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bigtenchamps1899
02-10-2009, 10:08 AM
in his interview he says that he had the weight of his texas contract on his shoulders, he was young, naive, stupid. and later when asked what he would tell kids, he repeated the same excuses only to say "there is no excuse for what i did".

PAHlease! he has lied continually in the past. he has been asked if he has taken performance enhancing drugs and has said NO. if there is an asterix on bonds records there has to be an asterix on a-rods records.

don't tell me--he admitted to it and bonds didn't. he admitted when he got caught, and i am supposed to believe that a habitual liar suddenly starts telling the truth. he gets no credit for admitting doping when he has already been caught.

Schnoodler
02-10-2009, 10:12 AM
A-Roid. I luv it. That will be his new name for the rest of his career.

But really, the whole damn league is affected by the stuff. We need to put one big overall asterick next to the decade and be done with it and move on.

bigtenchamps1899
02-10-2009, 10:25 AM
A-Roid. I luv it. That will be his new name for the rest of his career.

But really, the whole damn league is affected by the stuff. We need to put one big overall asterick next to the decade and be done with it and move on.

i stole it from the chicago tribune.

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FiveStarFan
02-10-2009, 10:27 AM
A-Roid. I luv it. That will be his new name for the rest of his career.

But really, the whole damn league is affected by the stuff. We need to put one big overall asterick next to the decade and be done with it and move on.

In 2003 when the the test by the union was done (the one A-Rod failed & was secret) I believe the number was 103 players failed the test. With a 25 man roster and with 30 teams in the league that means roughly 14% of the players in the whole MLB in the year 2003 were using some sort of steroid.

I'm not defending A-Rod, but I have a strong feeling that if you got your hands on that list you will find that a lot of fan favorites would be on it. A-Rod had a blood test during the WBC in 2006 and passed. He claims 2003 was the end to this and hopefully we are closer to 1% in the game now. Baseball in the early 2000's in my mind will always be thought of as a different game than it was meant to be.

BleedGopher
02-10-2009, 10:38 AM
What I don't understand is how Bud Selig throws his hands up in the air, acts innocent, and somehow gets an extension as the commish, despite presiding over the games darkest and most pathetic era. How does he still have a job????? It makes no sense to me.

Win Twins!!

FiveStarFan
02-10-2009, 10:45 AM
Not only does he still have a job he was the highest paid commish in all of the 4 major sports in 2008

MaroonGold1
02-10-2009, 11:25 AM
The numbers from the early part of this century are obviously tainted, but hats off to A-Roid for coming clean and admitting his use. I personally can't stand the guy, but I think the public will be much quicker to forgive him like they have Petitte, Giambi, etc. Makes me wonder, who told Roger Clemens, Bonds, Palmerio, etc. that they should deny their use?

bigtenchamps1899
02-10-2009, 11:41 AM
problem is these tests were for synthetic steroids, something that sticks out like a sore thumb on a blood test. now-a-days the dopers can stay one step ahead of the testers because human growth hormone is undetectable. it is produced naturally in the pituitary gland. when a new test is devised by WADA the dopers have already moved on to the next substance.

new york times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/sports/baseball/11baseball.html?_r=1&scp=3&sq=human%20growth%20hormone%20WADA&st=cse) reports that of the 8,500 athletes tested for HGH since 2000 not one has come back positive.

acording to WADA there is a blood test for HGH, but i wonder how accurate it is. i mean lance armstrong is racing professionally again.;)

Goldy74s
02-10-2009, 11:52 AM
Oh the pressure, oh the pain, oh the courage to come clean!!!

In order to make hundreds of millions of dollars he cheated. Having made hundreds of millions, which he gets to keep, he has come clean. Wow. He was such an innocent, such a young man, such a "victim of society". How heroic.

How modern.

UpnorthGo4
02-10-2009, 01:15 PM
Question: "What I don't understand is how Bud Selig throws his hands up in the air, acts innocent, and somehow gets an extension as the commish, despite presiding over the games darkest and most pathetic era. How does he still have a job????? It makes no sense to me."

I think the answer is that the team owners like Bud because they have made a lot of money during his tenure. Below are the season attendance records for the 30 MLB teams. The large majority of those records have been set since 1997. Despite the drug issues and the ever increasing player salaries, I am guessing that most team owners are quite happy with the way things have been going. At one time the Twin used to struggle to get 1,000,000 fans for a season.


Team name Season Home attendance Per game average Ballpark
Arizona Diamondbacks [1] 1998 3,610,290 44,571 Bank One Ballpark
Atlanta Braves [2] 1993 3,884,720 47,960 Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium
Baltimore Orioles [3] 1997 3,711,132 45,816 Oriole Park at Camden Yards
Boston Red Sox [4] 2008 3,048,250 37,633 Fenway Park
Chicago Cubs [5] 2008 3,300,200 40,743 Wrigley Field
Chicago White Sox [6] 2006 2,957,414 36,511 U.S. Cellular Field
Cincinnati Reds [7] 1976 2,629,708 32,466 Riverfront Stadium
Cleveland Indians [8] 1999 3,468,456 42,820 Jacobs Field
Colorado Rockies [9] 1993 4,483,350 55,350 Mile High Stadium
Detroit Tigers [10] 2008 3,202,645 39,539 Comerica Park
Florida Marlins [11] 1993 3,064,847 37,838 Joe Robbie Stadium
Houston Astros [12] 2004 3,087,872 38,122 Minute Maid Park
Kansas City Royals [13] 1989 2,477,700 30,589 Royals Stadium
Los Angeles Angels [14] 2006 3,406,790 42,059 Angel Stadium of Anaheim
Los Angeles Dodgers [15] 2007 3,857,036 47,618 Dodger Stadium
Milwaukee Brewers [16] 2008 3,068,458 37,882 Miller Park
Minnesota Twins [17] 1988 3,030,672 37,416 Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome
New York Mets [18] 2008 4,042,045 49,902 Shea Stadium
New York Yankees [19] 2008 4,298,655 53,070 Yankee Stadium
Oakland Athletics [20] 1990 2,900,217 35,805 Oakland Coliseum
Philadelphia Phillies [21] 2008 3,422,583 42,254 Citizens Bank Park
Pittsburgh Pirates [22] 2001 2,464,870 30,430 PNC Park
Seattle Mariners [23] 2002 3,542,938 43,740 Safeco Field
St. Louis Cardinals [24] 2007 3,552,180 43,854 Busch Stadium
San Diego Padres [25] 2004 3,016,752 37,244 PETCO Park
San Francisco Giants [26] 2000 3,318,800 40,973 Pacific Bell Park
Tampa Bay Rays [27] 1998 2,506,293 30,942 Tropicana Field
Texas Rangers [28] 1997 2,945,228 36,361 The Ballpark in Arlington
Toronto Blue Jays [29] 1993 4,057,947 50,098 SkyDome
Washington Nationals [30] 2005 2,731,993 33,728 R.F.K. Stadium

monk10
02-10-2009, 01:25 PM
Oh the pressure, oh the pain, oh the courage to come clean!!!

In order to make hundreds of millions of dollars he cheated. Having made hundreds of millions, which he gets to keep, he has come clean. Wow. He was such an innocent, such a young man, such a "victim of society". How heroic.

How modern.

Oh look it is another from the older generation blaming somebody else. I wonder where the kids learned this habit from? Someday maybe you will come clean and admit you failed, but then again you might just blame someone else for why you won't.

Goldy74s
02-10-2009, 01:36 PM
Everyone fails at one thing or another. Not everyone cheats in order to get rich. Our money is our money and we never cheated anyone in any way to get it.

Not everyone is a cheat. If you are, I would not be proud of it.

monk10
02-10-2009, 01:54 PM
I've been cheated a great baseball experience based on the greed of the owners looking the other way, but the "our" you are referring to didn't cheat to get the money, mmhmmm.