USC: Two-year Bowl Ban

[tjgopher]

I wonder if Seantrel wishes he hadn't signed the LOI. Lane Kiffin assured him they would not get a bowl ban.

ESPN is reporting that USC will have a two-year postseason ban in both football and basketball.

[BleedGopher]

I imagine this means that USC will redshirt virtually all of its freshman both this year and next year, which could hurt their depth when we play them the next two seasons.

Go Gophers!!

[GoGoldenGophers]

2-year post season ban, vacate most or all of wins from 2004 season and reduction in scholarships. This means they will most likely lose their national championship trophy.

[GoldenHerbs]

I thought they would get a slap on the wrist, but Im pleased with this. Good choice Seantrel.

[Breakin' The Plane]

Any report on if USC will still be allowed to foster the blossoming rap careers of players fathers?

[GoGoldenGophers]

I wonder how many players transfer now, or if players will be allowed to get out of their LOI. I wonder if Barkley transfers, I bet he wants a chance to play for something in his career.

[GoGoldenGophers]

Also, I was reading on the USC forums, the scholarship loss is 20+ THAT IS HUGE!!!

[GophersInIowa]

Wow, I was thinking it would be a slap on the wrist as well. Glad the NCAA is going in on this fairly and not going lightly just because they're a powerhouse program. It will be interesting to see how many decide to transfer.

[PeanutButterTubbyTime]

Amazing outcome. I'm glad that they got the ban-hammer from the NCAA for their blatant misconduct. And like Coach Cal in basketball, that jackass Pete Carrol gets off scott free. Oh well.

[Unregistered User]

And like Coach Cal in basketball, that jackass Pete Carrol gets off scott free. Oh well.

And just like that carpet-bagger Holtz did after leaving Arkansas, Minnesota, Notre Dame and South Carolina. Maybe the dirtiest coach ever.

[eker0016]

Any other conspiracy theorists find it interesting that after about 5 false calls of releasing this news (effectively numbing us to it and giving it a flavor of "the boy who cried wolf"), the sanctions are finally set to be released the same day that the Blackhawks win the Stanley Cup, and Nebraska is reported to have defected to the Big 10 (along with rumors of Texas, ND et al). This is the oldest trick in the book, releasing bad news on the same day that bigger news is released so it gets relegated to the back pages.

I'm usually not a conspiracy theorist about these kinds of things, but the way the timing has been handled with this thing seemed absurd to me, and now it makes all too much sense.

[Unregistered User]

I'm usually not a conspiracy theorist about these kinds of things, but the way the timing has been handled with this thing seemed absurd to me, and now it makes all too much sense.

I dig a conspiracy theory as much as the next guy (not in a believability sense, rather, I find it entertaining). But to assume that USC could manipulate the timing of the announcement with the timing of the other two events you mentioned stretches the imagination, to say the least. But it is fun to let the imagination get out and run once in a while.

[Gophers507]

good...damn the USC board is nasty right now lol

[MrGopher]

Any other conspiracy theorists find it interesting that after about 5 false calls of releasing this news (effectively numbing us to it and giving it a flavor of "the boy who cried wolf"), the sanctions are finally set to be released the same day that the Blackhawks win the Stanley Cup, and Nebraska is reported to have defected to the Big 10 (along with rumors of Texas, ND et al). This is the oldest trick in the book, releasing bad news on the same day that bigger news is released so it gets relegated to the back pages.

I'm usually not a conspiracy theorist about these kinds of things, but the way the timing has been handled with this thing seemed absurd to me, and now it makes all too much sense.


I thought of this as soon as the Pac10 leaked rumors of a giant expansion. Now the pac10 looks forward-thinking, powerful, and proactive instead of looking embarrassed and weak having its crown jewel (USC football) annihilated with penalties.

[BleedGopher]

You can't even make up some of their posts, such as this one:

http://www.usc.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=521&mid=143855198&sid=995&tid=143855198&style=1

Go Gophers!!

[ChemEGopher]

This is so awesome. Way go Sean Henderson. You selfishly blew the biggest decision of your son's life.

[tikited]

Best news I've heard in a while.

[monk10]

This is so awesome. Way go Sean Henderson. You selfishly blew the biggest decision of your son's life.

I think this all depends on how long he stays in school, and how committed the players are to staying. If you red shirt one year, and then you play one year with no post season. You can still play three more years with a bowl. There is also no guarentee that henderson starts as a RS FR. The question after that is how "lean" and how long will the USC years be before they are picking up recruits left and right again.

[GoAUpher]

Amazing outcome. I'm glad that they got the ban-hammer from the NCAA for their blatant misconduct. And like Coach Cal in basketball, that jackass Pete Carrol gets off scott free. Oh well.

Hooray for getting the chance to use this:
http://www.pnw4runners.com/pics/banhammer_forecast.gif

[GoAUpher]

Any other conspiracy theorists find it interesting that after about 5 false calls of releasing this news (effectively numbing us to it and giving it a flavor of "the boy who cried wolf"), the sanctions are finally set to be released the same day that the Blackhawks win the Stanley Cup, and Nebraska is reported to have defected to the Big 10 (along with rumors of Texas, ND et al). This is the oldest trick in the book, releasing bad news on the same day that bigger news is released so it gets relegated to the back pages.

I'm usually not a conspiracy theorist about these kinds of things, but the way the timing has been handled with this thing seemed absurd to me, and now it makes all too much sense.

Unlikely since the fact that the announcement would come today has been out there since at least Tuesday (its only the actual penalties that leaked out last night). As a result it would be difficult to time it to the Stanley Cup win or NU news since:
1) How could they know Chicago would win the Stanley Cup?
2) The Nebraska news broke AFTER they announced when the penalty press conference would be.

But no one said a conspiracy theory had to make sense! ;)

[monk10]

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee169/Menace73/I%20CAN%20HAZ/BanHammer.jpg

[RodentRampage]

You can't even make up some of their posts, such as this one:

http://www.usc.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=521&mid=143855198&sid=995&tid=143855198&style=1

Go Gophers!!



You have lost a (former) die hard fan for life. I grew up loving college football which was a tradition passed down from my father and grandfather. When I attended USC in the 1980's, that love for college football grew. Sadly, that love for college football has died and will never be resurrected. The damage is done. The relentless media witch hunt that has unfolded over the past five years toward USC's football program finally killed that love. The lack of a real playoff system in D-1 football (should be a 16 team minimum tournament) contributed as well.

The college football machine couldn't handle a dominate west coast team, couldn't beat them on the field so instead beat them in the back room of the good old boys club, with the NCAA presiding over this circus. I have had it with the NCAA cashing in on the star power of "student athletes" on the one hand and then the uneven, nebulous and selective prosecution on the other. USC was a victim of Reggie Bush's star power and the sleaze that attaches itself to it. The NCAA benefits from that star power as well, creating one heck of a perverse incentive. Do you remember Reggie's likeness adorning your NCAA licensed video game for EA Sports? In 2005, ESPN hailed USC "the greatest college football team of all time". With the hot spotlight of stardom shining on the program, all kinds of sleaze came out of the woodwork. Instead of protecting these student athletes from these influences by prosecuting the perpetrators, the NCAA did nothing but sit back and wait. No sense killing the golden goose until it's laid all the eggs huh?

Does the NCAA provide these schools with their own little FBI units so they can monitor the players family members, girlfriends, friends, entourages, dead-beat uncles, long lost step dads 24-7?

I think Pete Carroll made the right decision. Go back to the No Fun League where he can compete for championships that are decided on the field (not in the media). Most importantly, he won't have to deal with the NCAA.

I will never buy another NCAA licensed product. I have told my wife not to buy NCAA licensed products for me as gifts. I will do my best to pass this creed on to my son as well, teach him what the NCAA is really about: vacated wins, hollow championships and hypocrisy.

Do your worst to USC, that school will survive whatever you throw at them. Your judgment day is coming NCAA.

Uff and da. What's next, black helicopters?

[ski-u-mah]

This is so awesome. Way go Sean Henderson. You selfishly blew the biggest decision of your son's life.


Is it wrong to be this happy about this news?

:D

[dpodoll68]

Is it wrong to be this happy about this news?

:D

Not at all. I, for one, am giddy. Not because I dislike USC, but more because I dislike cheating and those who will defend their program as though everyone is out to get them for no reason.

I'm shocked that MNWolfman hasn't come in to post on one of the myriad USC threads and take his medicine...:rolleyes:

[Gopher07]

Dan Wetzel of Yahoo is reporting that USC is losing 30 scholarships, vacating the 04 and 05 seasons, and has a 15 scholarship limit for the next 3 years. Hardcore.

http://twitter.com/DanWetzel

[Unregistered User]

Not at all. I, for one, am giddy. Not because I dislike USC, but more because I dislike cheating and those who will defend their program as though everyone is out to get them for no reason.

I'm shocked that MNWolfman hasn't come in to post on one of the myriad USC threads and take his medicine...:rolleyes:

If I were dead, I'd be rolling over in my grave...to hide my boner.

Karma baby...sweet, sweet karma.

[GoAUpher]

Dan Wetzel of Yahoo is reporting that USC is losing 30 scholarships, vacating the 04 and 05 seasons, and has a 15 scholarship limit for the next 3 years. Hardcore.

http://twitter.com/DanWetzel

LA Time's confirms. (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0611-usc-ncaa-sanctions-20100611,0,4874968.story) Some excerpts:

Citing a history of misdeeds that "strike at the heart" of college amateurism, the NCAA hit USC with a string of penalties Thursday that will keep the powerhouse Trojans football team out of bowl games for the next two seasons and could cost the university millions of dollars.

As the governing body for college sports, the NCAA's Committee on Infractions cited USC for a lack of institutional control, extra benefits and unethical conduct by an assistant football coach, among other things.
The words of doom.



In addition to the postseason ban, the football program will lose 10 scholarships a season for three seasons and face additional restrictions in how and when its coaches may recruit high school prospects. The Trojans must forfeit victories from part of 2004 and all of 2005, which could jeopardize their 2004 national championship.
Ouch! 10 per year? As Champ Kind would say, "WHAMMY!"



USC's entire athletic program was placed on four years of probation.

Another celebrated football program, Alabama, received similar penalties in 2002, when Crimson Tide boosters were found to be paying players. The program received five years' probation, a two-year bowl ban and the loss of 21 scholarships over three seasons.

In USC's case, the committee said it also seriously considered imposing a television ban.

[Reggie Bush], now playing for the New Orleans Saints, was ruled retroactively ineligible for taking cash and gifts from a pair of would-be sports marketers who hoped to represent him after he turned professional. Bush's family also lived in a home owned by one of the marketers without paying rent.

The NCAA said that in January 2006, the marketers contacted a USC assistant to complain that Bush was not living up to the deal they had made with him. Investigators said the assistant failed to alert USC compliance officials of the situation and later provided "false and misleading information" to the NCAA.

The football program was also cited for breaking rules by having a hired consultant act as an assistant coach.
Here's where the "Lack of Institutional Control" comes in I think.

WOW...

[mggoph]

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/995/952139.pdf

[Ole]

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/995/952139.pdf

I just skimmed through it, mentions several comedian/recording artists/and former NFL players as involved. Someone better tell Sean Henderson, Snoop better be careful when your album drops:rolleyes:, violate this probation and they may be looking at the kiss of death like SMU did.

[tjgopher]

The NCAA said that in January 2006, the marketers contacted a USC assistant to complain that Bush was not living up to the deal they had made with him. Investigators said the assistant failed to alert USC compliance officials of the situation and later provided "false and misleading information" to the NCAA.

What are the odds that said assistant was Lane Kiffin???

[TCF=UnitedWeStand]

MNWolfman isn't going to be happy about this.

[TCF=UnitedWeStand]

What are the odds that said assistant was Lane Kiffin???

That would be VERY interesting!

[GoAUpher]

What are the odds that said assistant was Lane Kiffin???

Zero. It's the running backs coach, Todd McNair. (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0611-usc-sanctions-list-20100611,0,5874209,print.story) He got hit with a show-cause penalty from the NCAA.

[TCF=UnitedWeStand]

I just came back to post that same article... nice work.

[TCF=UnitedWeStand]

Zero. It's the running backs coach, Todd McNair. (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0611-usc-sanctions-list-20100611,0,5874209,print.story) He got hit with a show-cause penalty from the NCAA.

It's interesting that in that same article, it is noted that Kiffen (who was then the O-Coordinator) retained McNair as the Running Backs coach when hired as head coach this past spring.

[GoAUpher]

It's interesting that in that same article, it is noted that Kiffen (who was then the O-Coordinator) retained McNair as the Running Backs coach when hired as head coach this past spring.

Yea, the SB Nation USC blog noted that too. I'm wondering if he hid his involvement from LK too or if LK made a very arrogant "the NCAA isn't going to hit us" move.

[MRJ]

Now that the hammer has been delivered to USC, I must say I'm both surprised and pleased that the NCAA actually stood up and laid the smack down hard.

Two-year postseason ban, loss of 30 schollies, vacating wins in 2004 and 2005 for football. For basketball, one year postseason ban and reducing of schollies. The entire athletic department being put on probation for four years. :eek::eek:

Things don't figure to be too much fun in south Los Angeles for awhile.

[TCF=UnitedWeStand]

Yea, the SB Nation USC blog noted that too. I'm wondering if he hid his involvement from LK too or if LK made a very arrogant "the NCAA isn't going to hit us" move.

Who knows, but I think Lane knew exactly what this guy had done (and knew what he was doing at the time, and of what benefits Reg and fam were receiving). Maybe the guy is taking the sword for everyone else and for that, LK is keeping him on...

I don't know, it's a mess, but Garrett and Kiffin are both getting what they deserved.

[Unregistered User]

The USC boards are all yelling that they should sue...and sue everyone. The NCAA, agents, coaches. It's like it's a new stage in the grieving process.

[eker0016]

Unlikely since the fact that the announcement would come today has been out there since at least Tuesday (its only the actual penalties that leaked out last night). As a result it would be difficult to time it to the Stanley Cup win or NU news since:
1) How could they know Chicago would win the Stanley Cup?
2) The Nebraska news broke AFTER they announced when the penalty press conference would be.

But no one said a conspiracy theory had to make sense! ;)

Thanks for the info -- I didn't really know much on the timing as I've been pretty busy with school wrapping up for the last few days...even so, I think USC is able to save some public face with this timing. Any other day this would have been front page news...now with the conference realignment talk and the Stanley Cup (along with the NBA Finals) it is pushed back a bit.

[#2Gopher]

While everyone wants to sue etc. Will the players sulk or play harder because they are mad?

[Unregistered User]

While everyone wants to sue etc. Will the players sulk or play harder because they are mad?

We'll find out September 18. Hopefully they will take on the persona of their coach.

[ncgo4]

You suppose Mr. Kiffin opts out of his LOI? Lol

[gopheraschells]

can their incoming players transfer out? whether they can or cannot hypothetical question, if they could transfer out and that big fat lineman from St.Paul wanted to come here, would you welcome the move or not?

[Unregistered User]

can their incoming players transfer out? whether they can or cannot hypothetical question, if they could transfer out and that big fat lineman from St.Paul wanted to come here, would you welcome the move or not?

I posted this earlier, maybe on a different thread. Not sure of the rules, but it appears from this post that there may be different rules for different classes.

From Pete Thamel of the NY Times:

"I go to bed with this. With essentially open market on USC seniors and juniors (free transfer), how many coaches have called already?
about 14 hours ago via...

[coolhandgopher]

Here's what I'm quite curious about-how does Lane Kiffin, Mr. Secondary Violations, keep the collective USC noses clean during his tenure as head coach? He doesn't seem like the type of coach you want running a ship when disciplined recruiting/contact/etc. needs to occur. Can Lane straighten up his act or will he run them head-long towards the death penalty?

[gopherjay]

Do you people realize SC has been cheating at this level since the O.J. days. USC should be getting the death penalty, no football for two years. Remember Anthony Davis, Charles White? Both had cars, a girl supplied, school work done, money and on and on. That was back in the 70's.

[coolhandgopher]

USC was punished in 1982 for recruiting violations:
http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/06/10/usc-punishments-a-flashback-to-1982/

[gophersfan]

I have a q. anyone know this.

with this sactions, Does USC loses its exemption for playing in Hawaii. Someone on another board i post at, said that and that USC has to drop a game from it 2010 schedule.

[I Love Gold]

A couple of things about the USC news that has put a nice smile on my face:

1) They got exactly what the deserved-the NCAA took off the kiddie gloves and laid down the proper punishment
2) Lane Kiffin.....'nuff said!
3) It's great to see everyone on this board in such a great mood for a change!!!
4) While the line between college/pro athletics and marketing has become more blurry over the years, there is no question that USC took it to an entirely unhealthy level.

Sleep well, Lane!