View Full Version : Damn, Hasan Lipscomb, headed to JUCO
BleedGopher
07-13-2009, 08:42 AM
per Marcus Fuller:
Top Gophers football recruit headed for junior college instead
For the second straight year, one of the University of Minnesota's top football recruits apparently did not qualify to play for the Gophers out of high school.
Four-star Houston Cypress Ridge High School running back Hasan Lipscomb was expected to compete for a starting spot at Minnesota this season, but didn't get the college-entrance-exam score he needed and will attend Blinn Junior College in Brenham, Texas, Cypress Ridge coach Gary Thiebaud wrote in an e-mail to the Pioneer Press today.
"He hopes to play for the University of Minnesota in the future," Thiebaud wrote. "He has to go the JC route first."
Last season, Gophers coach Tim Brewster had the 17th-ranked recruiting class in the nation and third-ranked class in the Big Ten. But four-star quarterback MarQueis Gray from Indianapolis couldn't play because of an invalid ACT score. Gray eventually joined the team for spring practice this year. Rivals.com had ranked the Gophers' 2009 recruiting class No. 6 in the Big Ten. Rivals also called the 5-foot-11, 200-pound Lipscomb a "major get" from one of Texas' best high school teams, and "tough enough to be an everyday, carry-the-load type of back."
The top recruit in this year's incoming class, College of the Canyons (Calif.) All-American wide receiver Hayo Carpenter, hasn't enrolled in summer school at Minnesota yet.
But College of the Canyons coach Garrett Tujague told the Pioneer Press last week that Carpenter was on his way to Minnesota with "transcripts in hand." Carpenter is projected as a potential starter for the Gophers alongside All-Big Ten receiver Eric Decker.
Even without Lipscomb, Minnesota still returns redshirt sophomore Duane Bennett, sophomore DeLeon Eskridge and redshirt freshman Kevin Whaley, who had a strong spring.
Go Gophers!!
old chap
07-13-2009, 08:49 AM
That just ruined my day.
Plinnius
07-13-2009, 08:58 AM
Now we have to wait until the other shoe drops with Carpenter and we should be ready to ROCK AND ROLL this season!!! YEAH BAY-BEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gopher07
07-13-2009, 08:58 AM
FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDGEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HopHead
07-13-2009, 09:13 AM
FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDGEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only he didn't say "Fudge." He said THE word, the big one, the queen-mother of dirty words, the "F-dash-dash-dash" word!
Schnauzer
07-13-2009, 09:19 AM
I hope Bennet's knee feels good-n-frisky. This news was a major bummer. Similar to losing Gray last year.
Well that just plain sucks. Figured it was coming but always hard to hear the other shoe fall.
Someday I hope we are in a position to get solid student athletes to headline our classes.
Big Loss, but to be honest, I always felt like he was going to redshirt, just a feeling dunno.
Carpenter news sounds good though, similar to Traye Simmons JUCO deal last year, hopefully Brew and Crew keep in touch with Hasan and get him to join next year.
Rotundo
07-13-2009, 09:45 AM
When you throw out Lipscomb, Hayo and Searcy the 09 class doesn't look so great. Brewster really needs a very good season this year or the shine will be completely off, if it was ever there to begin with. Does anybody really expect Hayo to make it?
Plinnius
07-13-2009, 09:48 AM
When you throw out Lipscomb, Hayo and Searcy the 09 class doesn't look so great. Brewster really needs a very good season this year or the shine will be completely off, if it was ever there to begin with. Does anybody really expect Hayo to make it?
Why would you throw out Searcy? It was never presumed that he would be with the team this fall.
ConferenceChamp
07-13-2009, 09:59 AM
per Marcus Fuller:
Top Gophers football recruit headed for junior college instead
For the second straight year, one of the University of Minnesota's top football recruits apparently did not qualify to play for the Gophers out of high school.
Four-star Houston Cypress Ridge High School running back Hasan Lipscomb was expected to compete for a starting spot at Minnesota this season, but didn't get the college-entrance-exam score he needed and will attend Blinn Junior College in Brenham, Texas, Cypress Ridge coach Gary Thiebaud wrote in an e-mail to the Pioneer Press today.
"He hopes to play for the University of Minnesota in the future," Thiebaud wrote. "He has to go the JC route first."
Last season, Gophers coach Tim Brewster had the 17th-ranked recruiting class in the nation and third-ranked class in the Big Ten. But four-star quarterback MarQueis Gray from Indianapolis couldn't play because of an invalid ACT score. Gray eventually joined the team for spring practice this year. Rivals.com had ranked the Gophers' 2009 recruiting class No. 6 in the Big Ten. Rivals also called the 5-foot-11, 200-pound Lipscomb a "major get" from one of Texas' best high school teams, and "tough enough to be an everyday, carry-the-load type of back."
The top recruit in this year's incoming class, College of the Canyons (Calif.) All-American wide receiver Hayo Carpenter, hasn't enrolled in summer school at Minnesota yet.
But College of the Canyons coach Garrett Tujague told the Pioneer Press last week that Carpenter was on his way to Minnesota with "transcripts in hand." Carpenter is projected as a potential starter for the Gophers alongside All-Big Ten receiver Eric Decker.
Didn't Patrick Reusse "call this one" about 6 months ago? It sounded like Reusse had some inside info at the time.
Searcy was always going to Greyshirt, and I fully expect Hayo to be here when camp starts.
He just got his transcripts like last week, I'm sure it will take a week or so to get himself packed and ready to move, he should be here before too long.
Reusse "calls" whatever negative possibility he can think of, throws it up on the wall and take credit for whatever sticks. He's a CLOWN!, sorry but the guy literally is the worst form of gutter journalist in the TC area. Anything to trash or cut down a local team just to get attention.
When you throw out Lipscomb, Hayo and Searcy the 09 class doesn't look so great. Brewster really needs a very good season this year or the shine will be completely off, if it was ever there to begin with. Does anybody really expect Hayo to make it?
If you trust his JC coach, yes Hayo will be here. But reservations stem from the fact that the man said that in Janauary, and again in May however Hayo has yet to be seen.
But I too am thinking that if you look at the casualties from 07, 08, and now 09 Brewsters MO as recruiting savant is struggling to hold water as there has been a lot of top of the class losses who never showed up or couldn't make it into their second season.
Will Hasan be back? I will commend Brewster's ability to stick with Gray and bring him back into the fold and definitely think that he proved he will put the work in to keep those who fell a little short.
borninthebarn
07-13-2009, 10:17 AM
But I too am thinking that if you look at the casualties from 07, 08, and now 09 Brewsters MO as recruiting savant is struggling to hold water as there has been a lot of top of the class losses who never showed up or couldn't make it into their second season.
Until you become a destination, you take risks on top athletes. I think Brewster has met and exceeded expectation getting the classes together that he did. There is risk and we will lose a few along the way until we are good enough to demand both student and athlete.
Bayfieldgopher
07-13-2009, 10:24 AM
I think Brewster expects all incoming to enroll in Summer session. When they aren't it raises red flags unless they are RS or grey shirts. Not a huge surprise as I was kinda expecting this being absent.
Unless Brewster sticks with him like smell on a pile of fresh dog do-do, or the kid really, really wants to be a Gopher, the chances of him playing for us down the road has been greatly minimized.
grunkiejr
07-13-2009, 12:11 PM
If you trust his JC coach, yes Hayo will be here. But reservations stem from the fact that the man said that in Janauary, and again in May however Hayo has yet to be seen.
But I too am thinking that if you look at the casualties from 07, 08, and now 09 Brewsters MO as recruiting savant is struggling to hold water as there has been a lot of top of the class losses who never showed up or couldn't make it into their second season.
Is '07 really Brewster's class considering he was hired 2-3 weeks prior to LOI day? Did we actually have any losses from the "top of the class" in 2007 because after Jacobs (the only 4* and a projected starter this year) I struggle find the top of the class and Jacobs doesn't fit your characterization. As far as 2008, the last time I checked the only 4* that committed that is not expected to be on campus this is fall is Hill.
This stuff happens to even the best teams that can afford to be more selective than Minnesota. OSU has already had one RB announce he is going to Juco and their other RB commit is facing charges for drug possession in FL (recently downgraded from felony possession). Michigan has had a slew of transfers including McGuffie, their top RB prospect in the 2008 class. Iowa already had a TE from their 2009 class arrive on campus in January to participate in spring practice that has decided to transfer. The recruiting services redo their rankings for enrollment every year because most teams have at least one casualty that never makes it to campus.
Rotundo
07-13-2009, 12:26 PM
What matters now is wins. If we win games, losing the top end guys in each class won't matter. If we keep losing it won't matter if we get everybody in. Wins and losses are now the way to judge Brewster.
Is '07 really Brewster's class considering he was hired 2-3 weeks prior to LOI day? Did we actually have any losses from the "top of the class" in 2007 because after Jacobs (the only 4* and a projected starter this year) I struggle find the top of the class and Jacobs doesn't fit your characterization. As far as 2008, the last time I checked the only 4* that committed that is not expected to be on campus this is fall is Hill.
This stuff happens to even the best teams that can afford to be more selective than Minnesota. OSU has already had one RB announce he is going to Juco and their other RB commit is facing charges for drug possession in FL (recently downgraded from felony possession). Michigan has had a slew of transfers including McGuffie, their top RB prospect in the 2008 class. Iowa already had a TE from their 2009 class arrive on campus in January to participate in spring practice that has decided to transfer. The recruiting services redo their rankings for enrollment every year because most teams have at least one casualty that never makes it to campus.
I understand that this happens, seemingly more and more, especially in the Big Ten. It is troublesome because keeping the talent that Brewster garnished in his 08 and 09 classes was the obvious road to elevating this program and looking forward to this season how much will we be missing Brock, Smith, Hill, Gayden or even Harold Howell (former GHole golden boy). Okay not so much Howell. The stacked group of WR we were talking about in February '08 is looking less stacked.
What was really frustrating is that we thought we had two rivals 4 star RB coming in as of this time last year, and now we have nothing but question marks moving into 09. Three backs with old serious injuries in Whaley, Bennett, and Thomas and two former true freshmen who didn't exactly radiate glory on the field last year in Salamon and Eskridge. I think we can officially keep the pressure on '10 RB prospects!
PS Have we not heard enough from the '07 apologists? It was a short class but it is all Brewster, so enough with the BS and move on.
No doubt 07 has to be on Brewster, but I think it's obvious what he was trying to do. Bring in immediate talent and speed, he took alot of risks and many of them bit him(Thomas, Howell, White, Spry,Uu) I won't blame him for trying to get some playmakers ASAP, he did bring in a few quality players that year, Small, Theret, and kept most of the Mason recruits.
It was a hit or miss class that was put together in a hurry, but was still better than what would have been if Mason had been in charge. The reason this squad has had problems the last few years wasn't because of the 07 class, it's been the 04,05,06 classes.
go4fan
07-13-2009, 01:58 PM
I am so tired of hearing about kids who can't qualify because of school. I realize our educational system in MN is more gooder then in other places but lets be honest, if you put in any effort AT ALL you will do good enough to get into a college especially if you are an athlete. Ugh I was a huge Brewster backer before but now I am VERY VERY slowly starting to get turn against him. Can we please recruit some STUDENT athletes?? If Hayo doesn't qualify, I may punch a baby.
Bronko Nagurski Gopher
07-13-2009, 02:05 PM
I am so tired of hearing about kids who can't qualify because of school. I realize our educational system in MN is more gooder then in other places but lets be honest, if you put in any effort AT ALL you will do good enough to get into a college especially if you are an athlete. Ugh I was a huge Brewster backer before but now I am VERY VERY slowly starting to get turn against him. Can we please recruit some STUDENT athletes?? If Hayo doesn't qualify, I may punch a baby.
you wrote: "i realize our educational system in MN is more gooder then other places". are you f-ing serious?! apparently you did not partake in our "gooder" education system in MN if this is the level at which you write basic sentences. talk about the pot calling the kettle black. wow!
p.s. also, please get off you high-horse about brewster and his recruiting. he is doing a fine job of it given the circumstances in which he must work.
howeda7
07-13-2009, 02:08 PM
you wrote: "i realize our educational system in MN is more gooder then other places". are you f-ing serious?! apparently you did not partake in our "gooder" education system in MN if this is the level at which you write basic sentences. talk about the pot calling the kettle black. wow!
p.s. also, please get off you high-horse about brewster and his recruiting. he is doing a fine job of it given the circumstances in which he must work.
I pray that the above 'more gooder' comment was sarcasm. I took it as such, obviously you did not. For the sake of the author, I hope it was.
dpodoll68
07-13-2009, 02:30 PM
What matters now is wins. If we win games, losing the top end guys in each class won't matter. If we keep losing it won't matter if we get everybody in. Wins and losses are now the way to judge Brewster.
He used a variation of the word "win" three times in four sentences.
I think you're onto something, Bronko...this guy is suspiciously Wren-ish.
go4fan
07-13-2009, 02:30 PM
Holy hell BNG relax. It was sarcasm. Do you know what that is? Bad day at work?
grunkiejr
07-13-2009, 02:51 PM
PS Have we not heard enough from the '07 apologists? It was a short class but it is all Brewster, so enough with the BS and move on.
Would you have preferred not using scholarships for 2 years? As you know we are limited to 85 scholarships and 25 per class. With the number of players graduating in 2008 the 2008 class was going to be a full class regardless of how many players we took in 2007. Consequently not filling the 2007 class would have left scholarships unused until we could give them as part of the 2009 class.
You can complain about getting hit by APR and losing 3 scholarships but I agree with the choice to take academic risks in 2007. Not taking the risks would have had the effect of not using all 85 scholarships in 2007 & 2008--the same as taking a penalty a few years later if the students don't work out. The alternative choice would have been to take good students that are borderline DI prospects hoping that one or two is a late bloomer.
grunkiejr
07-13-2009, 03:16 PM
I am so tired of hearing about kids who can't qualify because of school. I realize our educational system in MN is more gooder then in other places but lets be honest, if you put in any effort AT ALL you will do good enough to get into a college especially if you are an athlete. Ugh I was a huge Brewster backer before but now I am VERY VERY slowly starting to get turn against him. Can we please recruit some STUDENT athletes?? If Hayo doesn't qualify, I may punch a baby.
The sad reality about college athletics is that this happens at every school. Last year the only teams in the top 25 ranked classes on LOI day that had every player on campus in September were Notre Dame and UCLA. From the top 10 classes on signing day Alabama lost 3 4-star players, Florida lost a 4-star safety, OSU lost a 3-star DT, Miami lost a 4-star OL & 3-star LB, Oklahoma actually had every player make it but a 4-star WR got kicked off the team in August, Georgia lost a 4-star DE, FSU lost 3 players including 1 4-star, USC lost 2 4-star players and a 3-star, and Michigan lost a 4-star LB. Feel free to make your own opinion on our coaching staff but at least recognize that we're not unique in not having big time players qualify. Mason always had issues too but the players that failed to qualify like Jamar Howard didn't garner the same attention that a Hasan Lipscomb does.
Vanilla Gorilla
07-13-2009, 03:37 PM
The sad reality about college athletics is that this happens at every school. Last year the only teams in the top 25 ranked classes on LOI day that had every player on campus in September were Notre Dame and UCLA. From the top 10 classes on signing day Alabama lost 3 4-star players, Florida lost a 4-star safety, OSU lost a 3-star DT, Miami lost a 4-star OL & 3-star LB, Oklahoma actually had every player make it but a 4-star WR got kicked off the team in August, Georgia lost a 4-star DE, FSU lost 3 players including 1 4-star, USC lost 2 4-star players and a 3-star, and Michigan lost a 4-star LB. Feel free to make your own opinion on our coaching staff but at least recognize that we're not unique in not having big time players qualify. Mason always had issues too but the players that failed to qualify like Jamar Howard didn't garner the same attention that a Hasan Lipscomb does.
Please save this information and post it everytime someone complains about "this Brewster" recruiting non-student athletes.
My other favorite quote was by someone on this board. "The best way to enjoy college football is to be blissfully unaware about what goes on behind the scenes."
RodentRampage
07-13-2009, 03:37 PM
Is '07 really Brewster's class considering he was hired 2-3 weeks prior to LOI day?
No.
cjcarter8
07-13-2009, 03:46 PM
This isn't a shocking event considering the fact that Lipscomb is a transplant to Houston due to Hurricane Katrina. I feel that it was thought that this was a possibility the whole time. I heard somewhere that the majority of his school records from New Orleans were destroyed. This is a situation that Brewster had to take a chance because Lipscomb is too good of a player not to take a chance on.
sonnygarcia
07-13-2009, 06:40 PM
If Hayo doesn't qualify, I may punch a baby.
One of the better quotes I've heard on the board :D
go4fan
07-13-2009, 08:01 PM
good point grunkie. i never gave thought that this probably does happen everywhere. i guess i get confused when these young men have an opportunity to plya college football and have school paid for but can't do it because they did not put in enough effort in HS. i am not placing all of the blame on them but lets all be honest. regardless of how s****y your HS, if you put in a little bit of effort you will get into college.
Gopher4life15
07-13-2009, 08:18 PM
This stuff pisses me off, it is not that hard to become eligible for the U of M or most State College's for that matter. How stupid are these kids? SCHOOL FIRST . . . FOOTBALL SECOND.
They have had countless examples of people before them who have done the same thing. You would think that they might think, hmmmm I am talented enough to play D-1 Football, maybe just maybe I should focus on my studies so that when the time comes I am eligible to play D-1 football.
I am so sick and tired of stupid athletes instead of STUDENT ATHLETES! :(
Takes the fun out of D-1 athletics for me when I hear this stuff, would rather go watch real student athletes in the MIAC. Kids who take their studies just as serious as there academics.
Handsome Pete
07-13-2009, 08:53 PM
Didn't Patrick Reusse "call this one" about 6 months ago? It sounded like Reusse had some inside info at the time.
Yes he did. When the Gray trouble started last summer, we had two four star commits- Lipscomb and Eric Stephens (who wound up committing to Texas Tech). His quote was something to the effect that if you think our 2008 class was bad academically, Lipscomb and Stephens would take the cake.
Rotundo
07-13-2009, 08:55 PM
Why has he quit trying to take the exam? Couldn't he take it again before school starts?
GopherFan75
07-13-2009, 09:45 PM
would rather go watch real student athletes in the MIAC. Kids who take their studies just as serious as there academics.
Don't studies and academics go together?
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I am disappointed that Lipscomb has to go the JUCO route, and I hope the staff is in on a big time back for the 2010 class. The kid from Florida seems like a great back up, but he's yet another back on the roster that lacks breakaway speed. At one point we had Stephens and Lipscomb both in the 2009 class and now we have neither. Losing Hayo would be a far bigger blow as I expect him to have a huge impact opposite Decker this year. We can't afford to lose two playmakers with speed out of this recruiting class. Losing Brock and Lipscomb for academics and Smith due to family issues has made for a rough offseason. The talent level is getting better, but if we want to improve on last years record we can't lose anyone else.
oak_street1981
07-13-2009, 10:08 PM
I am disappointed that Lipscomb has to go the JUCO route, and I hope the staff is in on a big time back for the 2010 class. The kid from Florida seems like a great back up, but he's yet another back on the roster that lacks breakaway speed. At one point we had Stephens and Lipscomb both in the 2009 class and now we have neither. Losing Hayo would be a far bigger blow as I expect him to have a huge impact opposite Decker this year. We can't afford to lose two playmakers with speed out of this recruiting class. Losing Brock and Lipscomb for academics and Smith due to family issues has made for a rough offseason. The talent level is getting better, but if we want to improve on last years record we can't lose anyone else.
talented Barber/Maroney type RBs. His recruiting has been great, but very weak in this one area.
Now that Dunbar is gone, the task may become easier.
I am holding out hope for Eskridge and to a lesser extent Bennet. I'd be real happy if the 2006 version of Jay Thomas was able to re-appear. I really liked what I saw of JT, and the ACL injury really was unfortunate.
GopherKISS
07-13-2009, 10:38 PM
Told you a million times, the Gopher coach will never be the issue. The real fraud is youth football in MN.
It just isn't important enough culture and it never will be and that's what sets up all these problems where only scenario is recruiting athletes who can't cut the grade. Almost every other state, including Wis is ahead if Minnesota and that will never change.
Doesn't matter how angry you get at me as the past records tell the story
I really hated to hear this news, I was hoping he'd provide a bit of size to the backfield. Still, I have confidence that somebody from the Bennett, Whaley, Eskridge and Salamon group will step up. John Hoese also seems poised to contribute from the FB spot.
talented Barber/Maroney type RBs. His recruiting has been great, but very weak in this one area.
Now that Dunbar is gone, the task may become easier.
I am holding out hope for Eskridge and to a lesser extent Bennet. I'd be real happy if the 2006 version of Jay Thomas was able to re-appear. I really liked what I saw of JT, and the ACL injury really was unfortunate.
I think a healthy Jay Thomas or Whaley have the best potential to have the "home run threat" that our running back corp lacked last year. This was something I really looked forward to out of Stephens and Lipscomb when they initially pledged last summer and some of their film became available and is still a major need going forward that is largely unaddressed in recruiting.
I think Whaley may have the elusiveness, if not raw speed, but lacks the mass for yards after contact, so his potential lies in the ability of the line to open holes and allow him to operate in space and create oppurtunities.
I hope that Brewster doesn't feel the angst rising from our ranks regarding the imbalance of pledges on the offensive side of the ball and continues to pursue marquee running backs (which of course I am sure he will). Fingers crossed for the likes of Florida State hurdles champion Ethan Grant, a kid that has speed to burn.
Gopher4life15
07-14-2009, 07:13 AM
Don't studies and academics go together?
Sorry, I meant athletics.
myleslong
07-14-2009, 07:58 AM
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p.s. also, please get off you high-horse about brewster and his recruiting. he is doing a fine job of it given the circumstances in which he must work.
Please identify "the circumstances" to which you refer?
dpodoll68
07-14-2009, 08:49 AM
Brewster needs to start closing the deal on some talented Barber/Maroney type RBs.
Is that all there is to it? Easy! I mean, first-day NFL draft picks just fall out of the sky, right?:rolleyes:
I think a healthy Jay Thomas or Whaley have the best potential to have the "home run threat" that our running back corp lacked last year.
Stick a fork in Jay Thomas' ability to produce anything from the line of scrimmage. If you expect nothing more from him than his special teams contributions, you won't be disappointed.
Studwell55
07-14-2009, 02:21 PM
Bummer.
But how about we recruit fewer dumba$$es?
cheeseheadgophfan
07-15-2009, 01:48 PM
Brewster commented that Lipscomb won't be part of the Gopher program.....does that mean that it's unexpected he'll return here after junior college? I don't remember Brewster saying Marquise Gray wouldn't be a part of the program...in the future?
GoAUpher
07-15-2009, 01:58 PM
Brewster commented that Lipscomb won't be part of the Gopher program.....does that mean that it's unexpected he'll return here after junior college? I don't remember Brewster saying Marquise Gray wouldn't be a part of the program...in the future?
Marquise's situation was a little different in that he had been admitted to the U before the NCAA pulled the rug out from under him. He hadn't transferred anywhere and was guaranteed to be a Gopher assuming his test scores came through.
Lipscomb can reopen his recruitment as a JC prospect. That doesn't mean he won't come back here or we won't recruit him. It just means that we'll have to fight to earn his commitment again (probably).
I think Brew was referring to the fact that he won't/can't join the Gophers at any point this year, not that they were abandoning their pursuit of Lipscomb.
ConferenceChamp
07-17-2009, 09:02 AM
Brewster commented that Lipscomb won't be part of the Gopher program.....does that mean that it's unexpected he'll return here after junior college? I don't remember Brewster saying Marquise Gray wouldn't be a part of the program...in the future?
When an academic non-qualifier goes the JUCO route straight out of high school (a la OL Roszell Gayden as part of the recruiting class of 2008), he must graduate from the JUCO before he can go on to any D1 school.
That is why Gayden is not eligible to attend a D1 school this fall. But if Gayden graduates either this December, or next May, then he will be eligible to attend the D1 program of his choice in 2010, assuming the interest is mutual. And he will then have three years to use his two seasons of eligibility.
For Lipscomb, the situation is similar. He will NOT be eligible to attend a D1 program until 2011. And that is assuming he graduates from the Texas JUCO in two years.
Personally, I'm pulling for the kid...it couldn't have been easy being uprooted by Hurricane Katrina and all.
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