Royce White to Kentucky?

[Handsome Pete]

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/16ooku

[Gopher Warrior]

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/16ooku

Yeah, that's Eric Bossi, in from KC, who says he heard that a bunch tonight at Jefferson.

He just posted his rundown of tonight's action:
Sabes Day 1 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1082572)

Another kid I really liked was Leon Watkins.. guard for St. Louis Eagles, 16U.. goes to McCluer high school in St. Louis.. looks like he could turn into something special.

[ShowinGoldyLove]

Never going to happen. He'd have to sit out another year if he transferred...

[KyGopherfan]

Never going to happen. He'd have to sit out another year if he transferred...

Well if Maturi doesn't let him back on the team, what choice does he have?

[jovs]

Never going to happen. He'd have to sit out another year if he transferred...

It is going to happen in the next month guaranteed. I hope it isn't Kentucky, but it will be a big name school.

He probably only has to sit out till January 1st. That will be his one year away from the U.

[tjgopher]

It is going to happen in the next month guaranteed. I hope it isn't Kentucky, but it will be a big name school.

He probably only has to sit out till January 1st. That will be his one year away from the U.

If it happens, he'll have to make it happen quickly, because I think he'll need to take a boatload of summer school if he wants to be eligible by January 1st, 2011, with a transfer year counted. It looks like first session of summer school at Kentucky starts on Tuesday (http://www.uky.edu/Summer/).

[97alumni]

Well if Maturi doesn't let him back on the team, what choice does he have?

Maybe he should have stayed in school and worked his butt off to get back on the team. Trevor seems to have no problem doing that.

Maturi didn't force him to leave school.

[Roy Christensen]

IMO it would be best for Royce to leave Minneapolis and play elsewhere. However his problem here seems to be his reluctance to extract himself from the "local scene" and commit totally to the U and the team. That same reluctance to give up his place in the local scene may well prevent him from going to Kentucky, UCLA, or the NBA Development league. It may be that basketball is not at the top of his list right now.

[Gopher Warrior]

He probably only has to sit out till January 1st. That will be his one year away from the U.

I don't think being away from the U for one year (btw, January 1st would not equal one year, anyway) is a relevant factor here. There are potential exceptions and this can get a bit complicated, but I would think (outside of all other potential issues he would face in getting eligible) he would need to be at the new school for one year, as defined, before being eligible to complete.

If he enrolled at a D1 school in the next few months, I don't think he'd be able to play until the start of the 2011-12 season. Maybe there's some other angle he could pursue (didn't play a second - but that was the coach's decision, so I can't see any argument there), but I'm not seeing one.

NCAA bylaw 14.5.1:

14.5.1 Residence Requirement—General Principle. A student who transfers (see Bylaw 14.5.2) to a member institution from any collegiate institution is required to complete one full academic year of residence at the certifying institution before being eligible to compete for or to receive travel expenses from the member institution (see Bylaw 16.8.1.2), unless the student satisfies the applicable transfer requirements or qualifies for an exception as set forth in this bylaw.

[tikited]

Whatever choice Royce makes will most likely be the wrong one.

[GopherFish]

Maybe he should have stayed in school and worked his butt off to get back on the team. Trevor seems to have no problem doing that.

Maturi didn't force him to leave school.

Its my understanding Royce had been doing well in school, but he had to deal with two legal cases, one that was legitimate and one that was BS and he wasn't getting any support from Maturi. It is my understanding that Tubby would have let Royce play after serving a suspension of 3-12 games, but Maturi got hardnosed and used the BS trespass charges as an excuse to keep Royce out.

I don't know why you praise Trevor while you attack Royce. Trevor has been charged with a far more serious crime. Trevor is being charged with felony assault and the accuser says she's 100% sure he is the culprit and the prosecutor obviously thinks they have a good case against Trevor. I don't know if he did the crime or not but Trevor flying to Minnesota right after this happened makes it not look too good.

[Sparlimb]

Its my understanding Royce had been doing well in school, but he had to deal with two legal cases, one that was legitimate and one that was BS and he wasn't getting any support from Maturi. It is my understanding that Tubby would have let Royce play after serving a suspension of 3-12 games, but Maturi got hardnosed and used the BS trespass charges as an excuse to keep Royce out.

I don't know why you praise Trevor while you attack Royce. Trevor has been charged with a far more serious crime. Trevor is being charged with felony assault and the accuser says she's 100% sure he is the culprit and the prosecutor obviously thinks they have a good case against Trevor. I don't know if he did the crime or not but Trevor flying to Minnesota right after this happened makes it not look too good.

I'd say your understanding falls well short of full knowledge. Granted, I don't know everything either, but some things are clear. Royce has shown no interest in leaving behind his crew and that's where 99% of his problems start. And at this point, there doesn't seem anyway he could stay here in MN and do that. Problem for him is, no matter how well he does at basketball, his posse will follow and more trouble will ensue. I'm not saying it is easy to make that break, but many other athletes have successfully done so.

On the other hand, Trevor has begrudingly done what was asked of him. Yes he is charged with a serious crime and he's either guilty or innocent, which we'll make a decision on what to do once that is decided. But he hasn't walked out on the school and he's still worked and been a part of the team. For all the flack many here gave Trevor prior to him coming here (switching schools every year, lack of comittment), his actions lately show more maturity.

[97alumni]

Its my understanding Royce had been doing well in school, but he had to deal with two legal cases, one that was legitimate and one that was BS and he wasn't getting any support from Maturi. It is my understanding that Tubby would have let Royce play after serving a suspension of 3-12 games, but Maturi got hardnosed and used the BS trespass charges as an excuse to keep Royce out.

I don't know why you praise Trevor while you attack Royce. Trevor has been charged with a far more serious crime. Trevor is being charged with felony assault and the accuser says she's 100% sure he is the culprit and the prosecutor obviously thinks they have a good case against Trevor. I don't know if he did the crime or not but Trevor flying to Minnesota right after this happened makes it not look too good.

And who got himself involved in those two legal cases - not Maturi, not Tubby - Royce. I'm sorry but I don't feel sorry for this guy at all. He had the world right in front of him and he screws up not once (which could be understood as a stupid kid mistake) but TWICE!

I don't know if Trevor is innocent or guilty but I do know what he has been doing since he was suspended from the team. He has been praised by everybody associated with the team for handling this with maturity and dignity. Royce cuts and runs from his teammates and his school and as you said above for much lesser charges than Trevor is facing.

I doubt Maturi sits at his desk and comes up with ways to keep Royce off the team. Just because this kid is an almighty 5 star player doesn't make what he did any more stupid.

Just for the record - I want him to come back because I think he needs Tubby a lot more than we need him on the court.

[howeda7]

Royce and coach Sleaze. That'll be a match made in heaven.

I'm all for giving Royce another chance, but I think if it was in the cards it would have happened by now. I'll be surprised if he ever plays for a single minute for a BCS-level team. Either way, as long as this was Tubby's call and not Dithering Joel's, I'm OK with it however it ends up.

[Mulligan]

It is going to happen in the next month guaranteed. I hope it isn't Kentucky, but it will be a big name school.



I imagine the first priority in Royce's search is to find a school where he'll feel safe on campus.

[Plinnius]

I imagine the first priority in Royce's search is to find a school where he'll feel safe on campus.

Where he and his coterie can thieve with impunity?

[Minnie Soda]

Where he and his coterie can thieve with impunity?

So, Tennessee then? :D

[MinneMike]

Royce isn't going anywhere. His issue has never been with the Gophers nor Tubby in particular. In fact, he loves coach and his now former team mates.

His issue is and has always been his priorities. As in, does he prefer to continue to flirt with music or be a basketball player (at all).

So let's dial this thing back to reality.

[Eye of the Gopher]

And who got himself involved in those two legal cases - not Maturi, not Tubby - Royce. I'm sorry but I don't feel sorry for this guy at all. He had the world right in front of him and he screws up not once (which could be understood as a stupid kid mistake) but TWICE!

I don't know if Trevor is innocent or guilty but I do know what he has been doing since he was suspended from the team. He has been praised by everybody associated with the team for handling this with maturity and dignity. Royce cuts and runs from his teammates and his school and as you said above for much lesser charges than Trevor is facing.

I doubt Maturi sits at his desk and comes up with ways to keep Royce off the team. Just because this kid is an almighty 5 star player doesn't make what he did any more stupid.

Just for the record - I want him to come back because I think he needs Tubby a lot more than we need him on the court.

Very well stated

[BleedGopher]

An updated tweet from Myron:

"I'm told Royce White "narrowing in" on Kentucky. Mutual interest. Guy wants to go pro. Calipari sends guys to the pros early. Makes sense."

Go Gophers!!

[ShowinGoldyLove]

An updated tweet from Myron:

"I'm told Royce White "narrowing in" on Kentucky. Mutual interest. Guy wants to go pro. Calipari sends guys to the pros early. Makes sense."

Go Gophers!!
Well, based on the complete lack of activity regarding anything at the U (signing up for classes, summer school, summer league teams, etc.), I really wouldn't be surprised at this point if he does end up going to a school like Kentucky.

[SelectionSunday]

I could not think of a more appropriate school for Royce to land.

[Rouser]

Its time to move on from this saga....

As Coach Dale said.. "My team is on the floor"

[Blizzard]

Its time to move on from this saga....

Lol. How many times did we think it was over until it reared it's ugly head again?

It'll never be over. Even when we think it's over and he's playing somewhere else it won't be over.

[Friend Of Tubby]

Well, based on the complete lack of activity regarding anything at the U (signing up for classes, summer school, summer league teams, etc.), I really wouldn't be surprised at this point if he does end up going to a school like Kentucky.

If he chooses UK, he won't be eligible to play in 2010-11 season. The earliest he could "go pro" would be 2012 NBA draft. And that's a stretch.

[GoldenHerbs]

Just puked In my mouth again.

[WanderingGopher]

If he chooses UK, he won't be eligible to play in 2010-11 season. The earliest he could "go pro" would be 2012 NBA draft. And that's a stretch.


The chances are slim of (a) Calipari still being around for the 2011-2012 season, (b) Kentucky not being on probation by then, and (c) White not doing something else foolish to make him ineligible.

[scher215]

If he chooses UK, he won't be eligible to play in 2010-11 season. The earliest he could "go pro" would be 2012 NBA draft. And that's a stretch.

couldn't he technically "go pro" anytime now? He has sat out one year after High School. Granted his draft stock probably goes up if he plays at least a year of college ball.

[GopherJake]

Lol. How many times did we think it was over until it reared it's ugly head again?

It'll never be over. Even when we think it's over and he's playing somewhere else it won't be over.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

[mggoph]

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Who's with me?!!!

[NCgopher]

It is going to happen in the next month guaranteed. I hope it isn't Kentucky, but it will be a big name school.

He probably only has to sit out till January 1st. That will be his one year away from the U.

Actually it would be the whole year. He has to be at what ever school he transfers to for an entire academic year before he can play. My buddy works in athletics at UK, I am going to shoot him an email to see if he has heard anything about this.

[howeda7]

I was willing to give him a longer leash then most, since I do think he got hosed by the UMPD, but I'm past the point of caring. If Royce had any real motivation to play college basketball, he'd have taken the steps to show Tubby he really wants to be back on the team. He hasn't done it. And the odds that he's going to transfer to Kentucky, sit out an entire year, stay out of trouble, get good grades and play for Big Blue in November 2011 seem pretty remote to me. And if he does, Coach Sleeze may not be there. But hey, maybe it will all work out for the both of them. Good luck. You deserve each other.

[Go Gophs eh?]

I'm so done with Mbakwe and Royce by now. Just leave, give us our scholarships back so we can give them to people who want to be here. Only problem is, there are 3 star recruits that don't even want to be here. There was a time when I wanted them on our team, maybe Mbakwe still will be, but this is all a bad joke.

[eker0016]

I was willing to give him a longer leash then most, since I do think he got hosed by the UMPD, but I'm past the point of caring. If Royce had any real motivation to play college basketball, he'd have taken the steps to show Tubby he really wants to be back on the team. He hasn't done it. And the odds that he's going to transfer to Kentucky, sit out an entire year, stay out of trouble, get good grades and play for Big Blue in November 2011 seem pretty remote to me. And if he does, Coach Sleeze may not be there. But hey, maybe it will all work out for the both of them. Good luck. You deserve each other.

I was thinking the same thing. I think the UMPD deliberately jerked Royce around, but he gave them plenty of ammo and he hasn't handled things gracefully since then. Him and Calipari together would be a match made in heaven!

[coolhandgopher]

NBDL seems to make the most sense at this time, one would think. As SS said though, if he does remain in college ball, he's found his perfect match.

[Brew_recruit]

what ever as long as he didn't go to Bucky I always hope local kids do well. It would be nice to see a kid who is from the Minneapolis streets in the NBA.

[underground629]

I highly doubt he ends up there. Kentucky can get better players than him who don't cause as much trouble. I really can't see Royce waiting around a year before he plays either. Even if he does go there and manages to stay out of trouble for a year, there's a good chance he'll have someone playing ahead of him.

[Friend Of Tubby]

I highly doubt he ends up there. Kentucky can get better players than him who don't cause as much trouble. I really can't see Royce waiting around a year before he plays either. Even if he does go there and manages to stay out of trouble for a year, there's a good chance he'll have someone playing ahead of him.

Michael Gilchrist (rated #1 recruit in 2011 class) is UK commitment and will start at F in 2011-12.

Seniors Darius Miller and Darnell Dodson return at F in 2011-12. Terence Jones will likely be NBA 1 & Done after 2010-11 but Eloy Vargas will be back at F also.

[BleedGopher]

Marcus Fuller tweets on the subject:

"Royce White to KY rumors I'm hearing stronger than ever. Seems Mbakwe might not be only one asking for a waiver to play next yr elsewhere."

Go Gophers!!

[Friend Of Tubby]

Marcus Fuller tweets on the subject:

"Royce White to KY rumors I'm hearing stronger than ever. Seems Mbakwe might not be only one asking for a waiver to play next yr elsewhere."

Go Gophers!!

Dear NCAA:

I pled guilty to misdemeanor assault. I had numerous problems in campus dorms. I was mistreated so I'd like to play next year somewhere else.

PS to Marcus Fuller - NCAA rules REQUIRE transfer to sit out a year. Royce cannot play anywhere next year.

[GophersOnTheRise]

Dear NCAA:

I pled guilty to misdemeanor assault. I had numerous problems in campus dorms. I was mistreated so I'd like to play next year somewhere else.

PS to Marcus Fuller - NCAA rules REQUIRE transfer to sit out a year. Royce cannot play anywhere next year.

I think that's why he specifically said he might be asking for a waiver to play.

[Rosemountian]

Niether of those guys will get waivers to play immediately.

If Mbakwe is found innocent, he will get his.....but if he is found innocent before the school year starts, he would be playing for the U of M.
White would definitely not get a waiver because: He has a criminal history and he dropped out of school.

White wants to go to the NBA early? Okay.....good luck. Contrary to what most people like to hyperbole about on here, White has never been regarded as a lock 1st round NBA guy. He would have had to come here and play well. If it were allowed to go to the NBA draft out of high school and he chose to. He would not have been a 1st round pick coming out of high school. In fact, he may have not been drafted at all.

[gopherbadgerman]

I'll be happy when he just moves on...

[BleedGopher]

Shooter on this and a few other tid-bits that have been on here for a few days:

A little birdie says Royce White, the troubled but talented basketball player who left the University of Minnesota program as a freshman last season, is being sought by the University of Kentucky, where the Gophers' Tubby Smith used to coach.

The 6-foot-8, 250-pound White would need to complete academic work before he could become eligible, regardless of where he might end up playing. If he stayed with the Gophers, the earliest he could play would be the start of the spring semester. He would have to sit out at least one transfer year at Kentucky. The Wildcats had the top recruiting class in the nation last season, according to Rivals.com.

Trevor Mbakwe, a 6-8 240-pounder whom the Gophers still hope will return to the team if he is cleared after a scheduled July 26 trial for felony assault in Miami, is expected to play Tuesday night for the Howard Pulley Errol Carlstrom Playaz team at the Salvation Army gym in St. Paul.

Mbakwe, who is being recruited by Memphis, will have Gophers sharpshooter Blake Hoffarber as a Pulley teammate.

Four incoming Gophers — 6-10, 270-pound Canadian Mo Walker, 6-11 Elliott Eliason of Nebraska, 6-4 Austin Hollins of Memphis and 6-1 Maverick Ahanmisi of California — are on campus in summer school.

Ex-Gophers Lawrence Westbrook and Damian Johnson get workouts today with the Timberwolves at Target Center.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_15317753?nclick_check=1

Go Gophers!!

[Brew_recruit]

Shooter on this and a few other tid-bits that have been on here for a few days:

A little birdie says Royce White, the troubled but talented basketball player who left the University of Minnesota program as a freshman last season, is being sought by the University of Kentucky, where the Gophers' Tubby Smith used to coach.

The 6-foot-8, 250-pound White would need to complete academic work before he could become eligible, regardless of where he might end up playing. If he stayed with the Gophers, the earliest he could play would be the start of the spring semester. He would have to sit out at least one transfer year at Kentucky. The Wildcats had the top recruiting class in the nation last season, according to Rivals.com.

Trevor Mbakwe, a 6-8 240-pounder whom the Gophers still hope will return to the team if he is cleared after a scheduled July 26 trial for felony assault in Miami, is expected to play Tuesday night for the Howard Pulley Errol Carlstrom Playaz team at the Salvation Army gym in St. Paul.

Mbakwe, who is being recruited by Memphis, will have Gophers sharpshooter Blake Hoffarber as a Pulley teammate.

Four incoming Gophers — 6-10, 270-pound Canadian Mo Walker, 6-11 Elliott Eliason of Nebraska, 6-4 Austin Hollins of Memphis and 6-1 Maverick Ahanmisi of California — are on campus in summer school.

Ex-Gophers Lawrence Westbrook and Damian Johnson get workouts today with the Timberwolves at Target Center.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_15317753?nclick_check=1

Go Gophers!!

no one actually listens to shooter's bs rumors. He just throws stuff at the wall and hopes something sticks. He relies on the fact that no on remembers the rumors that don't turn out to be true but will remember the rumors that turn out to be real.

[underground629]

If Trevor or Royce are playing college bball in the next 1-2 years, I highly doubt it's anywhere other than MN.

[dboy]

Niether of those guys will get waivers to play immediately.

If Mbakwe is found innocent, he will get his.....but if he is found innocent before the school year starts, he would be playing for the U of M.
White would definitely not get a waiver because: He has a criminal history and he dropped out of school.

White wants to go to the NBA early? Okay.....good luck. Contrary to what most people like to hyperbole about on here, White has never been regarded as a lock 1st round NBA guy. He would have had to come here and play well. If it were allowed to go to the NBA draft out of high school and he chose to. He would not have been a 1st round pick coming out of high school. In fact, he may have not been drafted at all.


if Leuer is a first-rounder, so is Royce.

[jovs]

if Leuer is a first-rounder, so is Royce.

Not sure NBA teams are taking the risks they used to, especially on someone who hasn't played in over a year. Right now White would not be drafted if he entered the draft.

[SPCPrice21]

Royce needs to make a decision soon. The draft im guessing is out of the question since he doesnt have an agent. Although it wouldn't blow my mind if he tried to represent himself for some odd reason. I just wouldnt put it past him lmao. From what ive read he has to take summer classes to become a gopher. Well he missed that cut off. And Kentucky starts their summer classes here shortly. Highly unlikely he will go there. So unless the kid is never gonna play again and waste his talent i would guess he is gonna go the JC route. Thats just my guess.

[Friend Of Tubby]

Royce needs to make a decision soon. The draft im guessing is out of the question since he doesnt have an agent. Although it wouldn't blow my mind if he tried to represent himself for some odd reason. I just wouldnt put it past him lmao. From what ive read he has to take summer classes to become a gopher. Well he missed that cut off. And Kentucky starts their summer classes here shortly. Highly unlikely he will go there. So unless the kid is never gonna play again and waste his talent i would guess he is gonna go the JC route. Thats just my guess.

JuCo would be a good opportunity to rehabilitate himself. NBA scouts would see him. Div I coaches would see him. And he can get his academics back in order without sitting out.

[Mikie S]

Personally I think Royce to Kentucky makes sense. He could put the exclaimation point on Coach Cal's "Reign of Shame".

[KyGopherfan]

I'd love to know whether Tubby or Maturi forbade Royce from rejoining the Gophers. We know that Royce met with Tubby and asked back on the team. After that, no one knows what happened.

I imagine that Tubby isn't too happy about this ex-star recruit going to play for Kentucky. I'm sure Tubby would rather Royce play anywhere else in the country besides UK.

[The-Real-Truth]

I'd love to know whether Tubby or Maturi forbade Royce from rejoining the Gophers. We know that Royce met with Tubby and asked back on the team. After that, no one knows what happened.

I imagine that Tubby isn't too happy about this ex-star recruit going to play for Kentucky. I'm sure Tubby would rather Royce play anywhere else in the country besides UK.

Tubby has been very frank with Royce. As long as he hangs out with those people who stole a laptop from the dorm, he won't be a Gopher. As we all know, this happened during one the home games when Royce was supposed to be on the bench instead of escorting his buddies into a dorm.

From the article that we read earlier even Royce's grandgather hasn't spoken with him for a while. Royce needs to hire Artest's shrink before he can play ball in any college. Tubby would care less where Royce goes if Royce continues to be a dumbass.

I really like him to be a Gopher but unfortunately he has so much growing up to do.

Go Gophers

[Mulligan]

A 3 page thread on Royce White and not one post from Art reminding us Royce quit. Only one explanation. Mother Vandelay, I'm sorry for your loss.

[JohnnyGopher]

I don't think Tubby has given royce much thought in quite awhile. They gave royce some pretty simple guidelines for his return back in march and then just moved on with there lives and program under the assumption he was never coming back. they we're not going to waste anymore time and energy trying to get him back, it was all in his hands and he had to do the work to get back and so far he hasn't done that. they weren't going to hold his hand and sign him up for summer school and do everyting for him, he had to put in the effort to do it and he hasn't so that is that. One possibility is Howard JC in Texas where Carlos Emmory plays.

[GophersOnTheRise]

I wonder what the odds are that Royce goes to a Juco, loses touch with his friends, and then returns to the Gophers the following year? I guess one can only hope.

[Mother Vandelay]

A 3 page thread on Royce White and not one post from Art reminding us Royce quit. Only one explanation. Mother Vandelay, I'm sorry for your loss.

Thanks for the kind words. Yes those first 20 minutes were tough but after that the beer buzz kicked in and I'm feeling better. Art asked to be buried in his badger red outfit but I decided to have him cremated so why bother. On the bright side I've got folks coming over this afternoon who are thinking about renting his room.

[Rosemountian]

if Leuer is a first-rounder, so is Royce.

They are not comparable players. Leuer is 6'10....doesn't have to worry about playing anything other than PF. He was an All-Big Ten caliber PF pre-injury. 6'10 guys with a jumpshot are not as big of a risk as 6'8 PF's with attitude problems, who haven't played in over a year, with a criminal history, who is probably a SF. White would have to prove he can play SF at the college level before he becomes a first round draft pick. His inside game is what made him so good in high school, his outside game was merely a compliment to that. At 6'8, he is a longshot at PF and his high school highlights would not be enough to merit drafting a guy with baggage to a position he has never really shown he can play at a high level.

[TWeber]

Per www.truebluekentucky.com:

Royce White to UK is NOT a done deal.... - 14 Hrs, 3 Mins ago

Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:36pm

Iowa State is still in the mix. UK might be his favorite school, but things have to be worked out to get him to UK. It's one thing to want to come to UK...ti's another thing to be able to make everything fit right so it happens.

You'll probably hear a lot of internet guru's hyping that it's a done deal....seems like more and more internet "gurus" try to make their names on claiming something is a "done deal" just so they can later claim to have known it before anyone. The truth is that White won't be a done deal till he shows up on campus. It's not just a simple thing to get him into school at UK.... you have lots of work that has to be done to make his grades fit so he's eligible here at UK.

Don't believe any "done deal" stuff you hear......

mm

[GopherHomer]

Hypothetical question: Let's say White went to Kentucky out of high school and he behaved in the exact same way down in Lexington...would it have even hit the media? Would he have missed a single game? I'm glad (most of the time) we hold our student-athletes to a higher example, but in doing so we have to be prepared to lose some talented guys that just want to party and coast through a year or two of college sports. Tubby and Monson are both very classy people, but how long do we give Coach Smith to get us out of the first round before we sell our souls for some sleaze who can get talent on the court?

[anonymous]

If Royce had gone to Kentucky, gone to the mall, stolen some stuff and then pushed down a security dude, it would have not only made the news, it would have made the news immediately.

People talk about how tough players have it here, but in some ways players other places get it worse in terms of very small things being blown up. In most cases, news of arrests and the like make the papers only if the player is taken to jail or if the Minnesota Daily writes about it and it gets picked up.

The Royce incident at the MOA didn't make the news until he was suspended by Tubby and then people started digging.

The papers here don't go through every police log to find out what students were cited for underage drinking, etc. Reporters do, however, look at who was brought to the jail and if you go to jail, it probably ends up in the paper.

[NCgopher]

Marcus Fuller tweets on the subject:

"Royce White to KY rumors I'm hearing stronger than ever. Seems Mbakwe might not be only one asking for a waiver to play next yr elsewhere."

Go Gophers!!

Asked my buddy (who is a die hard UK fan, alum, and employee --works closely with mbb, but is not a coach) and his exact words when I inquired about Royce were "never heard of him, if they are looking at bringing him in they aren't talking."


I think that's why he specifically said he might be asking for a waiver to play.

He would need two. One to be able to play immediately and one to waive the eligibility requirements (18 hours in school year, with 6 earned in last full time semester -spring- and a 1.8 gpa)

[Mother Vandelay]

If Royce had gone to Kentucky, gone to the mall, stolen some stuff and then pushed down a security dude, it would have not only made the news, it would have made the news immediately.

People talk about how tough players have it here, but in some ways players other places get it worse in terms of very small things being blown up. In most cases, news of arrests and the like make the papers only if the player is taken to jail or if the Minnesota Daily writes about it and it gets picked up.

The Royce incident at the MOA didn't make the news until he was suspended by Tubby and then people started digging.

The papers here don't go through every police log to find out what students were cited for underage drinking, etc. Reporters do, however, look at who was brought to the jail and if you go to jail, it probably ends up in the paper.

So the next question is would he have been suspended. World Wide Wes has got a lot riding on getting players to the pro's and sitting a 5 star for a year isn't going to look good to next years top rated players. If Kentucky can't do what it takes to get a player to the pros W.W.W will find a school up to the task.

[Rosemountian]

If you are coach Cal, and you can land just about any player in the country every year. Do you want a basket case who hasn't played for a year and has to sit out another? Or do you use that scholarship on a 4-5 star freshman who can play right away and doesn't have baggage?

I go with the latter. But then again, I am not a D1 coach.

[MinneMike]

RW can go anywhere and play now or later, but that doesn't mean he has instantly become more mature, more responsible, or less criminal. It simply means that he seeks greener pastures while carrying the same baggage. He still sounds like the priorities confused, night clubbing, rap music wantabe he has been become renowned.

As for him allegedly being enthused for playing at UK, wasn't this the same bit we heard about his desire to play for the University of Minnesota a year ago?

[GopherJake]

RW can go anywhere and play now or later, but that doesn't mean he has instantly become more mature, more responsible, or less criminal. It simply means that he seeks greener pastures while carrying the same baggage. He still sounds like the priorities confused, night clubbing, rap music wantabe he has been become renowned.

As for him allegedly being enthused for playing at UK, wasn't this the same bit we heard about his desire to play for the University of Minnesota a year ago?

Spot on, Minne. I haven't seen evidence of RW being a hardened criminal. I have seen lots of evidence of base immaturity, delusion and holier-than-thou, however. The petty crimes are just that, but it all adds up to a junior high mentality in a man's body.

Grow up, Royce. You are blowing it. You are headed to the "Where are they now file" before you ever even become "There."

[The Big L]

Spot on, Minne. I haven't seen evidence of RW being a hardened criminal. I have seen lots of evidence of base immaturity, delusion and holier-than-thou, however. The petty crimes are just that, but it all adds up to a junior high mentality in a man's body.

Grow up, Royce. You are blowing it. You are headed to the "Where are they now file" before you ever even become "There."

Yep, this is exactly what I see. And I can't see it changing in the near future. Who is going to step and change him, what event? If Tubby and this whole debacle ending up with him out of school hasn't made him evaluate himself and change, I don't know what will (at least in the next few years...)

[gopheraschells]

I think tubby is pushing for royce to go to Kentucky. This is Tubby's super duper secret plan about getting back at Kentucky and bringing them down from the inside through royce "the saboteur" white.

[Go Gophs eh?]

I think tubby is pushing for royce to go to Kentucky. This is Tubby's super duper secret plan about getting back at Kentucky and bringing them down from the inside through royce "the saboteur" white.

hahahaha yes :clap: well done, well done

[cclaufer]

I think tubby is pushing for royce to go to Kentucky. This is Tubby's super duper secret plan about getting back at Kentucky and bringing them down from the inside through royce "the saboteur" white.

funny, that was always my thoughts on seeing Favre go to the Vikings, just one more throw to make sure they don't get to the super bowl..

[The Truth]

If Royce White ends up at Kentucky, turns his life around and becomes successful on and off the court? That's bad news for Tubby Smith and the Gophers. You'll have Bo Ryan and every Big 10 coach whispering in future elite recruits within Minnesota "Why go play there? See what happened to White. You'll be wasted." Whether that is actually true or not won't really matter. The perception will be there and recruiters love to manipulate perception to their advantage.

[Friend Of Tubby]

If Royce White ends up at Kentucky, turns his life around and becomes successful on and off the court? That's bad news for Tubby Smith and the Gophers. You'll have Bo Ryan and every Big 10 coach whispering in future elite recruits within Minnesota "Why go play there? See what happened to White. You'll be wasted." Whether that is actually true or not won't really matter. The perception will be there and recruiters love to manipulate perception to their advantage.

If Obama balances the budget, GDP grows by 8% and unemployment drops to 5%, we'll be in great shape.

More likely than your first sentence.