"Chilling" quote from Pelosi

[bga1]

Regarding global warming she says: "We have so much room for improvement," she said. "Every aspect of our lives must be subjected to an inventory ... of how we are taking responsibility."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hLcZ2jQ4mu4rd7XlB3hetiVn1qbAD98F32AG0

And liberals on this board were concerned about GW Bush taking away your freedoms with the Patriot Act? Pelosi is not talking about controlling the lives of would be terrorists she's talkling about controlling your life.

[From the Barn]

Context is still fun

"In answering a question from a student about how Pelosi was going to get Americans to cut back on their carbon emissions, the leading Democratic lawmaker said it was important to educate children on how to conserve energy and for citizens to build more environmentally friendly homes."

[Go4]

Context is still fun

"In answering a question from a student about how Pelosi was going to get Americans to cut back on their carbon emissions, the leading Democratic lawmaker said it was important to educate children on how to conserve energy and for citizens to build more environmentally friendly homes."

Anyone who has spent any amount of time on the OT board knows that beej is well known for cherry picking context. He'll slice and dice a quote if it helps him feel better about the failures of the last 8 years and will passive aggressively give back-handed complements to O to instill fear about the next 8. Like Al Gore, beej is a one trick pony. Bash and bash with no objectivity or consistentcy across the isle.

[Gopher4Life]

While defending the indefensible (Pelosi), please remember that she is the current queen of the carbon-spewing jet set crowd. She's an irresponsible two-faced embarrassment to her party, the House, and America.

[Jike Spingleton]

Anyone who has spent any amount of time on the OT board knows that beej is well known for cherry picking context. He'll slice and dice a quote if it helps him feel better about the failures of the last 8 years and will passive aggressively give back-handed complements to O to instill fear about the next 8. Like Al Gore, beej is a one trick pony. Bash and bash with no objectivity or consistentcy across the isle.


Pretty harsh. After all, he's just "expressing concern."

[bga1]

Anyone who has spent any amount of time on the OT board knows that beej is well known for cherry picking context. He'll slice and dice a quote if it helps him feel better about the failures of the last 8 years and will passive aggressively give back-handed complements to O to instill fear about the next 8. Like Al Gore, beej is a one trick pony. Bash and bash with no objectivity or consistentcy across the isle.

Yup - that's why I included the link- so you would have no chance of seeing context.

But if you like Pelosi- Go4 it.

[bga1]

Context is still fun

"In answering a question from a student about how Pelosi was going to get Americans to cut back on their carbon emissions, the leading Democratic lawmaker said it was important to educate children on how to conserve energy and for citizens to build more environmentally friendly homes."


FTB- think. Think deeply. If you don't think she is serious about controlling how you live then consider the global warming initiatives that are at hand from her, Obama and the Dems:

Mandating cars to be at 39mpg by 2016 means people will have to drive cars they don't want for more money than the cars they do want cost now.

If cap and trade goes through you will be paying a huge hidden tax on your energy and on a great many products in the very near future.

The failure to drill for accessable oil becasue of global warming fears will drive up your gas costs and cause us to continue to fund terror sponsoring nations for years to come.

The federal government is spending billions upon billions of your dollars, my dollars and our children's dollars on battling the phantom global warming crisis.

These folks are now involved and want to be more heavily involved in how you live your life. Maybe you like it. I don't.

[From the Barn]

I want cars to have better MPG, and will enjoy the savings on what with then be even more expensive fuel, which coincidentally enough, will lessen the need for more offshore drilling and higher taxes on energy.

[diehard]

I don't understand anyone having any respect for Pelosi after her CIA comments. Playing politics with national security is way over the line, no matter who it is.

[From the Barn]

IPlaying politics with national security is way over the line, no matter who it is.

You must be appalled by the republicans over the last 10 years.

[Moonlight]

I'm not a fan of Pelosi, but I don't see how taking an inventory of your fossil fuel consumption in every arena is a scary thing.
The reality is we are all here together and rugged individuality has a very destructive side. I saw a Hummer last week with the vanity plate "1MPG" Isn't that great? Do we need the freedom to contribute to the destruction of the planet? Is it an impingement on his/her rights to slap a "freedom" tax on that vehicle? After all remember - freedom isn't free.
If people can die for freedom, maybe they can change for it too.

[jamiche]

I'm not a fan of Pelosi, but I don't see how taking an inventory of your fossil fuel consumption in every arena is a scary thing.
The reality is we are all here together and rugged individuality has a very destructive side. I saw a Hummer last week with the vanity plate "1MPG" Isn't that great? Do we need the freedom to contribute to the destruction of the planet? Is it an impingement on his/her rights to slap a "freedom" tax on that vehicle? After all remember - freedom isn't free.
If people can die for freedom, maybe they can change for it too.

Nobody is trying to take your Hummer away from you. If you want to drive one you should pay extra for it. If you want a bad ass carbon foot print, go for it--but then pay for it. Whether there is global warming or not ( and every reputable scientist has demonstarble research showing that warming is taking place) doesn't it make sense to conserve the resources that the natural world provides? Or is that socialism?

[Winnipegopher]

I am not so sure global warming is accepted by "every reputable scientist".

In some ways I think the Gore Global warming cabal have set environmentalism back dramatically. Because Gore et al speak in absolutes, it causes opponents/ those affected to react strongly. The fact is we (all citizens of this earth) don't fully understand what is going on with the climate. Another fact is we are polluting the climate more each day.

No one can really say what this will do but I think it is perfectly reasonable for people and governments to take an inventory on how to reduce waste/ emissions etc.

I also see nothing wrong with heavily taxing polluters and putting use fees on things such as garbage bags to reduce waste. In the end it comes down to personal, governmental and corporate responsibility.

[Gopher4Life]

jamiche,

>>Whether there is global warming or not ( and every reputable scientist has demonstarble research showing that warming is taking place)<<

That's far from the truth. The demonstrable research shows that weather fluctuations and trends have occurred frequently throughout time and continue to occur. It also indicates that no "warming" has occurred over the most recent ten years.

>> doesn't it make sense to conserve the resources that the natural world provides?<<

Absolutely. And both Gore and Pelosi should begin practicing what they preach.

[jamiche]

jamiche,

>>Whether there is global warming or not ( and every reputable scientist has demonstarble research showing that warming is taking place)<<

That's far from the truth. The demonstrable research shows that weather fluctuations and trends have occurred frequently throughout time and continue to occur. It also indicates that no "warming" has occurred over the most recent ten years.

>> doesn't it make sense to conserve the resources that the natural world provides?<<

Absolutely. And both Gore and Pelosi should begin practicing what they preach.

If it makes you feel better to demonize Gore and Pelosi, go ahead. The point is that resources are finite and demands are growing. We need to drive more energy efficient cars, live in more energy efficient houses and work in more energy efficient buildings so that life will not be miserable for our kids and grand kids.

[Gopher4Life]

I agree 100%. We probably differ in that I'd prefer to give incentives to the private sector to solve these issues while the libs castrate the private sector and claim them as functions of big government.

I'm sick of the lying demagogues in both parties, and Gore and Pelosi are prime examples.

[diehard]

You must be appalled by the republicans over the last 10 years.

Your comment is useful only for attempting a partisan smear verses contributing to useful discussion. "no matter who it is" stands on it's own to make that point. If you are willing to be intellectually honest, you will admit that each party has been just as guilty as the other for the last 20 years. When people place their chosen party and ideology ahead of what is good for the country, they make snide comments like yours. No usefullness can be found in that. Right now our country badly needs honest thinkers to get us out of this mess while the whole party/power first mentality keeps pushing us down further and harder by the hour. Wake up!

[diehard]

Nobody is trying to take your Hummer away from you. If you want to drive one you should pay extra for it. If you want a bad ass carbon foot print, go for it--but then pay for it. Whether there is global warming or not ( and every reputable scientist has demonstarble research showing that warming is taking place) doesn't it make sense to conserve the resources that the natural world provides? Or is that socialism?

OK jammer, explain the concept of Cap and Trade and and describe how it works. BTW, I do know, so you won't get away with any disinformation. We'll have an intellectual discussion of 'gorebal warning' this weekend too. Straight up research and facts. No emotion.

[jamiche]

OK jammer, explain the concept of Cap and Trade and and describe how it works. BTW, I do know, so you won't get away with any disinformation. We'll have an intellectual discussion of 'gorebal warning' this weekend too. Straight up research and facts. No emotion.

I'm glad that you are an expert on Cap and Trade and that you are ready for a good old fashioned intellectual throw down this weekend. I'm going to cancel my plans, cram like crazy and hope for the best.

I'm not an expert on Cap and Trade though the concept isn't terribly complicated. It's a kind of a barter system with the government functioning as the transfer agent. If a company emits more pollution it has to pay for it through the purchase of credits from cleaner companies. The overall goal is to provide companies with economic incentives to operate in a clean fashion while allowing companies with the option of operating dirty, as long as they pay for it.

Damn!! I took the bait. Our C&T expert (he knows how the system works) is going to make me a cream puff on his way to a B10 championship.

[diehard]

No, jammer, that's not what I was after. Don't want a contest with you over C&T. I just wanted to know how deep your knowledge on C&T is because that will be a starting point for discussing what it is. I figure you are pretty bright and most would know a little less than you. That's all. IMO this a a real important issue to understand before taking a stand for or against based on what party officials have made for sound bytes. We are all smarter than that.

[bga1]

I am not so sure global warming is accepted by "every reputable scientist".

In some ways I think the Gore Global warming cabal have set environmentalism back dramatically. Because Gore et al speak in absolutes, it causes opponents/ those affected to react strongly. The fact is we (all citizens of this earth) don't fully understand what is going on with the climate. Another fact is we are polluting the climate more each day.

No one can really say what this will do but I think it is perfectly reasonable for people and governments to take an inventory on how to reduce waste/ emissions etc.

I also see nothing wrong with heavily taxing polluters and putting use fees on things such as garbage bags to reduce waste. In the end it comes down to personal, governmental and corporate responsibility.


Actually pollutants in most U.S. major cities have gone way down and the period they fell the most during? You guessed it: The GW Bush years. Check it out.

But I agree with you totally about global warming and Gore. The way he is pushing it is going to hurt it. Righ now we are cooling and he is busy attempting ot obscure the facts. The cure he proposes would kill far more people of starvation than global warming ever will. There is a large and growing group of credible scientists who are now showing a lot of doubt over the global warming craze and that takes some guts to do.

Does anyone realize that Gore who was no financial giant, has become a billionaire as a result of this deal? Or that he has made investments that stand to bring him a huge windfall if global warming measures are pursued?

[SoMplsHawkI]

The demonstrable research shows that weather fluctuations and trends have occurred frequently throughout time and continue to occur.

You are right. There have been many periods in the earth's history where the climate has been warmer than today. The last interglacial period (125,000 years ago) and the Pliocene (3 million years ago) are two examples. The problem is that they were natural (solar forcing, Earth's orbital wobbles, continental configurations) fluctuations that took place over thousands of years. None of those conditions apply today. And the temperature is rising faster than humans (or nature for that matter) are able to adjust.


It also indicates that no "warming" has occurred over the most recent ten years.

What is your source? According to the IPCC the linear trends are still rising.

[Gopher4Life]

I'm not a scientist, but it's being widely reported lately that climate changes have occurred, not global warming. Also, that man's involvement in those changes has been greatly overstated.

[SoMplsHawkI]

I'm not a scientist, but it's being widely reported lately that climate changes have occurred, not global warming. Also, that man's involvement in those changes has been greatly overstated.

I'm not a scientist either. Widely reported by whom and who are the sources? Glenn Beck? Is HE a scientist? So there ARE changes? What changes? Hot? Cold? Light? Dark? Up? Down?
If you want to deny global warming, fine. At least argue with some facts and not 'deep thought'
or the opinion of the dumbest guy on FOX.

[jamiche]

I'm not a scientist, but it's being widely reported lately that climate changes have occurred, not global warming. Also, that man's involvement in those changes has been greatly overstated.

I always thought you were a scientist!!

[Gopher4Life]

SoMpls,

Speaking of FOX, if I'm after balance and accuracy, I'd probably go with FOX over NPR/NBC/MSNBC and the other left wing bedfellows.

http://www.globalwarminghype.com/

[SoMplsHawkI]

SoMpls,

Speaking of FOX, if I'm after balance and accuracy, I'd probably go with FOX over NPR/NBC/MSNBC and the other left wing bedfellows.

http://www.globalwarminghype.com/

I don't have much use for NPR but I do see a lot of FOX, CNN, MSNBC etc.
As such I do want to modify my opinion of Glenn Beck...he's the dumbest guy on TELEVISION.

And thanks for the link but I prefer to keep science and spirituality separate.

[Gopher4Life]

There are dozens of other links, as you well know, which are full of scientific refutation of the global warming scare.

[diehard]

The dispute isn't climate change (not global warming), but cause and the cause and effect relationships of climate change. Hyperbole on both sides, but totally nutso on one. Someone needs to figure out that adaptation is more important than mindless hysterics for the immediate future. There are common sense solutions on the way, some are adaptation, some are scientific advancement and technology. The sky isn't falling, unless we make it fall by releasing the forces of unintended consequences of knee jerk reactions. Meanwhile, plant some trees. CO2 is a nutrient.