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Looks like the Black Caucus enjoyed their time with Castro. You can't get more clueless than this:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21008.html
monk10
04-08-2009, 10:42 AM
This might get some bi-partisan support. Simple google search found an article stating that Republicans love Cuban Cigars.
http://www.guerillaimports.com/republicans-love-cubans.php (Please be warned i have no idea if the is a right or left bias source. You must be very very cautious until it can be confirmed.)
Write to your representative, let's make it happen.
jamiche
04-08-2009, 11:28 AM
Looks like the Black Caucus enjoyed their time with Castro. You can't get more clueless than this:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21008.html
Then, beej, can I assume that you think it is clueless for the U.S. to have economic and diplomatic relations with Viet Nam? Or, for that matter, Russia and China?
As the article referenced, our 50 year economic embargo has not exactly undermined the Castro regime.
You present yourself as a very successful business person. When you try something in your company that proves itself unsuccessful, do you keep doing it?
Schnoodler
04-08-2009, 11:43 AM
It's really time to put an end to the idiocy. It's twenty years past due.
Then, beej, can I assume that you think it is clueless for the U.S. to have economic and diplomatic relations with Viet Nam? Or, for that matter, Russia and China?
As the article referenced, our 50 year economic embargo has not exactly undermined the Castro regime.
You present yourself as a very successful business person. When you try something in your company that proves itself unsuccessful, do you keep doing it?
We can have discussions with Castro or not have discussions with Castro. I don't care. Nothing will change him. The lunacy I pointed to was the praise they offer him. I shows the lack of a moral compass.
At this point I'm not sure whether it would be better to open up Cuba or not. I guess he would be very similar to the North Korean nut- as both have starved their populations. Castro just doesn't have nukes.
jamiche
04-08-2009, 12:34 PM
We can have discussions with Castro or not have discussions with Castro. I don't care. Nothing will change him. The lunacy I pointed to was the praise they offer him. I shows the lack of a moral compass.
At this point I'm not sure whether it would be better to open up Cuba or not. I guess he would be very similar to the North Korean nut- as both have starved their populations. Castro just doesn't have nukes.
Where was your Hero's moral compass when he praised the president of China on numerous occasions?
I don't think Bush was tough enough on China with regards to human rights- I will say that. I would also say that our situation with China is substantially different despite the fact that I think China has deplorable, morally corrupt leadership and has had for our lifetimes and beyond.
In fact, China may be an example of how you can corrupt yourself when you get in bed with this type of country financially or otherwise. I think Nixon's administration was the starting point if I recall correctly. Certainly both good and bad has come from it.
jamiche
04-08-2009, 01:46 PM
China has the most reprehensible record on human rights in the world. I would say that they are tied with North Korea but the ignominious distinction is that North Korea only enslaves its own people and China has, in essence, enslaved Darfur and Tibet.
4starrecruit
04-08-2009, 06:04 PM
Some would maintain that the USA does not have the greatest human rights record in the world in many ways. If you think a country with the population of China can be run exactly the way we run the USA, you are probably very wrong.
We probably have more violent crimes committed on American streets than are committed in many other nations. What's with that?
It is obvious that if you have a lot of money in the USA that you will get a much better shake in the court system. Bernie Madoff spend months under house arrest in his palace. A kid who would have taken a car for a joy ride would have spent his time waiting for his trial locked up.
A lot of right wingers want to limit an individual's right to bring law suits and limit awards? What would that do to a human's "rights?"
I think that we had better take care of our own problems in this country and try to make sure that our own citizens have their "human rights" safeguarded.
You people who want to pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist if they aren't carbon copies of the United States had better be joining the army and getting ready to go to war every year for the next thirty years. What do you want to do? Bomb 'em? Nuke 'em? Do hand to hand combat with the Chinese Army? (Hint, they outnumber us pretty badly...)
I want some diplomacy and if we don't start talking with the rest of the world, we are not going to last much longer. If other countries outbid us for natural resources, decide to boycott the USA we become exactly like them, we all will have a very rude awakening. This world has gotten very small. The world is more heavily populated all the time. Things are not likely to remain the way that things have been for the past hundred years or so. There will be changes. We will need to change to survive in this new, rapidly changing world. The balance of power may not work well in this century. Maybe we had better hope that we move beyond trying to bully our way around. I don't know if we hold that much of an upper hand with the kinds of problems that the world is facing now, as opposed to post WWII. These are different times. There are different problems. Our economy and the world's economy appears to be at a tipping point. Unless we want to nuke the rest of the world, I don't know how much power we hold.
And, remember: IF we nuke the rest of the world, we will basically nuke our own future as well. Is it time to just put an end to it all and go out as the big winner? I certainly hope not.
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