Cheating Per Gary Williams

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He sure is a stubborn antagonistic old guy but I cant help but smile when I read some of those comments. I agree with him in that I like the old style of recruiting better too, its just a lot of politics nowadays.

Im definently rooting for him, better Maryland than duke or nc(talking ACC standings)
 


Cmich Gopher said:
He sure is a stubborn antagonistic old guy but I cant help but smile when I read some of those comments. I agree with him in that I like the old style of recruiting better too, its just a lot of politics nowadays.

Im definently rooting for him, better Maryland than duke or nc(talking ACC standings)
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Even when you look at him compared to Pitino, Donovan, Calipari, etc. you see this grumpy old guy with wrinkled clothes and he does not seem to fit in. Yet he won a national title and plays in the toughest conference in the nation at the school he played for. He comes across to me as a real basketball coach, and not a program administrator like many of the others today.
 

TWeber said:
Even when you look at him compared to Pitino, Donovan, Calipari, etc. you see this grumpy old guy with wrinkled clothes and he does not seem to fit in. Yet he won a national title and plays in the toughest conference in the nation at the school he played for. He comes across to me as a real basketball coach, and not a program administrator like many of the others today.
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Williams is a good coach. Maybe past his prime a bit.
 


Gary Williams is literally sitting on a recruiting gold mine. Since 2002 these are some of the players to come from Maryland's "turf" stretching roughly from Maryland into Northern Virginia:

Carmello Anthony
Rudy Gay
Ty Lawson
Kevin Durant
Micheal Beasley
Nolan Smith
Jack McClintock
Sam Young
Austin Freeman
Chris Wright
Jeff Green
Roy Hibbert

Those are the ones just off the top of my head. There are more and they keep coming as it is (especially Prince George County) quite possibly the hottest source of elite level high school basketball talent. How many of these kids did Gary Williams land? Zero. You can brush it off as "cheating" or you can assign a much simpler solution: These kids, generally speaking, just don't want to play for Williams and he doesn't put the work in. Some Maryland high school coaches would agree with that assessment from what I understand.
 

I will always root against Huggins, Calipari and all the other slime balls out there. Good for Gary Williams, it sounds like he could make a little more of an effort to at least be friendly with these coaches, but on the other hand the way these coaches use these players for personal gain is sickening.
 

What Up Guy said:
I will always root against Huggins, Calipari and all the other slime balls out there. Good for Gary Williams, it sounds like he could make a little more of an effort to at least be friendly with these coaches, but on the other hand the way these coaches use these players for personal gain is sickening.
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Huggs has had off-the-court issues but he does NOT cheat at recruiting.
 

The Truth said:
Gary Williams is literally sitting on a recruiting gold mine. Since 2002 these are some of the players to come from Maryland's "turf" stretching roughly from Maryland into Northern Virginia:

Carmello Anthony
Rudy Gay
Ty Lawson
Kevin Durant
Micheal Beasley
Nolan Smith
Jack McClintock
Sam Young
Austin Freeman
Chris Wright
Jeff Green
Roy Hibbert

Those are the ones just off the top of my head. There are more and they keep coming as it is (especially Prince George County) quite possibly the hottest source of elite level high school basketball talent. How many of these kids did Gary Williams land? Zero. You can brush it off as "cheating" or you can assign a much simpler solution: These kids, generally speaking, just don't want to play for Williams and he doesn't put the work in. Some Maryland high school coaches would agree with that assessment from what I understand.
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Williams has 1 NC and 2 FF this decade without them.
 



The text emphasizes how Gary Williams doesn't get top DC players because he doesn't "cheat" (whatever that means in recruiting), but the video emphasizes his lack of effort to even contact potential recruits.

I guess you can't cheat if you don't want to recruit in the first place!
 

I hope old Gary can keep his job for at least a couple more years. I've always felt that Maryland is the one job Tubby would bolt MN for, and I still think that. It has everything Virginia tempted him with, plus talent that is much closer and easier to get into school. And it really is 'home' for him instead of just 'near home'.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
Huggs has had off-the-court issues but he does NOT cheat at recruiting.
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jmag21 said:
If you're interested, FOT, I could give you a GREAT price on a one of a kind property investment. It's a bridge, in Brooklyn, and it could be yours tomorrow for the low, low price of 39.95, plus tax.
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Bullshit. 100% unadulterated BS. Huggins doesn't cheat. He does have an off-the-court history of problems but he doesn't cheat. Period.
 



Friend Of Tubby said:
Huggs has had off-the-court issues but he does NOT cheat at recruiting.
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I have no idea what he does with recruiting. I do know that his commitment to academics (yes, you do sense sarcasm) is second to none. My wife was a UC professor while Huggins was there. He came to her office one day to pressure her to pass a bball player who hadn't shown up for most of the classes that semester and who hadn't completed a majority of the assigned work. She said no dice, but that she'd be willing to work with the player on how he could get caught up, even offering to work with the player one on one. Huggins didn't take this well, stormed out, and went to her dept head to try to get her overruled (the DH backed my wife on why she was failing the player). This is the rep Huggy Bear has around UC if you talk to anyone who ever taught his players.
 

GoAUpher said:
I have no idea what he does with recruiting. I do know that his commitment to academics (yes, you do sense sarcasm) is second to none. My wife was a UC professor while Huggins was there. He came to her office one day to pressure her to pass a bball player who hadn't shown up for most of the classes that semester and who hadn't completed a majority of the assigned work. She said no dice, but that she'd be willing to work with the player on how he could get caught up, even offering to work with the player one on one. Huggins didn't take this well, stormed out, and went to her dept head to try to get her overruled (the DH backed my wife on why she was failing the player). This is the rep Huggy Bear has around UC if you talk to anyone who ever taught his players.
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Head coaches never go to the professors directly bud. Try another one.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
Bullshit. 100% unadulterated BS. Huggins doesn't cheat. He does have an off-the-court history of problems but he doesn't cheat. Period.
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I don't know if he cheats or doesn't, and really, no one except Huggins really does. What I do know is that I don't like what he does with the players academically once he gets them to school, and what he does to lure the kids to school (hiring coaches that bring players with them).

Neither of those things are cheating in the recruiting sense I suppose, but they are still unsavory. I know that other coaches do things like bringing assistants on board to get a player, but I don't think many others have made such a sham of academics like Huggins did while at Cincinnati.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
Bullshit. 100% unadulterated BS. Huggins doesn't cheat. He does have an off-the-court history of problems but he doesn't cheat. Period.
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FOT, you are very level-headed on most matters, but come on. Much as 'The Truth' does with Calipari, if you view it through tinted enough glasses, you can say he doesn't cheat. But anyone with any sense and no biases knows that Huggins and Calipari are two of the biggest sleazeballs out there.

Has he ever paid players or helped them cheat on ACT's? Who knows, maybe not. Is he a sleazeball who will do absolutely everything in every gray area and a lot of black area to win? Hell yes.
 

The-Real-Truth said:
Head coaches never go to the professors directly bud. Try another one.
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Ah yes, except that Huggins did. You're tossing out a generalization that, frankly, isn't possible. Are you really trying to assert that no coach, ever, has gone to a professor? If so I've got lots of investment pyramids to sell you. Since I'm getting this firsthand from my wife I know its not BS. You can believe me or not, it's your prerogative. No skin off my back either way sport...I was just contributing the experience my wife had while at UC.
 



howeda7 said:
FOT, you are very level-headed on most matters, but come on. Much as 'The Truth' does with Calipari, if you view it through tinted enough glasses, you can say he doesn't cheat. But anyone with any sense and no biases knows that Huggins and Calipari are two of the biggest sleazeballs out there.

Has he ever paid players or helped them cheat on ACT's? Who knows, maybe not. Is he a sleazeball who will do absolutely everything in every gray area and a lot of black area to win? Hell yes.
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He doesn't cheat on recruiting. No doubt whatsoever. He declined the opportunity to pay $35K to Alexander Johnson of Albany GA to attend UC in 2003 and 2004. AJ chose an SEC school in 2003 and ACC school in 2004.

As I clearly stated, Huggs has well documented "other" issues.
 

GoAUpher said:
I have no idea what he does with recruiting. I do know that his commitment to academics (yes, you do sense sarcasm) is second to none. My wife was a UC professor while Huggins was there. He came to her office one day to pressure her to pass a bball player who hadn't shown up for most of the classes that semester and who hadn't completed a majority of the assigned work. She said no dice, but that she'd be willing to work with the player on how he could get caught up, even offering to work with the player one on one. Huggins didn't take this well, stormed out, and went to her dept head to try to get her overruled (the DH backed my wife on why she was failing the player). This is the rep Huggy Bear has around UC if you talk to anyone who ever taught his players.
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Huggs graduated 91% of his players prior to UC (about 40% there) and close to 100% of his seniors in 3 years at K-St and WVU since UC.
 

TWeber said:
I don't know if he cheats or doesn't, and really, no one except Huggins really does. What I do know is that I don't like what he does with the players academically once he gets them to school, and what he does to lure the kids to school (hiring coaches that bring players with them).

Neither of those things are cheating in the recruiting sense I suppose, but they are still unsavory. I know that other coaches do things like bringing assistants on board to get a player, but I don't think many others have made such a sham of academics like Huggins did while at Cincinnati.
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Huggs pushes his players to graduate once he gets them to school. He pushes them 10 years after they leave school (if they hadn't graduated).

Ever been in his office? I have - he has a picture of every player he ever coached that graduated. A whole wall full of pictures. I'd guess 60 or 70 photos.
 

Back to the topic of this thread i.e. Gary Williams


I think Williams is a solid coach but when you see a mass exodus from his wheelhouse in terms of talent and whine about cheating it looks bad. You can throw a rock from College Park and hit Prince George County and to lose a player like Kevin Durant to Texas tells me something is wrong.

Yeah he went to the Final Four and won a championship in the early part of the 2000's with Juan Dixon (who was lightly regarded) and Steve Blake (who was more heavily recruited coming out of Oak Hill) in the backcourt but since 2002 Maryland has fallen back to where they were before Dixon: average. Gary Williams loves to have excuses: Why he ignored Deron Williams because it was "easier" to recruit John Gilchrist, why he didn't pay that much attnetion to native Josh Boone or how everybody is cheating BUT Gary Williams and that's why he loses out on all these players.

The truth is much simpler: Williams just isn't that great of a recruiter and his inability to put together a consistent staff since 2002 to do it for him; who can work together and recruit the top talent in his own backyard has contributed to the downfall of the Maryland program from its high of the national championship. Maryland should be fielding Final Four/National Championship contending teams every couple of seasons just by recruiting Maryland and Northern Virginia! That they aren't is on Williams shoulders and his complaints come off as sour grapes of a man who doesn't want to work at recruiting.
 

The Truth said:
Back to the topic of this thread i.e. Gary Williams


I think Williams is a solid coach but when you see a mass exodus from his wheelhouse in terms of talent and whine about cheating it looks bad. You can throw a rock from College Park and hit Prince George County and to lose a player like Kevin Durant to Texas tells me something is wrong.

Yeah he went to the Final Four and won a championship in the early part of the 2000's with Juan Dixon (who was lightly regarded) and Steve Blake (who was more heavily recruited coming out of Oak Hill) in the backcourt but since 2002 Maryland has fallen back to where they were before Dixon: average. Gary Williams loves to have excuses: Why he ignored Deron Williams because it was "easier" to recruit John Gilchrist, why he didn't pay that much attnetion to native Josh Boone or how everybody is cheating BUT Gary Williams and that's why he loses out on all these players.

The truth is much simpler: Williams just isn't that great of a recruiter and his inability to put together a consistent staff since 2002 to do it for him; who can work together and recruit the top talent in his own backyard has contributed to the downfall of the Maryland program from its high of the national championship. Maryland should be fielding Final Four/National Championship contending teams every couple of seasons just by recruiting Maryland and Northern Virginia! That they aren't is on Williams shoulders and his complaints come off as sour grapes of a man who doesn't want to work at recruiting.
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Maryland never made FF or won NC even when Lefty Driesell recruited BOTB to play there in 1970's and 80's.

Williams achieved 2 FF and 1 NC in 2000's despite perceptions of some that he doesn't recruit the "right" players.
 

And since 2002 he's missed the NCAA tournament 4 times. 4 out of 7 seasons since his national championship he's been relegated to the NIT. That's a direct result of both massive recruiting failure in terms of approaching, effort, offers and scouting and poor player development.

None of this would be an issue if Maryland had to recruit nationally because the in-state talent pool was poor. You could argue that Maryland was a hard school to recruit to if it weren't in the ACC and the beneficiary of tens of millions of dollars in basketball support and what Gary Williams did was amazing...but none of that is true. Maryland is knee deep in basketball talent and most of it exists within a thirty minute drive of College Park. Even his recuriting successes over that time frame have been hit or miss. John Gilchrist was talented but openly fueded with Williams over team direction and never developed into an NBA prospect. Travis Garrison was a high school All American who was nothing more than a role player.
 

The Truth said:
And since 2002 he's missed the NCAA tournament 4 times. 4 out of 7 seasons since his national championship he's been relegated to the NIT. That's a direct result of both massive recruiting failure in terms of approaching, effort, offers and scouting and poor player development.

None of this would be an issue if Maryland had to recruit nationally because the in-state talent pool was poor. You could argue that Maryland was a hard school to recruit to if it weren't in the ACC and the beneficiary of tens of millions of dollars in basketball support and what Gary Williams did was amazing...but none of that is true. Maryland is knee deep in basketball talent and most of it exists within a thirty minute drive of College Park. Even his recuriting successes over that time frame have been hit or miss. John Gilchrist was talented but openly fueded with Williams over team direction and never developed into an NBA prospect. Travis Garrison was a high school All American who was nothing more than a role player.
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And Billy Donovan is headed for 3 straight Missed NCAA's this year after back-2-back NCAA titles.

Gary Williams is the most accomplished basketball coach ever at University of Maryland. By far.
 


Career Record

Head Coach
Name Gary Williams
Alma Mater Maryland, 1968
Date Of Birth 03/04/1945

Career Breakdown School Years Record W/L Pct
American 4 72-42 .632
Boston College 4 76-45 .628
Maryland 20 418-229 .646
Ohio St. 3 59-41 .590
Career 31 625-357 .636

Year School W- L W/L Pct
1978-79 American 14-13 .519
1979-80 American 13-14 .481
1980-81 American 24-6 .800
1981-82 American 21-9 .700
1982-83 Boston College 25-7 .781
1983-84 Boston College 18-12 .600
1984-85 Boston College 20-11 .645
1985-86 Boston College 13-15 .464
1986-87 Ohio St. 20-13 .606
1987-88 Ohio St. 20-13 .606
1988-89 Ohio St. 19-15 .559
1989-90 Maryland 19-14 .576
1990-91 Maryland 16-12 .571
1991-92 Maryland 14-15 .483
1992-93 Maryland 12-16 .429
1993-94 Maryland 18-12 .600
1994-95 Maryland 26-8 .765
1995-96 Maryland 17-13 .567
1996-97 Maryland 21-11 .656
1997-98 Maryland 21-11 .656
1998-99 Maryland 28-6 .824
1999-00 Maryland 25-10 .714
2000-01 Maryland 25-11 .694
2001-02 Maryland 32-4 .889 NCAA champ
2002-03 Maryland 21-10 .677
2003-04 Maryland 20-12 .625
2004-05 Maryland 19-13 .594
2005-06 Maryland 19-13 .594
2006-07 Maryland 25-9 .735
2007-08 Maryland 19-15 .559
2008-09 Maryland 21-14 .600
 

It seems Williams is justifying losing some of the local recruits and it seems he is justified. Beasley's AAU coach was hired at Kansas State, Maryland would not hire him. Conneticut ran a fundraiser for Gay's AAU organization. These are things that stretch the rules but can impact the recruting process. To bad more coaches are not like that.
 

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