Big Ten Top 25 Players

[tjgopher]

Andy Rittenberg ranked the Top 25 players in the Big Ten (http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten). He just listed Greg Jones at No. 2. How nice would it have been to see Greg Jones in Maroon and Gold?? Wow.

On another note, not a single Golden Gopher in the Top 25.

I would assume Iowa's Adrian Clayborn will be the No. 1 player when he finishes the list tomorrow. Unfortunately, there are lots of Hawkeyes and Badgers on that Top 25 list. Tons of Buckeyes, too.

[Sportsfan24]

I wouldn't worry about it, a number of the players on the list are there (rightfully) as a by-product of their teams success. I can think of several Gopher players better than some on the list. When we win this year that list will change dramaticly.

[Art Vandelay]

I wouldn't worry about it, a number of the players on the list are there (rightfully) as a by-product of their teams success. I can think of several Gopher players better than some on the list. When we win this year that list will change dramaticly.

For example?!?!?!?!

[Sportsfan24]

For example?!?!?!?!

Adam Weber and Scot Tolzien

[AhliBobwa]

For example?!?!?!?!

My guess is that the post season top 25 will include 3 or 4 of the following players--Kirksey, Edwards, Carter, DJ McKnight, Tinsley, Cooper, Weber (yep Weber--an O-line and running game will bring him back into form).

[Stargenes]

I think that is not a bad list all things considered. Really like the Jones selection. I think he is #1 in the conference. Based on last year's performances, it is hard to argue with how the list came out. However, I frankly believe it will be a few changes by year end as well. I may be in the minority on this, but I am just not moved by Tolzien or Stanzi. However, I think it will be Stanzi that falls off the list as he will lose the kind of OLine protection he has grown use to in prior years. Tolzien on the other hand will be bolstered by a great running game.

I also expect to see McNight to emerge on the list by season's end as well.

[Heber]

My guess is that the post season top 25 will include 3 or 4 of the following players--Kirksey, Edwards, Carter, DJ McKnight, Tinsley, Cooper, Weber (yep Weber--an O-line and running game will bring him back into form).

Too bad those won't be good again next year

[Ski U Master]

My guess is that the post season top 25 will include 3 or 4 of the following players--Kirksey, Edwards, Carter, DJ McKnight, Tinsley, Cooper, Weber (yep Weber--an O-line and running game will bring him back into form).

Do we have an o line? For that matter do we have a good RB?? Also, no safety blanket in Decker. Weber will have to make things happen on his own for the most part if he wants to improve.

[RealPushBack]

My guess is that the post season top 25 will include 3 or 4 of the following players--Kirksey, Edwards, Carter, DJ McKnight, Tinsley, Cooper, Weber (yep Weber--an O-line and running game will bring him back into form).

Based on what?

[frozengopher]

Based on what?

Flashes of brilliance that showed even in the midst of minimal playing time for some of those guys. If I were a betting man I would put money down on Coop getting some form of all conference honors this season, pending injury (knock on wood). We've got players, we just need the right schemes. If Horton makes this offense simplified to a certain extent, I have no qualms about imagining Weber as a second teamer again. This conference isn't exactly sporting the cream of the crop at the qb position.

[BCS Gopher]

I wouldn't worry about it, a number of the players on the list are there (rightfully) as a by-product of their teams success. I can think of several Gopher players better than some on the list. When we win this year that list will change dramaticly.

ROTFLMAO.....name one??

[BCS Gopher]

Adam Weber and Scot Tolzien

uhhhhhhhhhh........ya.

[GhostofBronko]

Adam Weber and Scot Tolzien

If you're arguing that if Weber were the Badgers QB he'd be be better than Tolzein, well maybe. If you're arguing that Weber has or will in 2010 be a better QB for the Gophers than Tolzein for the Badgers, you're nuts.

[Rosemountian]

I am willing to bet if Greg Jones played for Glen Mason at the U of M, he would not have developed as well as he did. He would not have been a Defensive Player of the Year candidate.

There was a reason Glen Mason didn't have any LB's selected in the NFL draft. (He and his staff sucked at coaching/developing them)

[AhliBobwa]

ROTFLMAO.....name one??

PantherHawk!!

I know it´s you, cause you´re using the patented overly long all caps internet acronym.

You´re too predictable. Seek Psychiatric help and stop feeding this perverse obsession of yours.

[Sportsfan]

PantherHawk!!

I know it´s you, cause you´re using the patented overly long all aps internet acronym.

You´re too predictable. Seek Psychiatric help and stop feeding this perverse obsession of yours.

So moron... does that mean you can't name one because you sure are trying to change the subject. Either put up or shut up!

You, my friend, are why fans of other teams make fun of the Gophers and their meager fanbase.

[AhliBobwa]

So moron... does that mean you can't name one because you sure are trying to change the subject. Either put up or shut up!

You, my friend, are why fans of other teams make fun of the Gophers and their meager fanbase. :pig:

Umm....when calling someone a moron. It´s usually best if you actually read the thread first. You see, I wrote a list of players and said I felt confident 3 of them would appear on Rittenberg´s post season top 25.

So, again, tough to call me a moron when you are unable to read. And the only ´fans´ who rip on the Gophers are those Hawkeye and Badger fans with a vast inferiority complex about the Twin Cities.

and since you have less than 30 posts, and made a point of defending PantherHawk, I´ll have to assume you are either him or one of his lightsaber wielding comrads. I would bet on the former.

[gopherbadgerman]

I think the Gophs could end up with one or two guys, esp if Weber has a bounce back year. He has the talent, IMO, to be a good B10 QB, but does need some help. Maybe McKnight as well. Im not sold on the young talent on D, but maybe they will prove me wrong...

[Sportsfan]

:pig:

Umm....when calling someone a moron. It´s usually best if you actually read the thread first. You see, I wrote a list of players and said I felt confident 3 of them would appear on Rittenberg´s post season top 25.

So, again, tough to call me a moron when you are unable to read. And the only ´fans´ who rip on the Gophers are those Hawkeye and Badger fans with a vast inferiority complex about the Twin Cities.

and since you have less than 30 posts, and made a point of defending PantherHawk, I´ll have to assume you are either him or one of his lightsaber wielding comrads. I would bet on the former.

Face it... if Rittenberg had a top 100 list... there wouldn't be any Gophers on that list either. You're argument for inclusion is merely wishful thinking. I guess every sportswriter and media outlet is wrong on their outlook of the Gopher team and the handful of U fans on this forum are the only correct viewpoints.

But hey... you guys still have those glory days long gone by to hang on to.

I wasn't planning on posting again until November, but this was too funny to resist.

Plus, I have to get over 30 posts to gain your cred.

BTW: Sounds like Sentreal is available again. You probably have his phone # on speed dial.

[Stargenes]

Face it... if Rittenberg had a top 100 list... there wouldn't be any Gophers on that list either. You're argument for inclusion is merely wishful thinking. I guess every sportswriter and media outlet is wrong on their outlook of the Gopher team and the handful of U fans on this forum are the only correct viewpoints.

But hey... you guys still have those glory days long gone by to hang on to.

I wasn't planning on posting again until November, but this was too funny to resist.

Plus, I have to get over 30 posts to gain your cred.

BTW: Sounds like Sentreal is available again. You probably have his phone # on speed dial.


I always find it somewhat funny when trolls get upset when Gopher fans do not buy into their teams' preseason recognition. Are we really all suppose to accept these writers' opinions as the Gospil? Give me a break. Write it down pigman; Weber will likely cash in better stats than your Stanzi guy. And, be sure to chime in and participate when that weaker Oline exposes the weaknesses in his purported armor; Indiana won't fall apart when they get you down this year. So enjoy the PRESEASON RECOGNITION because the Gophers will get the old fashon way, postseason after they've earned it. 6 National Championships

[Stargenes]

I am willing to bet if Greg Jones played for Glen Mason at the U of M, he would not have developed as well as he did. He would not have been a Defensive Player of the Year candidate.

There was a reason Glen Mason didn't have any LB's selected in the NFL draft. (He and his staff sucked at coaching/developing them)

I'm sorry but even Mason could not have screwed up this one. Jones is an absolute ANIMAL on the field with the best tackling form that I have seen in quite some time. And he does not have imposing size. Now that is an ALL AMERICAN!

Not sure why all the lovefest for Iowa players but Clayborn should have been two on the list behind Jones.

[Sportsfan24]

If you're arguing that if Weber were the Badgers QB he'd be be better than Tolzein, well maybe. If you're arguing that Weber has or will in 2010 be a better QB for the Gophers than Tolzein for the Badgers, you're nuts.

Either nuts are someone who has seen each player up close since they were 16 and 18 and is intimately familiar with their capabilities.

Weber has proven that he can be a playmaker for the Gophers. Tolzien has not been asked to do a fraction of the things for the Badgers that Weber has been asked to do for the Gophers.

Tolzien is a great person and a very good college football player and he deserves to be listed where he is but Tolzien doesn't have the phyiscal attributes as qb that Weber does.

[jovs]

Do we have an o line? For that matter do we have a good RB?? Also, no safety blanket in Decker. Weber will have to make things happen on his own for the most part if he wants to improve.

I think one of the keys is going to be the ability of Weber to check off and find the open second or third receiver, even when he is under pressure. I think you are right on when you say Decker was his safety blanket. He could just put it out near him and there was a good chance it turned into a reception. He just isn't going to have that option this year.

[TAW]

Either nuts are someone who has seen each player up close since they were 16 and 18 and is intimately familiar with their capabilities.

Weber has proven that he can be a playmaker for the Gophers. Tolzien has not been asked to do a fraction of the things for the Badgers that Weber has been asked to do for the Gophers.

Tolzien is a great person and a very good college football player and he deserves to be listed where he is but Tolzien doesn't have the phyiscal attributes as qb that Weber does.

Wisconsin quarterbacks aren't asked to be playmakers, only to be able to think on their feet and not make mistakes. Tolzien fits that scheme admirably. Badgers fans will be holding their breath every time he gets hit this year, because the backups were horrid in spring camp.

[Stargenes]

I think one of the keys is going to be the ability of Weber to check off and find the open second or third receiver, even when he is under pressure. I think you are right on when you say Decker was his safety blanket. He could just put it out near him and there was a good chance it turned into a reception. He just isn't going to have that option this year.

While of course, Decker is in the NFL and will not be available, I would like to emphasize that McNight is very good at going up and making spectacular catches. Overall, I believe Weber will be better off because of the depth of talent he will be throwing to this year. IMHO of course.

[Ski U Master]

While of course, Decker is in the NFL and will not be available, I would like to emphasize that McNight is very good at going up and making spectacular catches. Overall, I believe Weber will be better off because of the depth of talent he will be throwing to this year. IMHO of course.

I don't think we have anyone who will get the tough 3rd down catches across the middle and run precise routes like Decker did. Unless we find a RB to make defenses play us more evenly, I think 3rd down conversions with 4+ yards to go will be tough to find.

[Rosemountian]

I'm sorry but even Mason could not have screwed up this one. Jones is an absolute ANIMAL on the field with the best tackling form that I have seen in quite some time. And he does not have imposing size. Now that is an ALL AMERICAN!

Not sure why all the lovefest for Iowa players but Clayborn should have been two on the list behind Jones.

No doubt Jones is an all american. Mason could have and would have screwed up this one. When you don't have a good linebacker over a 10 year period, that isn't just bad luck recruiting, it takes some lack of skill coaching/developing too.

[atsgopher]

Face it... if Rittenberg had a top 100 list... there wouldn't be any Gophers on that list either. You're argument for inclusion is merely wishful thinking. I guess every sportswriter and media outlet is wrong on their outlook of the Gopher team and the handful of U fans on this forum are the only correct viewpoints.

But hey... you guys still have those glory days long gone by to hang on to.

I wasn't planning on posting again until November, but this was too funny to resist.

Plus, I have to get over 30 posts to gain your cred.

BTW: Sounds like Sentreal is available again. You probably have his phone # on speed dial.

I liken preseason Mags (any sport) to weathermen; you are only using historical information to project the future. However, I find this to be a fools pursuit...These guys make their money by making the safe predictions (kind of like every single stockbroker/financial guy). It's typical herding beaviour. If you are wrong you can point to all the evidence of experts that agreed with you.

With that siad, you may be right about the Gophs not being great this next year, you are crazy to not think there won't be a top 100 guy. Anyone with insight on the roster knows that Brew has done an impeccable job locating talent; the true question (which I expect to be answered in the next two seasons) is: Can this guy teach?

I suspect that guys like Triplett, Cambell, etc, etc are not anomolies...so look out for the Gophs because they are young and disrepected (i.e. evidence Brew and Co. can coach). This year I expect them to be spoilers. Anything less and I'll start whining. Either way any expectation should be tempered by the youth of the most talented guys. One should expect some egrgious mistakes, yet improved technique and some aamazing plays.

P.S. my apologies for the bad spelling and grammer as drinking till 5am is much harder than it used to be.

[Sportsfan]

I liken preseason Mags (any sport) to weathermen; you are only using historical information to project the future. However, I find this to be a fools pursuit...These guys make their money by making the safe predictions (kind of like every single stockbroker/financial guy). It's typical herding beaviour. If you are wrong you can point to all the evidence of experts that agreed with you.

With that siad, you may be right about the Gophs not being great this next year, you are crazy to not think there won't be a top 100 guy. Anyone with insight on the roster knows that Brew has done an impeccable job locating talent; the true question (which I expect to be answered in the next two seasons) is: Can this guy teach?

I suspect that guys like Triplett, Cambell, etc, etc are not anomolies...so look out for the Gophs because they are young and disrepected (i.e. evidence Brew and Co. can coach). This year I expect them to be spoilers. Anything less and I'll start whining. Either way any expectation should be tempered by the youth of the most talented guys. One should expect some egrgious mistakes, yet improved technique and some aamazing plays.

P.S. my apologies for the bad spelling and grammer as drinking till 5am is much harder than it used to be.

All good programs/coaches around the country get at least some meaningful production from younger guys(freshmen and sophs) to compliment the upperclassmen. This is Brew's 4th year. In the previous three... young guys have NOT stepped up much. Some of you have touted his recruiting prowess. That means he hasn't coached them up to the point they are contributing. Arguably, the best players last year were Decker and Tripplet, so little production from younger guys. As a point of comparison at Iowa... some of the best production came from young studs like Sash(soph), Reiff(fresh), and Wegher/Robinson(fresh). That isn't my opinion, that's a fact. Where the Gophs suffer is in the trenches... the O-line was fat and slow and the D-line couldn't stop guys and most of the defense were upperclassmen. So you can see why no respect has been earned and none given.

To think the Gophs will be improved this year by how they looked in the spring game is ludicrous. More wishful thinking from a uninformed fanbase.

Any neutral observer would look at the schedule and question where 6-7 wins will come from. It's unfortunate that this tougher schedule is in a critical year for Brew's future. But he has put himself in this position by his over-hyping.

If he gets anywhere near 7 wins he should be COY. I just don't see it happening.

[Unregistered User]

"I'm taking off til this November"
Sportsfan 6/6/10

Go find your own board, loser.

[Stargenes]

All good programs/coaches around the country get at least some meaningful production from younger guys(freshmen and sophs) to compliment the upperclassmen. This is Brew's 4th year. In the previous three... young guys have NOT stepped up much. Some of you have touted his recruiting prowess. That means he hasn't coached them up to the point they are contributing. Arguably, the best players last year were Decker and Tripplet, so little production from younger guys. As a point of comparison at Iowa... some of the best production came from young studs like Sash(soph), Reiff(fresh), and Wegher/Robinson(fresh). That isn't my opinion, that's a fact. Where the Gophs suffer is in the trenches... the O-line was fat and slow and the D-line couldn't stop guys and most of the defense were upperclassmen. So you can see why no respect has been earned and none given.

To think the Gophs will be improved this year by how they looked in the spring game is ludicrous. More wishful thinking from a uninformed fanbase.

Any neutral observer would look at the schedule and question where 6-7 wins will come from. It's unfortunate that this tougher schedule is in a critical year for Brew's future. But he has put himself in this position by his over-hyping.

If he gets anywhere near 7 wins he should be COY. I just don't see it happening.

Thank you for your misguided input. Iowas will see what a weaker oline brings this year. And I hope you are right about 6-7 wins this year will get Coach Brewster COY. That award will really help put recruiting at a new level. WE ARE BUILDING SOMETHING GOOD HERE! GO GOPHERS!!!!

[lakesgopher]

All good programs/coaches around the country get at least some meaningful production from younger guys(freshmen and sophs) to compliment the upperclassmen. This is Brew's 4th year. In the previous three... young guys have NOT stepped up much. Some of you have touted his recruiting prowess. That means he hasn't coached them up to the point they are contributing. Arguably, the best players last year were Decker and Tripplet, so little production from younger guys. As a point of comparison at Iowa... some of the best production came from young studs like Sash(soph), Reiff(fresh), and Wegher/Robinson(fresh). That isn't my opinion, that's a fact. Where the Gophs suffer is in the trenches... the O-line was fat and slow and the D-line couldn't stop guys and most of the defense were upperclassmen. So you can see why no respect has been earned and none given.

To think the Gophs will be improved this year by how they looked in the spring game is ludicrous. More wishful thinking from a uninformed fanbase.

Any neutral observer would look at the schedule and question where 6-7 wins will come from. It's unfortunate that this tougher schedule is in a critical year for Brew's future. But he has put himself in this position by his over-hyping.

If he gets anywhere near 7 wins he should be COY. I just don't see it happening.

i agree good programs/coaches give their best underclassmen a chance for success. those teams are usually dominated by juniors and seniors with a few fresh/sophs mixed in. but like you said "good programs!" the u of m isnt considered a "good program" therefore developing young talent with no upperclassmen support is difficult. i would say our defense was in a nice spot last year giving several young guys a chance in situations for success as well as putting them into a nice position to have games under their belts for when they take over. it could have been a huge success for brew to play all of his guys right away or it could have been an even bigger failure. brew did the right thing in my opinion when we are trying to build a program. he had the "kids" hitting the books hard, in the strength/conditioning rooms, learning behind the scenes. he has his guys bigger, faster, stronger, as well as created a very young confident group. sounds to me your more of instant gratification guy and you think turning minnesota's average program into a power is as easy to do as nick saban at alabama. when in reality we have the worst big 10 football budget, in an nfl city, with fair weather gopher fans. the fan support is always going to be the biggest difference with the gophers compared to a school like michigan. michigan went 3-9 and still destroyed the big ten in attendance avg 108,500. if the gophers are looking @ 3-9 how many do we get to show up???

[Stargenes]

All good programs/coaches around the country get at least some meaningful production from younger guys(freshmen and sophs) to compliment the upperclassmen. This is Brew's 4th year. In the previous three... young guys have NOT stepped up much. Some of you have touted his recruiting prowess. That means he hasn't coached them up to the point they are contributing. Arguably, the best players last year were Decker and Tripplet, so little production from younger guys. As a point of comparison at Iowa... some of the best production came from young studs like Sash(soph), Reiff(fresh), and Wegher/Robinson(fresh). That isn't my opinion, that's a fact. Where the Gophs suffer is in the trenches... the O-line was fat and slow and the D-line couldn't stop guys and most of the defense were upperclassmen. So you can see why no respect has been earned and none given.

To think the Gophs will be improved this year by how they looked in the spring game is ludicrous. More wishful thinking from a uninformed fanbase.

Any neutral observer would look at the schedule and question where 6-7 wins will come from. It's unfortunate that this tougher schedule is in a critical year for Brew's future. But he has put himself in this position by his over-hyping.

If he gets anywhere near 7 wins he should be COY. I just don't see it happening.

Please see the attached response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

[AhliBobwa]

Please see the attached response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

Yes. Winner

[Sportsfan]

Amazing how with some of the Gopher posters... it's damn near impossible to stay on subject. We either get the "6 National Championships"(from the days before most Gopher fans were even alive) or the posts result in personal attacks to a poster with contrary opinions.

Not that the personal attacks phase me but I can see where supporting data is somewhat hard to come by when discussing the future of Brewster football at the U.

It's not by coincidence that the Gopher football program started its' spiral when the Vikings arrived in town. The Twin Cities is just not a college friendly environment and the Gophs have paid the price. Outside of a few good seasons under cheatin Lou... no coach has been able to sustain success. I suspect the coach that succeeds Brewster will learn this as well.

As Iowans... college athletics is important to us. The athletes on campus know how important the Hawks are to the State of Iowa. We are proud of our success and realize how jealous Gopher fans are. To that fact I say "reap it"!

This web site is properly named... The Gophers are indeed in a "gopherhole".

[Stargenes]

Amazing how with some of the Gopher posters... it's damn near impossible to stay on subject. We either get the "6 National Championships"(from the days before most Gopher fans were even alive) or the posts result in personal attacks to a poster with contrary opinions.

Not that the personal attacks phase me but I can see where supporting data is somewhat hard to come by when discussing the future of Brewster football at the U.

It's not by coincidence that the Gopher football program started its' spiral when the Vikings arrived in town. The Twin Cities is just not a college friendly environment and the Gophs have paid the price. Outside of a few good seasons under cheatin Lou... no coach has been able to sustain success. I suspect the coach that succeeds Brewster will learn this as well.

As Iowans... college athletics is important to us. The athletes on campus know how important the Hawks are to the State of Iowa. We are proud of our success and realize how jealous Gopher fans are. To that fact I say "reap it"!

This web site is properly named... The Gophers are indeed in a "gopherhole".

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh! I think we hurt his feelings. When your togetherness surges you to a National Championship, we will allow you at the table of champions to speak. Until then :pig: you have a place.

[monk10]

Amazing how with some of the Gopher posters... it's damn near impossible to stay on subject. We either get the "6 National Championships"(from the days before most Gopher fans were even alive) or the posts result in personal attacks to a poster with contrary opinions.

Not that the personal attacks phase me but I can see where supporting data is somewhat hard to come by when discussing the future of Brewster football at the U.

It's not by coincidence that the Gopher football program started its' spiral when the Vikings arrived in town. The Twin Cities is just not a college friendly environment and the Gophs have paid the price. Outside of a few good seasons under cheatin Lou... no coach has been able to sustain success. I suspect the coach that succeeds Brewster will learn this as well.

As Iowans... college athletics is important to us. The athletes on campus know how important the Hawks are to the State of Iowa. We are proud of our success and realize how jealous Gopher fans are. To that fact I say "reap it"!

This web site is properly named... The Gophers are indeed in a "gopherhole".

I'm seriously concerned with your lack of follow through and what it is going to mean for our bathrooms. Do you have any suggestions on what we should do to remind you that people don't have sex in bathrooms at football stadiums?

[chi-town gopher]

All good programs/coaches around the country get at least some meaningful production from younger guys(freshmen and sophs) to compliment the upperclassmen. This is Brew's 4th year. In the previous three... young guys have NOT stepped up much. Some of you have touted his recruiting prowess. That means he hasn't coached them up to the point they are contributing. Arguably, the best players last year were Decker and Tripplet, so little production from younger guys. As a point of comparison at Iowa... some of the best production came from young studs like Sash(soph), Reiff(fresh), and Wegher/Robinson(fresh). That isn't my opinion, that's a fact. Where the Gophs suffer is in the trenches... the O-line was fat and slow and the D-line couldn't stop guys and most of the defense were upperclassmen. So you can see why no respect has been earned and none given.

To think the Gophs will be improved this year by how they looked in the spring game is ludicrous. More wishful thinking from a uninformed fanbase.

Any neutral observer would look at the schedule and question where 6-7 wins will come from. It's unfortunate that this tougher schedule is in a critical year for Brew's future. But he has put himself in this position by his over-hyping.

If he gets anywhere near 7 wins he should be COY. I just don't see it happening.

That is the kind of post a person that never actually watched the Gophers play would make. I will grant you that the offense looked lost when Decker went down, but the idea that the underclassmen did nothing (especially on defense) is insane.

You probably only watched the game against Iowa so I will refer to that game for your benefit. Gary Tinsley (sophomore at the time) and Ryan Collado (Junior at the time) recorded 5 combined sacks against your stud o-line. Does that count for production? There are other games where I could point to the contributions of Kirksey, Cooper, Edwards, Carter, and Wilhite. They were all freshmen/sophomores . There were 9 seniors that started on the defense at the beginning of the season, but their best 11 players by the end weren't filled by 9 seniors. Several lost their starting spots and a few others split snaps. Even though the offense was bad at the end of the year Stoudemire, Green, McKnight, Allen, Gray, and a few other fr/so have shown flashes. Even a person that hates the Gophs would admit all of the guys I've mentioned are more athletic than previous Gopher underclassmen. Does that mean we should think the Gophers are winning the big ten next year? Probably not, but you forget that this coaching staff turned a number of guys with less talent into NFL players. You praised Tripplet in your post, and I can tell you that all of the guys I mentioned on D looked better than he did as a freshmen.

The fact is most impartial observers didn't watch enough Gopher football to accurately predict next season. I am anything but impartial, but my opinion is that the defense might struggle early but the group is much more talented than last year. I think the defense will be a better unit by the middle of the season. The offense should be better because frankly, it can't be worse than it was the last 4 games. Could I be wrong? Sure, but I watched enough to know that I'm not basing my opinion on nothing. You didn't.

[AhliBobwa]

As Iowans... college athletics is important to us. The athletes on campus know how important the Hawks are to the State of Iowa. We are proud of our success and realize how jealous Gopher fans are. To that fact I say "reap it"!


What´s funny is that despite Iowa´s recent success against the Gophers Iowans are the ones with the massive inferiority complex about the Twin Cities. If we are so jealous, then explain to me why Iowa and Badger fans infect our site in mass quantities while, as far as I know, Gopher fans aren´t exactly taking over The Nest, or whatever you call your sites.

If you weren´t Pantherhawk I might have sympathy. Minneapolis is an incredible city in the 15th biggest media market in the US. Clearly that scares you and your brethren. Frankly, I couldn´t care less about the Hawkeyes or Badgers as I am confident about what Brewster is building in Minneapolis.

Go back to your light sabers now, por favor.

[Hates Monikers]

That is the kind of post a person that never actually watched the Gophers play would make. I will grant you that the offense looked lost when Decker went down, but the idea that the underclassmen did nothing (especially on defense) is insane.

You probably only watched the game against Iowa so I will refer to that game for your benefit. Gary Tinsley (sophomore at the time) and Ryan Collado (Junior at the time) recorded 5 combined sacks against your stud o-line. Does that count for production? There are other games where I could point to the contributions of Kirksey, Cooper, Edwards, Carter, and Wilhite. They were all freshmen/sophomores . There were 9 seniors that started on the defense at the beginning of the season, but their best 11 players by the end weren't filled by 9 seniors. Several lost their starting spots and a few others split snaps. Even though the offense was bad at the end of the year Stoudemire, Green, McKnight, Allen, Gray, and a few other fr/so have shown flashes. Even a person that hates the Gophs would admit all of the guys I've mentioned are more athletic than previous Gopher underclassmen. Does that mean we should think the Gophers are winning the big ten next year? Probably not, but you forget that this coaching staff turned a number of guys with less talent into NFL players. You praised Tripplet in your post, and I can tell you that all of the guys I mentioned on D looked better than he did as a freshmen.

The fact is most impartial observers didn't watch enough Gopher football to accurately predict next season. I am anything but impartial, but my opinion is that the defense might struggle early but the group is much more talented than last year. I think the defense will be a better unit by the middle of the season. The offense should be better because frankly, it can't be worse than it was the last 4 games. Could I be wrong? Sure, but I watched enough to know that I'm not basing my opinion on nothing. You didn't.

I was going to post something similar, and you beat me to it. I would add that Theret, while not young anymore, is a solid contributor and Brew recruit. And Brewster got a lot out of a few JUCO recruits who helped turn the worst defense in DI football in 2007 into at least an average unit in 2008 and 2009.

Brewster ignored the offensive line in his first full recruiting class and was not able to get a top RB into school in his first few years. He's paying for those things now. But his recruiting, coaching, or whatever it is has improved the defense. Faint praise based on the defenses Mason finished with, but it's improvement nonetheless.

[Sportsfan]

What all of you blind fans fail to realize are that teams that played the Gophers last season played pretty conservative offensive football, thus making your porous defense look better than it actually was. And the reason teams played conservative was really very simple... your offense was so pathetic and inept that opposing coaches knew it wouldn't take many points on offense to beat the Gophers. Why you uneducated fans don't understand this is hard to understand!!

To put this into simpler terms... the guys you had on defense wouldn't be starters at most other Big 10 programs. Maybe some could be capable backups at Wisky and Iowa, but certainly not starters.

People that are PAID to watch and analyze college football know this too. Thus... the lack of respect again this year in the preseason pubs.

I don't expect posters on this site to be objective, but I do expect some level of knowledge regarding the upcoming season.

Guess my expectations are too lofty based on what I've read on this thread.

[Bob_Loblaw]

This entire world of Iowa trolls living on Gopher boards is incredibly odd. I just don't get it. I realize that the Gopher program is a mess (and has been most of my life, but i'm a Gopher fan, so i'm here). These trolls are coming over here calling the Gopher football program insignificant. Well if we are so insignificant, why are you here? Why would you waste your time with that nonsense? It says something about your life that you would troll something that you deem insignificant.

Ok, so you want to act like you want to talk football and not troll, lets go.

You are implying that the Gopher defense was decent because of their conservative offense. Now, lets look into this stupidity.

-Now, I would hope that we could both agree that the reason why conservative offenses help defenses is really twofold. First, they have more ball control, when you have the ball the other offense isn't on the field. Second, you can play the field position game easier because you will (in theory) have less TOs. It really comes down to holding the ball longer and field position. So, lets look into it.

#1: Ball Control: The Gophers finished 8th in the Big 10 in time of possesion. It is safe to say that there defense was on the field more than most Big 10 teams (two of the teams with a worse TOP never played the Gophers). You could also that is a compenant of the Gophers not being able to get off the field. So lets look beyond TOP. The Gophers also finished DEAD LAST in First Downs. Which means, that this conservative offense wasn't holding onto the ball for long drives and was often giving the ball immedietly back to the other team.

#2: Not many TOs: The Gophers had the third most TO's in the Big 10 last season.

In conclusion, the Gophers ATTEMPTED to help out their defense by running a conservative offense, but they failed. The Gophers offense didn't hold onto the ball for long periods of time and didn't protect the ball. Therefore, the fact that they ran a conservative offense could not have been the reason why they had a decent defense last year.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that you have to look at offense and defense in concert with eachother. However, to act as if our putrid offense that was DEAD LAST in first downs, one of the worst teams in the Big 10 in TOP, and one of the worst teams in the Big 10 at turning the ball over was the reason our defense looked decent that is illogical.

Now, for your argument that our offense was so bad that teams knew that they would play conservative as well. We both know that you pulled that completely out of your ace. The Gopher football team faced the third most pass attempts of all the teams in the Big 10 (and they didn't play the team that passes the most in the Big 10 (Indiana)). Two of the other teams who faced more passing attempts - - Penn St. and Ohio St (who were usually playing against teams who were losing (thus more passing)). So how does that jive with your theory?

See, I know you went way out of your way to talk about Gopher fans being uneducated, so I would assume you looked into this theory before declaring it on our board.

[Bob_Loblaw]

How did I know that you wouldn't have a response for that?

[Sportsfan]

How did I know that you wouldn't have a response for that?

OK... since you won't let this die.

First of all, thanks for a very detailed response even though you apparently misinterpreted my post. Absolutely nowhere did I imply or insinuate that the putrid Gopher offense had a direct relationship to how the defense played last year. No one is debating the less than stellar performance of Weber and Co. But the main point of the recent discussion was the defense.

You must be a flashback to the days of Woody Hayes and the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" in regards to what is regarded as a "conservative" offense. What you again fail to realize is that college football offenses have evolved and changed because of the superior athleticism of todays' athletes.

The passing game IS/CAN be an integral part of any conservative offense if the players and coaches are creative enough. Your detailed passing statistics assume a passing game is only of the 20+yard nature. Given that scenario... your numbers mean something. What you fail to consider is how the tight ends and running backs are a part of the schemes. The short passing game is now part of conservative offensive football. The Hawkeyes and other creative teams used that to perfection last year vs the Gophs.

While I didn't watch every minute of every U game last year, I do have the BTN and saw all or most of the Gopher conference games and teams definitely played conservative offensively against Brewsters' boys. As a point of reference... Iowa was using a backup qb and Ferentz knew his defense could win that game. So while 12-0 is a definite improvement from 55-0, Iowa was never in danger of losing last years' game. Gopher fans took solace that the score was closer, but Minnesota never threatened the Hawks.

So while I regret you had to spend so much time researching meaningless statistics, try watching a few games to get a REAL feel for how things really were!!

Fact is... the younger guys may be better than some of the upperclassmen at the U, but considering how bad the older guys are, that's not saying much. Certainly aren't any top 100 guys on the roster. Thus, the lack of respect.

[Ole]

OK... since you won't let this die.

First of all, thanks for a very detailed response even though you apparently misinterpreted my post. Absolutely nowhere did I imply or insinuate that the putrid Gopher offense had a direct relationship to how the defense played last year. No one is debating the less than stellar performance of Weber and Co. But the main point of the recent discussion was the defense.

You must be a flashback to the days of Woody Hayes and the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" in regards to what is regarded as a "conservative" offense. What you again fail to realize is that college football offenses have evolved and changed because of the superior athleticism of todays' athletes.

The passing game IS/CAN be an integral part of any conservative offense if the players and coaches are creative enough. Your detailed passing statistics assume a passing game is only of the 20+yard nature. Given that scenario... your numbers mean something. What you fail to consider is how the tight ends and running backs are a part of the schemes. The short passing game is now part of conservative offensive football. The Hawkeyes and other creative teams used that to perfection last year vs the Gophs.

While I didn't watch every minute of every U game last year, I do have the BTN and saw all or most of the Gopher conference games and teams definitely played conservative offensively against Brewsters' boys. As a point of reference... Iowa was using a backup qb and Ferentz knew his defense could win that game. So while 12-0 is a definite improvement from 55-0, Iowa was never in danger of losing last years' game. Gopher fans took solace that the score was closer, but Minnesota never threatened the Hawks.

So while I regret you had to spend so much time researching meaningless statistics, try watching a few games to get a REAL feel for how things really were!!

Fact is... the younger guys may be better than some of the upperclassmen at the U, but considering how bad the older guys are, that's not saying much. Certainly aren't any top 100 guys on the roster. Thus, the lack of respect.

You realize that all of your points were just proven seriously wrong by the stats BoB_Loblaw laid out right? Calling them meaningless doesn't make them meaningless. You lose. Next time try to watch more than 1 game of a team before building an argument.

I think Iowee fans take more solace from the 12-0 score than we do. The idea that there was no chance of losing that game is laughable. Your D bailed you out in a very losable game.
The amount of redzone turnovers and failed 4th down attempts made it a very close game.

Punt returner Bryant Allen(another freshman contributor)doesn't trip over a finger on his way to the endzone, it easily could have been 12-7 right there, therefore converting the 2 failed redzone 4th down attempts to makeable Fg's, 13-12. It didn't go that way, we lost, but don't try to play off the sweat beading up on the meatnecks of all the piglovers in TCF Bank South that afternoon.
Run along little Pigeon.

[Sportsfan]

You guys need to realize that game stats don't always tell the story. I watched parts or all of the Gopher conference games last year. So save your garble because you, my friend, know not of what you post.

That "TCF South" stuff did make me laugh, however. Glad that despite all the losing... Gopher fans still have a sense of humor.

The real problem at the U seems to be your AD. Maturi has so much invested in "his" guy that Brewster has more stability than he probably should have. That's good news for the rest of the Big 10, but not so much for Minnesota.

One more thing to put in perspective... think of a conservative offense and the days of Fran Tarkenton. Great passing stats but a lot of the short passing game to inflate the stats. CONSERVATIVE does not mean "run only".

Your comments about the game at Iowa last year sound like the script Brewster probably sounded after the game... "Man, if only so and so hadn't tripped, Man, if only so and so hadn't gone down with that injury, Man, if only the field conditions were better... yada/yada/yada"

Jealousy runs rampant on this forum.

BTW: Thanks for Binns, Klug, Eubanks, and the host of other Minnesota high school stars that found success in Iowa City. I'm sure there will be many more, regardless of who the next head coach/AD will be.

[dpodoll68]

You guys need to realize that game stats don't always tell the story. I watched parts or all of the Gopher conference games last year. So save your garble because you, my friend, know not of what you post.

That "TCF South" stuff did make me laugh, however. Glad that despite all the losing... Gopher fans still have a sense of humor.

The real problem at the U seems to be your AD. Maturi has so much invested in "his" guy that Brewster has more stability than he probably should have. That's good news for the rest of the Big 10, but not so much for Minnesota.

One more thing to put in perspective... think of a conservative offense and the days of Fran Tarkenton. Great passing stats but a lot of the short passing game to inflate the stats. CONSERVATIVE does not mean "run only".

Your comments about the game at Iowa last year sound like the script Brewster probably sounded after the game... "Man, if only so and so hadn't tripped, Man, if only so and so hadn't gone down with that injury, Man, if only the field conditions were better... yada/yada/yada"

Jealousy runs rampant on this forum.

BTW: Thanks for Binns, Klug, Eubanks, and the host of other Minnesota high school stars that found success in Iowa City. I'm sure there will be many more, regardless of who the next head coach/AD will be.

Yeah, we're super jealous of your zero national titles.

How does it feel to have zero national championships and be totally irrelevant on a national scale in college football? At least Minnesota only has to deal with the latter.

[Maximus]

After the last two defeats to Iowa, it is a little comforting to tune in to Gopherhole to watch a Hawkeye get his a** handed to him.

We're probably an hour or two away from another "well I've had fun. see you in November" post.

[Sportsfan]

Yeah, we're super jealous of your zero national titles.

How does it feel to have zero national championships and be totally irrelevant on a national scale in college football? At least Minnesota only has to deal with the latter.

I just looked in Webster's Dictionary for the definition of "irrelevent", and lo and behold, I see a picture of some rodent holding a football. How's that for ironic?

Those National Championships from the days before the television was invented sure are a point of pride for Minnesotans. Kind of like how happy the Japanese were on December 8, 1941. How did that turn out? Yeah... no one around the country knows about Iowa Football. Ferentz' name never surfaces on NFL job searches, Iowa never plays in BCS Bowl level games.. oh wait, scratch that. You realize just how stupid you sound with your comments? If not, I really feel sorry for you.

BTW: Can I buy tix for the Iowa game at TCF from the ticket office yet? Oh nevermind... I'll just get em for 10 bucks outside the stadium on game day when the Gophs are 4-7 and the Hawks are 9-2.

[Sportsfan]

After the last two defeats to Iowa, it is a little comforting to tune in to Gopherhole to watch a Hawkeye get his a** handed to him.

We're probably an hour or two away from another "well I've had fun. see you in November" post.

Why stop with just the last two defeats to the Hawks? Go back to the days of Mason, and Wacker, and Gutey, and you get the idea.

How's Maturi's effort to get a trophy game with NDSU going? Or maybe SDSU? A game where the Gophs at least have a chance to win.

Oh well, there's always hockey season around the corner.

[Unregistered User]

I just looked in Webster's Dictionary for the definition of "irrelevent", and lo and behold, I see a picture of some rodent holding a football. How's that for ironic?

You really don't understand irony do you? I'm not surprised.


BTW: Thanks for Binns, Klug, Eubanks

Uh...and thanks for Tom Arnold and Ashton Kutcher. Wow...your state really has brought a lot to the plate. Thanks a pant-load.

[dpodoll68]

I just looked in Webster's Dictionary for the definition of "irrelevent", and lo and behold, I see a picture of some rodent holding a football. How's that for ironic?

Those National Championships from the days before the television was invented sure are a point of pride for Minnesotans. Kind of like how happy the Japanese were on December 8, 1941. How did that turn out? Yeah... no one around the country knows about Iowa Football. Ferentz' name never surfaces on NFL job searches, Iowa never plays in BCS Bowl level games.. oh wait, scratch that. You realize just how stupid you sound with your comments? If not, I really feel sorry for you.

BTW: Can I buy tix for the Iowa game at TCF from the ticket office yet? Oh nevermind... I'll just get em for 10 bucks outside the stadium on game day when the Gophs are 4-7 and the Hawks are 9-2.

How does Kirk Ferentz being mentioned for NFL jobs make Iowa relevant? Oh wait, it doesn't. People with elite jobs (Urban Meyer, Jim Tressel, Mack Brown, etc.) never/rarely get mentioned for NFL jobs, because they already have a job that's equivalent or better. Kirk Ferentz is constantly at the top of wish lists because his current job is located at the anus of the universe. Iowa is a notch below elite, which in terms of national consciousness is pretty much the same as nothing. If you're not winning championships, you're just tied for 2nd place along with everyone else. At least Minnesota can remember when it finished the season as national champion. When was the last time Iowa was playing for a chance at a national title? Oh, that's right - a quarter past never.

You can keep harping on the last few years, because that's all you have. I sure wish I could hang my hat on continued dominance over a team that's been mediocre-to-pathetic the last forty years. Not to mention be so concerned over their eventual return to prominence that I lamely hang out on their team's fan boards and spew my filth all over. Yup, I'd be real proud of myself.

[Sportsfan]

Seriously... fans on this forum make ISU fans look intelligent.

The U has few top level coaches in any sport outside of baseball and wrestling. And the wrestling coach came from Iowa. Hell.. it sounds like Tubby's honeymoon may be over. A move to Division 1AA might be in order.

Ski U Mah!!

[dpodoll68]

Seriously... fans on this forum make ISU fans look intelligent.

The U has few top level coaches in any sport outside of baseball and wrestling. And the wrestling coach came from Iowa. Hell.. it sounds like Tubby's honeymoon may be over. A move to Division 1AA might be in order.

Ski U Mah!!

You're already resorting to non-sequiturs? What a pathetic attempt at arguing for any kind of dominance Iowa has in anything.

Iowa has a good wrestling program and pretty much nothing else. How is that any better than what Minnesota has?

[tjgopher]

How does it feel to be totally irrelevant on a national scale in college football?


I've gotta admit, as big of an idiot as this Iowa troll has been, let's not go overboard there.

Iowa was in the national title discussion last year into November and may have been in it up to the end of the season had the QB not gotten hurt.

They've finished the season in the nation's Top Ten in four of the last eight years.

I mean, sure its nice we won some hardware in the 1930s and 40s. But, I sure wasn't around to enjoy and frankly don't take a great deal of enjoyment bragging about it to fans of much more relevant programs today. Cripes, I'd like ANY hardware in my lifetime (our best finish is 3rd place since I was born in 1968). Iowa's been to three Rose Bowls, two Orange Bowls, won five Big Ten titles, been to eight January bowl games, 22 bowl games overall, and has had six finishes in the Top Ten in the last 30 years. We have zip.

I'd LOVE for Minnesota to have a run like that in my lifetime. As of now, I guess we're left bragging to them about our national titles from before my own parents were born. Sure, I'm proud of that tradition, but certainly wouldn't use it to brag to fans of other teams that have done much more during my own lifetime. Some of you can get your jollies out that, but it doesn't turn me on in any way.

[Ole]

Seriously... fans on this forum make ISU fans look intelligent.

The U has few top level coaches in any sport outside of baseball and wrestling. And the wrestling coach came from Iowa. Hell.. it sounds like Tubby's honeymoon may be over. A move to Division 1AA might be in order.

Ski U Mah!!
Hmmm.
And yet you come over HERE, and get outsmarted and your argument totally revoked by LobLaw's statistics.
What does that say about you?

Our National Championships are only irrelevant to those with no history, it's like saying Bronko Nagurski's place in college football is irrelevant.

You've had a nice stretch with Ferentz, congrats, happy for ya.
When it's all said and done, we'll still have 6 national titles, and Iowa will be back to being a middle of the road Big Ten team in a mudhole state with nothing to offer anyone but pigs and fuglyness.

Seriously, run along little pigeon before you hurt yourself thinking about your place in the world and how insignificant your little squakeyes are.

[dpodoll68]

Iowa was in the national title discussion last year into November and may have been in it up to the end of the season had the QB not gotten hurt.

They've finished the season in the nation's Top Ten in four of the last eight years.

Again, so what? None of that means anything. They have never won anything of real importance other than best loser. When's the last time you heard a college football national talking head mention Iowa? They don't. When's the last time a national college football writer wrote an article about Iowa? They don't. They talk/write about Ohio St., Texas, Florida, Alabama, USC, Tennessee, Florida St., Penn St., etc. - the teams that have actually done something. Iowa is a nothing and a nobody.


I mean, sure its nice we won some hardware in the 1930s and 40s.

Whose side are you on here? Or did you conveniently forget the one from 1960?


I sure wasn't around to enjoy

So what? Doesn't mean it didn't happen. There are a lot of people alive today who saw not only the most recent national title, but all six of them. No one has ever been alive in the course of human history to have ever seen an Iowa national title.


Iowa's been to three Rose Bowls, two Orange Bowls, won five Big Ten titles, been to eight January bowl games, 22 bowl games overall, and has had six finishes in the Top Ten in the last 30 years. We have zip.

That's great. When Minnesota was relevant, they were REALLY relevant. Even though it was a long time ago, it did indeed happen. Anyone and everyone who followed college football knew who they were and feared them. Do you think Florida or Texas fans in 2010 know or care about Iowa? Do you think they fear them? Iowa has never been relevant in the history of college football. They are a nothing and nobody.


As of now, I guess we're left bragging to them about our national titles from before my own parents were born.

How is it possible that you were born in 1968 and your parents weren't yet born by 1960? Did they conceive you when they were toddlers?

[AhliBobwa]

You realize that all of your points were just proven seriously wrong by the stats BoB_Loblaw laid out right? Calling them meaningless doesn't make them meaningless. You lose. Next time try to watch more than 1 game of a team before building an argument.

I think Iowee fans take more solace from the 12-0 score than we do. The idea that there was no chance of losing that game is laughable. Your D bailed you out in a very losable game.
The amount of redzone turnovers and failed 4th down attempts made it a very close game.

Punt returner Bryant Allen(another freshman contributor)doesn't trip over a finger on his way to the endzone, it easily could have been 12-7 right there, therefore converting the 2 failed redzone 4th down attempts to makeable Fg's, 13-12. It didn't go that way, we lost, but don't try to play off the sweat beading up on the meatnecks of all the piglovers in TCF Bank South that afternoon.
Run along little Pigeon.

Yeah, The Gophers had 2 TOs within the red zone, 2 times failed on 4th down, McKnight dropped a TD pass in the 1st quarter, Bryant Allen´s return.

Look Iowa troll---you are totally delusional if you think last year´s game wasn´t close from start to finish.

and again---Iowa fans have the inferiority complex. You have posted on here under how many aliases? with how many monikers?

If the Gophers are so irrelevant why do you are so much? I´ve never one been anywhere near a Badger or Hawkeye board, and never will.

Clearly, you guys are afraid of what is being built at Minnesota. I don´t really care about your squad, Gophers fans care about the Gophers and know that Brewster and co. are building something made to last.

The fact that this clearly keeps you awake at night is amusing.

[tjgopher]

They have never won anything of real importance other than best loser.

Look, we don't need to argue specifics. I'm just saying in general terms bragging to a fan base about our national titles (most of them from the 30s and 40s, and one from the 60s), just doesn't do much for me. Especially when the barbs are directed at the Iowas and Wisconsins of the world, who actually have accomplished a few notable things on the football field in my lifetime. That's all I'm saying. You can brag about them, that's fine. I just don't particularly get a lot of enjoyment out of it. To me, it sounds rather desparate..."yeah, but we won six national titles before anyone around here was around to enjoy it! So there!." Again, great for history books, but not so great for my own enjoyment. Doesn't mean they didn't happen and that they weren't significant. They were. Just not all that relevant to what's happening in college football today.

And, sure you can say Iowa isn't relevant, either, but who cares? I promise you in the next 30 years if we go to the Rose Bowl three times, the Orange Bowl twice, eight Jan. bowl games in Florida, are in the national title talk into November at least three times, and finish in the Top Ten six times, I really don't care what the national media thinks. I enjoy the Gophers right now as mediocre Big Ten participants. I'd really enjoy it if they could finish Top Ten about once every five years, go to a BCS game one every 5-6 years, win a Big Ten title once every 5-6 years, and consistently beat our border rivals. What's not to like about that? Wouldn't witnessing that be more enjoyable that bragging to Badger or Hawkeye fans about our six national titles, the most recent of which was a half-century ago?

Look, it is no big deal either way. You enjoy bragging about things - most of which happened before you were born. I'd just like to have a few things to brag about that happened while I'm alive. Iowa and Wisconsin have a few. We really don't.

And, yes, that Iowa poster is a complete moron. No doubt about it. An absolute embarrassment to Iowa.

[Sean Lumpkin]

I Believe it was in the 60's not just the 30's and 40's when we last won a national championship. No big deal. It's old history. I agree that the program has been pretty bad for a long time, but for any fan from another team to come on another teams board just to be a troll is pretty pathetic. I think it's ok to talk smack before a big rivalry game, but to do so in the summer is really sad. I feel sorry for people like that, as it shows they truly have no life. I would feel the same way if were a gopher fan on another board talking smack when it wasn't before a particular game. There's someone calling himself StargenesII on the Middle Tennessee board saying the same kind of stupid stuff you are. He sounds nothing like the poster called Stargenes on our board. They call him Pantherhawk and ignore him for the most part. I believe he is not a gopher fan but some idiot posing as one. So childish. I visit boards of other teams we will be playing next, not to talk like a fool, but to learn a little about our next opponent.Anyway, regardless of how good Iowa is in football versus Mn. it really doesn't matter that much. We are sports fans, but it's just sports. We Minnesotan's have so much more to enjoy. What matters is that Iowa is a terrible state compared to Minnesota and no win/loss record in anything from college football to high school girls basketball will change that fact. In addition, we do not bring up the national titles to brag. It's done to "counter" foolishness from fans of other teams that have "never" won a national title, let alone 6. It's a rich tradition to be proud of. We all are not stupid, we know the program has been down for a long time for various reasons, but as fan with some knowledge of the program, we are optimistic about what Brewster is putting together here.

[tjgopher]

I feel sorry for people like that, as it shows they truly have no life. So childish.


Yes, that is kind of my main overall point. Why feed this moron? Let him whither on here. He WANTS us to respond with silly retorts. It only hurts our cause (in my opinion) when a jackass like this from Iowa comes on and we engage him in a discusision and shoot things like "yeah, but we won six national titles and you didn't." I promise you the people of Iowa don't care about the 30s, 40s, or 60s. They have put together a decent run over the past three decades (far, far superior to what we have) and they simply laugh that all we can hang our hat on are those titles (again the last of which was literally a half-century ago). It just doesn't "strengthen our argument" that we're a better program to throw that their way. They don't care. And, honestly, I see their point.

I think it is best to leave those idiot trolls alone and certainly don't engage one in discussion about our long ago national titles.

That is basically my point. Sorry if it came across as too negative on the Gophers. Just leave this guy alone and let him hang to die on the board. Feeding him with this stuff only helps him get off on it.

[Sportsfan]

Again, so what? None of that means anything. They have never won anything of real importance other than best loser. When's the last time you heard a college football national talking head mention Iowa? They don't. When's the last time a national college football writer wrote an article about Iowa? They don't. They talk/write about Ohio St., Texas, Florida, Alabama, USC, Tennessee, Florida St., Penn St., etc. - the teams that have actually done something. Iowa is a nothing and a nobody.



Whose side are you on here? Or did you conveniently forget the one from 1960?



So what? Doesn't mean it didn't happen. There are a lot of people alive today who saw not only the most recent national title, but all six of them. No one has ever been alive in the course of human history to have ever seen an Iowa national title.



That's great. When Minnesota was relevant, they were REALLY relevant. Even though it was a long time ago, it did indeed happen. Anyone and everyone who followed college football knew who they were and feared them. Do you think Florida or Texas fans in 2010 know or care about Iowa? Do you think they fear them? Iowa has never been relevant in the history of college football. They are a nothing and nobody.



How is it possible that you were born in 1968 and your parents weren't yet born by 1960? Did they conceive you when they were toddlers?





Ah, tjgopher... finally a fan posting that isn't old enough to be on Medicare. One that realizes that no one gives a rat's butt what happened 50+ years ago in regards to where the football program is today.

If you wannabes stop the Badger and Hawk bashing, I won't have to be here constantly setting the record straight.

This inferiority complex is just a carryover from other disappointments... Wild, TWolves, Gophers, Vikes(4 SB losses). Now that I think about it... I'm kinda surprised the suicide rate isn't higher than it is. Just hang out on Hennepin and suicide won't be a concern. You'll be killed by someone else.

[Stargenes]

Ah, tjgopher... finally a fan posting that isn't old enough to be on Medicare. One that realizes that no one gives a rat's butt what happened 50+ years ago in regards to where the football program is today.

If you wannabes stop the Badger and Hawk bashing, I won't have to be here constantly setting the record straight.

This inferiority complex is just a carryover from other disappointments... Wild, TWolves, Gophers, Vikes(4 SB losses). Now that I think about it... I'm kinda surprised the suicide rate isn't higher than it is. Just hang out on Hennepin and suicide won't be a concern. You'll be killed by someone else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

[dpodoll68]

Ah, tjgopher... finally a fan posting that isn't old enough to be on Medicare.

I'm 30 years old. Idiot.


This inferiority complex is just a carryover from other disappointments... Wild, TWolves, Gophers, Vikes(4 SB losses).

I needn't point out the irony of making fun of a state's pro sports teams when said idiot is an inhabitant of a state with ZERO MAJOR LEAGUE SPORTS TEAMS, but I'll do it anyway.

Seriously...do you even think before you type? Or does random sh*t just pop in your head and you start mashing the ol' keyboard?

[Ole]

Ah, tjgopher... finally a fan posting that isn't old enough to be on Medicare. One that realizes that no one gives a rat's butt what happened 50+ years ago in regards to where the football program is today.

If you wannabes stop the Badger and Hawk bashing, I won't have to be here constantly setting the record straight.

This inferiority complex is just a carryover from other disappointments... Wild, TWolves, Gophers, Vikes(4 SB losses). Now that I think about it... I'm kinda surprised the suicide rate isn't higher than it is. Just hang out on Hennepin and suicide won't be a concern. You'll be killed by someone else.

Amazingly ironic thing to say from someone who lives in Iowa.
You like Iowa = you lose
Goodbye.

[Maximus]

Why stop with just the last two defeats to the Hawks? Go back to the days of Mason, and Wacker, and Gutey, and you get the idea.


I stopped at the last two losses because I'm sure you didn't want to be reminded of 2007 when your seniors missed out on a bowl game because they lost to Western Michigan in the final game of the regular season. Or 2006 when Iowa finished 2-6 in the Big Ten and lost to Minnesota.

I didn't go back to Mason because he was 4-6 against Iowa including a 49-7 beatdown in Hayden's last game.

I didn't go back to Wacker because his 1992 team beat Iowa which kept them from going to a bowl game. Minnesota was 2-9 that year.

I didn't go back to Gutey because he beat Iowa when they were 13th in the country in 1990. He also beat them by 36 points in 1989.

[tjgopher]

Guys, quit feeding this a$$ clown. He WANTS you to keep responding. Don't try to reason with him. Let it go and he'll go away.

[SelectionSunday]

Well put TJ.

[Unregistered User]

I stopped at the last two losses because I'm sure you didn't want to be reminded of 2007 when your seniors missed out on a bowl game because they lost to Western Michigan in the final game of the regular season. Or 2006 when Iowa finished 2-6 in the Big Ten and lost to Minnesota.

I didn't go back to Mason because he was 4-6 against Iowa including a 49-7 beatdown in Hayden's last game.

I didn't go back to Wacker because his 1992 team beat Iowa which kept them from going to a bowl game. Minnesota was 2-9 that year.

I didn't go back to Gutey because he beat Iowa when they were 13th in the country in 1990. He also beat them by 36 points in 1989.

Hey...look over here. Yeah...you got some troll in your teeth. That's o.k. just spit it out.

[Ole]

Hey...look over here. Yeah...you got some troll in your teeth. That's o.k. just spit it out.

Ewwwwwwww what do you think hawkeye troll tastes like:eek:

[Sportsfan]

I'm 30 years old. Idiot.



I needn't point out the irony of making fun of a state's pro sports teams when said idiot is an inhabitant of a state with ZERO MAJOR LEAGUE SPORTS TEAMS, but I'll do it anyway.

Seriously...do you even think before you type? Or does random sh*t just pop in your head and you start mashing the ol' keyboard?

Ah.................. reading comprehension must be an issue! Reread that first retort.

Aside from that.. Just look at the number of "views" this thread is getting that wouldn't otherwise even draw a sniff. As soon as SH disses the U again, we'll be #1. And we all know he will.

I've got 6-8 of you yocals responding to my posts because you all have your panties in a wad because Rittenberg thinks the same about your team as 98% of the Big 10. Pure comedy!

Most of my responses are spontaneous but then again, you give me so much material to work with. The only time I have to research an answer is when you refer to your last National Championship. You know the one... 1960 or so. Kinda like the Cubs fan that remembers the 1906 World Series. But don't worry... Minnesota will once again be a title threat. I know this to be true because Tim Brewster said so! He said that as he was exiting the helicopter.

So carry on, ladies.

[GhostofBronko]

I'd LOVE for Minnesota to have a run like that in my lifetime. As of now, I guess we're left bragging to them about our national titles from before my own parents were born. Sure, I'm proud of that tradition, but certainly wouldn't use it to brag to fans of other teams that have done much more during my own lifetime. Some of you can get your jollies out that, but it doesn't turn me on in any way.

Absolutely. Look at it another way, let's say, at some point in the near future, the Gophers go to the Rose Bowl and play USC and win. Neither team is in contention for the national championship. Are you going to enjoy it? Or is your day ruined because USC has more national championships than Minnesota?

If you don't like that scenario, let's say the Gophers beat Michigan 12 years in a row. Are you going to crow about it? No way, The Wolverines have more national championships than the Gophers and they still lead head-to-head! No reason to celebrate!

[Unregistered User]

Absolutely. Look at it another way, let's say, at some point in the near future, the Gophers go to the Rose Bowl and play USC and win. Neither team is in contention for the national championship. Are you going to enjoy it? Or is your day ruined because USC has more national championships than Minnesota?

If you don't like that scenario, let's say the Gophers beat Michigan 12 years in a row. Are you going to crow about it? No way, The Wolverines have more national championships than the Gophers and they still lead head-to-head! No reason to celebrate!

Point taken, but the point of this whole thing is that I would also not go onto a Michigan site and brag about how we are better than them because of a select time period analysis.

The reason we don't see fans from Michigan, et al, posting on this board is that they are secure enough in their own accomplishments over the history of the B10 that they can respect our history of National Championships. The whiskey and hog trolls on this board are so thin-skinned, and have such low self esteem that they feel that they should be able to come onto OUR board and trumpet their own superiority over a too-small sampling of games.

I would respect them if they picked up 1...just 1 National Championship.