I love to get the other sides prospective

[Brew_recruit]

So if there are any tea party members on this board when you get some time can you please watch this video and give me your take.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRMMWxzFAGA&feature=watch_response


And if you think he is wrong can you say how he is wrong.

PS does this get me the 100 grand? http://thinkingmeat.net/wp-content/uploads/teapartysign1sm.jpg

[Reserve]

So if there are any tea party members on this board when you get some time can you please watch this video and give me your take.

Although I wouldn't identify myself as a " teaparty " member at this time I watched the video and thought the kid had a few decent things to say. However, after reading that he was a disciple of Louis Farrakhan and was a minister within the Nation of Islam in Pittsburgh I have to pretty much discount whatever he's saying and question his motives.

Sorry.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06282/728520-85.stm

[Reserve]

This is classic stuff Brew. Have you read this dudes website?

Allow me. :)

From the Mosque where he is the minister ..


Why are white folks excluded from joining the NOI?

We're in a world where white supremacy is not just a word, it's an institution. One of the goals of NOI is to teach Blacks to look towards themselves for leadership and to honor and respect their own Black leadership. Due to Black Inferiority thoughts that unfortunately exists among many Blacks,... when in the presence of white folks, Blacks have a tendency to overlook their own Black brother/sister and look towards the whites for answers and/or guidance. The exclusion of whites creates the environment, confidence, and trust that is needed in order for Blacks to love and do for self. This is also why Blacks were more united and productive during the years of segregation.

http://www.pghmosque22.org/pgh-questions.html

I won't even post this ..


What the Muslims Want:

http://www.pghmosque22.org/pgh-want.html

And their homepage ..

http://www.pghmosque22.org/

[Reserve]

Nice photo op!

http://www.pghmosque22.org/pgh-photos37.html

[Reserve]

Now I'm just killing some time ..


Do the Muslims believe in Jesus?

Yes. Muslims believe in Jesus so much that we strive to be as obedient to Allah (God) as he was. Muslims pray to the Father...Allah (God), as Jesus did and instructed all to do (Matthew 6:9-13).

Not really and I'm posting from a link ..

Completely contrary to what the Bible teaches ..


In Islam, the Prophet Jesus (Arabic: عيسى عليه السلام‎ `Īsā Alayhi As Salam) is considered to be a Messenger of God who was sent to guide the People of Israel (banī isrā'īl) with a new scripture, the Injīl or Gospel.[1] In sharp contrast to Christianity, Islam emphatically denies that Jesus was the Son of God, or that he was divine in any way. While accepting his Virgin Birth, Islam denies that Jesus was ever crucified or resurrected, or that he ever atoned for the sins of mankind; it especially scorns any notions that Jesus is to be worshipped or prayed to.

The Qur'an, considered by Muslims to be God's final and authoritative revelation to humankind, mentions Jesus twenty-five times.[2] It states that Jesus was born to Mary (Arabic: Maryam) as the result of virginal conception, a miraculous event which occurred by the decree of God (Arabic: Allah). To aid in his ministry to the Jewish people, Jesus was given the ability to perform miracles, all by the permission of God rather than his own power. According to Islamic texts, Jesus was neither killed nor crucified, but rather he was raised alive up to heaven.[3] The Qur’an states that he will return to Earth near the day of judgment to restore justice and defeat al-Masī ad-Dajjāl ("the false messiah", also known as the Antichrist).[4][5]

Like all prophets in Islam, Jesus is considered to have been a Muslim, as he preached that his listeners should adopt the "straight path" in submission to God's will. Islam rejects the idea that Jesus was God incarnate or the son of God; the Qur'an empahsizes that Jesus himself never claimed any such thing, and it furthermore indicates that Jesus will deny having ever claimed divinity at the Last Judgment, and that Allah will vindicate him.[6] Rather, the Qur'an emphasizes that Jesus was a mortal man who, like other prophets, had been divinely chosen to spread God's message. Islamic texts forbid the association of partners with God (shirk), emphasizing the notion of God's divine oneness (tawhīd).


Is Jesus Black or White?

Jesus is a Black Man (Revelation 2:14-15). Does it make a difference? Yes, the truth is better than a lie. And one should tell the truth regardless of the circumstance or consequence.

Certainly we could assume that Jesus would have been a man of middle eastern descent it's unlikely he would have appeared as a black man though. However, the verses in Revelation seem to be taken out of the blue and have nothing to do with race or descent.

As far the Bible speaks of Arab/Muslims/whatever ..

Both the birth of Ishmael-

http://www.angelfire.com/nt/theology/gn16.html

And the generations of Esau

http://www.angelfire.com/nt/theology/gn36.html

Are GREAT, very sound, theological teaching from Genesis.

[MrGopher]

Reserve,

I know you have a point. But I'm trying to extract what it is from all that you posted. Could you state it plainly once. I don't want to start accusing or defending or attacking any ideas until I get what you are ultimately trying to say.

Thanks!

[Reserve]

I know you have a point. But I'm trying to extract what it is from all that you posted. Could you state it plainly once. I don't want to start accusing or defending or attacking any ideas until I get what you are ultimately trying to say.

Not really. It seems to me that Brew_recruit should " test the spirits " of the sources he/she decides to use.

[Brew_recruit]

Not really. It seems to me that Brew_recruit should " test the spirits " of the sources he/she decides to use.

I could care less what this guys religious beliefs are, its not like I am going to vote for him. I was just saying the things he was saying in the video are good points and points that I usually make. Where were these guys when bush was spending us into the ground? Where were they when Bush dipped into our unemployment and social security and put the rest on the card to pay for the Wars? No one can answer it? Plus if steve anderson was black and said that stuff about Bush or Mccaine (had he won) Fox would of ran him out of town. I just thought he was making interesting points and I wanted to see how a teabagger would respond, not go into his personal life.

[streetfighter]

Thomas Sowell had a column from yesterday that responds to many of the points Jasiri X made in his video:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/07/20/race_card_fraud_106382.html

[Brew_recruit]

again no one answers the questions he is asking.

[Section2]

again no one answers the questions he is asking.

I couldn't take this guy very seriously when he is dressed like a 15 yr old boy who's chewing gum throughout his speech, but I battled through the choppy, weirdly edited video (tries to give the impression that he's discussing things off the top of his head but you can tell each 30 second segment is a separate take). A lot of the points, and also your picture (taken by progress now, I can't take their word that this was at a tea party event) are hearsay such as:
Tea party members sell shirts that say "yep, I'm a racist." I haven't heard that, is it proven?

"Only one black panther dude had a baton, and everyone in philly would vote for obama anyway, so no big deal." Being an apologist for "your side" destroys your credibility when you are trying to point out hypocrisy.

"Where were the protests when Bush was president?" I can only speak for myself, I didn't vote for Bush either time and constantly complained about him. And it's not true that everyone was silent about all the money spent on the war. Only the Bush apologists defended Iraq, and the tea party is much greater than bush apologists although it undoubtedly contains a few. Criticizing Republicans just shows that a tea party basher isn't paying close attention to what's going on.

Next he rails on truthers. Again, not a tea party core idea.

He says that people holding posters with the N word, and monkey see monkey spend are racist. I agree 100%. I just haven't personally witnessed these at Tea Party events I've attended. I think there are absolutely racist members of the Tea Party. But there are racist members of ALL parties.

Jeremiah Wright is a household name, yet some pastor (who he doesn't name or explain) apparently said he hoped Obama died isn't getting the same media attention. His point is what here? Wright is a household name for holding Anti American views and acting as Obama's mentor.

Hopefully that's enough point by point for you.

Bottom line, the Tea Party Patriots of MN is not a racist organization. What I mean by that is that the core ideas, the mission statement or whatever, has nothing to do with race. It's about limited government and fiscal responsibility. There may very well be people who believe in those concepts who are also racist. Just like you could have a racist who is a gopher football fan. But you cannot then say that gopher football fans are racist. As long as tea party members shun out racists, and ask people to leave who have racist signs or shirts (and I've seen that happen), then I don't know what race has to do with it. notice that this genius Jasiri didn't discuss one point that Tea Party members outwardly stand for and try to debate it. He's interested in discrediting the party with hearsay and random anecdotes and by attempting to label the movement as fringe extremists. That you think this guy makes good points is embarrassing for you.

[Brew_recruit]

77% of the Teabaggers voted for 2008 GOP presidential candidate John McCain. Mccaine voted with Bush 95% of the time. Bush made our government bigger then it ever was in the history of the USA, lead us to a recession, and had the debt in the trillions. So apparently they had no problem with big government and overspending when Bush was in office.

[bga1]

77% of the Teabaggers voted for 2008 GOP presidential candidate John McCain. Mccaine voted with Bush 95% of the time. Bush made our government bigger then it ever was in the history of the USA, lead us to a recession, and had the debt in the trillions. So apparently they had no problem with big government and overspending when Bush was in office.


This may be difficult for you Brew but people don't vote for perfect candidates. There are none. They vote for the person closest to their view. For those tea party folks certainly McCain - though a lousy candidate was far and away a better candidate than Obama. With regards to Bush many of the tea partiers were angry at him AFTER they voted for him. As for me I am pro Bush but I didn't like everything fiscally. He was and is a good man when you look at the whole.

[diehard]

Bush and McCain are both Democrat equivalents. Both to the center of Obama and Carter but to the left of Clinton. No one (with a brain) is happy that the Rs are the alternative to the loony lefties that have taken control of the Democrat Party. The Rs have not reformed and I do NOT hear their voice with positive alternatives to the Obama wrecking machine. Opposition without clear and positive ideas is of no use. We are tired of negative politics. As much as I am disgusted by Newt Gingrich (leader of the Clinton impeachment while having his own affair) he is the only voice I am hearing that is outlining positive and intelligent policy alternatives. I am sad.

[bga1]

Bush and McCain are both Democrat equivalents. Both to the center of Obama and Carter but to the left of Clinton. No one (with a brain) is happy that the Rs are the alternative to the loony lefties that have taken control of the Democrat Party. The Rs have not reformed and I do NOT hear their voice with positive alternatives to the Obama wrecking machine. Opposition without clear and positive ideas is of no use. We are tired of negative politics. As much as I am disgusted by Newt Gingrich (leader of the Clinton impeachment while having his own affair) he is the only voice I am hearing that is outlining positive and intelligent policy alternatives. I am sad.


Diehard- as much as I agree with you on many principles here's where I think you self destruct. The R's are such a better choice in every way for what you believe in. Yet you insist on this purification deal. You aren't going to get it, ever. Really you should have gotten taught a lesson voting for Obama as you did to try to bottom things out. What you have for your vote is going to be 2 or 3 ultra liberal SCOTUS judges, socialistic health care, the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, a completely business unfriendly government- growing by the day- and national debt and deficits that we may never recover from. Seriously, I don't know if we will ever recover. There's plenty of great Republicans and I can't name a Dem I rather have including your guy Webb who's been horrible in my view. Have you been listening to Palin, Pawlenty? Daniels? Canter? Jindahl, Thune, Ryan? Bachman?
There's plenty of good ones. Yes there are still the Lindsay Graham types but on the whole you should spend your time investing in building up the better side for your views. Perfect ain't happening in this life.

[Brew_recruit]

where is this guys 100 grand? Oh wait the right will continue to ignore the obvious!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI&feature=related


The same people who threw antiteabaggers under the bus seem to not notice these signs at their rallies. PLEASE SOMEONE DEFEND THEM!

[diehard]

You have to be majoring somewhere in the social sciences. There is no other explanation. Well, maybe education.

[Brew_recruit]

You have to be majoring somewhere in the social sciences. There is no other explanation. Well, maybe education.

so you have to make assumptions instead of defending the signs. Maybe I could get the 100 grand?

[bga1]

where is this guys 100 grand? Oh wait the right will continue to ignore the obvious!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI&feature=related


The same people who threw antiteabaggers under the bus seem to not notice these signs at their rallies. PLEASE SOMEONE DEFEND THEM!


Breitbart's 100 grand was a challenge for a specific incident where the tea party was falsely accused of shout the N word. There are several audio tapes that have since proven this accusation of racism false.

Most of the pictures you show are pictures of criticism of Obama. Just because Obama is black doesn't mean he is immune from criticism. Was it racist when people had Hitler picture with Bush in them? NO. It was in poor taste but not racism. The other problem you have is that Dems are now infiltrating Tea Party events doing these things as part of a campaign to cast tea partiers as racist. So who knows who did what?

[diehard]

Diehard- as much as I agree with you on many principles here's where I think you self destruct. The R's are such a better choice in every way for what you believe in. Yet you insist on this purification deal. You aren't going to get it, ever. Really you should have gotten taught a lesson voting for Obama as you did to try to bottom things out. What you have for your vote is going to be 2 or 3 ultra liberal SCOTUS judges, socialistic health care, the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, a completely business unfriendly government- growing by the day- and national debt and deficits that we may never recover from. Seriously, I don't know if we will ever recover. There's plenty of great Republicans and I can't name a Dem I rather have including your guy Webb who's been horrible in my view. Have you been listening to Palin, Pawlenty? Daniels? Canter? Jindahl, Thune, Ryan? Bachman?
There's plenty of good ones. Yes there are still the Lindsay Graham types but on the whole you should spend your time investing in building up the better side for your views. Perfect ain't happening in this life.

I am actively involved in the campaigns of several teabaggers. The R establishment is fighting us tooth and nail. They are losing more than they are winning. The Ds and hating it worse, but we are not their threat yet. I don't believe in a slow death.

[diehard]

I expect to see Robert Erickson with a racist sign at a Tea Party rally. Brew_recruit could be with him. If not, some others will. Honesty doesn't matter when you are an extreme MTV type playing adult. Thinking makes their head hurt.

[diehard]

so you have to make assumptions instead of defending the signs. Maybe I could get the 100 grand?

Bingo!

[streetfighter]

where is this guys 100 grand? Oh wait the right will continue to ignore the obvious!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI&feature=related


The same people who threw antiteabaggers under the bus seem to not notice these signs at their rallies. PLEASE SOMEONE DEFEND THEM!

Goodness. I watched that whole crappy video. What a waste of 5 minutes. I would defend all but 3 or so of the signs in that video. Describe to me how someone proclaiming that "For the first time in my life I am ashamed of my country" and "I want America back", etc. etc. is racist.

Most of the signs appear to be extreme, as the comparison's to Hitler and the like, but certainly not racist.

[Section2]

again no one answers the questions he is asking.

By the way, I'm new here but you complained that no one tackled all the points in that horrible you tube video (I especially love the comments from people who think this guy should run for office), and then you totally ignored my post.