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Who will Tubby get first for 2010 class?
By Marcus Fuller

Gophers coach Tubby Smith has made it pretty clear in his first two seasons here that he doesn't appear to be rushed when it comes to recruiting. And his classes have still turned out fine.

Despite receiving a commitment from Hopkins forward Rocye White in April 2008, Smith landed the other eight players in the last two recruiting classes in later months: August (Paul Carter), September (Rodney Williams Jr., Justin Cobbs, Colton Iverson), October (Trevor Mbakwe, Ralph Sampson III, Devron Bostick) and November (Devoe Joseph).

It shouldn't be all that surprising the University of Minnesota joins Northwestern as the only two Big Ten Conference men's basketball teams currently without a 2010 commitment. Ohio State (No. 1), Illinois (No. 3), Michigan State (No. 9) and Purdue (tied-No. 10) already have top 10 recruiting classes for 2010, according to Rivals.com.

Smith might not be in panic mode, but that doesn't mean Gophers fans aren't worried, especially when the state's talent pool is down and Minnesota's targets are slowly being snatched away.

This week alone has seen two of the best shooters in the country, both Iowa prospects with Gopher offers, make their decisions. Bishop Heelan forward Zach McCabe picked Iowa, which has four 2010 commitments (including Minnesota target Cody Larson). Marshalltown wing Chanse Creekmur followed Saturday by choosing Santa Clara (former Gophers and current Broncos assistant James Ware also helped land Hopkins guard Raymond Cowles and nearly got Williams in 2009).

McCabe and Creekmur were starting to build national reputations this summer, but Minnesota was still one of the better programs nearby that offered. It didn't seem out of the question to think one of them would strongly consider playing for Tubby Smith, but it didn't happen.

Now, where do the Gophers make their strongest effort for 2010?

Of course, Minnesota's No. 1 target is another Iowa product Harrison Barnes from Ames, but stealing the nation's top wing from Duke, North Carolina or Kansas would be like making a Final Four next year. It's a nice dream, but...duh...be realistic.

Smith is looking for a point guard or combo guard, a wing and a big man to fill his three available scholarships for 2010. There doesn't seem to be anyone close to committing to the Gophers, but here's a look at which players are tops on their list.

Point guard
Cory Joseph -- Brother of Gophers guard Devoe Joseph. Has elevated his stock considerably since leaving Canada for the U.S. after his sophomore year. Now that he's a five-star recruit, it seems inevitable he'll end up at a big-time program. Best offers: Arizona, Georgetown, Louisville and Marquette (Kansas could come soon). Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Vander Blue -- Former Wisconsin commit. Academic troubles forced him to reopen his recruitment, but I've heard the Badger state's top player might still become a part of Bo Ryan's 2010 class. Best offers: Arizona, Indiana, Marquette, Tennessee. Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Trevor Releford -- Brother of Kansas guard Travis Releford. He made a splash at the Sabes Invitational with KC Pump N Run this year. Unfortunately for the Gophers, the 5-foot-9 playmaker has been opening eyes everywhere else. Best offers: Oklahoma, Alabama, Tennessee, Texas A&M. Gophers chances: Possible.

Shooting guard
Trey Ziegler -- I only mention his name, because he's the top-ranked Gopher target at this position that is still available. But one report already mentioned his top 10 list with Minnesota absent. Best offers: Arizona, Michigan State, UCLA, Oklahoma. Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Aaron Cosby -- He visited the Gophers last November, so there's an early interest there. He hasn't been a huge hit this summer, but did play well at Indiana's elite camp. If Hoosiers coach Tom Crean really wants this kid, he could probably get him. We'll see. Best offers: Indiana, Oklahoma State, Butler, Minnesota. Gophers chances: Possible.

Jacob Thomas -- The state's top player would probably be the first to commit to the Gophers if there was an offer on the table. But Minnesota is looking at other options while it waits for his academics to improve. Thomas' shooting stroke could help the Gophers right away, but he might have to go to junior college. Best offers: Southern Illinois and Long Beach State. Gophers chances: Possible.

Small forward
Harrison Barnes -- No. 1-ranked recruit by Rivals.com, ESPN.com and others. Nuff said. Best offers: Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky. Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Casey Prather -- One of the biggest recruiting 2010 efforts for Minnesota was to get on Prather's current list. But there's one problem: The Tennessee native is strongly considering another Big Ten school though. Not only did he say recently Michigan will be on his final list, but he's already planning a trip there. Best offers: Wake Forest, Alabama, Clemson, Vanderbilt. Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Jelan Kendrick -- This Southern point-wing has made the biggest jump in the rankings so far this summer. Smith and assistant Ron Jirsa's ties to his native Georgia won't help as much as it did with Sampson. As his stock rises, Kendrick becomes tougher to sell on Minnesota. Best offers: Kentucky, Texas, Wake Forest, Georgetown. Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Power forward
Robert Gilchrist -- It seemed strange that a 6-8, 220-pound kid from London, England would end up at Tubby's team camp with a Wisconsin AAU team. But it worked out great for the Gophers, who are one of the first to see him play extensively. He's more of a shooter, so he could fit into what they're looking for on the wing. Best offers: none. Gophers chances: Possible.

Carlos Emmory -- If Emmory were entering the Big Ten right now, the only player more athletic than him would be Minnesota's incoming freshman Rodney Williams. That alone should be enough to make the 6-6, 225-pound local product a target for the Gophers. But he's likely headed to prep school or junior college? Best offers: none. Gophers chances: Unknown.

Center
Alex Kirk -- Another player who impressed Minnesota at the Sabes Invite enough to get an offer. Too bad he plays for Houston Hoops, one of the top AAU teams in the country. Now, all of the top programs on the West Coast know quite a bit about the New Mexico big man. Best offers: Arizona, Arizona State, Maryland, Southern California. Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Elliot Eliason -- Similar to the way Iverson fell under the radar until his final AAU season, Eliason hasn't quite grabbed the attention of big name schools. He might be more comfortable at a mid-major program though. It will be hard to beat out Creighton and Colorado State (former Gophers assistant Niko Medved is recruiting him). Best offers: Washington State, Minnesota, Nebraska. Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Alec Brown, Chad Calcaterra, Jake Kreuser -- None of these three in-state 6-foot-11 players have an offer from the Gophers, but they might be the only option for Minnesota if other strong big man targets don't surface. Calcaterra, who used to have an offer from Smith, might not commit if there was more interest again. Best offers of three: Auburn, Santa Clara, Colorado State. Gophers chances: Possible.

Smith's first 2010 commitment could come from one of these recruits, but chances are there are others out there who aren't even listed. Who will it be? Only time will tell.

http://blogs.twincities.com/gophers/2009/07/who-will-tubby-get-first-for-2.html

Go Gophers!!
 

yea this class isn't looking too promising right now. I think we have a legit shot at Barnes but nobody on that list with a solid offer is showing heavy interest in us
 

Who will Tubby get first for 2010 class?
By Marcus Fuller

Gophers coach Tubby Smith has made it pretty clear in his first two seasons here that he doesn't appear to be rushed when it comes to recruiting. And his classes have still turned out fine.

Despite receiving a commitment from Hopkins forward Rocye White in April 2008, Smith landed the other eight players in the last two recruiting classes in later months: August (Paul Carter), September (Rodney Williams Jr., Justin Cobbs, Colton Iverson), October (Trevor Mbakwe, Ralph Sampson III, Devron Bostick) and November (Devoe Joseph).

It shouldn't be all that surprising the University of Minnesota joins Northwestern as the only two Big Ten Conference men's basketball teams currently without a 2010 commitment. Ohio State (No. 1), Illinois (No. 3), Michigan State (No. 9) and Purdue (tied-No. 10) already have top 10 recruiting classes for 2010, according to Rivals.com.

Smith might not be in panic mode, but that doesn't mean Gophers fans aren't worried, especially when the state's talent pool is down and Minnesota's targets are slowly being snatched away.

This week alone has seen two of the best shooters in the country, both Iowa prospects with Gopher offers, make their decisions. Bishop Heelan forward Zach McCabe picked Iowa, which has four 2010 commitments (including Minnesota target Cody Larson). Marshalltown wing Chanse Creekmur followed Saturday by choosing Santa Clara (former Gophers and current Broncos assistant James Ware also helped land Hopkins guard Raymond Cowles and nearly got Williams in 2009).

McCabe and Creekmur were starting to build national reputations this summer, but Minnesota was still one of the better programs nearby that offered. It didn't seem out of the question to think one of them would strongly consider playing for Tubby Smith, but it didn't happen.

Now, where do the Gophers make their strongest effort for 2010?

Of course, Minnesota's No. 1 target is another Iowa product Harrison Barnes from Ames, but stealing the nation's top wing from Duke, North Carolina or Kansas would be like making a Final Four next year. It's a nice dream, but...duh...be realistic.

Smith is looking for a point guard or combo guard, a wing and a big man to fill his three available scholarships for 2010. There doesn't seem to be anyone close to committing to the Gophers, but here's a look at which players are tops on their list.

Point guard
Cory Joseph -- Brother of Gophers guard Devoe Joseph. Has elevated his stock considerably since leaving Canada for the U.S. after his sophomore year. Now that he's a five-star recruit, it seems inevitable he'll end up at a big-time program. Best offers: Arizona, Georgetown, Louisville and Marquette (Kansas could come soon). Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Vander Blue -- Former Wisconsin commit. Academic troubles forced him to reopen his recruitment, but I've heard the Badger state's top player might still become a part of Bo Ryan's 2010 class. Best offers: Arizona, Indiana, Marquette, Tennessee. Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Trevor Releford -- Brother of Kansas guard Travis Releford. He made a splash at the Sabes Invitational with KC Pump N Run this year. Unfortunately for the Gophers, the 5-foot-9 playmaker has been opening eyes everywhere else. Best offers: Oklahoma, Alabama, Tennessee, Texas A&M. Gophers chances: Possible.

Shooting guard
Trey Ziegler -- I only mention his name, because he's the top-ranked Gopher target at this position that is still available. But one report already mentioned his top 10 list with Minnesota absent. Best offers: Arizona, Michigan State, UCLA, Oklahoma. Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Aaron Cosby -- He visited the Gophers last November, so there's an early interest there. He hasn't been a huge hit this summer, but did play well at Indiana's elite camp. If Hoosiers coach Tom Crean really wants this kid, he could probably get him. We'll see. Best offers: Indiana, Oklahoma State, Butler, Minnesota. Gophers chances: Possible.

Jacob Thomas -- The state's top player would probably be the first to commit to the Gophers if there was an offer on the table. But Minnesota is looking at other options while it waits for his academics to improve. Thomas' shooting stroke could help the Gophers right away, but he might have to go to junior college. Best offers: Southern Illinois and Long Beach State. Gophers chances: Possible.

Small forward
Harrison Barnes -- No. 1-ranked recruit by Rivals.com, ESPN.com and others. Nuff said. Best offers: Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky. Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Casey Prather -- One of the biggest recruiting 2010 efforts for Minnesota was to get on Prather's current list. But there's one problem: The Tennessee native is strongly considering another Big Ten school though. Not only did he say recently Michigan will be on his final list, but he's already planning a trip there. Best offers: Wake Forest, Alabama, Clemson, Vanderbilt. Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Jelan Kendrick -- This Southern point-wing has made the biggest jump in the rankings so far this summer. Smith and assistant Ron Jirsa's ties to his native Georgia won't help as much as it did with Sampson. As his stock rises, Kendrick becomes tougher to sell on Minnesota. Best offers: Kentucky, Texas, Wake Forest, Georgetown. Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Power forward
Robert Gilchrist -- It seemed strange that a 6-8, 220-pound kid from London, England would end up at Tubby's team camp with a Wisconsin AAU team. But it worked out great for the Gophers, who are one of the first to see him play extensively. He's more of a shooter, so he could fit into what they're looking for on the wing. Best offers: none. Gophers chances: Possible.

Carlos Emmory -- If Emmory were entering the Big Ten right now, the only player more athletic than him would be Minnesota's incoming freshman Rodney Williams. That alone should be enough to make the 6-6, 225-pound local product a target for the Gophers. But he's likely headed to prep school or junior college? Best offers: none. Gophers chances: Unknown.

Center
Alex Kirk -- Another player who impressed Minnesota at the Sabes Invite enough to get an offer. Too bad he plays for Houston Hoops, one of the top AAU teams in the country. Now, all of the top programs on the West Coast know quite a bit about the New Mexico big man. Best offers: Arizona, Arizona State, Maryland, Southern California. Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Elliot Eliason -- Similar to the way Iverson fell under the radar until his final AAU season, Eliason hasn't quite grabbed the attention of big name schools. He might be more comfortable at a mid-major program though. It will be hard to beat out Creighton and Colorado State (former Gophers assistant Niko Medved is recruiting him). Best offers: Washington State, Minnesota, Nebraska. Gophers chances: Unlikely.

Alec Brown, Chad Calcaterra, Jake Kreuser -- None of these three in-state 6-foot-11 players have an offer from the Gophers, but they might be the only option for Minnesota if other strong big man targets don't surface. Calcaterra, who used to have an offer from Smith, might not commit if there was more interest again. Best offers of three: Auburn, Santa Clara, Colorado State. Gophers chances: Possible.

Smith's first 2010 commitment could come from one of these recruits, but chances are there are others out there who aren't even listed. Who will it be? Only time will tell.

http://blogs.twincities.com/gophers/2009/07/who-will-tubby-get-first-for-2.html

Go Gophers!!

I trust Tubby, but this isn't looking good...at all.
 

Wow Marcus either forgot that Dan Monson doesn't coach here, been reading catspause about Tubby's recruiting abilities, or bought into the UVA talk about the weather keeping anyone from coming here.

If Arizona, Colorado State, or Wisconsin is on a guy forget it, he won't consider the Gophs. Good thing that Sampson, Joseph, Iverson had only Juco offers and Williams decided not to take that Santa Clara offer.

What did Tubby do to Marcus to prompt those takes? Is he on orders from the Pioneer Press to rip the program because they still blame the program for their financial problems after they published the Clemgate story a day before the opening round game in 1999?
 

yea this class isn't looking too promising right now. I think we have a legit shot at Barnes but nobody on that list with a solid offer is showing heavy interest in us

If the Gophers landed Barnes, everything else would be icing on the cake. He could single-handedly make this signing class one of the top in the conference.
With that said, I wouldn't get my hopes up. Minnesota, as much as the program appears to be on the rise, is still Minnesota.
 


Wow Marcus either forgot that Dan Monson doesn't coach here, been reading catspause about Tubby's recruiting abilities, or bought into the UVA talk about the weather keeping anyone from coming here.

If Arizona, Colorado State, or Wisconsin is on a guy forget it, he won't consider the Gophs. Good thing that Sampson, Joseph, Iverson had only Juco offers and Williams decided not to take that Santa Clara offer.

What did Tubby do to Marcus to prompt those takes? Is he on orders from the Pioneer Press to rip the program because they still blame the program for their financial problems after they published the Clemgate story a day before the opening round game in 1999?

What's there to argue with? I would have given the same assessment. We don't appear to be in good shape to land any of those top guys.
 

Wow Marcus either forgot that Dan Monson doesn't coach here, been reading catspause about Tubby's recruiting abilities, or bought into the UVA talk about the weather keeping anyone from coming here.

If Arizona, Colorado State, or Wisconsin is on a guy forget it, he won't consider the Gophs. Good thing that Sampson, Joseph, Iverson had only Juco offers and Williams decided not to take that Santa Clara offer.

What did Tubby do to Marcus to prompt those takes? Is he on orders from the Pioneer Press to rip the program because they still blame the program for their financial problems after they published the Clemgate story a day before the opening round game in 1999?

Wait, I'm guess the comment about the juco offers was sarcastic..
 

I Don't Consider Marcus Fuller "In The Know" On Recruiting

ESPN lists recruits' possible schools in the current order of preference.

Gophers are listed in top 2 or 3 choices for Joseph, Releford, Thomas, Kirk, Kreklow, and Calcaterra.

Both Joseph and Releford have the Gophers listed first by ESPN.
 

I made the mistake of being alarmed about this topic during July two summers ago when all Tubby had to show was a reach (Garth) who mercifully decided to part ways and head to New Mexico. To his credit FOT told me it would be alright, and Tubby delivered.

We'll hold serve on the recruiting trail as long as Tubby has Vince Taylor on staff. It might not be on par with the past two classes, but we'll do fine.

Another note that deserves attention is the fact that as good as the past two classes have been, I don't see a player likely to jump into the draft early or appear to have character issues that would find them being shown the door. Factor the 4 year window of the players in those classes and they might need to be rated higher.
 



I don't consider ESPN "in the know" on recruiting

ESPN lists recruits' possible schools in the current order of preference.

Gophers are listed in top 2 or 3 choices for Joseph, Releford, Thomas, Kirk, Kreklow, and Calcaterra.

Both Joseph and Releford have the Gophers listed first by ESPN.

ESPN's lists of preference is about as up-to-date/reliable as those of Rivals or Scout -- which is to say, not at all.
 

I made the mistake of being alarmed about this topic during July two summers ago when all Tubby had to show was a reach (Garth) who mercifully decided to part ways and head to New Mexico. To his credit FOT told me it would be alright, and Tubby delivered.

We'll hold serve on the recruiting trail as long as Tubby has Vince Taylor on staff. It might not be on par with the past two classes, but we'll do fine.

Another note that deserves attention is the fact that as good as the past two classes have been, I don't see a player likely to jump into the draft early or appear to have character issues that would find them being shown the door. Factor the 4 year window of the players in those classes and they might need to be rated higher.

Why would you have been alarmed two summers ago? We knew that Sampson was heavily interested in us. We knew that Joseph was heavily interested. We knew that Iverson was heavily interested. There was room for optimism.
 

ESPN's lists of preference is about as up-to-date/reliable as those of Rivals or Scout -- which is to say, not at all.

Rivals or Scout, I agree = worthless.

ESPN (Scouts Inc) isn't perfect but they do list the recruits' preferences in order. And they do change them, up or down.
 

I made the mistake of being alarmed about this topic during July two summers ago when all Tubby had to show was a reach (Garth) who mercifully decided to part ways and head to New Mexico. To his credit FOT told me it would be alright, and Tubby delivered.

We'll hold serve on the recruiting trail as long as Tubby has Vince Taylor on staff. It might not be on par with the past two classes, but we'll do fine.

Another note that deserves attention is the fact that as good as the past two classes have been, I don't see a player likely to jump into the draft early or appear to have character issues that would find them being shown the door. Factor the 4 year window of the players in those classes and they might need to be rated higher.

Taylor is a superb recruiter. Saul recruited Devoe Joseph (for example).

Ron Jirsa is also a very good recruiter. He helped Tubby land "ranked" classes at Georgia and Minnesota. And Tubby himself is a good recruiter, too. Harrison Barnes' Mom likes him the best of any coach recruiting her son.
 



Rivals or Scout, I agree = worthless.

ESPN (Scouts Inc) isn't perfect but they do list the recruits' preferences in order. And they do change them, up or down.

So Kentucky really is in Harrison Barnes' top five?
 

Why would you have been alarmed two summers ago? We knew that Sampson was heavily interested in us. We knew that Joseph was heavily interested. We knew that Iverson was heavily interested. There was room for optimism.

I was alarmed because like now he hadn't closed the door on any of the three and there was a poor perception about his recruiting leaving Kentucky. Joseph, Sampson, and Iverson had some big programs after them and landing all three targets seemed unrealistic. I was confident about Iverson, and was shocked that Joseph's Canadian coach didn't deliver him to Barnes after he didn't bite with Self. Sampson seemed more likely to land in the ACC or SEC. But like Barnes, mom liked Tubby.

I wasn't the only person uneasy with how the recruiting was progressing. I admit my mistake and am not concerned at this point.
 

There are top guys that sign with programs other than Duke, Kansas or North Carolina every year. Marcus seems to believe the Gophers can only land recruits nobody else has any interest in.

Chances Marcus Fuller's predictions are correct: Unlikely.
 

Some think that the 2010 class is not necessarily loaded with talent. Why take someone for the sake of filling a scholly unless it is understood that it's a year-to-year thing? A year might make a difference in the over-looked players and the Gophers will get more consideration with a great 2009-2010 season. Then there 's the option of carrying some schollies over to the 2011 class. Is Marcus from Minnesota? I wouldn't put him in charge of tourism.
 

I am more than puzzled by Marcus' list of "best offers". I assumed he meant "best offers besides the Gophers", but then lists Minnesota among the "best offers" for Cosby and Eliason. I assume this was an error, I'd hate to think Marcus thinks all of the schools he listed are better offers than Minnesota.
 


I am more than puzzled by Marcus' list of "best offers". I assumed he meant "best offers besides the Gophers", but then lists Minnesota among the "best offers" for Cosby and Eliason. I assume this was an error, I'd hate to think Marcus thinks all of the schools he listed are better offers than Minnesota.

Cosby reclassified to the 2011 class. He's not a 2010 recruit.
 

ya'll, lets not forget that Tubby is here to prove himself too. He was murderred by UK fans when he recruited those players like Prince, Bogan, Hays,..... when all he did was winning. Tubby is also about player develpoment. He gets players that are intelligent on and off the court. He is very different than Self, couch K, Williams and Cal. He cares about these things, 1. players and their future 2. reputaion of school 3. winning. I have watched Tubby's games for the last 12 years. I am not worried and niether should you. He will take Minnesota to the top. Just be patient.
 

Recruits may feel the gophers will be loaded the next three years and playing time will be hard to come by. This could impact the perspective of some recruits. We are not North Carolina who gets them every year.
 

The tenor of Marcus' article was decidedly pessimistic. I guess that's what happens when you don't get a verbal during the spring or summer. No verbals apparently equals no chance of getting recruits you want.

Personally, I have plenty of faith in Tubby, Jirsa and Taylor to bring in a couple of quality recruits regardless of what the rags think. At this point, I'm more focused on our team for next year, which figures to be a pretty darn good one. As to the rest of it, I'm not really all that worried.
 

No verbals apparently equals no chance of getting recruits you want.

Little to no interest from the recruits you want equals no chance of getting the recruits you want.
 

Little to no interest from the recruits you want equals no chance of getting the recruits you want.

Thanks for the insight. :rolleyes:

As an aside, I doubt that Marcus knows enough to make that assertion.
 

Marcus is from hawaii. He is also more in the know on recruiting than people are giving him credit for. Marcus spent alot of time at both the Pulley and recently the Pump N Run tourny talking to alot of kids and coaches. I heard him say most of what was in that article last week and while I didn't fully agree with him that it was that bad, it's hard to disagree that with Creekmur and McCabe off the board and Jacob's grades so bad and none of the in state big men under strong consideration, it is a big mystery of where our first commit will come from. By the way, Taylor was the key to recruiting Joseph, not Saul.
 

Marcus is from hawaii. He is also more in the know on recruiting than people are giving him credit for. Marcus spent alot of time at both the Pulley and recently the Pump N Run tourny talking to alot of kids and coaches. I heard him say most of what was in that article last week and while I didn't fully agree with him that it was that bad, it's hard to disagree that with Creekmur and McCabe off the board and Jacob's grades so bad and none of the in state big men under strong consideration, it is a big mystery of where our first commit will come from. By the way, Taylor was the key to recruiting Joseph, not Saul.

Saul first scouted him at Pittsburgh AAU event. No doubt Taylor was/is a factor. Recruits come to Minnesota because of Tubby, no assistant coach(es).
 


Marcus is from hawaii. He is also more in the know on recruiting than people are giving him credit for. Marcus spent alot of time at both the Pulley and recently the Pump N Run tourny talking to alot of kids and coaches. I heard him say most of what was in that article last week and while I didn't fully agree with him that it was that bad, it's hard to disagree that with Creekmur and McCabe off the board and Jacob's grades so bad and none of the in state big men under strong consideration, it is a big mystery of where our first commit will come from. By the way, Taylor was the key to recruiting Joseph, not Saul.

Well said.
 

We can take a project post player because there won't be a lot of minutes behind Mbwake 1 year and Iverson and Sampson 2 years. Maybe Calcaterra would work there.

Releford and Joseph are big targets because the jury is out on Nolen and who knows about Cobbs. We could stock the wing with JUCO recruits and I'm surprised that none have surfaced yet on our radar.
 




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