Michele finds "interesting" Swine Flu connection

[Moonlight]

And you'll never guess what that is!!
This was forwarded to me this afternoon:

Dems in power during flu, Bachmann notes
It was only a matter of time before the CDC discovered an outbreak of Michele Bachmann quotes.

Bachmann, speaking on Pajamas TV, noted: "I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out then under another Democrat president Jimmy Carter. And I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence."

The 1976 swine flu scare happened on Gerald Ford's watch.

We checked Wikipedia.

Ford was a Republican.

[Go4]

Here is the video http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/28/michele-bachmann-links-sw_n_192493.html

Just a weird wording, again, I guess.

[jamiche]

And you'll never guess what that is!!
This was forwarded to me this afternoon:

Oh well.

[Schnoodler]

Just add it to the list.

I'm not usually all PC, and I'm sure I'll tell my share of off color swine flu jokes by the time this runs it's course, but is it really a good idea to make fun of an emerging pandemeic if you're a public political figure?

[maroonfive]

of lipstick on a pig!!!!!!!!

Go Gophers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[playhosea!]

This is what makes Bachmann such a treasure. Set aside the fact that she doesn't know what the hell she's talking about factually. What is that larger point she's trying to make? Why exactly would it be an "interesting coincidence" if two disease outbreaks 33 years apart happened to occur when a Democrat was in office, even if it was true? It's just a smear-by-association with no causal link to the outbreak occurring. Throw in a totally incorrect factual premise and a denial that she's "blaming this on President Obama" (which anyone can see is exactly what she wants people to do or she wouldn't even bring it up) and you see just what makes Bachmann special.

She also gave a great address to Congress on Earth Day, insisting that carbon dioxide is "harmless" and a "natural product of nature" which makes up 3% of the earth's atmosphere. If you're keeping score at home, she's off on the concentration by roughly a factor of 100. http://allianceminnesota.org/page/community/post/xavier/Bvh

[jamiche]

Now that she's not in a position to do any harm to the country, it's great entertainment.

[bga1]

You are right. Only the Dems are in a position to harm the country. We will see what happens.

[Moonlight]

But she's a great American and NOT a slick, smooth-talking liar like some people we could mention.

[monk10]

I love how the conservatives have already invested in defending her, and the effort to defend is less and less vigilant and more like oh crap what did I get myself into.

Was she trapped?

[jamiche]

Top shelf, Moonlight!

[jamiche]

You are right. Only the Dems are in a position to harm the country. We will see what happens.

I agree, beej, though I can't imagine they could do any worse than, umm, you know who. While the problems that Obie faces are daunting and he will have many and varied opportunities to screw up, he has the easiest act in American history to follow.

[jamiche]

And you'll never guess what that is!!
This was forwarded to me this afternoon:

I sprained my ankle badly in 1977 when Carter was in the WH. Hmmm?

[bga1]

But she's a great American and NOT a slick, smooth-talking liar like some people we could mention.

I think you are talking to G4L there, but for the record. I view him as slick and smooth talking and also deceptive. I don't think he's a liar at all. I think if you listen very closely the truth is in there. I really think he believes socialism and a huge government will work. Short term we may not notice. The long term effects will be devastating.

[bga1]

I sprained my ankle badly in 1977 when Carter was in the WH. Hmmm?


That's a minor issue. Most of America got a sprained wallet, a case of depression and a sense of weakness during Carter's term. We recovered under Dr. Reagan.

[Gopher4Life]

bga1,

The man's a liar. That probably doesn't distinguish him from the vast majority of politicians, but it doesn't excuse his habitual lies. Along with the media, many Americans bought into Obama, so it will be some time before his lies are widely questioned. Besides, anyone who questions Obama is automatically a racist.

[jamiche]

I think you are talking to G4L there, but for the record. I view him as slick and smooth talking and also deceptive. I don't think he's a liar at all. I think if you listen very closely the truth is in there. I really think he believes socialism and a huge government will work. Short term we may not notice. The long term effects will be devastating.

The distinction between calling someone deceptive and a liar is so subtle it escapes me. It interests me that seem to go over his statements with great specificity, to the point of discerning things that aren't even there. Where were you when we had a president who made up the reasons to take our country to war? We could have used your vigilance then.

[Gopher4Life]

>>Where were you when we had a president who made up the reasons to take our country to war?<<

Can you prove that? If so, he should be presecuted, given the size of the debt created by years of war.

Or did he simply jump to the wrong conclusion based on the best evidence of the day? A conclusion, by the way, that his Cabinet and most of Congress agreed with at the time.

[4starrecruit]

Bachman sometimes resembles a floral arrangement designed for a slapstick comedy set. The Republicans still haven't realized that she is a "potted plant" that is arranged to make the Republicans look even worse than they already do. Of course, there are some Democrats and Libertarians who serve the same function. Basically, politicians haven't displayed any "blooming" common sense for a very long time. We certainly do need the Republicans to continue to take themselves further out of the mix just to bring us back from the edge of the far right ledge of incompetence. Let's face it: after 8 years of Republican domination we are pretty much "bushed" and all tapped out. If the Democrats manage to stay in office and power for the next 8, it will probably be time for a change again. The Libertarians don't ever serve a function any way. IF we are lucky, we will continue to get shifts in the balance of power from decade to decade and we will somehow manage to scrape by. It is going to take a long time to come back from the damage that Chaney and Bush subjected the nation to though. Chaney was really the freightening one. He was just plain spooky.

[Moonlight]

Just a suggestion G4L:
Try expressing your opinions in the form of an opinion:
ie. G4L says, "I think Obama is a liar." or "I believe Obama to be a liar-liar-pants-on-fire." or "I feel he is a smooth-talking snake-in-the-grass."
As someone who frequently expounds on the virtue of higher education, I would think you'd remember in high school when you were taught the difference.
It is an interesting direction our culture has gone: continual statement of perspective as if it were fact. The right has gone far with this and Bachmann is the new crowned Queen.

For the record, I, moonlight, do not believe Obama to be a liar-liar-pants-on-fire.

[Gopher4Life]

Moonie,

It goes without saying that everything posted on a message board is "statement of perspective."

Further, Obama's lies have been documented time and time again. It's not my fault that media and masses still refuse to acknowledge them.

Just as one example, are you saying that Obama was not lying when he alleged that he had attended Wright's church for 20 years and had never heard Wright trash talk America? One more, are you saying he was not lying when he declared he had no relationship with Bill Ayers, and Ayers was merely a man who lived in the neighborhood? Are you saying he was not lying when he stated that anyone who didn't support his recovery act preferred instead to do nothing at all about the problem? You can say those lies don't matter, but please don't say they aren't lies.

[jamiche]

If you don't believe that Obama is a liar-liar-pants-on-fire then you are obviously a muddle headed socialist, Moonie.

[bga1]

The distinction between calling someone deceptive and a liar is so subtle it escapes me. It interests me that seem to go over his statements with great specificity, to the point of discerning things that aren't even there. Where were you when we had a president who made up the reasons to take our country to war? We could have used your vigilance then.

I agree with you about the thin distinction. Obama has the talent that a great salesman tends to have. He has the ability to phrase things up so that everybody hears what they want to hear.
When he says: "I'm for budget and fiscal responsibility" you might think he is in favor of spending less than we take in - or at least no more than what we take in. But what he really means is that he thinks it's responsible to spend twice as much as we take in if it means he can socialize health care and accomplish his goals. I have seen it countless times where he makes statements that are very slightly different in wording, but that could mean a bunch of different things. He did this on the torture debate, he has done it on Israel, on negotiating with rogue nations, on taxation, on exiting Iraq, on Pakistan, on late term abortion, on the Reverend Wright deal, on Rezko, on Bill Ayers and on and on the list goes.

That's his nature- he will always attempt to sound beautiful, saying nothing that will stick to him.
His power with words is so unique that polls resoundingly show that people are in favor of HIM while being just as negative when asked about the policies he favors.

[bga1]

Just a suggestion G4L:
Try expressing your opinions in the form of an opinion:
ie. G4L says, "I think Obama is a liar." or "I believe Obama to be a liar-liar-pants-on-fire." or "I feel he is a smooth-talking snake-in-the-grass."
As someone who frequently expounds on the virtue of higher education, I would think you'd remember in high school when you were taught the difference.
It is an interesting direction our culture has gone: continual statement of perspective as if it were fact. The right has gone far with this and Bachmann is the new crowned Queen.

For the record, I, moonlight, do not believe Obama to be a liar-liar-pants-on-fire.


Was this suggestion in place during the Bush administration?

In my personal opinion- I think it wasn't. But that's only my personal opinion- based on what I think I may have recalled about others, who I thought may have expressed their opinions in a more stark and harsh/absolute way (in my view of what I may have recalled that they may have said).

[monk10]

So back to the topic of this thread. Is Bachmann a liar or is she deceitful. I'm trying to use context clues to better understand your distinction.

[Gopher4Life]

I respect the way she sticks to her guns, but she ain't ready for prime time.

[bga1]

So back to the topic of this thread. Is Bachmann a liar or is she deceitful. I'm trying to use context clues to better understand your distinction.

Neither. She's right on in terms of her stands and a bumbler with respect to words. She has none of the smooth speaking talents of the president. She's too honest, if anything, which kills the PC crowd.

[Gopher4Life]

Jamiche,

There are many reasons for supporting Obama. Being "a muddle-headed socialist" is merely one of them.

[Gopher4Life]

>>She has none of the smooth speaking talents of the president.<<

He's smoother, of course, when reading other people's words on a teleprompter.

[monk10]

What words did she bumble?

[jamiche]

Neither. She's right on in terms of her stands and a bumbler with respect to words. She has none of the smooth speaking talents of the president. She's too honest, if anything, which kills the PC crowd.

The King of Irony knocks another one out of the park! Everytime a politician who you like says something deceitful, knowingly false or blatantly inaccurate it's because they have "bumbled" their words. Obama, who has put in motion everything that he said he was going to do and was elected to do, is a liar-liar-pants-on-fire.

G4, the fellow who brooks no excuses for anything, excuses her statements as "not ready for prime time". Well, she is ready for prime time. We get to see her saying something ridiculous on an almost nightly basis.

One of the ironies of her goofiness is that I have been told by someone who has worked with her on legislation that she is very bright and has an excellent staff. I guess she flips when the red light goes on.

[playhosea!]

Neither. She's right on in terms of her stands and a bumbler with respect to words. She has none of the smooth speaking talents of the president. She's too honest, if anything, which kills the PC crowd.

Bachmann says things that are utterly untrue, which bga1 explains as being "too honest."

Makes perfect sense.

[gogophs]

Neither. She's right on in terms of her stands and a bumbler with respect to words. She has none of the smooth speaking talents of the president. She's too honest, if anything, which kills the PC crowd.

The woman has stated that the president is going to send our children to concentration camps, she believes a one-world currency is near, she wants a McCarthy-like investigation of Congress, she believes that "not all cultures are equal."

So you believe she's "right on in terms of her stands?"

I believe she's crazy.

[bga1]

The woman has stated that the president is going to send our children to concentration camps, she believes a one-world currency is near, she wants a McCarthy-like investigation of Congress, she believes that "not all cultures are equal."

So you believe she's "right on in terms of her stands?"

I believe she's crazy.

Do you honestly believe that all cultures are equal? Really? Think. Stop listening to your pot smoking, goatee stroking prof for a minute and think for yourself.

[maroonfive]

and I will take the views of academia over the views and fallacies of the religious pretentious who view their lives as being more important than someone who does not share their beliefs.
The right are only concerned with themselves and about the almighty dollar. They do not care about others, about suffering, about healthcare, about sharing, and on and on. The only thing that they care about is how much something is going to affect their taxes. I am so glad that I have a different view of the world.
She is a tax auditor and nothing else and these comments should not be a surprise to anyone. She is an american which in her world everyone would be white but she is not a great american and for that matter she is not a great person.

Go Gophers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gogophs]

Do you honestly believe that all cultures are equal? Really? Think. Stop listening to your pot smoking, goatee stroking prof for a minute and think for yourself.

Wow, you must be a mind reader, because you KNOW me after reading two sentences.


I like how you ignored the other things I mentioned. And if you saw the video in which she made that statement, in context, I'm not so sure you'd be as quick to agree with her. Maybe you would, but in any case, unless you agree with the concentration camp line, the one-world currency line, and the "anti-American" witch hunt, the point stands.

[Jike Spingleton]

unless you agree with the concentration camp line, the one-world currency line, and the "anti-American" witch hunt, the point stands.

All those other ones were the fault of the damn liberal MSM.

[Moonlight]

Do you honestly believe that all cultures are equal? Really? Think. Stop listening to your pot smoking, goatee stroking prof for a minute and think for yourself.
My sister is a prof in a BT school and has neither goatee nor a pot smoking habit. Upper echelon profs are working too hard to smoke pot. The jury is out on goatees.
This attitude, promoted by the right, is part of the reason we elected Jessie Ventura and GWB.
It is a promotion of a distrust of intelligence, and Obama has been attacked from this perspective. Fortunately we have realized that being led by those who disdain the intellect is problematic.

[Moonlight]

I personally am in favor of mandatory service to country. It can be the military, it can be something akin to the peacecorps, americorps (we were fortunate to have a wonderful person from this group at my son's school), habitat for humanity - or a created entity. I find it fascinating that the right wing opposes this possibility and calls it propaganda, concentration camps etc.

[gogophs]

All those other ones were the fault of the damn liberal MSM.

God, I hope you're joking.

[Gopher4Life]

jamiche,

>>Obama, who has put in motion everything that he said he was going to do and was elected to do...<<

That's an Obama-sized lie right there.

>>I guess she flips when the red light goes on.<<

I don't think the lady is as "flipped" as her detracters prefer to infer.

[jamiche]

I guess I'm in G4's Liars Club. It must be lonely to be the Keeper of the Truth.

[Gopher4Life]

If the shoe fits...

How 'bout Obama's "half-truth" that estimated our future savings from ending the war in Iraq using the annual war expenditure amount that peaked during the surge to figure savings for future years? Wait a minute. That one's not even half true.

Believe whatever you want to believe. That's whay Obama is hoping we'll do. The fellow has plenty of agenda, but not much of a clue.

[jamiche]

I think it would be burdensome to be the Keeper of the Truth in a world full of liars. How are you holding up?

[Gopher4Life]

It's a tough assignment, but somebody has to do it.

I can't believe you're accepting the lies and deflecting the criticism by ridiculing the critic.

[monk10]

I can't believe you're accepting the lies and deflecting the criticism by ridiculing the critic.

Not a line you want to put in this thread, especially with your earlier posts.

[Gopher4Life]

On the contrary...

[monk10]

Seriously...

[bga1]

jamiche,

>>Obama, who has put in motion everything that he said he was going to do and was elected to do...<<

That's an Obama-sized lie right there.

>>I guess she flips when the red light goes on.<<

I don't think the lady is as "flipped" as her detracters prefer to infer.

Jamiche-

All the polls show that Obama is very popular. The very same polls state that they generally disagree with his policies- when the policies are spelled out. This is the true sign of how the people have been deceived by his smooth language. The policies that Obama campaigned on sounded much better in his language then they do when spelled out in plain English. So you can say he's done as promised and that's partly true, but it's also quite obvious that he fully intended to deceive the voters into accepting what he believes is the true solution. All of this is in the best tradition of any Saul Alinsky disciple.

[nasa35]

He's a one term Prez...Michele will be a Senator someday. He can go back to teleprompter school as a teacher.

He's not nearly as popular as the butt sniffing media would like you to think......just as Michele isn't as unpopular as the attack dog media would like you to think. Keep drinking the koolaid dems, keep nodding your heads and parrot your messiah.

[playhosea!]

He's a one term Prez...Michele will be a Senator someday. He can go back to teleprompter school as a teacher.

He's not nearly as popular as the butt sniffing media would like you to think......just as Michele isn't as unpopular as the attack dog media would like you to think. Keep drinking the koolaid dems, keep nodding your heads and parrot your messiah.


It took me a while to realize that by "Michele" you were referring to Michelle Bachmann.

If you believe Bachmann will ever be elected a Senator from the State of Minnesota then you know absolutely nothing about this state. When was the last hard-right Christian conservative Senator that Minnesota elected? Not to mention that she is a gaffe-per-week punchline for the entire country. CD6 is not remotely reflective of the State of Minnesota as a whole.

This is honestly the dumbest prediction I have read on this board on any subject.

[bga1]

When was the last time a comedian, tax fraud with a record of writing borderline porn elected?

Whoops!

Living proof that the same state that voted in Al Quie, a committed Christian, Jesse Ventura a certifiable nut and wrassler and Franken could vote in just about anyone. Don't count her out, however probable you may see it to be.

What were the odds, Play Hosea, that Obama a black, Frosh senator with a Muslim name (I'm not saying he's Muslim) would get voted President in the same decade as 9-11?

[Dr.Don]

When was the last time a comedian, tax fraud with a record of writing borderline porn elected?

Whoops!

Living proof that the same state that voted in Al Quie, a committed Christian, Jesse Ventura a certifiable nut and wrassler and Franken could vote in just about anyone. Don't count her out, however probable you may see it to be.

What were the odds, Play Hosea, that Obama a black, Frosh senator with a Muslim name (I'm not saying he's Muslim) would get voted President in the same decade as 9-11?




Whoa, Hold on Beej...you just made reference to his Muslim name, then claiming that you are not saying he's a Muslim which infers that because his parent(s) gave him the name they gave him, you are not judging him???? Also, you indicated he is black, no he is not, he is mulado, which is to say he is also white. The only completely true thing you stated was the fact that he was a Frosh Senator.... Just to ask for some clarification here. You really have me more confused, and I was confused to begin with. :)

[playhosea!]

When was the last time a comedian, tax fraud with a record of writing borderline porn elected?

Whoops!

Living proof that the same state that voted in Al Quie, a committed Christian, Jesse Ventura a certifiable nut and wrassler and Franken could vote in just about anyone. Don't count her out, however probable you may see it to be.

What were the odds, Play Hosea, that Obama a black, Frosh senator with a Muslim name (I'm not saying he's Muslim) would get voted President in the same decade as 9-11?

bga1, you may just be incapable of objective, rational thought when it comes to Bachmann. If you were, you'd realize that the Franken election proves exactly how impossible it would be for Bachmann. Franken had no experience, gave the GOP huge targets to shoot at with his personal problems, but he still defeated an incumbent Republican Senator. Why? Because -- newsflash -- Minnesota is a liberal state that didn't like Norm Coleman's period as an attack dog for the Bush administration. And Bachmann is 10 times more aggressive than Coleman ever was.

That's why candidates like Franken and Paul Wellstone get elected in this state. Republicans (and yes, Christians) can be elected statewide, but they look a whole lot more like Tim Pawlenty and Arne Carlson than they do like Michelle Bachmann. Pawlenty has tremendous personal charisma that Bachmann could never dream of possessing.

Comparing Bachmann to Ventura is just stupid. People saw Jesse as a wild card who had to be better than the other guys. Bachmann is known intimately and despised by huge numbers of Minnesota.

You can pretend all you want, but I challenge you to find a single credible political observer who thinks Bachmann has a snowball's chance in hell of being elected a Senator in the state of Minnesota. I know it's painful, but sometimes faith has to give way to reality.

[jamiche]

Jamiche-

All the polls show that Obama is very popular. The very same polls state that they generally disagree with his policies- when the policies are spelled out. This is the true sign of how the people have been deceived by his smooth language. The policies that Obama campaigned on sounded much better in his language then they do when spelled out in plain English. So you can say he's done as promised and that's partly true, but it's also quite obvious that he fully intended to deceive the voters into accepting what he believes is the true solution. All of this is in the best tradition of any Saul Alinsky disciple.

Love it, beej. You brought Saul Alinsky in!!

Have you hooked up with G4 at a gun show yet?

[Moonlight]

At least Franken knows when he is a comedian and when he is not. Bachmann has yet to figure it out. In his SNL days Franken could only wish for the laughs that Bachmann gets!

[jamiche]

It's a tough assignment, but somebody has to do it.

I can't believe you're accepting the lies and deflecting the criticism by ridiculing the critic.


If I'm not mistaken, you called me a liar.