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I am so sick of hearing about Kentucky. We got their coach and the better end of the deal. Our Gophers are do great with him and that is what we should be worrying about. I don't get the obsession with talking about all this Kentucky news. Let them complain about the "mess" Tubby left them in and blame all their wins on him. Why does anyone care about them anymore?
 

Lol .. so being tired of it you create another topic about it bringing to the forefront of the discussion board ?

Alrighty then. :p
 

Gopher fans' cross to bear

Minnesota scored bit time getting Tubby, so karma says we had to get some kind of "penalty". That penalty is that more often than we care to we get visits from some of Kentucky's finest Gomer Pyles who think we care a lick about Kentucky basketball, and in particular about Billy Gillispie's recruiting classes.
 

Lol .. so being tired of it you create another topic about it bringing to the forefront of the discussion board ?

Alrighty then. :p

Exactly what I thought when I read this thread.
 

Lol .. so being tired of it you create another topic about it bringing to the forefront of the discussion board ?

Alrighty then. :p

Haha, I just want to try and figure out what the obsession is.
 


There seems to be a rash of people starting threads to discuss something they're sick of discussing.

Kentucky remains a relevant topic because of their continued hopes that our program will fall flat on its face.
 

Haha, I just want to try and figure out what the obsession is.

I have to hear this crap everyday amongst these sad losers. If anyone has advice on how to hear this foolishness and not get into these discussions trying to educate these a holes, then im all eyes
 

I'm disappointed

My assumption was that this would be a thread about the great state of Kentucky, the 15th state to join our nation.

I'll start us off.

Kentucky has the longest underground cave system in the world. Did not know that.

Also, I heard Mark Twain said he would move to Kentucky if the world was to end because everything in Kentucky happens 20 years later.
 

Sweet, another Kentucky thread! They're crazy aren't they? Love it!
 



Kentucky is another team I get to cheer against. I am all for more reason to watch more games. In all honesty before Tubby joined the gophers I did not care at all about Kentucky. i still probably wouldnt but their fans are so obsessed that I just cant help it.
 

I talked to a guy in Kentucky on the phone today. He said they hadn't had electricity for an entire week because of the ice storm. I couldn't even imagine such a thing. I said, "Are you serious? YOU HAVE ELECTRICITY IN KENTUCKY?"

Just kidding. Best wishes to everyone getting through the storm. Especially best wishes if you restrict UK basketball topics to boards having to do with UK.
 

The obsession is that they complained about Tubby and when he decided to come here, many came on the boards and talked crap like "he isn't a very good coach" or "if he can't win with us, what chance do you have."

I am not actually quoting any of them, but it was something like that.

Oh and for anyone hating on Kentucky, they are losing 37-24 at half to Mississippi State!
 

There seems to be a rash of people starting threads to discuss something they're sick of discussing.

Kentucky remains a relevant topic because of their continued hopes that our program will fall flat on its face.

Not all Kentucky fans want to see you program fall flat on its face. Count me as one of them. A very small, small percentage of Kentucky fans are represented by a large majority of the internet "gurus" that also happen to be fanatics.

The sane ones (such as myself) don't post much, if at all, because of the fanatics. Reading the fanaticism of 2,000 isn't indicative of the fan base as a whole.

Kentucky is another team I get to cheer against. I am all for more reason to watch more games. In all honesty before Tubby joined the gophers I did not care at all about Kentucky. i still probably wouldnt but their fans are so obsessed that I just cant help it.

Don't stoop to the level of the annoying section of the Kentucky fan base that I even dislike by rooting for my pain and suffering when I don't root for yours (I'm a long time, and continuing, Tubby supporter).

-Lloyd
 



"Reading the fanaticism of 2,000 isn't indicative of the fan base as a whole."

What's amazing to me is that while we have lots of good fans, we don't have anything close to 2000 rabid, outspoken ones--normal or otherwise, while there are 2000 rabid outspoken nutcases in KY. It just speaks so loudly to the difference in culture/emphasis, given that as a state, KY is no bigger than MN.



"Don't stoop to the level of the annoying section of the Kentucky fan base that I even dislike by rooting for my pain and suffering when I don't root for yours (I'm a long time, and continuing, Tubby supporter)."

Well said. But you have to understand that anything that gives us ammunition against the nutcases that come here is welcome.
 

Not all Kentucky fans want to see you program fall flat on its face. Count me as one of them. A very small, small percentage of Kentucky fans are represented by a large majority of the internet "gurus" that also happen to be fanatics.

The sane ones (such as myself) don't post much, if at all, because of the fanatics. Reading the fanaticism of 2,000 isn't indicative of the fan base as a whole.



Don't stoop to the level of the annoying section of the Kentucky fan base that I even dislike by rooting for my pain and suffering when I don't root for yours (I'm a long time, and continuing, Tubby supporter).

-Lloyd

Oh it isnt cause they dont root for us it seems that that fanbase just goes so crazy. I dont ever post anything about Kentucky basketball other than cat's pause being the funniest board on earth but I do enjoy reading all of it. 2 weeks ago they were talking about national championship. Now they want to fire BCG before next game. I dont openly cheer against them but I do get a little gitty to go over to their boards when they lose.
 


Here are some interesting facts about Kentucky in case you wanted to learn more about our friends from down South. Many of these I did not know:

Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis, the key Civil War political figures of the Union and the Confederacy, were both born in Kentucky less than one hundred miles apart and within nine months of each other.



More Kentucky Firsts, Facts, and Trivia
The town of Murray is home to the Boy Scouts of America Scouting Museum located on the campus of Murray State University.

The Kentucky Derby is the oldest continuously held horse race in the country. It is held at Churchill Downs in Louisville on the first Saturday in May.

The Bluegrass Country around Lexington is home to some of the world's finest racehorses.

Kentucky was a popular hunting ground for the Shawnee and Cherokee Indian nations prior to being settled by white settlers.

In 1774 Harrodstown (now Harrodsburg) was established as the first permanent settlement in the Kentucky region. It was named after James Harrod who led a team of area surveyors.

The old official state tree was the Kentucky coffee tree (Gymnocladus dioicus.) The tulip tree (Liriodendron tulipifera) is the current official state tree. The change was made in 1976.

Cheeseburgers were first served in 1934 at Kaolin's restaurant in Louisville.

Chevrolet Corvettes are manufactured in Bowling Green.

Mammoth Cave is the world's longest cave and was first promoted in 1816, making it the second oldest tourist attraction in the United States. Niagara Falls, New York is first.

Begun in 1819 the first commercial oil well was on the Cumberland River in McCreary County.

The first Miss America from Kentucky is Heather Renee French. She was crowned September 18, 1999.

The first Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant owned and operated by Colonel Sanders is located in Corbin.

Kentucky is the state where both Abraham Lincoln, President of the Union, and Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederacy, were born. They were born less than one hundred miles and one year apart.

Cumberland is the only waterfall in the world to regularly display a Moonbow. It is located just southwest of Corbin.

Fleming County is recognized as the Covered Bridge Capital of Kentucky.

Shelby County is recognized as the Saddlebred Capital of Kentucky.

The town of Corbin was the birthplace of old time movie star Arthur Lake whose real surname was Silverlake: He played the role of Dagwood in the "Blondie" films of the 1930s and ‘40s. Lake's parents were trapeze artists billed as The Flying Silverlakes.

Christian County is wet while Bourbon County is dry. Barren County has the most fertile land in the state.

Thunder Over Louisville is the opening ceremony for the Kentucky Derby Festival and is the world's largest fireworks display.

More than 100 native Kentuckians have been elected governors of other states.

In 1888, "Honest Dick" Tate the state treasurer embezzled $247,000 and fled the state.

The song "Happy Birthday to You" was the creation of two Louisville sisters in 1893.

Teacher Mary S. Wilson held the first observance of Mother's Day in Henderson in 1887. It was made a national holiday in 1916.

The great Man o' War won all of his horse races except one which he lost to a horse named Upset.

The first town in the United States to be named for the first president was Washington. It was named in 1780.

Pikeville annually leads the nation in per capita consumption of Pepsi-Cola.

The first American performance of a Beethoven symphony was in Lexington in 1817.

Post-It Notes are manufactured exclusively in Cynthiana. The exact number made annually of these popular notes is a trade secret.

Kentucky was the 15th state to join the Union and the first on the western frontier.

Bluegrass is not really blue--its green--but in the spring bluegrass produces bluish purple buds that when seen in large fields give a blue cast to the grass. Today Kentucky is known as the Bluegrass State.

There is a legend that the inspiration for Stephen Foster's hymn like song
"My Old Kentucky Home" was written in 1852 after an unverified trip to visit relatives in Kentucky.

Daniel Boone and his wife Rebecca are buried in the Frankfort Cemetery. Their son Isaac is buried at Blue Licks Battlefield near Carlisle, where he was killed in the last battle of the Revolutionary War fought in Kentucky.

The only monument south of the Ohio River dedicated to Union Soldiers who died in the Civil War is located in Vanceburg.

The public saw an electric light for the first time in Louisville. Thomas Edison introduced his incandescent light bulb to crowds at the Southern Exposition in 1883.

The radio was invented by a Kentuckian named Nathan B. Stubblefield of Murray in 1892. It was three years before Marconi made his claim to the invention.

The first enamel bathtub was made in Louisville in 1856.

In the War of 1812 more than half of all Americans killed in action were Kentuckians.

Middlesboro is the only city in the United States built within a meteor crater.

Joe Bowen holds the world record for stilt walking endurance. He walked 3,008 miles on stilts between Bowen, Kentucky to Los Angeles, California.

The world's largest free-swinging bell known as the World Peace Bell is on permanent display in Newport.

High Bridge located near Nicholasville is the highest railroad bridge over navigable water in the United States.

Carrie Nation the spokesperson against rum, tobacco, pornography, and corsets was born near Lancaster in Garrard County.

The brass plate embedded in the sidewalk at the corner of Limestone and Main Street in downtown Lexington is a memorial marker honoring Smiley Pete. The animal was known as the town dog in Lexington. He died in 1957.

Kentucky-born Alben W. Barkley was the oldest United States Vice President when he assumed office in 1949. He was 71 years old.

More than $6 billion worth of gold is held in the underground vaults of Fort Knox. This is the largest amount of gold stored anywhere in the world.

The Cathedral Basilica of the Assumption in Covington has 82 stained-glass windows including the world's largest hand-blown one. The window measures 24 feet wide by 67 feet high and depicts the Council of Ephesus with 134 life-sized figures.

The Lost River Cave and Valley Bowling Green includes a cave with the shortest and deepest underground river in the world. It contains the largest cave opening east of the Mississippi.

The swimsuit Mark Spitz wore in the 1972 Olympic games was manufactured in Paris, Kentucky.

Frederick Vinson who was born in Louisa is the only Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court known to be born in jail.

Pike County the world's largest producer of coal is famous for the Hatfield-McCoy feud, an Appalachian vendetta that lasted from the Civil War to the 1890s.
 

Gold Rush

Kentucky may very well be "all that" and the bag of chips.

But do they have the highest U.S. concentration of lunatics who, in a desperate bid to get out of the house in the winter, make teeny, tiny houses, move them on to frozen lakes, and attempt to procure fish from said lake?

I think not.
 

Kentucky basketball means a lot to a lot of people. I kind of compare it to the love affair the people of Boston have with the Sox or how St. Louis Cardinal fans feel about their team.

Do some people take it to extremes? Yes, and that's sad but like I've tried to illustrate this is not something totally contained within one state or one fanbase. A couple of years ago Tubby Smith was voted the most popular man in the state of Kentucky (2005 I believe was the year) in a poll conducted by the LHL and the Courier Journal.

I miss Coach Smith. He was great for the state and the community of Lexington. He represented himself with class and dignity. I had the great fortune to meet him twice. What struck me as great was he remembered our first meeting (which was very brief) and greeted me warmly as if we were old friends. Many Kentucky fans have similar stories.

His coaching ability, especially on the defensive end, is very high but on the court performance had degraded and recruiting was suffering. I wanted him to win another championship so bad not only for Kentucky but for himself. He made some mistakes and in the end probably didn't think he could do enough to return Kentucky back to elite status. He's in a great place now where the expectations and the pressures associated with them are far different and many, many people in Kentucky wish him nothing but the best.
 

Shikenjanski

LOL.........We have them beat on the ice fishing, that's for sure!!

I do not know if I would want to coach at Kentucky to be honest. It's fine when you win, but the minute there is any adversity, there are thousands of people ready to lynch you. There's a lot of pressure and a lot of B.S. that would just suck the fun out of anything you are trying to accomplish.

You watch, they will run Gillispie out of town, too and then they will do the same thing with their next coach, too. All the bitching and whining isn't helping at all -- they need to stand together more than anything.
 

LOL.........We have them beat on the ice fishing, that's for sure!!

I do not know if I would want to coach at Kentucky to be honest. It's fine when you win, but the minute there is any adversity, there are thousands of people ready to lynch you. There's a lot of pressure and a lot of B.S. that would just suck the fun out of anything you are trying to accomplish.

You watch, they will run Gillispie out of town, too and then they will do the same thing with their next coach, too. All the bitching and whining isn't helping at all -- they need to stand together more than anything.

Pressure is due to expectations. We're talking about a program that has won 7 national championships and a host of other remarkable records. 4 different coaches have one National Championships at Kentucky. 4! That's amazing when you think about it. If you go back to the Pre-Rupp, Pre-NCAA days you'll find a man by the name of John Mauer who helped revolutionize the game and put in the foundations of a lot of the offensive and defensive stuff we see today.

Coach Gillispie (and I said this on the day he was hired) will rise and fall on his own merits. If he wins and has his team playing championship caliber ball most seasons he'll be fine. If he doesn't? Someone else will be hired. He'll have his opportunity to prove himself. The only people he answers to are Dr. Todd and the BoT. It's their decisions and opinions that count.
 

Pressure is due to expectations.
Based on the realities of today's college game, Kentucky fans are insane. Completely and totally out of touch with reality.

Indiana can demand that they should be competing for Final Fours/National Championships every single year because they've won 5 titles. They don't. UCLA could demand the same thing because they've won 11 national titles, 4 more than Kentucky. They don't.

Theses schools' fans want their team to win, no doubt, and get upset with disappointing losses/seasons.

However, 10,000 strong don't boo their own team at HOME before halftime when they're down 13 points, or rip their own players to shreds, or clamor nastily at a coach and put "For Sale" signs in his yard when he isn't winning like they think he should be.

Wildcat fans need to open their eyes and step into the 21st century, this isn't 1949.
 

Based on the realities of today's college game, Kentucky fans are insane. Totally out of touch with reality.

Indiana can say that they should be competing for Final Fours/National Championships every year because they've won 5 titles. They don't. UCLA could say the same thing because they've won 11 national titles, 4 more than Kentucky. They don't.

Wildcat fans need to open their eyes and step into the 21st century, this isn't 1949.


You're coming at this from a misunderstanding. One of the most popular teams in the storied history of Kentucky basketball is one that never won a title. One of the (if not the) greatest players of all time time to ever wear the UK uniform never played in a Final Four. It's not just about Championships at UK. Those are the ultimate goal, the pinnacle, but that's what it's not all about.

Why did UCLA can Steve Lavin? Why did IU get rid of Mike Davis? Why were KU fans upset at Bill Self until last season? That's why I tried to draw a parallel between Minnesota hockey and Kentucky basketball. What does Minnesota hockey mean to a young man growing up playing the sport? What does it mean to wear that jersey? What does it mean when you're at a game against North Dakota (your main rival I believe) and see all those banners and names like Herb Brooks?

Edit: I'm not going to excuse individual people's antics but I'm going to say that, again, these phenomena aren't a "Kentucky thing" Notre Dame fans pelted their own players with snowballs @ home this past season. North Carolina fans once burned Dean Smith in effigy. Alabama fans are notorious for outrageous fan behavior. I don't think I need to mention some of the nasty stuff said about Lloyd Carr and calls for his retirement (or John Cooper for that matter at Ohio State) because he couldn't beat his rival despite bringing Michigan only it's second national title I believe.
 

Good points showinggoldylove.......basketball is a very different game today and it is much more difficult to run the table year after year than it was 30-40 years ago, particularly someone like a UCLA. There are many more schools that consider themselves a good basketball program, and even mid-major teams are making it into the sweet 16. It is fairly easy for a team to slip very quickly with so much parity out there -- look at Wisconsin. Also, the really good "franchise" players can leave for the NBA after just one year and that's tough to replace.

I think you are right in saying that Kentucky is in for a rude awakening -- in fact they are getting it right now and they don't like it. They have been spoiled by a lot of success, but now they are going to have to scratch and claw their way back (Wildcat reference) just like everyone else.
 

It's not just about Championships at UK. Those are the ultimate goal, the pinnacle, but that's what it's not all about.
You might want to convince the other 99% of UK fans of that fact, because I don't think they share your level-headedness.

After reading Kentucky message boards, I've begun to wonder if UK fans are simply that out of touch, or actually have some sort of communal mental complex.
 

Good points showinggoldylove.......basketball is a very different game today and it is much more difficult to run the table year after year than it was 30-40 years ago, particularly someone like a UCLA. There are many more schools that consider themselves a good basketball program, and even mid-major teams are making it into the sweet 16. It is fairly easy for a team to slip very quickly with so much parity out there -- look at Wisconsin. Also, the really good "franchise" players can leave for the NBA after just one year and that's tough to replace.

I think you are right in saying that Kentucky is in for a rude awakening -- in fact they are getting it right now and they don't like it. They have been spoiled by a lot of success, but now they are going to have to scratch and claw their way back (Wildcat reference) just like everyone else.

I agree totally with what you're saying here but I ask you to realize that we slipped under Coach Smith's watch. Coach Smith did a lot of good things-he won a national title, he won SEC championship, he won SEC tournament titles but things slipped. Our "peers" are North Carolina, UCLA, Kansas and IU in this sport. IU got into a similar situtation (not as bad. Tubby could coach circles around Mike Davis in his sleep) as us and made some really bad mistakes in terms of coaching hires. North Carolina and UCLA did as well but corrected those mistakes.

Would you put UK in the same class as UCLA and North Carolina Coach Smith's last three seasons?
 

A few current thread headings...

What Is Your Biggest Gripe with Coach G?

WTF???

...To Live or Die........
Being a UK fan isn't easy right now

Sigh...I really miss bragging about my team

Step away from the ledge DD'ers...


and my personal favorite:
FIRE HIS ASS!!
 

You might want to convince the other 99% of UK fans of that fact, because I don't think they share your level-headedness.

After reading Kentucky message boards, I've begun to wonder if UK fans are simply that out of touch, or actually have some sort of communal mental complex.

I have found that message boards attract reactionaries. Just like talk radio (politics or sports. Take your pick) serves a similar function for people. I think you can get some great insight and great opinions but you have to wade through a lot of junk.

I don't think you can say that a message board (or talk radio) represents a majority of how people think. I think what it does provide is an outlet for folks to "vent" or express things that wouldn't normally otherwise express in public because of the anonymity factor. Not true for everyone mind you that chooses to participate in an online forum but I'd be willing to wager if you had to put your real name, address out there message boards would be a lot less popular with folks.
 

Would you put UK in the same class as UCLA and North Carolina Coach Smith's last three seasons?
Do you seriously compare yourself to those schools every season as a measuring stick? Word of advice; you are going to have down years where you don't win as many games as some of the powerhouse schools. Get used to it. They are also going to have down years where they don't win as many games as others.

It's the reality of the collegiate game; the days of a handful of teams going to the Final Four 2, 3, 4 years in a row are simply over. So much more talent out there than there was 30 years ago, and a lot more parity to go with it.
 

The truth....

OK, if you want to compare Minnesota hockey to Kentucky basketball, fine we can go there. I would say Minnesota hockey fans are just as passionate as Kentucky basketball fans....and I would say every team we play is gunning for us every time we play just like you do.
The Gophers were upset by Holy Cross (HUGE upset) in the NCAA's, they have struggled quite a bit the last couple years and were just swept last weekend by Mankato St.

You know what??? I don't see people putting up for sale signs or throwing garbage on Don Lucia's (Gopher hockey coach) lawn or spewing their venom after every loss and demanding that he be fired immediately. We know it's a long season and a lot can happen and we need to stand together when the going gets tough.

Our hockey team might be down a bit right now but you know -- we will be back very soon. You can count on it!!
 




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