UVa site says Tubby to be named coach on Monday

[Stan]

What do we think?

http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/basketball/2009/March/27/1103529.php

[Winnipegopher]

Man I hope not. That said there few people I distrust more than college coaches (tubby currenlty excepted).

Caoches who move should have to sit out a year just like the players.

[akgopher]

I'm calling it an early April Fools joke.

[97alumni]

What do we think?

http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/basketball/2009/March/27/1103529.php


I personally don't believe it. BUT if it's true - I hope Maturi already has the contract ready to go for Flip to sign.

[akgopher]

If UVA gets Tubby, the reason Donovan turned Kentucky down was to be a Gopher.

[MRJ]

Well, if he does decide to go and it does happen to be on Monday with an entire weekend for the local press to talk about it, we will know all about it before it actually happens. It will also mean that we'll be talking with potential coaches starting immediately I would think.

I'm hoping its not true because, frankly, it doesn't make any sense. But then again, it is college sports after all.

[MNSnowman]

We all know about the rigorous standards that fan sites require before publishing speculation, so I'm sure it must be true. [/sarcasm]

If it happens, it happens. I have always heard/believed that Tubby is a man of integrity so I'm riding with that thought in mind.

[akgopher]

he was at the state tournament last night watching his prized recruit.

This is proof that the affordable personal computer wasn't necessarily a good development. It also frightens me that our democracy will be in the hands of the internet soon as the newspaper media is going bankrupt.

[MRJ]

We all know about the rigorous standards that fan sites require before publishing speculation, so I'm sure it must be true. [/sarcasm]

If it happens, it happens. I have always heard/believed that Tubby is a man of integrity so I'm riding with that thought in mind.

yeah, nothing Tubby has done or said has indicated anything other he will be staying put. But if he does go, it will be one of the great snowball jobs of all time by a Minnesota coach. :mad:

[97alumni]

If it happens, it happens. I have always heard/believed that Tubby is a man of integrity so I'm riding with that thought in mind.

That's my philosophy - I doubt it but if it happens - it happens.

[howeda7]

The only reason it even gives me pause is that people are vouching that the people posting this at the very least have plausible contacts. That being said, I think the search firm has kept the lid air tight on this and any leaks are orginating in someone's mind. Unless you really believe that Rick Barnes was indeed walking around JPJ on Tuesday night as was confirmed with 'sources'.

[Son of a Badger]

Guh, all these rumors are going to give me an ulcer.

[TubbyTime2009]

IF Tubby does leave to UVA, and Cobbs wants to go too.. Here's my question:

Assuming Flip gets the job immediately, should the Gophers let Cobbs out of his commitment (if that's what he wants) and just go after Darius Smith hard again?

Don't jump down my throat.. I realize that's a lot of IF's.. Tubby would have to leave, UVA would need to have an open scholarship somehow, and Cobbs would have to be dead set on following Tubby, regardless of the school. I just think it's an interesting question.

[Section201]

What do we think?

http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/basketball/2009/March/27/1103529.php

Seriuosly. You bother to copy this link and propagate such worthless, unsubstatiated uncorraborated crap?

Here is the whole story from this link:

Subject: I hear it's Tubby w/announcement Monday
Posted by: G-Len Portier on Fri Mar 27 2009 4:08:31 PM
Message:

I hope that's the case. A classy guy and a steady proven commodity

Let me just add, today I heard from my special sources that monkees from the planet Mars landed on top of Williams Arena this afternoon and proclaimed the world as we know it will end this Sunday at 6 PM CDT.

Now someone from some other internet message board can link to my post as proof the World will end Sunday! :) :) :)

That is what I think.

[MadisonRaisedGopherCrazed]

Let me just add, today I heard from my special sources that monkees from the planet Mars landed on top of Williams Arena this afternoon and proclaimed the world as we know it will end this Sunday at 6 PM CDT.

If Section 201 is hearing it, then I would believe him. He is someone with a proven track record.

Now are the monkeys going to end the world on their own, or do these monkeys also have sources that say the world will end.
If the monkeys are hearing it, Then I would believe them. They are animals with a proven track record.

[alltimetwinsfan]

Let me just add, today I heard from my special sources that monkees from the planet Mars landed on top of Williams Arena this afternoon and proclaimed the world as we know it will end this Sunday at 6 PM CDT.

Oh crap...now I have to move my fantasy baseball draft up to the afternoon to get it in before the world ends...

[Section201]

If Section 201 is hearing it, then I would believe him. He is someone with a proven track record.

:clap: :) :clap: :clap: :)

[GoldInDirt]

I'm long past weary of this discussion. Either:
1) Virginia has solidified itself as some of the dumbest and most dilusional fans in the country
2) Tubby has suddenly become very dishonorable assuming he actually gave President Bruininks his word and based on the rest of his comments in the media.

I'm leaning heavily towards number one.

[GopherGod]

The only reason it even gives me pause is that people are vouching that the people posting this at the very least have plausible contacts. That being said, I think the search firm has kept the lid air tight on this and any leaks are orginating in someone's mind. Unless you really believe that Rick Barnes was indeed walking around JPJ on Tuesday night as was confirmed with 'sources'.

Rick Barnes would have to be crazy to leave Texas, great fan base, tons of in-state talent, and a booster and university that can easily afford to outpay any other program in the country and in one of the nicest college towns in the country.

[tjgopher]

I said this early in the week. If UVA was going to make a run at Tubby, they would have learned the first time that they will need to show him the money. I'm not saying this has happened, but what if they all of the sudden threw just a boatload of money his way? Donovan is the highest paid coach at $3.5 million per year. What if UVA offers Tubby 7-years/$30 million to make him the highest paid coach in the country?

In this economy, could you blame him for going?

[howeda7]

I said this early in the week. If UVA was going to make a run at Tubby, they would have learned the first time that they will need to show him the money. I'm not saying this has happened, but what if they threw a 7-year/$30 million deal his way? That would make him the highest paid coach in the country.

In this economy, could you blame him for going? I mean $30 million?


It's possible, but this is also a very politically correct town. Paying the basketball coach $4 million dollars would be frowned upon by the elites at UVA. Plus it would be like 4 times what Al Groh makes which I think would be a bit akward in the AD. The speculation is that UVA would pay him about $3 million including incentives which really isn't that much more then he can make at Minnesota.

[jamiche]

What do we think?

http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/basketball/2009/March/27/1103529.php

If it is true, why would the parties wait until Monday?

[gophersfan]

Rumor now that it is a big ten coach. but it is not Tubby Smith.

http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/basketball/2009/March/27/1103830.php

[gopherguy05]

Rumor now that it is a big ten coac. but it is not Tubby Smith.

http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/basketball/2009/March/27/1103830.php

LOL They are saying it's Lickliter!!!

well maybe there is some truth to that....maybe thats why all the Iowa guys are transfering????

[MRJ]

Rumor now that it is a big ten coach. but it is not Tubby Smith.

http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/basketball/2009/March/27/1103830.php

Are you kidding me??!!!! This is nothing short of INSANE. But on the surface, it would make sense. Tubby has shown absolutely no indications of leaving either in his behavior or what he has said. Meanwhile, players are bailing on Iowa left and right and Lickliter is thought to be in hot water.

This would also explain the supposed conversation that Littlepage had with Tubby on Thursday. It might have been as simple as asking what Tubby thought of Lickliter. On top of that, the guy that said the announcement was on Monday said he "hoped" it was Tubby but could not get confirmation. It might be as simple as hearing from his source saying it was a Big Ten coach and everyone assumed it was Tubby. Certainly, it appears to be a possibility. But then again, who knows???!!!!

Things that make you go hmmmm....

[97alumni]

Rumor now that it is a big ten coach. but it is not Tubby Smith.

http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/basketball/2009/March/27/1103830.php

Thad Matta? Maybe he's tired of all the one and dones

[Gold Vision]

Haha, that would be hilarious on so many levels!

[tjgopher]

Todd Lickliter just held a news conference TODAY in Iowa City. No chance he's the guy for UVA. If he is going to UVA he certainly doesn't hold a news conference today to answer questions about why his guys are transferring. Obviously no one on that board knows anything.

[GoldenGo4Fan]

Are you kidding me??!!!! This is nothing short of INSANE. But on the surface, it would make sense. Tubby has shown absolutely no indications of leaving either in his behavior or what he has said. Meanwhile, players are bailing on Iowa left and right and Lickliter is thought to be in hot water.

This would also explain the supposed conversation that Littlepage had with Tubby on Thursday. It might have been as simple as asking what Tubby thought of Lickliter. On top of that, the guy that said the announcement was on Monday said he "hoped" it was Tubby but could not get confirmation. It might be as simple as hearing from his source saying it was a Big Ten coach and everyone assumed it was Tubby. Certainly, it appears to be a possibility. But then again, who knows???!!!!

Things that make you go hmmmm....

I agree this makes more sense than Tubby. Someone posted in the last few days about a flight from IA and a reply was that "didn't we have a layover in IA when we went to MN a few years ago".

Players bolting, Big10 program, going nowhere fast. Now this is the first thing on that board that has made some sense in the last week. I go there as much as CatPause these days for pure entertainment.

I see the Iowa stereotypes have already begun. Better them than us I guess.

[Friend Of Tubby]

It's possible, but this is also a very politically correct town. Paying the basketball coach $4 million dollars would be frowned upon by the elites at UVA. Plus it would be like 4 times what Al Groh makes which I think would be a bit akward in the AD. The speculation is that UVA would pay him about $3 million including incentives which really isn't that much more then he can make at Minnesota.

UVa rejected his request for $3 million (per) in 2005.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

[MRJ]

I agree this makes more sense than Tubby. Someone posted in the last few days about a flight from IA and a reply was that "didn't we have a layover in IA when we went to MN a few years ago".

Players bolting, Big10 program, going nowhere fast. Now this is the first thing on that board that has made some sense in the last week. I go there as much as CatPause these days for pure entertainment.

I see the Iowa stereotypes have already begun. Better them than us I guess.

Yeah, now they are taking after us and claiming their inherent superiority....again.:rolleyes:

One even tried to rip on us for "ignoring rumors." I guess from now on, we all should never ignore a rumor ever again....

[Schnoodler]

I don't think the economy is too tough for Tubby. It won't be a financial decision.

[MNSnowman]

IF Tubby does leave to UVA, and Cobbs wants to go too.. Here's my question:

Assuming Flip gets the job immediately, should the Gophers let Cobbs out of his commitment (if that's what he wants) and just go after Darius Smith hard again?

Don't jump down my throat.. I realize that's a lot of IF's.. Tubby would have to leave, UVA would need to have an open scholarship somehow, and Cobbs would have to be dead set on following Tubby, regardless of the school. I just think it's an interesting question.And if Section 201's Monkeys are correct and the world does end Sunday at 6:00 ...


should we start Cobbs for the two pre-season games but retroactively let him out of his commitment just to show that there's no hard feelings?
should we sign Flip with a contractual provision that requires he return all monies Monday morning if the world does really end?!?
should the GopherHole require a majority vote on whether a question is interesting before it can be raised -- kinda like "deja vu" -- but more far-reaching, if you know what I mean.

But at least nobody jumped down your throat. Sorta.

[MNSnowman]

I bet it's Izzo. I have a source and he was telling me how much he likes "Izzo's ice cream." At first I thought it was a misunderstanding, but now I realize he's using code and telling me who the next HC at UVa is going to be.

And he's a monkey trainer.

[Bronko Nagurski Gopher]

I bet it's Izzo. I have a source and he was telling me how much he likes "Izzo's ice cream." At first I thought it was a misunderstanding, but now I realize he's using code and telling me who the next HC at UVa is going to be.

And he's a monkey trainer.

someone is on FIRE tonight!

[Handsome Pete]

This is idiotic. Tubby is going nowhere. It is more likely that Billy Donovan will coach Minnesota next year than Tubby coaching Virginia.

[Section201]

this thread is a hoot. I hope UV doesnt pick a coach for weeks! The possibilities are endless.
:) :) :)

[calminnfan]

Izzo leave MS for Virginia! Not going to happen.

[MRJ]

Izzo leave MS for Virginia! Not going to happen.

As an aside, I mentioned that the Kentucky folks thought Izzo might be a candidate for their job to dear old dad earlier today and he came back with "yeah, he might think about it. But before that he would have to fall down the stairs, land on his head, go through a lengthy coma and then suddenly recover before coming to his senses and realize the fog he found himself in."

Actually, this is about where I think any school's chances of landing Izzo lay: In some kind of coma-induced state of confusion.

[akgopher]

Alright this just getting funnier. I checked out the UVA site and they revealed the identity of the "source" who called the latest Tubby hire by telling people to google his username. I'll leave it at that.

[97alumni]

Alright this just getting funnier. I checked out the UVA site and they revealed the identity of the "source" who called the latest Tubby hire by telling people to google his username. I'll leave it at that.

Can you summarize - I hate that board and it's layout with a passion

[Moonlight]

I had a dream last night that Bill Self came to Gopherlady and told her that Tom Izzo was leaving Lupi for her and coming to Minnesota. Tubby was replacing McHale, and McHale leaked this info when he met Bob Dylan in Hibbing for coffee. Flip finds himself inexplicably in Virginia and realizes he has a final in Calculus that he hasn't studied for, and is then chased down the hall by a mob of UK fans who force him to sign a contract.
Then I woke up, but it makes sense to me.

[Bronko Nagurski Gopher]

I had a dream last night that Bill Self came to Gopherlady and told her that Tom Izzo was leaving Lupi for her and coming to Minnesota. Tubby was replacing McHale, and McHale leaked this info when he met Bob Dylan in Hibbing for coffee. Flip finds himself inexplicably in Virginia and realizes he has a final in Calculus that he hasn't studied for, and is then chased down the hall by a mob of UK fans who force him to sign a contract.
Then I woke up, but it makes sense to me.

:cry: that is me laughing so hard that there are tears! too funny.

[BleedGopher]

Can you summarize - I hate that board and it's layout with a passion

I've never seen a more confusing board layout in my life. The majority of people just post one liners in the subject and that's it, it's hard to read and follow and it's incredibly outdated. Not to mention the majority of their fans are irrational.

Go Gophers!!

[JDGopher]

I haven't read every post that has to do with Tubby leaving, but I have a simple question: If he left, what does that do to his credibility as a coach? I mean, he bolted Kentucky (granted, it was pretty much a no brainer and I don't think anyone blames him or would, even Kentucky fans seem to get it), and he's been saying all along that he is staying here. If you're a recruit, how can you be sure he won't do the same at his next stop if he is willing to leave two years after arriving?

I know there are examples of coaches who've done that (Bobby Petrino comes to mind...), but I just feel like this would turn him from a respectable and highly thought of man to somewhat of a "bad guy".

I personally don't think he's leaving us for VA. I don't think they can offer anything that we can't, except the family and weather thing, but i think that would be countered by the mess they have for a basketball program right now and how we are on the way up, or seem to be.

[Moonlight]

:cry: that is me laughing so hard that there are tears! too funny.
And as Bob goes on to sing forlornly to Billy Gillepsie:
How does it feel
To be on your own
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone

[Maroon Shower]

I had a dream last night that Bill Self came to Gopherlady and told her that Tom Izzo was leaving Lupi for her and coming to Minnesota. Tubby was replacing McHale, and McHale leaked this info when he met Bob Dylan in Hibbing for coffee. Flip finds himself inexplicably in Virginia and realizes he has a final in Calculus that he hasn't studied for, and is then chased down the hall by a mob of UK fans who force him to sign a contract.
Then I woke up, but it makes sense to me.

Post of the year.

[GoldInDirt]

I've been reading Gopherhole for about 2 years and Moonlight has the best post I've read yet. Quality stuff. How are you going to top this?

[MRJ]

Okay, I believe its time to cut through this crap about Virginia and float out my current theory.

Word earlier in the week was Virginia had an offer out to somebody, originally not thought to be Tubby, but to somebody. There were some conflicting reports on this, but one of their bloggers believed it to be the case. What I think happened is this: The offer was made, Virginia told the coach in question to think about it and give them an answer and that coach has now given them an answer.

Since that time, Tubby has gone on the road to see Justin Cobbs and Royce White play in their respective state tournaments. He has also done an interview with Sid in which he talked about how excited he is for his incoming recruits next year, thinks the team is on the threshold of something special and praised the level of high school basketball in the state. To me, doesn't sound like a guy who is going somewhere else.

Back to Virginia for a moment, my theory is that the original coach in question has accepted and now they are working out the details of his contract, which is supposedly going to be announced on Monday. However, I highly doubt the coach in question is Tubby. Again, unless Tubby is pulling one of the all-time snowjobs in this part of the country, I'm thinking whoever received the initial offer has accepted and is now working out the details. If it's Tubby, than I stand corrected. But I don't think it is.

Okay, enough rationality. Time to get back to rumorville!!!!:D

[Handsome Pete]

Todd Lickliter just held a news conference TODAY in Iowa City. No chance he's the guy for UVA. If he is going to UVA he certainly doesn't hold a news conference today to answer questions about why his guys are transferring. Obviously no one on that board knows anything.

That presser was obligatory. It doesn't preclude a move by Lickliter at all.

[Moonlight]

GoldInDirt,
Watch for The Bold and Gopherhole: A Coaching Retrospective.

[Section201]

And as Bob goes on to sing forlornly to Billy Gillepsie:
How does it feel
To be on your own
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone

Maroon I have to say this one by Moonlight is the post of the year!

But we can disagree without being disagreeable :)

And Moonlight --> :clap: :clap: :clap:

[tjgopher]

I don't think the economy is too tough for Tubby. It won't be a financial decision.

Why? It was completely a financial decision that last time UVA offered him a job. Seems to me quite logical that it would be a financial decision this time, too. If UVA had offered him $3 million last time, he's already the coach there. If he is offered $3.5-$4 million/year this time, why is it hard to believe he wouldn't bolt for the cash, moving to his wife's virtual hometown to boot?

[tjgopher]

That presser was obligatory. It doesn't preclude a move by Lickliter at all.

It was not obligatory. If you think Lickliter would sit through negative questions about the future of Iowa basketball today, all the while knowing he's going to be introduced on Monday in Charlotteville, then you're nuts. On top of which, anyone who thinks that the UVA AD would fire Leito, float Tubby's name, and then pull out Todd Freaking Lickliter as the coach, then they are even more nuts. That would essentially be career suicide for that AD.

[howeda7]

Those I have talked to who are in the media here (those who don't speculate on blogs) point out that if UVA was going to land Tubby they likely would have done it by now. There is no confirmation yet there's going to be anyone revealed on Monday, let alone if it will be Tubby.

[BleedGopher]

Those I have talked to who are in the media here (those who don't speculate on blogs) point out that if UVA was going to land Tubby they likely would have done it by now. There is no confirmation yet there's going to be anyone revealed on Monday, let alone if it will be Tubby.

howeda7, that makes sense to me. If it was going to be Tubby, why would both parties have waited a week? That doesn't do the new coach or UVa any good. Thanks for your onsite insight!

Go Gophers!!

[MRJ]

Those I have talked to who are in the media here (those who don't speculate on blogs) point out that if UVA was going to land Tubby they likely would have done it by now. There is no confirmation yet there's going to be anyone revealed on Monday, let alone if it will be Tubby.

Practically speaking, I totally agree with you. There is no basis for this rumor at all. But we have to remember that the initial rumor came from someone who said they heard this from donors. In other words, they heard it from someone who heard it from someone who may have heard it from somewhere else. The only people who have talked directly to Tubby lately that I know of are reporters in the cities and they haven't said anything about a possible move to Virginia in more than a week.

It just looks like a rumor and a substantially weak rumor at that...

[howeda7]

Practically speaking, I totally agree with you. There is no basis for this rumor at all. But we have to remember that the initial rumor came from someone who said they heard this from donors. In other words, they heard it from someone who heard it from someone who may have heard it from somewhere else. The only people who have talked directly to Tubby lately that I know of are reporters in the cities and they haven't said anything about a possible move to Virginia in more than a week.

It just looks like a rumor and a substantially weak rumor at that...

Virginia athletics is funded a little differently then Minnesota. The coaches are employees of the University. But the University only pays a small part of thier salary and the 'Virigina Athletic Fund' pays the rest. The VAF is funded by donors obviously, and it has gotten hit hard by the economy as you might expect.

That being said, I'm quite sure that the heavy hitters (John Tutor Jones specifically). gave thier support long before Dave Lieto was fired. Therefore I find it very hard to believe that after keeping this tight lipped the whole time, they struck a deal with Tubby and then had to call around to additional donors cobbling together enough money to do the deal.

[MRJ]

Virginia athletics is funded a little differently then Minnesota. The coaches are employees of the University. But the University only pays a small part of thier salary and the 'Virigina Athletic Fund' pays the rest. The VAF is funded by donors obviously, and it has gotten hit hard by the economy as you might expect.

That being said, I'm quite sure that the heavy hitters (John Tutor Jones specifically). gave thier support long before Dave Lieto was fired. Therefore I find it very hard to believe that after keeping this tight lipped the whole time, they struck a deal with Tubby and then had to call around to additional donors cobbling together enough money to do the deal.

Thanks for the insight. Regardless, I find it almost impossible to believe that Tubby is on his way to Virginia. There just isn't any indication of such a move.

[jamiche]

GoldInDirt,
Watch for The Bold and Gopherhole: A Coaching Retrospective.

We've waited an awfully long time for the return of "The Bold and the Gopherhole", Moonlight!

[FiveStarFan]

I've never seen a more confusing board layout in my life. The majority of people just post one liners in the subject and that's it, it's hard to read and follow and it's incredibly outdated. Not to mention the majority of their fans are irrational.

Go Gophers!!

I was thinking the same thing when I looked at their board as well! I really wish Tubby would come out like Donovon did today with Kentucky and smile in UVA's face and say thanks but no thanks! Channel 4 sports last night showed Tubby watching some small school high school games at the barn last night...Do you really believe that Tubby would be wasting his time watching this game (no major D1 talent) if he were on the verge of leaving?! No! He would have been in Rodney and Royce's ears to try and get them to go with.
:party:

[EG#9]

The Sabre is hilarious. I read one post that said we were nicknamed the Gophers because we "stick our head in the dirt and ignore rumors". These guys think they have a legit shot at Tubby, which is funny. They also think that Capel is their no.2 choice on the backburner if Tubby somehow doesn't come which is hilarious.

The press conference introducing their actual coach will be a real downer for the Wahoo fans.

[Sparlimb]

It was not obligatory. If you think Lickliter would sit through negative questions about the future of Iowa basketball today, all the while knowing he's going to be introduced on Monday in Charlotteville, then you're nuts. On top of which, anyone who thinks that the UVA AD would fire Leito, float Tubby's name, and then pull out Todd Freaking Lickliter as the coach, then they are even more nuts. That would essentially be career suicide for that AD.

First ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON post in this entire freakin thread. Congrats TJG. Iowa fans would be ecstatic if UVA were to take Lickliter off their hands. He's the only coach I can think of that could have possibly made Iowa worse than Indiana is just one off season. Not just anyone can do that...

[Gopher_Ace]

I was thinking the same thing when I looked at their board as well! I really wish Tubby would come out like Donovon did today with Kentucky and smile in UVA's face and say thanks but no thanks! Channel 4 sports last night showed Tubby watching some small school high school games at the barn last night...Do you really believe that Tubby would be wasting his time watching this game (no major D1 talent) if he were on the verge of leaving?! No! He would have been in Rodney and Royce's ears to try and get them to go with.
:party:


Reall?:confused: After they signed LOIs? Dont think so :confused:

[FiveStarFan]

Reall?:confused: After they signed LOIs? Dont think so :confused:

true, true...but doesn't explain why he would be sitting around the barn watching a 2A game while on the verge of signing half way across the country...

[Gopher_Ace]

Was he really at a 2A basketball game? That howard lake game? Seriously?

[FiveStarFan]

yes! I'm not sure the two teams, but I saw video on channel 4 during sports on thurs night of him watching it. Must be looking for diamonds in the rough for UVA...I think not. :D Just making his presence known around the state by being seen as often as possible. IMO

[Bronko Nagurski Gopher]

Was he really at a 2A basketball game? That howard lake game? Seriously?

actually, he was at the chisholm game on thursday partly in support/admiration of their head coach who has been coaching that squad for something like 54 years. what is wrong with that?!

i have read a couple of your prior posts. recommendation: quit trying to be a provocative smart-ass prick regarding the gophers and tubby.......it is not working too well. ;)

[Gopher_Ace]

That wasnt a smartass comment. Ive heard other people say he left the state tourney early.... and may not be in town.

I have nothing against howard lake or chisholm. I am simply worried that Tubby could be leaving.

What other smart ass comment did I make. I have 12 posts now in the new dawn dude.

[GopherLady]

I had a dream last night that Bill Self came to Gopherlady and told her that Tom Izzo was leaving Lupi for her and coming to Minnesota. Tubby was replacing McHale, and McHale leaked this info when he met Bob Dylan in Hibbing for coffee. Flip finds himself inexplicably in Virginia and realizes he has a final in Calculus that he hasn't studied for, and is then chased down the hall by a mob of UK fans who force him to sign a contract.
Then I woke up, but it makes sense to me.


You did NOT just post this, LOLOLOLOL!!!

It was funny enough when you emailed me about your dream, I had no idea you posted it!

[The Brewmaster]

Lorenzo Romar as the KY coach. Why doesn't that make sense?

[Dameon2k]

Just to clear things up not all of us UVA fans are delusional and if your getting information from certain outlets addressed here then your digging into what most UVA fans call the loony bin. However, to say the Virginia job isn't attractive or that it is a total impossibility that Tubby would come to UVA is crazy in today's sports world. Not to mention UVA is a hell of a lot more attractive than North Western.

Do I think Tubby will come to UVA? I think it is a possibility though personally I would rather have Sean Miller or Anthony Grant no disrespect to Minnesota or Tubby. I could live with Tubby as our coach but think it would be a better investment to get a young and up coming coach. Plus it would suck for any team in the NCAA to lose a coach that has helped them so much so soon. So on another personal note I hope you guys keep him 'cause I don't want to get the bad mojo from a "Tubby abandons Minnesota" deal. Plus it may be worth mentioning before our last coach Tubby wanted to come to UVA but wanted 3 mil a year and UVA's President/Boosters wouldn't go for it as they only wanted to shell out 1 mil a year. Hopefully our AD will be allowed to make his choice this time and the President will let him do his job.

Now to go back to Virginia being an attractive job I'll just post what my good friend DonGoUVA posted on another Gopher board. I think it makes a valid and respectable point. Other than that I wish you guys the best in the future you certainly have a promising squad of players that play with a lot of heart.

DonGoUVA said:

How quickly you guys forget your 9-22 season before Tubby arrived. Why would Tubby or "anyone" come to Minnesota to coach a 9-22 team? Tubby did!

The 8 years before Tubby, Minnesota had 4 losing records and lost 20 more games than UVA....nothing for either team to boast about. UVA had 2 losing seasons in that 8 years.

ACC is the ACC though.

ACC/Big Ten challenge.....The ACC leads the series 62-35. UVA is 5-4 and Minnesota is 4-6 overall in the challenges.

UVA has one of the finest and most up to date basketball facilities in the country with the new John Paul Jones Arena or haven't you heard?

When could go back and compare histories for 25 years (1974-1999), Terry Holland with a 326-173 UVA record, add Jeff Jones 474-277 total won-lost record over that span, 2 final 4's and a number of sweet 16's and 4 Elite 8'S. I believe only 4 losing seasons thru Holland/Jones Era.

I'm not knocking Minnesota......but before you disparge a school, don't look at just the last 2 years.

Remember before "Tubby" (9-22) and we were (10-18) which was our worst record in over 30 years. 10-18 is only slightly better than 9-22 but that was with the 4th or 5th best Strength of Schedule (SOS) in the country.

We also have "great fans", reasonable expectations, a beautiful state of the art basketball facility that includes everything....practice facilities (plural) and much more. With the right coach, our players will be very competitive next season.

And "Tubby" can recruit as well or better here. UVA is a good school, Minnesota is a good school.

I'm not saying he'll be our coach, but it is reasonable for us to want him as it is for you to want to keep him.

Just have your facts straight before you knock another school and by the way, we weren't last in the ACC, even with our worst season in over 30 years.

Sorry, I got up on my "soapbox", but UVA is a great school and Minnesota "ain't" so bad either.

And Tubby is a great coach!!!

Note: Not all this was directed towards this board but since everyone seems to be in awe of Tubby possibly considering UVA I found the facts interesting.

[minngg]

Just to clear things up not all of us UVA fans are delusional and if your getting information from certain outlets addressed here then your digging into what most UVA fans call the loony bin. However, to say the Virginia job isn't attractive or that it is a total impossibility that Tubby would come to UVA is crazy in today's sports world. Not to mention UVA is a hell of a lot more attractive than North Western.

Do I think Tubby will come to UVA? I think it is a possibility though personally I would rather have Sean Miller or Anthony Grant no disrespect to Minnesota or Tubby. I could live with Tubby as our coach but think it would be a better investment to get a young and up coming coach. Plus it would suck for any team in the NCAA to lose a coach that has helped them so much so soon. So on another personal note I hope you guys keep him 'cause I don't want to get the bad mojo from a "Tubby abandons Minnesota" deal. Plus it may be worth mentioning before our last coach Tubby wanted to come to UVA but wanted 3 mil a year and UVA's President/Boosters wouldn't go for it as they only wanted to shell out 1 mil a year. Hopefully our AD will be allowed to make his choice this time and the President will let him do his job.

Now to go back to Virginia being an attractive job I'll just post what my good friend DonGoUVA posted on another Gopher board. I think it makes a valid and respectable point. Other than that I wish you guys the best in the future you certainly have a promising squad of players that play with a lot of heart.

DonGoUVA said:

How quickly you guys forget your 9-22 season before Tubby arrived. Why would Tubby or "anyone" come to Minnesota to coach a 9-22 team? Tubby did!

The 8 years before Tubby, Minnesota had 4 losing records and lost 20 more games than UVA....nothing for either team to boast about. UVA had 2 losing seasons in that 8 years.

ACC is the ACC though.

ACC/Big Ten challenge.....The ACC leads the series 62-35. UVA is 5-4 and Minnesota is 4-6 overall in the challenges.

UVA has one of the finest and most up to date basketball facilities in the country with the new John Paul Jones Arena or haven't you heard?

When could go back and compare histories for 25 years (1974-1999), Terry Holland with a 326-173 UVA record, add Jeff Jones 474-277 total won-lost record over that span, 2 final 4's and a number of sweet 16's and 4 Elite 8'S. I believe only 4 losing seasons thru Holland/Jones Era.

I'm not knocking Minnesota......but before you disparge a school, don't look at just the last 2 years.

Remember before "Tubby" (9-22) and we were (10-18) which was our worst record in over 30 years. 10-18 is only slightly better than 9-22 but that was with the 4th or 5th best Strength of Schedule (SOS) in the country.

We also have "great fans", reasonable expectations, a beautiful state of the art basketball facility that includes everything....practice facilities (plural) and much more. With the right coach, our players will be very competitive next season.

And "Tubby" can recruit as well or better here. UVA is a good school, Minnesota is a good school.

I'm not saying he'll be our coach, but it is reasonable for us to want him as it is for you to want to keep him.

Just have your facts straight before you knock another school and by the way, we weren't last in the ACC, even with our worst season in over 30 years.

Sorry, I got up on my "soapbox", but UVA is a great school and Minnesota "ain't" so bad either.

And Tubby is a great coach!!!

Note: Not all this was directed towards this board but since everyone seems to be in awe of Tubby possibly considering UVA I found the facts interesting.

Good post but here is what you are missing. Tubby came to MN to escape the pressure of high profile program. Signing a huge contract to coach at VA would bring him right back to what he left. Maybe not as bad, but certainly more pressure than MN. The other thing you are forgetting is that Tubby would be abandoning all of the work he has put in the last two seasons and all of his recruiting success for the future. Does he want to start over again? At some point he wants to see the fruits of his labor. Finally, Tubby is not Petrino. I believe the man when he says something. The fact the VA fans do not believe him, bothers me.

[Section201]

Dameon2K:

Not an unreasonable post. Lets be honest, we dont want to lose Tubby. We dont like being thought of as some poor sister. I think UV has similar feelings. Some of the posts at the "sabre" are laughable, as you could expect at any message board. I think those are the ones that are inspiring the retalitory jabs.

Good luck getting a coach, as long as it isnt Tubby.

[hyaluronic]

Kentucky fans were trying to kick Tubby out of the door; Minnesota fans love Tubby and want to see Maturi (our AD) do whatever it takes to keep him. That is another huge distinction between when he left Kentucky, and any current job opportunities.

[walleyedude]

To Stan the Poster:

Your are an idiot. Please STFU and quit posting this kind of crap.

Shut your PC down and go walk on some unsafe ice.

Can you tell I am sick and tired of people posting shat like this?

[jovs]

From a career perspective it does not seem to me that UVA would be a great choice for Tubby at this point in his life. He would be starting from scratch as he did in Minnesota two years ago and trying to build on that. If Minnesota is any indication of how long it takes he would be three to four years out on having a competitive team. With that said his career may be taking a back seat to considerations like his wife wanting to move back to Virginia. If family consideration takes precedence I think there is the possibility that he could take the job. If coaching basketball is his top consideration I doubt he takes the job.

[Friend Of Tubby]

Good post but here is what you are missing. Tubby came to MN to escape the pressure of high profile program. Signing a huge contract to coach at VA would bring him right back to what he left. Maybe not as bad, but certainly more pressure than MN. The other thing you are forgetting is that Tubby would be abandoning all of the work he has put in the last two seasons and all of his recruiting success for the future. Does he want to start over again? At some point he wants to see the fruits of his labor. Finally, Tubby is not Petrino. I believe the man when he says something. The fact the VA fans do not believe him, bothers me.

Tubby came to Minnesota for a chance to BUILD (or rebuild, if U prefer) a high profile program. He wants to be on top, that's 4 sure.

You're gonna enjoy 2010-11-12 at The U. 25 W to 30 W and playing late in March or even April.

[BleedGopher]

Dameon2k, thanks for stopping by. It's always nice to get the perspective of a different fan base. I do have to laugh at this comment: "I could live with Tubby as our coach" - you mean you could "live with" a coach who has won 20 games 16 years in a row? Who will likely be a HOFer? Who has been to the Tourney 15 of the last 16 years?! And who can walk into any HS/AAU gym in the nation and is instantly recognizable by everyone?! If you proclaim yourself to be the rational set of the UVa fans, yet say merely that you could "live with" Tubby fricking Smith, well, I'd hate to see what the irrational fan set is like!

Good luck on the search - college coaching searches are always a wild wide and often don't lead to the type of outcome most expect. Two years ago when we had our search we barely said Tubby's name as it was beyond a pipe dream, let alone saying we could "live with" him, but alas, he's ours!

Go Gophers!!

[alltimetwinsfan]

Beyond everything else, here's the one reason why I'm not buying a move.

I can't get by the phone call to Sid and Dave last week. There was no reason for Tubby to call, unannounced, and just say he was happy here, and that they'd be here a long time. Any coach that is thinking about leaving would probably try and stay as far away from doing that as possible.

In my opinion, that's where the story should have ended; but it did not. Call that theory baseless...but it's no less substantive than anything the Virginia people have got. It's all "hopes" and "heards", but still no sources saying ANYTHING about what Tubby's side has to say about it.

[Plinnius]

Tubby came to Minnesota for a chance to BUILD (or rebuild, if U prefer) a high profile program. He wants to be on top, that's 4 sure.

You're gonna enjoy 2010-11-12 at The U. 25 W to 30 W and playing late in March or even April.

FOT, I know you don't think that he is going to, but in a hypothetical situation where Tubby did make the jump to Virginia, what would you think?

[Friend Of Tubby]

FOT, I know you don't think that he is going to, but in a hypothetical situation where Tubby did make the jump to Virginia, what would you think?

I'd be stunned.

[Section201]

Beyond everything else, here's the one reason why I'm not buying a move.

I can't get by the phone call to Sid and Dave last week. There was no reason for Tubby to call, unannounced, and just say he was happy here, and that they'd be here a long time. Any coach that is thinking about leaving would probably try and stay as far away from doing that as possible.

In my opinion, that's where the story should have ended; but it did not. Call that theory baseless...but it's no less substantive than anything the Virginia people have got. It's all "hopes" and "heards", but still no sources saying ANYTHING about what Tubby's side has to say about it.

Sources ??? !!! We dont need no stinkin' sources !!!

Some poster in his jammies, in his parents basement posted it on the dang intertubes !!! Not only that but like sentiments were posted on OTHER Rivals boards by other mysterious jammie-adorned dweebs. What more do we need, a Pulitzer Prize winning reporter, on like, an actual newspaper?

We is doomed !

Need I remind you of the Martian monkees atop Williams Arena ?

http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showpost.php?p=50045&postcount=14



:)

[alltimetwinsfan]

Need I remind you of the Martian monkees atop Williams Arena ?

Nope, I moved my fantasy baseball draft up to Noon tomorrow to accommodate. Remember?

;)

[calminnfan]

Just to clear things up not all of us UVA fans are delusional and if your getting information from certain outlets addressed here then your digging into what most UVA fans call the loony bin. However, to say the Virginia job isn't attractive or that it is a total impossibility that Tubby would come to UVA is crazy in today's sports world. Not to mention UVA is a hell of a lot more attractive than North Western.

Do I think Tubby will come to UVA? I think it is a possibility though personally I would rather have Sean Miller or Anthony Grant no disrespect to Minnesota or Tubby. I could live with Tubby as our coach but think it would be a better investment to get a young and up coming coach. Plus it would suck for any team in the NCAA to lose a coach that has helped them so much so soon. So on another personal note I hope you guys keep him 'cause I don't want to get the bad mojo from a "Tubby abandons Minnesota" deal. Plus it may be worth mentioning before our last coach Tubby wanted to come to UVA but wanted 3 mil a year and UVA's President/Boosters wouldn't go for it as they only wanted to shell out 1 mil a year. Hopefully our AD will be allowed to make his choice this time and the President will let him do his job.

Now to go back to Virginia being an attractive job I'll just post what my good friend DonGoUVA posted on another Gopher board. I think it makes a valid and respectable point. Other than that I wish you guys the best in the future you certainly have a promising squad of players that play with a lot of heart.

DonGoUVA said:

How quickly you guys forget your 9-22 season before Tubby arrived. Why would Tubby or "anyone" come to Minnesota to coach a 9-22 team? Tubby did!

The 8 years before Tubby, Minnesota had 4 losing records and lost 20 more games than UVA....nothing for either team to boast about. UVA had 2 losing seasons in that 8 years.

ACC is the ACC though.

ACC/Big Ten challenge.....The ACC leads the series 62-35. UVA is 5-4 and Minnesota is 4-6 overall in the challenges.

UVA has one of the finest and most up to date basketball facilities in the country with the new John Paul Jones Arena or haven't you heard?

When could go back and compare histories for 25 years (1974-1999), Terry Holland with a 326-173 UVA record, add Jeff Jones 474-277 total won-lost record over that span, 2 final 4's and a number of sweet 16's and 4 Elite 8'S. I believe only 4 losing seasons thru Holland/Jones Era.

I'm not knocking Minnesota......but before you disparge a school, don't look at just the last 2 years.

Remember before "Tubby" (9-22) and we were (10-18) which was our worst record in over 30 years. 10-18 is only slightly better than 9-22 but that was with the 4th or 5th best Strength of Schedule (SOS) in the country.

We also have "great fans", reasonable expectations, a beautiful state of the art basketball facility that includes everything....practice facilities (plural) and much more. With the right coach, our players will be very competitive next season.

And "Tubby" can recruit as well or better here. UVA is a good school, Minnesota is a good school.

I'm not saying he'll be our coach, but it is reasonable for us to want him as it is for you to want to keep him.

Just have your facts straight before you knock another school and by the way, we weren't last in the ACC, even with our worst season in over 30 years.

Sorry, I got up on my "soapbox", but UVA is a great school and Minnesota "ain't" so bad either.

And Tubby is a great coach!!!

Note: Not all this was directed towards this board but since everyone seems to be in awe of Tubby possibly considering UVA I found the facts interesting.


I agree that this is a reasonable post as well (though the "ain't" comment was a little underhanded." And I see your point about having a young up and coming coach for UVA whereas given the past dozen + years at MN dictated Tubby being the perfect coach to bring back MN to the top (minus recruiting irregularities that is). Part of the MN argument is that Tubby is perfect for MN at this time. He brings mature integrity to the school and the UofM needs more then a couple more years of his leadership to fully right the ship.

Also, Tubby is about half way there in bringing MN to national power status. He has a top 10 recruiting class coming in and a more seasoned group of players as well.

Along with that, there is no reason not to believe that Tubby and his wife are genuinely happy at MN.

Oh, and one more thing, contrary to your position the UVA is a great school compared to MN, which "ain't" bad, the UofM is no doormat to UVA. UVA may have had some glory years that they are trying to resurrect, but so does the U of M. Right now, the UofM is farther along then you at bringing them back with obvious indicators it is on the right track to do so. Tubby is the architect of that return and I just don't see him leaving before the job is finished, especially with the players coming in.

[Section201]

Nope, I moved my fantasy baseball draft up to Noon tomorrow to accommodate. Remember?

;)

In all the excitement of "the end of times", I forgot you adjusted your fantasy draft. Good move.

Pick your team wisely. If my sources are correct, it could be your fantasy roster for all eternity.

:)

[alltimetwinsfan]

In all the excitement of "the end of times", I forgot you adjusted your fantasy draft. Good move.

Pick your team wisely. If my sources are correct, it could be your fantasy roster for all eternity.

:)

This is a good point...I will be drafting Jamie Moyer in the first round, seeing that he seems to be made of teflon and should hold up for eternity.

On the other hand, if I get stuck with Ben flippin' Sheets again....

[Section201]

Here is the latest news flash from the Sabre:

Subject: Re: If it's Tubby, & the presser is Monday, logic dictates that TS would inform
Posted by: Captain Hoo on Sat Mar 28 2009 5:39:14 PM
Message:

The current rumor is that we almost had things wrapped yesterday and
had a contractual hang up last night. Our team is trying like hell to
hammer the two details out by tomorrow AM.
It's Tubby and the farm is on the table.

We need a few emails to Casteen that a Tubby hire makes sense.

Here is the link: http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/basketball/2009/March/28/1104934.php

The author is either delusional or just writing junk to yank the chain of the sabre-folk. This was almost worthy of a new thread.

Either way this guy gets this from me: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[NateDawgUM]

I wouldn't be surprised if he left, besides his stint at Kentucky, Tubby has been all over the place.

So hire Flip, and you have a twenty year solution. Most of the recruits will stick around and we will have plenty of talent to work with next season.

I'd rather have a coach who is a lifer, than a rolling stone.

[JDGopher]

I don't disagree with your implication the Flip would be a comparable coach to Tubby in terms of ability. But I wouldn't call Tubby a rolling stone. Most coaches have been to multiple stops, just like him.

Anyway, I had a thought a while ago and wanted some opinions. What's wrong with Billy G as coach of UVA? I don't think he's a bad coach, I'd actually suspect he's above average both as a coach and recruiter. He may not be able to handle the media all that well, but that's less of a factor at UVA.

Maybe they should back off of Tubby, and move onto names like Billy G.

[Rouser]

NateDawg and Art Vandelay appear to be long lost twins

[NateDawgUM]

NateDawg and Art Vandelay appear to be long lost twins

Wohoo, somebody else doesn't think Tubby is god. He's a great coach, but we have double digit losses the past two years and 0 NCAA tournament wins. I'm not gonna be bawling if he leaves.

[calminnfan]

Wohoo, somebody else doesn't think Tubby is god. He's a great coach, but we have double digit losses the past two years and 0 NCAA tournament wins. I'm not gonna be bawling if he leaves.

As Anton Ego said in Ratatouie "give me some perspective!"

[Friend Of Tubby]

Wohoo, somebody else doesn't think Tubby is god. He's a great coach, but we have double digit losses the past two years and 0 NCAA tournament wins. I'm not gonna be bawling if he leaves.

How'd those 10 years before (1988 thru 2007) go for Minnesota?

Oh.

[Friend Of Tubby]

Here is the latest news flash from the Sabre:

Subject: Re: If it's Tubby, & the presser is Monday, logic dictates that TS would inform
Posted by: Captain Hoo on Sat Mar 28 2009 5:39:14 PM
Message:

The current rumor is that we almost had things wrapped yesterday and
had a contractual hang up last night. Our team is trying like hell to
hammer the two details out by tomorrow AM.
It's Tubby and the farm is on the table.

We need a few emails to Casteen that a Tubby hire makes sense.

Here is the link: http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/basketball/2009/March/28/1104934.php

The author is either delusional or just writing junk to yank the chain of the sabre-folk. This was almost worthy of a new thread.

Either way this guy gets this from me: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Or both.

[Friend Of Tubby]

I don't disagree with your implication the Flip would be a comparable coach to Tubby in terms of ability. But I wouldn't call Tubby a rolling stone. Most coaches have been to multiple stops, just like him.

Anyway, I had a thought a while ago and wanted some opinions. What's wrong with Billy G as coach of UVA? I don't think he's a bad coach, I'd actually suspect he's above average both as a coach and recruiter. He may not be able to handle the media all that well, but that's less of a factor at UVA.

Maybe they should back off of Tubby, and move onto names like Billy G.

NateDawg is the biggest POS "fan" I've run across here (or any other Gopher website).

[GoAUpher]

Wohoo, somebody else doesn't think Tubby is god. He's a great coach, but we have double digit losses the past two years and 0 NCAA tournament wins. I'm not gonna be bawling if he leaves.

Yikes...I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul. A little tip, huffing glue before you post is not the way to go.

[Jim V2]

NateDawg is the biggest POS "fan" I've run across here (or any other Gopher website).

What???


I COMPLETELY disagree with Nate on this. I'm thrilled that Tubby's here, and I think he is far too proud of his integrity to throw it away by leaving for UVa after publicly saying he wasn't.

But Nate's been on this board on long time, has posted tons of insightful, interesting stuff, and loves the gophs as much as ANYONE. FOT, you're no gopher fan, and you've been here only as long as Tubby. As usual, you have lots of stats, but no logical reasoning ability, and unmitigated arrogance/stupidity to be trying to tell us who is and isn't a fan. You have some interesting insights to go along with all the banal tripe you post, and I'm glad you're here, but you've got an incredibly long way to go to earn the stripes that Nate has.

[MNSnowman]

I COMPLETELY disagree with Nate on this. I'm thrilled that Tubby's here, and I think he is far too proud of his integrity to throw it away by leaving for UVa after publicly saying he wasn't.

But Nate's been on this board on long time, has posted tons of insightful, interesting stuff, and loves the gophs as much as ANYONE. FOT, you're no gopher fan, and you've been here only as long as Tubby. As usual, you have lots of stats, but no logical reasoning ability, and unmitigated arrogance/stupidity to be trying to tell us who is and isn't a fan. You have some interesting insights to go along with all the banal tripe you post, and I'm glad you're here, but you've got an incredibly long way to go to earn the stripes that Nate has.I'll give you an "AMEN" to that post, Jim. It's not the end of the world for somebody to have an opposite viewpoint of Tubby's value here -- just a bit strange ;)

FoT, I understand you and Nate don't get along; however, Nate's been a long-time contributor while you're a "Friend-come-lately" and a one-sport (and one-coach) Gopher fan at best.

[NateDawgUM]

I'm a Minnesota fan, not a Tubby fan. Hell, half the fun of Tubby leaving would be to get rid of you.

Tubby is a great coach, if he leaves after two years, with two middle of the road Big Ten finishes and one NCAA tournament bid, excuse me if I'm not a huge wreck.

[Section201]

Wohoo, somebody else doesn't think Tubby is god. He's a great coach, but we have double digit losses the past two years and 0 NCAA tournament wins. I'm not gonna be bawling if he leaves.

Good grief. Yes, Tubby is not God.

Tubby is the best U of M hire since Murray Warmath. If not for Tubby, who would be wearing Golden Gopher jerseys next November? Would any of our 2008 or 2009 recruits be a Gopher if not for Tubby? They came here because of Tubby.

Would someone else have gotten 20 plus wins from Monson recruits? Losing Tubby would be a very bad thing, even with Flip in the wings.

[akgopher]

The sun will still rise when Tubby leaves or retires. Rick Majerus was begging for the job, Flip Saunders would cherish the opportunity, Vince Taylor would do a well here if promoted, and we could get a top young guy like Tony Bennett. I believe Tubby will give the U a minimum of 5 years before he rides off.

[GortonsFisherman011]

The sun will still rise when Tubby leaves or retires. Flip Saunders would cherish the opportunity, Vince Taylor would do a well here if promoted, I would cherish Flip and/or Vince.

[monk10]

NateDawg is the biggest POS "fan" I've run across here (or any other Gopher website).

This kind of posting might have been acceptable in Kentucky, but we expect some more class in these parts.

I sure hope you have some.

[ChemEGopher]

Go away FoT. We have all the stats you provide saved in the archives. You're of no use to us any more.

[Plinnius]

I would cherish Flip and/or Vince.

Vince, maybe. Flip, yuck.

[ShowinGoldyLove]

Vince, maybe. Flip, yuck.
You really don't think Flip would be a phenomenal coach and fit for the U?

[cncmin]

Vince, maybe. Flip, yuck.

What would be wrong with Flip?? He knows offense, and has a track record of coaching good teams. Also, his NBA experience would likely help in the recruiting battle, as no doubt Flip has tons of NBA connections for those blue-chip players to consider.

Overall, IF Tubby leaves, Flip has got to get the first phone call. That said, I still can't see why Tubby would ever want to leave unless he really feels too far from home. Besides, those VA people are obnoxious as hell. Just look at their message board. They're the best at everything. They're far worse than Wisconsin people, which should say a lot.

I guess from Tubby's point of view, at least they wouldn't be Kentucky basketball people; yet still, it would amaze me that a man of Tubby's seemingly humble stature would want to go to a place full of uppity elitists. If he wanted to do that he should just go coach somewhere in NYC.

[Plinnius]

You really don't think Flip would be a phenomenal coach and fit for the U?

No, why should I? What has he ever done?

[cncmin]

No, why should I? What has he ever done?

Lol. Let's see, he led the Minnesota Timberwolves to by far their best records in their history. He led the Detroit Pistons deep into the playoffs many times. He is a UofM alum and staunch supporter with big UofM connections. He also seems like a good guy.

He can coach, the only questions are can he recruit, and would the transition from coaching a bunch of pampered babies in the NBA to the college game where kids actually have to make an effort be too much of a transtion?

[ShowinGoldyLove]

No, why should I? What has he ever done?
1. Was a former U of M star, and a very smart basketball player
2. Coached an average Golden Valley Lutheran College to a 92-13 record, including 56-0 at home
3. 7 consecutive 30+ win seasons in the CBA (only 50-game season in CBA), including 2 CoY awards, and 2 CBA championships
4. Phenomenal NBA coach (especially with the X's and O's), leading the Timberwolves to their first playoff run, including a number of conference finals for both the TWolves and the Pistons.
5. Many current ties to the NBA, probably more so than any college coach. This alone would be HUGE for recruiting the top HS talent in the country looking for an "in" to the NBA. There are very few NBA coaches that go back to coach college...we could be so lucky (Pitino is only other one I can name, and he's quite a coach).
6. Local guy. Knows the high schools, knows the U (and its boosters), and knows the state.

I can't think of a better fit than Flip.

[Big Play]

I agree FLIP would be a great hire.

[GortonsFisherman011]

Mentioned this in another thread, but I saw Flip on campus walking around Mariucci on Wednesday. Obviously has an interest in the school.

[MRJ]

Just for the pure entertainment of it all, I perused the Virginia boards a little this afternoon and apparently, one of their higher ups recently flew his private jet to Louisiana, presumably to speak with LSU coach Trent Johnson.

If this is true, Virginia might be turning their interest toward Trent Johnson.

In other irrevalent news, Ratcliffe also won't let the Tubby thing go. He's still convinced Tubby is all but a Cavalier despite a clear lack of any inside sources. He's quoted other coaches, namely Barnes and the aforementioned Johnson, as his clearest sources that Tubby is coming because Virginia can meet what they say a coach needs to win :rolleyes:....Talk about a reach....

Meanwhile back in the land of the reasonable, Tubby and his staff are unofficially hosting a 2011 recruit on campus.

[Mikie S]

Was it only last year that a Flip coached Detroit team was 59-23 (.720)?

This year's Pistons are now 35-37 (.486).




And do I have to tell anyone how the local NBA pretender has done since they fired the Flipper?

[Plinnius]

Lol. Let's see, he led the Minnesota Timberwolves to by far their best records in their history.

With NBA great and future Hall of Famer Kevin Garnett.


led the Detroit Pistons deep into the playoffs many times.

With talent that had already won an NBA championship.

[Plinnius]

Was it only last year that a Flip coached Detroit team was 59-23 (.720)?

This year's Pistons are now 35-37 (.486).

That's what happens when you trade Chauncey Billups for Allen Iverson.

[Friend Of Tubby]

You really don't think Flip would be a phenomenal coach and fit for the U?

I think Flip Saunders is a darn good coach, period.

[Friend Of Tubby]

Mentioned this in another thread, but I saw Flip on campus walking around Mariucci on Wednesday. Obviously has an interest in the school.

Flip Saunders has been around the basketball program, too. His son was Grad Assistant, of course.

[maroonfive]

keep posting and posting so this thread gets full and is closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go Gophers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jike Spingleton]

keep posting and posting so this thread gets full and is closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Threads can become full?

[Section201]

keep posting and posting so this thread gets full and is closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go Gophers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is there a size limit?

[Plinnius]

I think Flip Saunders is a darn good coach, period.

Can he recruit? Can he identify talent? Can he develop talent? College coaches have a far more expansive role in the success and failure of their team than NBA coaches.

[inflectionpoint]

Just for the pure entertainment of it all, I perused the Virginia boards a little this afternoon and apparently, one of their higher ups recently flew his private jet to Louisiana, presumably to speak with LSU coach Trent Johnson.

If this is true, Virginia might be turning their interest toward Trent Johnson.

In other irrevalent news, Ratcliffe also won't let the Tubby thing go. He's still convinced Tubby is all but a Cavalier despite a clear lack of any inside sources. He's quoted other coaches, namely Barnes and the aforementioned Johnson, as his clearest sources that Tubby is coming because Virginia can meet what they say a coach needs to win :rolleyes:....Talk about a reach....

Meanwhile back in the land of the reasonable, Tubby and his staff are unofficially hosting a 2011 recruit on campus.

Well for the first time I'm worried... I'm not here to make stuff up either but a combo of people that have worked with the wolves org, played on the Gopher Football squad and is generally connected in the realm of sports and The U... have said they think he's gone. While I'm still confident he'll stay, the inside nature of this info as well as the corresponding info on both sides of the deal have me quite worried.

Not here to drum up drama, thought I'd pass it along, unfortunate as it could be.

[Friend Of Tubby]

Can he recruit? Can he identify talent? Can he develop talent? College coaches have a far more expansive role in the success and failure of their team than NBA coaches.

Yes (at Minnesota). Yes. Yes.

[MRJ]

Just to continue the Flip discussion, I was speaking with Kansas fans at the NCAA Regional games last weekend and they basically intimated that it was their belief that if Flip did one day become coach of the Gophers, the rest of the country would be officially on notice.

They went on to say that he would likely build the Gophers into a top-notch powerhouse. They based this on his extensive NBA success, saying that he would be able to recruit nationally like a champ and that we'd all of the sudden have one heckuva of a run with him at the helm.

Again, these are Kansas fans speaking. But I get the impression that if Flip were hired one day, the rest of the country would really take notice.

[MRJ]

Well for the first time I'm worried... I'm not here to make stuff up either but a combo of people that have worked with the wolves org, played on the Gopher Football squad and is generally connected in the realm of sports and The U... have said they think he's gone. While I'm still confident he'll stay, the inside nature of this info as well as the corresponding info on both sides of the deal have me quite worried.

Not here to drum up drama, thought I'd pass it along, unfortunate as it could be.

Just to clarify, which one is it. Are you worried or confident?? Hard to tell from what you just said.

[Plinnius]

Yes (at Minnesota). Yes. Yes.

And you base all of that on what?

[97alumni]

Just to continue the Flip discussion, I was speaking with Kansas fans at the NCAA Regional games last weekend and they basically intimated that it was their belief that if Flip did one day become coach of the Gophers, the rest of the country would be officially on notice.

They went on to say that he would likely build the Gophers into a top-notch powerhouse. They based this on his extensive NBA success, saying that he would be able to recruit nationally like a champ and that we'd all of the sudden have one heckuva of a run with him at the helm.

Again, these are Kansas fans speaking. But I get the impression that if Flip were hired one day, the rest of the country would really take notice.

AND he has said since he left the Pistons that coaching the Gophers would be his dream job for the rest of his career. That would be nice to have in this day and age of college coaching.

[Section201]

Well for the first time I'm worried... I'm not here to make stuff up either but a combo of people that have worked with the wolves org, played on the Gopher Football squad and is generally connected in the realm of sports and The U... have said they think he's gone. While I'm still confident he'll stay, the inside nature of this info as well as the corresponding info on both sides of the deal have me quite worried.

Not here to drum up drama, thought I'd pass it along, unfortunate as it could be.

Too funny. I just checked and Martian Monkees have not landed atop Williams Arena and Tubby is still our coach. Good to see the silliness of indisputable sourcing doesnt affect your prose.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

:) :) :)

[MRJ]

AND he has said since he left the Pistons that coaching the Gophers would be his dream job for the rest of his career. That would be nice to have in this day and age of college coaching.

Actually, I was kind of surprised the U didn't make a stronger run at him before Smith was hired. He might have still been with the Pistons at that time, I can't fully recall.

At the time, Flip was my "dream hire." I literally spit my beverage out when I found out that it was Tubby. Certainly, Flip is almost as big of a name as Tubby in basketball circles, but I didn't even consider Tubby a candidate at the time (as most people didn't).

[akgopher]

I'd imagine Flip could convince Taylor to stick around as his recruiting guru.

I've always pictured Lawrence Frank moving to the collegiate level. I think he'd do well at that level.

[97alumni]

Actually, I was kind of surprised the U didn't make a stronger run at him before Smith was hired. He might have still been with the Pistons at that time, I can't fully recall.

At the time, Flip was my "dream hire." I literally spit my beverage out when I found out that it was Tubby. Certainly, Flip is almost as big of a name as Tubby in basketball circles, but I didn't even consider Tubby a candidate at the time (as most people didn't).

From what I remember the Pistons were still playing and he couldn't or didn't want to negotiate during the season. I do believe if Tubby had not shown interest - Flip would be our coach today.

I was at work when I found out about Tubby - I actually screamed and jumped up. I called my Dad and he didn't believe me until he logged on. Tubby was the surprise hire of a lifetime.

[GoldenGo4Fan]

Well for the first time I'm worried... I'm not here to make stuff up either but a combo of people that have worked with the wolves org, played on the Gopher Football squad and is generally connected in the realm of sports and The U... have said they think he's gone. While I'm still confident he'll stay, the inside nature of this info as well as the corresponding info on both sides of the deal have me quite worried.

Not here to drum up drama, thought I'd pass it along, unfortunate as it could be.

Well I went to the U. Had FB, BB ,and Hockey tickets, as well as a friends on the track & golf teams. I also lived down the hall from the basketball team and I think he is staying in MN.

[JohnnyGopher]

When it comes to coaching hires, I've learned that it's best to just keep your mouth shut and wait for the hire to happen. There have been so many rumors the past week on Tubby and Virginia that I have no idea what to believe anymore. One minute I hear something and am convinced that this is a made up story by some wishful thinking and uninformed Virginia writers and fans, and then all of a sudden there is a twist and someonw you trust has some news that makes it look like he is all but gone.

All I can say is that he isn't acting like a coach who is leaving and if he is leaving, he has done an amazing job of hiding it from several of his assistants. Minnesota coaches spent alot of time this weekend watching underclassmen like Alipate, Krueser, Singleton, and Brown at the state tournament and today hosted Joe Hanstad, a sophomore, not the behavior of a coach about to leave.

[Friend Of Tubby]

And you base all of that on what?

His career. He recruited AT THE U in early to mid 1980's.

He developed talent there as well as at JuCo and pro levels.

[Friend Of Tubby]

When it comes to coaching hires, I've learned that it's best to just keep your mouth shut and wait for the hire to happen. There have been so many rumors the past week on Tubby and Virginia that I have no idea what to believe anymore. One minute I hear something and am convinced that this is a made up story by some wishful thinking and uninformed Virginia writers and fans, and then all of a sudden there is a twist and someonw you trust has some news that makes it look like he is all but gone.

All I can say is that he isn't acting like a coach who is leaving and if he is leaving, he has done an amazing job of hiding it from several of his assistants. Minnesota coaches spent alot of time this weekend watching underclassmen like Alipate, Krueser, Singleton, and Brown at the state tournament and today hosted Joe Hanstad, a sophomore, not the behavior of a coach about to leave.

I can almost bet one of his assistants (Saul) would know if his Dad is leaving The U.

Tubby isn't leaving.

[inflectionpoint]

Too funny. I just checked and Martian Monkees have not landed atop Williams Arena and Tubby is still our coach. Good to see the silliness of indisputable sourcing doesnt affect your prose.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

:) :) :)

Like I said I remain skeptical, but when a 60 year old very successful Gopher and respected individual passes that info on, I'm going to listen. I'm not saying its indisputable and up until hearing this info it was all drama to me. I guess this was the quintessential "when it becomes personal". Combine that info with the non-stop chatter from UVa and I've become a little worried.

Hopefully for naught. Thanks 201.

[MRJ]

When it comes to coaching hires, I've learned that it's best to just keep your mouth shut and wait for the hire to happen. There have been so many rumors the past week on Tubby and Virginia that I have no idea what to believe anymore. One minute I hear something and am convinced that this is a made up story by some wishful thinking and uninformed Virginia writers and fans, and then all of a sudden there is a twist and someonw you trust has some news that makes it look like he is all but gone.

All I can say is that he isn't acting like a coach who is leaving and if he is leaving, he has done an amazing job of hiding it from several of his assistants. Minnesota coaches spent alot of time this weekend watching underclassmen like Alipate, Krueser, Singleton, and Brown at the state tournament and today hosted Joe Hanstad, a sophomore, not the behavior of a coach about to leave.

I'm with you 100 percent Johnny. If it turns out to be true that he's considering Virginia (and to hear them tell it, he is), he's done a remarkable job of snowballing here. I for one don't happen to think he's going anywhere other to find more recruits (which is apparently what he's been doing for more than a week now). I can't fathom a reason Jirsa would invite Hanstad to campus if the head man is on the verge of signing a contract with Virginia. That sounds like total nonsense to me. On top of that, he went to see Cobbs in California and watched Royce play throughout the state tournament. Again, not the behavior of somebody who is negotiating a contract with another school.

But hey, it's sports. Nonsense often applies.

[Section201]

Like I said I remain skeptical, but when a 60 year old very successful Gopher and respected individual passes that info on, I'm going to listen. I'm not saying its indisputable and up until hearing this info it was all drama to me. I guess this was the quintessential "when it becomes personal". Combine that info with the non-stop chatter from UVa and I've become a little worried.

Hopefully for naught. Thanks 201.

This is the price we pay (along with all that real cash) for having a great coach that most other d1 schools would love to have. We certainly cant blame the UV fans for wanting Tubby. They arent as dumb as the UK fans were.

Anything is possible in the college hoops coaching world but I just dont see it happening with Tubby now. All "signs" indicate and what Tubby has actually said indicates he is staying. Until Tubby says otherwise, Tubby is the coach of the Golden Gophers.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
:)

[Friend Of Tubby]

Like I said I remain skeptical, but when a 60 year old very successful Gopher and respected individual passes that info on, I'm going to listen. I'm not saying its indisputable and up until hearing this info it was all drama to me. I guess this was the quintessential "when it becomes personal". Combine that info with the non-stop chatter from UVa and I've become a little worried.

Hopefully for naught. Thanks 201.

I sent your rumor to AD. I'm not buying it.

[leftyslefty]

why would this guy know more than the assistant coaches? He's just a part of the paranoia crowd, who doesn't want to be shocked if the worst happends.

When you examine the evidence, there are no good signs that we are losing our coach.

[DonGoUVA]

I agree that this is a reasonable post as well (though the "ain't" comment was a little underhanded." And I see your point about having a young up and coming coach for UVA whereas given the past dozen + years at MN dictated Tubby being the perfect coach to bring back MN to the top (minus recruiting irregularities that is). Part of the MN argument is that Tubby is perfect for MN at this time. He brings mature integrity to the school and the UofM needs more then a couple more years of his leadership to fully right the ship.

Also, Tubby is about half way there in bringing MN to national power status. He has a top 10 recruiting class coming in and a more seasoned group of players as well.

Along with that, there is no reason not to believe that Tubby and his wife are genuinely happy at MN.

Oh, and one more thing, contrary to your position the UVA is a great school compared to MN, which "ain't" bad, the UofM is no doormat to UVA. UVA may have had some glory years that they are trying to resurrect, but so does the U of M. Right now, the UofM is farther along then you at bringing them back with obvious indicators it is on the right track to do so. Tubby is the architect of that return and I just don't see him leaving before the job is finished, especially with the players coming in.


My "ain't" comment was not meant to be "underhanded". It was more "a tongue in cheek" comment and should have included a smiley face with a wink. I do not believe in saying bad things about another school. The pride in each of our schools should be respected, notice my other comment earlier in my remarks, "Virginia is a good school, Minnesota is a good school". If you read all my posts on HooNation, you would not see me disparaging any other schools. I was only responding to what I considered unreasonably critical comments on another Minnesota site about UVA that were not based on facts and the BB history of our school.

You feel Tubby is the perfect fit for Minnesota and we at UVA feel that Tubby is the perfect fit for us and could do wonders for our program. I feel very few, if any coach, could turn UVA basketball around as rapidly as Tubby could. He is capable, I believe, of taking Virginia back to the successes we enjoyed in the Terry Holland "era" and possibly beyond. UVA has all the tools in place for the right coach.

We can all agree on one thing, "Tubby is a great coach".

[94Gopher]

Here is my question -- when Tubby isn't name the Virginia head coach tomorrow, can we stop with all the speculation? Or will it be.... "hmmm.... I meant NEXT Monday."

[Section201]

"We can all agree on one thing, "Tubby is a great coach". "

Yup, we agree.

Best of luck getting a great coach, but not Tubby. :)

I am sure you understand our point of view.

[feich101]

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/9395180/The-Daily-Progress,-Charlottesville,-Va.,-Jerry-Ratcliffe-column:-Recruiting-will-be-big-for-Cavs'-new-coach-

[Friend Of Tubby]

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/9395180/The-Daily-Progress,-Charlottesville,-Va.,-Jerry-Ratcliffe-column:-Recruiting-will-be-big-for-Cavs'-new-coach-

Thanks for piling on the trash. This has already been posted and discussed here.

[Friend Of Tubby]

I sent your rumor to AD. I'm not buying it.

He replied, "I don't think so."

I've come to know his style over the past 2 years. Translation = not going.

[GortonsFisherman011]

Here is my question -- when Tubby isn't name the Virginia head coach tomorrow, can we stop with all the speculation? Or will it be.... "hmmm.... I meant NEXT Monday."

Until they have a new head coach. That is, until the next job becomes open at at least a mid-major school.

[ColNathanJessup]

I can almost bet one of his assistants (Saul) would know if his Dad is leaving The U.

Tubby isn't leaving.

Funny you should say. Saul was the only ass't that I didn't see all weekend at the state tourney. Jirsa....check. Taylor....check. Esposito...check. Tubby...check. Saul....?

I don't know what to believe anymore but I didn't think about this until you mentioned it. Coincidence? (or maybe he was around and I just didn't see him)

[JohnnyGopher]

Funny, i was just reading the Sabre, or attempting to read that board, and saw a person claim that Tubby met with UVA AD today and accepted the job.

Thats pretty interesting considering he was at the U hosting a recruit most of the afternoon.

[DonGoUVA]

I've never seen a more confusing board layout in my life. The majority of people just post one liners in the subject and that's it, it's hard to read and follow and it's incredibly outdated. Not to mention the majority of their fans are irrational.

Go Gophers!!

If you are talking about the board I think you are, I can't disagree. The best board is Scout.com/HooNation. That's the one I'm part of and most of the comments are reasonable and make sense. A great group of devoted UVA fans.

There are also some other good UVA sites just as there are good Minnesota sites.

The "other site", I believe you are talking about....which I will not name can be confusing and even at times give you a headache to try to follow. A lot of crazy comments....but I guess a lot of UVA fans, probably current students just having "fun". But, then again, at times some pretty good posts can be found. Don't judge "the majority of" UVA fans as being "irrational" by one site. Scout.com/HooNation are dedicated UVA fans, but certainly not "irrational". Most comments are very good, with explanations of their opinions.

Thanks for listening. And visit HooNation sometime. We both have great pride in our schools and want nothing but the best for our programs.

[GoldenGo4Fan]

Funny, i was just reading the Sabre, or attempting to read that board, and saw a person claim that Tubby met with UVA AD today and accepted the job.

Thats pretty interesting considering he was at the U hosting a recruit most of the afternoon.

I almost decided to sign up to share that news, but didn't figure it was worth it. They are going to take the non-Tubby hire hard enough.

[akgopher]

I sent your rumor to AD. I'm not buying it.

who is AD?

[ChemEGopher]

You'd think that if FoT was an actual friend of Coach Smith's he'd just be able to call him up and ask Tubby what the deal is.

[GortonsFisherman011]

You'd think that if FoT was an actual friend of Coach Smith's he'd just be able to call him up and ask Tubby what the deal is.

Gotta disagree with you there, Chem. A real friend wouldn't pressure his friend for information regarding his career, and even if he did know, a good friend wouldn't tell his friend's business until his friend chooses to announce it.

[GopherLady]

Funny you should say. Saul was the only ass't that I didn't see all weekend at the state tourney. Jirsa....check. Taylor....check. Esposito...check. Tubby...check. Saul....?

I don't know what to believe anymore but I didn't think about this until you mentioned it. Coincidence? (or maybe he was around and I just didn't see him)

Actually, I believe he was there on both Thursday and Friday.

[Friend Of Tubby]

Funny you should say. Saul was the only ass't that I didn't see all weekend at the state tourney. Jirsa....check. Taylor....check. Esposito...check. Tubby...check. Saul....?

I don't know what to believe anymore but I didn't think about this until you mentioned it. Coincidence? (or maybe he was around and I just didn't see him)

Then I'm sure you know ONLY 3 COACHES can recruit at one time per NCAA rules.

Tubby = 1. Jirsa = 2. Taylor = 3.

Sounds like the Gophers were in compliance.

[Friend Of Tubby]

who is AD?

You know who the AD is.

[Friend Of Tubby]

You'd think that if FoT was an actual friend of Coach Smith's he'd just be able to call him up and ask Tubby what the deal is.

Anytime, anyplace, anywhere, pal.

[Friend Of Tubby]

Gotta disagree with you there, Chem. A real friend wouldn't pressure his friend for information regarding his career, and even if he did know, a good friend wouldn't tell his friend's business until his friend chooses to announce it.

Appreciate that but ChemE and NateDawg (and their ilk) are few and far between among Gopher fans. Every fanbase has a few. The Gophers don't have many at all.

[MNSnowman]

Anytime, anyplace, anywhere, pal.Good Lord ... you make it sound like the two of you are gonna settle it on the playground. Pretty tough talk ... thank goodness for an anonymous Internet board ..... :cool02:

[Go4]

I just wish Tubby would have put it to rest when Myron approached him.

[Stan]

This guy says it's a 40% chance that Tubby goes to UVa

http://wkav.com/pages/3796808.php?itmBlogDomainUrl=http://the5thquarter.itmblog.com/2009/03/29/endgame-how-it-unfolds-including-a-new-name/

[Go4]

I don't know where that gets those percentages from other than just pure speculation.

[Stan]

I just wish Tubby would have put an end to this when he talked to Myron. He purposefully chose not to put an end to it for one reason or another. Either he's leaving or is just leveraging the rumors for something from Joel, but either way it will keep the story alive.

[SelectionSunday]

Contrary to what's being reported in the media, what I'm hearing is Donna absolutely is not happy in Minnesota. She tends to be the opposite of her husband. She likes attention & it seems the fact that as Minnesotans we tend to be laid back (for the most part we leave her alone, she's not in the limelight) may not be a good thing. Tubby likes it here. ... Donna, maybe not so much.

Big career decisions like this involve the input of both spouses. My gut feeling is Tubby is going to stay for a little while but the fact that Donna's not all that enamored with Minnesota, that's what concerns me.

[Stan]

Contrary to what's being reported in the media, what I'm hearing is Donna absolutely is not happy in Minnesota. She tends to be the opposite of her husband. She likes attention & it seems the fact that as Minnesotans we tend to be laid back (for the most part we leave her alone, she's not in the limelight) may not be a good thing. Tubby likes it here. ... Donna, maybe not so much.

Big career decisions like this involve the input of both spouses. My gut feeling is Tubby is going to stay for a little while but the fact that Donna's not all that enamored with Minnesota, that's what concerns me.

I imagine that Tubby's professional desires have driven many of the Smith's moves, and at some point, Donna's needs will be met. If is not happy like SS says, maybe this is the time where she drives the decision.

[Go4]

I imagine that Tubby's professional desires have driven many of the Smith's moves, and at some point, Donna's needs will be met. If is not happy like SS says, maybe this is the time where she drives the decision.

If you watch her during the games, you can almost see the frustration on her face at how quiet our fan base is. She is used to fans actually on their feet and screaming during games. At the Barn, more fans scream at each other to sit down than they do Joe Krabbenhoft for being a goon.

[SelectionSunday]

FOT, you of all people shouldn't be questioning Nate's loyalty to the Gophers. He's loyal to the Gophers, you're loyal to the coach. There's a huge difference. As others have said, if the day comes Tubby decides to leave Minnesota for another head coaching job (to be clear, I hope that doesn't happen anytime soon), you'll disappear & move on to your next "favorite team."

[Blizzard]

She is used to fans actually on their feet and screaming during games.

Not at Kentucky she wasn't. Major complaint of their fan base, much like ours, is that too many fans sit on their hands.

[TheDinkytowner]

Contrary to what's being reported in the media, what I'm hearing is Donna absolutely is not happy in Minnesota. She tends to be the opposite of her husband. She likes attention & it seems the fact that as Minnesotans we tend to be laid back (for the most part we leave her alone, she's not in the limelight) may not be a good thing.

What you're hearing runs counter to what Donna has said publicly.

"I love his job not being on the front page every day," she said. "You don't understand how positive that it is. And I'm really glad people don't know who I am yet. You can be more regular here, just blend in." http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/31145264.html?page=2&c=y

[MRJ]

Contrary to what's being reported in the media, what I'm hearing is Donna absolutely is not happy in Minnesota. She tends to be the opposite of her husband. She likes attention & it seems the fact that as Minnesotans we tend to be laid back (for the most part we leave her alone, she's not in the limelight) may not be a good thing. Tubby likes it here. ... Donna, maybe not so much.

Big career decisions like this involve the input of both spouses. My gut feeling is Tubby is going to stay for a little while but the fact that Donna's not all that enamored with Minnesota, that's what concerns me.

If this is true, then maybe they should move on. If Donna is really that much of an attention hound, then I would say she should go somewhere where every time they appear in public, a huge fuss is made about it.

Don't like people who have the whole "look at me because I'm important" vibe to them. And if that's what Donna and Tubby want, then move on.

[SelectionSunday]

I don't believe every quote I read. I'm not buying it. In this case I think it's coach(wife's)speak.

[TheDinkytowner]

I don't believe every quote I read. I'm not buying it. In this case I think it's coach(wife's)speak.

That's fine, but I don't necessarily believe what "you've heard" either.

[Holy Man]

SS, that quote was also from the beginning of the season (I think), an eternity in the sporting world. This whole thing is a mess, and won't be settled until both VA and AZ are decided. It sounds like the interim guy at AZ thinks he is out there, and that start a whole wave of new speculation. Ugh!

[SelectionSunday]

I feel your pain, Holy Man. I'm going to feel uneasy until those two jobs are filled. And who knows what dominos will take place once Kentucky makes its hire?

I just keep reminding myself, I'm thankful we have a coach other schools want. It beats the alternative we had previously.

[GophersInIowa]

I don't know where that gets those percentages from other than just pure speculation.

Don't you know that 42.7% of all statistics are made up right on the spot?

[Maximus]

Contrary to what's being reported in the media, what I'm hearing is Donna absolutely is not happy in Minnesota. She tends to be the opposite of her husband. She likes attention & it seems the fact that as Minnesotans we tend to be laid back (for the most part we leave her alone, she's not in the limelight) may not be a good thing. Tubby likes it here. ... Donna, maybe not so much.


Next time you talk to her, ask her if she's been to the Mall of America.

[NateDawgUM]

Appreciate that but ChemE and NateDawg (and their ilk) are few and far between among Gopher fans. Every fanbase has a few. The Gophers don't have many at all.

I'm only an ass to you buddy. I see past your crap while the others enjoy you because you lead them to believe that Tubby is a saviour. He's a basketball coach, and a good one, but I'm a Minnesota fan and I know that a program goes far beyond any one person.

You showed up to the Minnesota-Northwestern game two years ago decked out in Kentucky stuff. If a "friend of Nate" showed up at my new job wearing clothes from my own job, I would think that was sort of weird. Don't you?

Then this year, you waddled out of the game early because the Gophers weren't going to win. Us real fans stuck around until the end.

As you can probably tell, people around here don't have a problem with me, because they're all true Minnesota fans. You're a Tubby fan, so you don't belong.

[calminnfan]

Though I agree the program is bigger then any one person, at the same time it is pretty apparent that you need the right people steering the program. At this time, I don't think there is a much better person for it then Tubby!

As for his wife's liking attention, given the way MN fawns over Tubby, and her basically, how could she not like that. I still remember the intro in the barn in front of the UofM. I don't know if it could get any better then that!

BTW - Wasn't Virginia suppose to have a press conference today introducing Tubby?

[GopherLady]

Contrary to what's being reported in the media, what I'm hearing is Donna absolutely is not happy in Minnesota. She tends to be the opposite of her husband. She likes attention & it seems the fact that as Minnesotans we tend to be laid back (for the most part we leave her alone, she's not in the limelight) may not be a good thing. Tubby likes it here. ... Donna, maybe not so much.


I completely trust this is what you're hearing from your sources, SS - and they could be more reliable than what I've hearing about her liking it here.

The one thing I would question is that she likes the limelight. A perfect example was, we had a good request from a poster (I want to say it was Dr. Don) to interview Donna, she she is a very dynamic person. I was told through the bball office, that she's just so private and doesn't do interviews. Since I don't like "no" for an answer, I decided to talk to her myself at the Iowa game. She was extremely gracious and kind, but she just didn't really want to be the center of attention, and respectfully declined. Even though she would of been able to dictate what was talked about, and she would of, of course, come off very positive, she just wasn't about that.

It's a little thing, but I don't know how much she does like the limelight.

[SelectionSunday]

"Next time you talk to her, ask her if she's been to the Mall of America."

Maximus, no, I haven't spoken with Donna, but because quite often stuff on these message boards can be misinterpreted, can you explain what you meant about the MOA? I'm feeling a little brain dead today and not getting your drift.

[ChemEGopher]

Gotta disagree with you there, Chem. A real friend wouldn't pressure his friend for information regarding his career, and even if he did know, a good friend wouldn't tell his friend's business until his friend chooses to announce it.

I agree completely. I wouldn't actually expect a real friend of Coach Smith's to come here and tell us what is going on with Tubby. My post was supposed to sarcastic.

Seriously though, would a real friend even contribute to speculation on a message board about their friend's future career moves? No chance! People tolerate FOT because he says Tubby is staying and that's what we all want to hear. If it was the other way around, and he was suggesting that Tubby is going to leave, 90% of the board would be calling for his head for speculating about his friend's intentions.

[Go Gophs]

Well, it is not looking good. Sounds like Virginia hired someone already. Let's hope it is not the Tubbster, I will be crying like 2 year old if he leaves.

[Stan]

I wish Tubby would have put an end to it when he talked to Myron.

[ShowinGoldyLove]

I wish Tubby would have put an end to it when he talked to Myron.
Or he wanted to cover his bases and not sound like a "demon" when he announces that he is leaving...

[Friend Of Tubby]

I agree completely. I wouldn't actually expect a real friend of Coach Smith's to come here and tell us what is going on with Tubby. My post was supposed to sarcastic.

Seriously though, would a real friend even contribute to speculation on a message board about their friend's future career moves? No chance! People tolerate FOT because he says Tubby is staying and that's what we all want to hear. If it was the other way around, and he was suggesting that Tubby is going to leave, 90% of the board would be calling for his head for speculating about his friend's intentions.

I've had E-Mail correspondence with 2 people who would ABSOLUTELY know if he's leaving. Neither thinks he is (leaving).

You may think whatever you want.

[boner4goldy]

I've had E-Mail correspondence with 2 people who would ABSOLUTELY know if he's leaving. Neither thinks he is (leaving).

You may think whatever you want.

why dont you just call him up and ask him?

[Friend Of Tubby]

why dont you just call him up and ask him?

That would be pretty rude, don't you think?

Not that some Gopher Holers mind being rude.

[GoldenGo4Fan]

How "in the know" is Henry Lake to Gopher BB? He was on KFAN today and said matter of fact like that Tubby isn't going to a place like VA or AL. If he was going somewhere it would be to a place like AZ.

[bigtenchamps1899]

unlike most of you i am loving this! i haven't read anything this fun in a long time. its like a greek tragedy.

what about the soon-to-be memphis opening? is donna a fan of blues?

[Section201]

this thread is now over 14000 views ! Full house at "Willum' Arena" !!!

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[calminnfan]

That would be pretty rude, don't you think?

Not that some Gopher Holers mind being rude.

It is a whole lot less rude than a few dozen people posting their opinions as to whether he will leave or not, though I do agree it is not in the average fans position to ask him. Right now that is for his family, the UofM and maybe a few daring reporters though I would not expect them to get a straight answer.

I do believe Virginia has offered, but it will not be enough to change his position.