

"That game was one of the most boring games that I have ever watched."

Your definition of boring must be a lot different than mine. Purdue nearly came all the way back from a 16-point second-half deficit with 10 minutes left, cutting the lead to two with less than a minute to play. Yes, it sounds like it was a real snoozer. I'm guessing you left early.

Believe it or not, I was there. It really wasn't pretty.

UST82Gopher
09-21-2009, 01:04 PM
is that, unlike most BCS schools, our basketball program has needed to turn a bigger than normal profit to cover for the lack of football income. We have been scheduling home opponents that do not require a large guarantee or a game back. We needed to have 13+ home non conference games. We have to - we needed the money. I don't like it - but it is the reality of the situation.

2009 is the dawn of a new era with The Bank. We will start, very soon, to see the real effects of on campus football - the $$$ that come with 50,000+ sell out crowds.

This is going to relieve some of the pressure on basketball - and I am guaranteeing that Maturi and Tubby will take advantage of it by scheduling more home-home BCS school in 2010 and beyond. Maturi is a competitive person, as is Tubby. They want to play (and be) the best.

If the 2010 still has few BCS games, I will stand corrected (and be pissed as hell)

SelectionSunday
09-21-2009, 01:46 PM
Respectfully. ...

"The real issue is that, unlike most BCS schools, our basketball program has needed to turn a bigger than normal profit to cover for the lack of football income."

If that is the case, then how were we able to schedule 2 or more BCS home opponents in the 2000-01, 2001-02, 2002-03 and 2006-07 seasons? Weren't the Gophers playing football in the Metrodome those years?

The-Real-Truth
09-21-2009, 02:17 PM
Respectfully. ...

"The real issue is that, unlike most BCS schools, our basketball program has needed to turn a bigger than normal profit to cover for the lack of football income."

If that is the case, then how were we able to schedule 2 or more BCS home opponents in the 2000-01, 2001-02, 2002-03 and 2006-07 seasons? Weren't the Gophers playing football in the Metrodome those years?

SelectionSunday,
You have been watching way too many Law and Order shows. Just let it go man. You are shortening your likespan.

GoAUpher
09-21-2009, 02:29 PM
SelectionSunday,
You have been watching way too many Law and Order shows. Just let it go man. You are shortening your likespan.

How so? Logic, reason, and facts will shorten his lifespan? :rolleyes:

The-Real-Truth
09-21-2009, 03:31 PM
How so? Logic, reason, and facts will shorten his lifespan? :rolleyes:

No, worring too much would. Three years ago this team was ...... Now, that is getting national attention, we are fighting for more. Greed is good. Be thankful for what you have.

UST82Gopher
09-21-2009, 05:51 PM
Respectfully. ...

"The real issue is that, unlike most BCS schools, our basketball program has needed to turn a bigger than normal profit to cover for the lack of football income."

If that is the case, then how were we able to schedule 2 or more BCS home opponents in the 2000-01, 2001-02, 2002-03 and 2006-07 seasons? Weren't the Gophers playing football in the Metrodome those years?

SS,

Not to pick a fight, but most of those games were home/home with Nebraska and Marquette. Marquette drop us when the moved to the Big East. Not sure why Nebraska was not renewed.

Was not the Clemson game in 2006-07 the ACC Challenge game? I don't see an ACC team that season.

From 2004-05 through today, there is a serious lack of BCS teams. That is both Monson and Tubby. I still submit that it was financially driven and not just a coaches "preference".

TubbytownUSA
09-21-2009, 06:02 PM
Certainly St Joe's, SFA, and Morgan St are good opponents. I'd expect Gophers to sweep home OOC games.

I guaranteed nothing like that. Pure BS on his part.

Those are not good opponents.

To me, a good opponent is one that you're actually kind of maybe even just a little bit worried about. I am worried about 0 of those teams. Should crush them all.

Dont give us this crap about you talked to Esposito and all that garbage....you know nothing more than any of us, clearly.

As the other poster said, this schedule is not more to my liking.

dingo
09-22-2009, 07:56 AM
No, worring too much would. Three years ago this team was ...... Now, that is getting national attention, we are fighting for more. Greed is good. Be thankful for what you have.

And 4 years ago in 2005 we played Oklahoma and Alabama in a pre-season tourney (much like this year) and made the NCAA tourney.

2005 Gopher record (http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=38665&SPID=3302&DB_OEM_ID=8400&ATCLID=271523)

Like I said at the start of this thread. Im ecstatic with what Tubby has done here at MN. But he NEEDS to start scheduling better. He has the talent, experience and expectations this year. Why not schedule like it!

Moonlight
09-22-2009, 10:52 AM
I don't see how there can be an argument that this will be a poor non-conference season to attend. I'm among those shelling out a lot of money for the season. Count me as completely enthusiastic about Tubby and lacking enthusiasm for most of the non-conference choices. And I'm pretty easy to please - a night at the Barn is a good time and I can't wait to get there. And yet there are plenty I won't cry about if I have a scheduling conflict this year. And no one ask for my tickets - I'll find a use for them because the resale value is nil. Last year NC tickets went for $5 outside. That was usually all I could get for extras (people often give us tickets when they can't go knowing our kids might use 'em). So, knowing that the street value of the non-conference season tickets is 1/6 of what I paid for it, and it could be different - well - that's the complaint

We have added some local opponents (Duluth and Moorhead State for exhibition??) and while they may all enjoy coming to the barn and playing, they are usually snoozers, with the exception of NDSU (who we are NOT playing this year). Add to this the new regulations for students ticket purchasing (I know, I know - you're all for it - good for you) and I doubt the even the student section will have good attendance for the non-conference. I hope I'm wrong, but at this point the compelling games are all BT.

UST - you may be right about the economics.

The-Real-Truth
09-22-2009, 12:29 PM
I don't see how there can be an argument that this will be a poor non-conference season to attend. I'm among those shelling out a lot of money for the season. Count me as completely enthusiastic about Tubby and lacking enthusiasm for most of the non-conference choices. And I'm pretty easy to please - a night at the Barn is a good time and I can't wait to get there. And yet there are plenty I won't cry about if I have a scheduling conflict this year. And no one ask for my tickets - I'll find a use for them because the resale value is nil. Last year NC tickets went for $5 outside. That was usually all I could get for extras (people often give us tickets when they can't go knowing our kids might use 'em). So, knowing that the street value of the non-conference season tickets is 1/6 of what I paid for it, and it could be different - well - that's the complaint

We have added some local opponents (Duluth and Moorhead State for exhibition??) and while they may all enjoy coming to the barn and playing, they are usually snoozers, with the exception of NDSU (who we are NOT playing this year). Add to this the new regulations for students ticket purchasing (I know, I know - you're all for it - good for you) and I doubt the even the student section will have good attendance for the non-conference. I hope I'm wrong, but at this point the compelling games are all BT.

UST - you may be right about the economics.

This was the post on this subject. I am with you. I want to win BT. I want to beat NW, PT, and Michigan for sure. I don't care if we beat Duke in November. I would love to beat them in March.

skoalvikings
09-22-2009, 05:27 PM
Maybe Tubby should quite trying to make sure our country spends itself out of existence and instead focus on getting a decent non-conference game scheduled.


http://www.startribune.com/local/60322222.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD 3aPc:_Yyc:aUUr

The-Real-Truth
09-23-2009, 08:14 AM
Maybe Tubby should quite trying to make sure our country spends itself out of existence and instead focus on getting a decent non-conference game scheduled.


http://www.startribune.com/local/60322222.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD 3aPc:_Yyc:aUUr

I like you to say the same thing when you or your loved ones get cancer.