From the Mounds View Cabal©

[MNSnowman]

Contributions from Mounds View HS to Gopher athletics this year (and years to come):


Justin Bostrom (Men's Hockey)
Kevin Bradley (Men's Track & Field)
Travis Busch (Men's Basketball)
Sarah Carlin (Dance Team)
Sean Duling (Men's Track & Field)
Rebecca Emmons (Rowing)
Sammie Howard (Softball)
Seth Rosin (Baseball)
Mike Shelendich (Men's Track & Field)
Mallory Van Ness (Women's Cross-Country and Women's Track & Field)
Adam Weber (Football)

[Stan]

The contribution that Rebecca Emmons has made to the rowing team this year has been legendary. She has to make the Mounds View Cabal proud.

[Gopher4Life]

Is rowing a fully-funded varsity sport?

[NateDawgUM]

Is rowing a fully-funded varsity sport?

Yes. And amongst the most physically taxing.

Golf is a fully-funded varsity sport and we all know how much you love that!

[Gopher4Life]

What's the latest count of fully-funded varsity sports at the U? Have bowling and billiards cracked the list yet? Darts and shuffleboard?

[NateDawgUM]

Bowling has been a great women's varsity sport for many schools, it's quite cheap.

[Gopher4Life]

LOL

What ever happened to club sports and intramurals? Must every leisure activity now be a varsity sport? No wonder the budget's busted.

[NateDawgUM]

Title IX

Rowing isn't a leisure activity though, and that's where this discussion started.

Easily one of the most physically exhausting sports out there that requires its participants to be in fantastic shape.

[Gopher4Life]

I don't think one can blame expansion of athletic budgets and menus of varsity sports on Ttitle iX. It merely required equality among the genders.

How many other Big Ten schools row? Where do we travel for competition? Are we talking about a budget of several hunded thousand dollars including scholarships, coaching, travel, meals, accommodations, insurance, equipment, etc? I don't mean to pick on rowing. I'm just questioning the expansion of varsity sports when revenue is so limited.

[NateDawgUM]

Minnesota
Michigan
Ohio State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Iowa
Indiana

Don't worry G4L, there are plenty of Big Ten sports that we don't field, such as women's field hockey, women's lacrosse and men's soccer.

[Gopher4Life]

But how will Tubby get his new practice facilty? :(

[ChemEGopher]

Mustangs vs. Monticello tonight! Season opener. Nine seniors on Coach Kauls' squad this year. Should be quite the battle for PT.

[Jim V2]

I don't think one can blame expansion of athletic budgets and menus of varsity sports on Ttitle iX. It merely required equality among the genders.

How many other Big Ten schools row? Where do we travel for competition? Are we talking about a budget of several hunded thousand dollars including scholarships, coaching, travel, meals, accommodations, insurance, equipment, etc? I don't mean to pick on rowing. I'm just questioning the expansion of varsity sports when revenue is so limited.


If you want to argue that point--and I probably agree with you--then the only real place to start is by reducing football scholarships. There aren't many men's sports that I would consider club sports, and the women have to equal the men. I don't know this, but I'd guess that FB has over half the total men's scholarships. Of course the other argument is that Title 9 is being misinterpreted--it's shouldn't be about making the scholarships and other cash outflows equal, it should be about making net revenue (outflow minus reciepts) equal.

[hyaluronic]

They need to make 100 person varsity womens' bowling teams.

[Gopher4Life]

Jim,

>>...the only real place to start is by reducing football scholarships...<<

Does Title IX dictate that a school must support the same number of female athletes as male athletes...or the same number of sports with coaches, facilities, budgets, etc? I thought we had learned (the last time this issue was discussed here) that the men's side is not penalized because of the necessary size of a FB squad. It doesn't make sense to me for a school that wants FB to have to also field softball, ladies' basketball, ladies' volleyball, and ladies' soccer just to equal the number of athletes on their FB team's roster. But federal regulations frequently make no sense to me.

hyaluronic,

>>...100 person varsity womens' bowling...<<

I ask this question because I am a fiscal conservative who wants maximum revenue from minimal expense. Would 6-girl topless beach volleyball suffice? No free admission either.

[Jim V2]

[QUOTE=Gopher4Life;5709]Jim,

>>...the only real place to start is by reducing football scholarships...<<

Does Title IX dictate that a school must support the same number of female athletes as male athletes...or the same number of sports with coaches, facilities, budgets, etc? I thought we had learned (the last time this issue was discussed here) that the men's side is not penalized because of the necessary size of a FB squad. It doesn't make sense to me for a school that wants FB to have to also field softball, ladies' basketball, ladies' volleyball, and ladies' soccer just to equal the number of athletes on their FB team's roster. But federal regulations frequently make no sense to me.

QUOTE]

I defer to greater experts than me, but my understanding is that it's not about the number of sports. It might be budgets, but scholarships is a huge part of budgets, so everything I've heard is that they essentially have to equalize scholarships. I wasn't part of the prior discussion (to my recollection, anyway.)

The "point" of the regulations is to ensure equal access to athletics for both men and women--and that would be scholarships. Of course the flaw in that reasoning is that the percentage of women who have any interest is far lower than it is for men,. To me, that's a little bit like mandating a ton of classes in shoe shopping, and then paying guys to attend (because that's the only way most would be interested.)

[Gopher4Life]

>>equal access to athletics for both men and women--and that would be scholarships.<<

I guess I'd argue that "access" means providing the sport...funding it with coaching staff, facilities, equipment, etc. Access doesn't require a performance grant in many cases. Plenty of students walk on in order to access their shot. I'm sure I'm legally wrong, but Title IX isn't necessarily right.