Recruiting strategy

[frannyjunk]

I am puzzled with the recruiting strategy. The Gophs have signed:

Austin Hollins - 3 star, 6'4" SG
Elliot Eliason - 3 star, 6'11" C
Maurice Walker - 3 star, 6'10" PF
Oto Osenieks - no star, 6'9" PF

Power forwards
First off, I would be more excited if Royce was coming back but with double O's committment, that probably means Royce is as good as gone given that there are 3 PF on the roster (Mbakwe is the other) as of today.

Centers
RSIII will probably continue to start, with Iverson backing him up. EE looks to be a redshirt candidate and Mo Walker may be able to spell RSIII and CI if they get into foul trouble.

Guards
Nolen looks to be a strong candidate to come back for his senior year. He and big brother Joseph will duke it out for the starting job, while Horfarber takes the SG spot. AH and Cobbs will come off the bench ..... if Cobbs stays.

Small forward
There's Rodney Williams. Who's backup????

Why is Tubby taking on a bunch of 3 star (or less in the case of double O) PF/C and neglecting the SF spot??? What gives?

[gopherfan3]

Both Oto and Austin are capable of playing the SF. I see Osenieks getting most his time as a SF, with Hollins playing there as needed.

[Gopher Warrior]

I am puzzled with the recruiting strategy. The Gophs have signed:

Austin Hollins - 3 star, 6'4" SG
Elliot Eliason - 3 star, 6'11" C
Maurice Walker - 3 star, 6'10" PF
Oto Osenieks - no star, 6'9" PF

Why is Tubby taking on a bunch of 3 star (or less in the case of double O) PF/C and neglecting the SF spot??? What gives?

Walker = center, Oto = 3/2.

But, thinking in such strict terms of 5 "well defined and traditional" positions doesn't work in the real world. Both Hollins and Osenieks could fill the role of a wing along with two guards... if they can play.

[GopherFish]

I think we need to fill Trevor's spot since he hasn't resolved his felony charges and its been a year and now it looks like sometime in June is earliest it could get resolved (but its been delayed so many times, we could see it linger like last year). Even if things settle in June--if Trevor is found guilty or plea bargains the charges, I can't see him coming back and we would have a vacant scholarship and all the good prospects will be gone.

I actually think Royce is less of a gamble if he wants to come back and Tubby will take him. I thought Willie Burton said Royce did want to come back and is willing to take summer classes to get on track. Hopefully, Royce can come back as it looks like Cory is going to Texas or Nova and it would be good to have a player of that caliber to lead the team.

[GophersOnTheRise]

I think we need to fill Trevor's spot since he hasn't resolved his felony charges and its been a year and now it looks like sometime in June is earliest it could get resolved (but its been delayed so many times, we could see it linger like last year). Even if things settle in June--if Trevor is found guilty or plea bargains the charges, I can't see him coming back and we would have a vacant scholarship and all the good prospects will be gone.

I actually think Royce is less of a gamble if he wants to come back and Tubby will take him. I thought Willie Burton said Royce did want to come back and is willing to take summer classes to get on track. Hopefully, Royce can come back as it looks like Cory is going to Texas or Nova and it would be good to have a player of that caliber to lead the team.

First of all, you don't just fill spots to fill spots, it's incredibly frustrating that some people think this way. Second of all why in the world would you randomly give up on Trevor now? Your ideas are horrible. Lastly, you have absolutely nothing to base that Cory claim off of. You're completely talking out of your ass.

[JohnnyGopher]

The word today was Tubby wants Oto to primarly play the 4. The big issue I hear from some who are not sold on Oto is who does he guard, not close to big or physical enough to guard most PF's in the BT and too slow to handle most SF's. They are going to have to pick there spots with Oto and really pay attention to matchups until he adds a significant amount of weight. He looks great when he's shooting by himself but the big question is can he do it when he's being defended. The gophers aren't exactly sure what they have with Oto, but we're intrigued enough to sign him.

[beowulftom]

Line-ups....

Pg [tba], Nolen, Cobbs, Allen
Sg Devoe, Hollins
Sf Blake, Williams, Oto
Pf Mbakwe, Walker, Oto, Dawson
C Iverson, RSIII, Walker

[Gopherholefan]

Doesn't this all sound similar to 3 years ago when Hoffarber was coming in? Who does he guard? What position does he play? Oto to me sounds like a taller Hoffarber.

[Friend Of Tubby]

I am puzzled with the recruiting strategy. The Gophs have signed:

Austin Hollins - 3 star, 6'4" SG
Elliot Eliason - 3 star, 6'11" C
Maurice Walker - 3 star, 6'10" PF
Oto Osenieks - no star, 6'9" PF

Power forwards
First off, I would be more excited if Royce was coming back but with double O's committment, that probably means Royce is as good as gone given that there are 3 PF on the roster (Mbakwe is the other) as of today.

Centers
RSIII will probably continue to start, with Iverson backing him up. EE looks to be a redshirt candidate and Mo Walker may be able to spell RSIII and CI if they get into foul trouble.

Guards
Nolen looks to be a strong candidate to come back for his senior year. He and big brother Joseph will duke it out for the starting job, while Horfarber takes the SG spot. AH and Cobbs will come off the bench ..... if Cobbs stays.

Small forward
There's Rodney Williams. Who's backup????

Why is Tubby taking on a bunch of 3 star (or less in the case of double O) PF/C and neglecting the SF spot??? What gives?

Austin Hollins replacing Devron Bostick.

Elliott Eliason replacing Damian Johnson.

Maurice Walker replacing Royce White.

Oto Osenieks replacing Paul Carter.

Hopefully Cory Joseph replacing Lawrence Westbrook.

PS ignore the How Many Stars BS.

[GopherFish]

First of all, you don't just fill spots to fill spots, it's incredibly frustrating that some people think this way. Second of all why in the world would you randomly give up on Trevor now? Your ideas are horrible. Lastly, you have absolutely nothing to base that Cory claim off of. You're completely talking out of your ass.

This board is full of horrible ideas (ie any idea you don't agree with), so if you think mine are horrible join the club.

I think the signs point to Texas as the top option for Cory with Nova as his second choice. Texas is a better program, fits Cory's style of play and his best friend plays there. I would love for Cory to be here just as I would love for Harrison Barnes to be here, but wanting it to happen doesn't mean its likely. While I thought Cory's chances of signing here were about ten percent, the rumors floating around and the fact Tubby is looking at other people seem to confirm my fears that Cory is headed elsewhere.

As for Trevor, I would like to see him play but we won't know til June at earliest and there's a fair chance he won't come back. If we could get a better or comparable player now, we should consider dropping Trevor for not resolving his legal issues.

[GoldenHerbs]

Stars do mean something most of the time, sure there will be some Stephen Currys out there but I am disapointed that this class is so far all 3 stars and lower. I mean wtf we have a coach who has won a national championship, you would think he could land a 4 star kid in every class.

[NurumbiCongo]

I think we need to fill Trevor's spot since he hasn't resolved his felony charges and its been a year and now it looks like sometime in June is earliest it could get resolved (but its been delayed so many times, we could see it linger like last year). Even if things settle in June--if Trevor is found guilty or plea bargains the charges, I can't see him coming back and we would have a vacant scholarship and all the good prospects will be gone.

Yeah, lets have him practice all year because Tubby believes he will be on the court next season and cut him loose now.

http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mbakwedunk.jpeg

[goldygo4]

GoldenHerbs, If the recruiting "experts" were really that good at scouting talent don't you think they would be working for a head coach making lots of $$$? I trust Tubby's evaluation of who should come here.

[NurumbiCongo]

Doesn't this all sound similar to 3 years ago when Hoffarber was coming in? Who does he guard? What position does he play? Oto to me sounds like a taller Hoffarber.

Oto is nothing like Hoff besides that he can shoot the three, hes a much better athlete.

[beowulftom]

Wow... Gopherfish.




This board is full of horrible ideas (ie any idea you don't agree with), so if you think mine are horrible join the club.
Actually, those are two very different things.
Ideas I disagree with.
Ideas I think are horrible.

I think the signs point to Texas as the top option for Cory with Nova as his second choice.
What signs are you referring to? The volcanoe in Iceland?
I DISAGREE.

Texas is a better program,
AHA!!!!!! There it is. Your true reason for all these boneheaded theories. You feel Minnesota is second best to everybody else. You've got low-state-esteem.... While that attitude would work well in a job interview at the Startribune, it doesn't fly with me.
I DISAGREE.

While I thought Cory's chances of signing here were about ten percent,
Dude, we get it. You somehow believe you're doomed to suffer mediocrity, just don't project it out to the Basketball program.
THIS IS A HORRIBLE IDEA.

As for Trevor, I would like to see him play but we won't know til June at earliest and there's a fair chance he won't come back.
WHAT THE *%^^%&@&$ ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

we should consider dropping Trevor for not resolving his legal issues.
THIS IS A HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE IDEA.

[GopherFish]

[QUOTE=NurumbiCongo;215549]Yeah, lets have him practice all year because Tubby believes he will be on the court next season and cut him loose now.

QUOTE]


Well, Tubby's not on the jury. I suspect that they'll hold the scholarship for Trevor, but what happens if Trevor is found guilty or there is evidence that Trevor wasn't completely honest about his situation with Tubby. Can we still get a decent replacement then?

[goldygo4]

No, but 6'9 quality post players like Trevor don't exactly grow on tree's. There is no recruit left that can match Trevor's game. And while were at what if scenarios, what if Sampson III and Iverson quit school and transfer next fall. Can we still get a decent replacement then?

[GopherFish]

Neither Royce nor Trevor present clean situations, but the talent level of each is better than whats available. So if Royce wants to return should Tubby take him back? I say if goal is to get best talent, answer is yes.

[CollegeBBallFan]

I'm going to be patient (try to be) and see how all the different skill sets are blended together. I just like watching " a plan come together" and I'll leave all the work to the guys who get paid for it. The team could present some significant match-up problems for opponents = 6'10" + across the front line. Go Gophers! I wonder if Oto will "sing" for the fans at Tubby's Tipoff? I love his video charisma.

[BigGopherFan]

Both Oto and Austin are capable of playing the SF. I see Osenieks getting most his time as a SF, with Hollins playing there as needed.

Austin Hollins is 6-4 at the tallest. I sincerely doubt he will play SF.

[GopherFish]

No, but 6'9 quality post players like Trevor don't exactly grow on tree's. There is no recruit left that can match Trevor's game. And while were at what if scenarios, what if Sampson III and Iverson quit school and transfer next fall. Can we still get a decent replacement then?

I am not disagreeing with you. I just hear people saying we should move on from Royce and I am not ready to write Royce off when the alternative is a zero/two star and Royce, thru Wilie Burton, is communicating his desire to return. Same goes with Trevor. I'd prefer we have him. I was just trying to weight the pros and cons of having a settled roster now or gambling on future outcomes (ie. Trevor being found innocent and Royce getting back on track) that may produce a more talented roster.

[goldygo4]

But there's quite the difference in how Trevor and Royce reacted to the situations. Trevor has been positive through the whole thing sitting on the side lines cheering on the team, and passing his classes(which had to be tough with the situation he is in), while Royce on the other hand, started making Youtube video's and quit school. And the goal isn't just to get the best talent, its to get the best talent AND teamwork, and unlike Trevor, Royce hasn't exactly acted like a good teammate.

[gopherbadgerman]

This board is full of horrible ideas (ie any idea you don't agree with), so if you think mine are horrible join the club.

I think the signs point to Texas as the top option for Cory with Nova as his second choice. Texas is a better program, fits Cory's style of play and his best friend plays there. I would love for Cory to be here just as I would love for Harrison Barnes to be here, but wanting it to happen doesn't mean its likely. While I thought Cory's chances of signing here were about ten percent, the rumors floating around and the fact Tubby is looking at other people seem to confirm my fears that Cory is headed elsewhere.

As for Trevor, I would like to see him play but we won't know til June at earliest and there's a fair chance he won't come back. If we could get a better or comparable player now, we should consider dropping Trevor for not resolving his legal issues.

Solid points and I agree with you. My problem is that all our eggs are in CJ's basket, and if he does not come to the U, they will could really be hurting.

[Gold Vision]

Solid points and I agree with you. My problem is that all our eggs are in CJ's basket, and if he does not come to the U, they will could really be hurting.

We have 4 other commits. How is offering Cory Joseph putting all our eggs in one basket?

[royboy]

Solid points and I agree with you. My problem is that all our eggs are in CJ's basket, and if he does not come to the U, they will could really be hurting.

badgers class looks the same as ours or even worse, wouldn't you say? and they don't even have a shot at a player like CJ. You gave Tubby's class a C- so do the badgers get a D+? I'm curious to see your grade.

[goldygo4]

We have 4 other commits. How is offering Cory Joseph putting all our eggs in one basket?

Especially when we have Nolen coming back and D. Joseph who showed last year that he's capable of running the point.

[tjgopher]

Part of the problem with trying to examine the recruiting strategy is the idea that Tubby plays five traditional positions. He doesn't usually do that.

He loves a three-guard line-up (really eliminating a SF). He's used it at Kentucky a lot, and he started a three-guard line-up all season this past year at Minnesota.

So, a shortage of SFs isn't necessarily a shortage in Tubby's eyes. In essence, Hoff was his SF all of last year.

[gopherfan3]

-----Austin Hollins is 6-4 at the tallest. I sincerely doubt he will play SF. -----

Well Hoff is 6-4 and i believe as tjgopher just said, he started at the 3 for basically the entire year. He's obviously better suited to play the 2 but in the system that Tubby runs (mostly 3 guards), I wouldn't be shocked if Hollins played some at the 3.

[gopherbadgerman]

We have 4 other commits. How is offering Cory Joseph putting all our eggs in one basket?

at the PG spot, should have clarified.

[gopherbadgerman]

badgers class looks the same as ours or even worse, wouldn't you say? and they don't even have a shot at a player like CJ. You gave Tubby's class a C- so do the badgers get a D+? I'm curious to see your grade.

About the same I agree. C-, although I posted in another thread the Badgers recruit Evan Anderson could be a real solid player. Like Walker. But aside from him, not too good. Not as many holes to fill there though...

[fryguy22]

About the same I agree. C-, although I posted in another thread the Badgers recruit Evan Anderson could be a real solid player. Like Walker. But aside from him, not too good. Not as many holes to fill there though...


Badgers starting backcourt Hughes+Bohannen both gone while half of our starting backcourt (Nolen) likely returns.

I won't rip on an 18 year old kid but having seen Evan Anderson play I can't see him making much of an impact at the Big10 level (i.e. not comparable to Walker). Bo does have a history of coaching up big unathletic white guys so you never know.

[gopherbadgerman]

Badgers starting backcourt Hughes+Bohannen both gone while half of our starting backcourt (Nolen) likely returns.

I won't rip on an 18 year old kid but having seen Evan Anderson play I can't see him making much of an impact at the Big10 level (i.e. not comparable to Walker). Bo does have a history of coaching up big unathletic white guys so you never know.

Time will tell. He had some nice offers, but you never know...I agree overall not a very good class on paper though.

[underground629]

Thanks, I was wondering where there were planning on playing him. Hopefully other teams can't figure out who to guard Oto with either.


The word today was Tubby wants Oto to primarly play the 4. The big issue I hear from some who are not sold on Oto is who does he guard, not close to big or physical enough to guard most PF's in the BT and too slow to handle most SF's. They are going to have to pick there spots with Oto and really pay attention to matchups until he adds a significant amount of weight. He looks great when he's shooting by himself but the big question is can he do it when he's being defended. The gophers aren't exactly sure what they have with Oto, but we're intrigued enough to sign him.

[Roland Brooks]

Just remember Ralpsh Sampson was a 4 star... Just proof whoever hands out the grades arent always on top of it.. Damian Johnson 2 star? Jeff Hagen1 star.. I would take Hagen over Ralph in a minute...

[fryguy22]

Hagens soph yr 10.7 mpg 4.1 ppg 2.9 rpg

Ralph soph yr 25.6 mpg 8.2 ppg 5.8 rpg

Ralph's numbers double Jeff Hagen's; are you sure you would rather have Hagen (after two years) than Ralph (after two years)? Please keep in mind that Ralph still has his (almost always most productive) Junior and Senior years ahead of him

[station19]

Hagens soph yr 10.7 mpg 4.1 ppg 2.9 rpg

Ralph soph yr 25.6 mpg 8.2 ppg 5.8 rpg

Ralph's numbers double Jeff Hagen's; are you sure you would rather have Hagen (after two years) than Ralph (after two years)? Please keep in mind that Ralph still has his (almost always most productive) Junior and Senior years ahead of him

Well said.

[Friend Of Tubby]

5 Star recruits are Top 25 rated - Kris Humphries is recent Gopher example.

4 Star recruits are Top 25-75 rated - Ralph Sampson III is recent Gopher example.

3 Star recruits are Top 75-150 rated - Blake Hoffarber is recent Gopher example.

2 Star recruits are Top 150-300 rated - Damian Johnson is recent Gopher example.

Butler made it to NC game with a roster of mostly 3 Star or 2 Star recruits. It can be done.

Duke OTOH made it to NC game with a roster of mostly 5 Star or 4 Star recruits.

[Roland Brooks]

Fair question. But answer me this has Ralph Sampson played like a 4 star recruit or a 2 star recruit??? Hagen was a 1 star recruit or should I say 0 star recruit- walk on.

I dont think its a coincidence Tubby went after Walker. If you saw the disgusted look on Tubbys face when Ralph would get ripped by a 5'10 guard or the head shakes he would turn and give to his assistants when Ralph couldnt squeeze a rebound it says it all.

Look at Ralphs blog if not for games againt lower, lower leve D-1 teams who's centers were 6'6 Ralph had a great game against Purdue and maybe one other solid game when it mattered.

To date Ralph has not lived up to the hype thats just fact..

[fryguy22]

Ralph #12 ranked C in class of 2008 by rivals.com

Some centers around him (2009-2010 stats):

Henry Sims (#10 C, Georgetown): 1.4 ppp 1.4 rpg
Greg Echenique (#11 C, Rutgers): 12.6 ppg 7.7 rpg
John Riek (#13 C, Miss St): 1.3 ppg, 1.3 rpg
Philip Jurick (#14 C, Tenn) redshirted at Tenn, quit (grades), unable to find what he did this past year

In context Ralph's numbers don't look terrible. I do agree that expectations of him were very high coming in, probably largely due to his dad's reputation, and I do expect him to show improvement this year

[Roland Brooks]

I want Ralph to be a force and help the Gophers win but 65-70 games in he has the same issues. A passive personality is hard to change- its hard to change that.

He doesnt have to be a star I would take Jamaal Magloire, Nazaar Mohammed or a poor man's Jauan Johnson

[Roland Brooks]

What centers were ranked 1-9?

[omniscient]

Sampson outplayed Johnson in both meetings this year. He has been first or second on team in rebounding and block shots his first two years. Hardly passive statistical categories. FG% greater than 50 with positive asssist to turnover ratio. We do not make tournament Ralph's first year if not for his play down stretch in Northwestern game in Big Ten Tourney.

[fryguy22]

What centers were ranked 1-9?

Lazy to look it up right this second but Mullens (Ohio St) was #1 off the top of my head.

[gopherbadgerman]

I agree with some of the posts on Sampson. I think he is solid, and I would take him over Hagen in a second. Better shot blocker and rebounder. Not as polished on offense, but I think that will continue to develop. Towards the end of the year I think Colt was a better player, and was much more aggressive, which is what we needed. I did like how they played high-low together, and I think they will build on it next year.

[tjgopher]

According to Rivals, Sampson was the #12 center. Here's the breakdown. Anyone who cannot see that it takes a little longer for a big to develop isn't paying attention. Only ONE center averaged double digits last year out of the Top 15 centers in America (class of 2008). One is playing in the NBA right now.

1) BJ Mullens, OSU -- 8.8 pts/4.7 (as FR), now a reserve in NBA

2) Ty Walker, Wake Forest -- 1.9 pts/1.4 rebs as SOPH

3) Tony Woods, Wake Forest -- 4.6 pts/3.2 rebs as SOPH

4) J'Mison Morgan, UCLA -- 1.9 pts/1.3 reb as SOPH

5) Kenny Kadji, Florida -- 0.9 pts/0.7 reb as SOPH (injured)

6) Michael Dunnigan , Oregon -- 9.0 pts/4.9 reb as SOPH

7) Tyler Zeller, North Carolina -- 9.3 pts/4.6 reb as SOPH

8) Jeff Withy, Arizona -- sitting out, transfered to Kansas

9) Kenny Frease, Xavier -- 5.1 pts/4.3 rebs as SOPH

10) Henry Sims, Georgetown -- 1.4 pts/1.4 reb as SOPH

11) Greg Engenique, Rutgers -- 12.6 pts/7.7 reb as SOPH

12) Ralph Sampson III, Minnesota -- 8.2 pts/5.2 reb as SOPH

13) John Riek, Mississippi State -- 1.3 pts/1.3 reb as SOPH

14) Phillip Jurik, Tennessee -- transfer to Chattanooga JUCO

15) Jared Bergrenn, Wisconsin -- 1.1 pts/0.4 reb as SOPH


Out of that Class of 2008 Top 15 - Ralph was the 4th leading scorer (8.2 pts) and 2nd leading rebounder (5.2 reb) in the country last year!!

[GopherFish]

Wow... Gopherfish.

"I think the signs point to Texas as the top option for Cory with Nova as his second choice.
What signs are you referring to? The volcanoe in Iceland?
I DISAGREE."

LOL. You criticize me when I told you the truth and what was painfully obvious if you didn't let your homer biases cloud your thinking. Cory was a longshot to come here. Cory obviously wants to get to the NBA as quickly as he can and there is a perception that Tubby's program is not a good one for showcasing individual talent. Cory mentioned style of play as an important criteria-and reading between the lines, I pretty much knew he was going elsewhere unless Texas and Nova had better PGs to block Cory's playing time. Second, his best friend Tris signed there. Third, sometimes having an older brother is actually a detriment--since the more talented younger brother wants to get out of his brother's shadow. Fourth, if Cory had wanted to be a Gopher, he had no reason to string us out. I said Gophers had about a ten percent chance of signing Cory--and it turns out that was generous.

[Friend Of Tubby]

"I think the signs point to Texas as the top option for Cory with Nova as his second choice.
What signs are you referring to? The volcanoe in Iceland?
I DISAGREE."

LOL. You criticize me when I told you the truth and what was painfully obvious if you didn't let your homer biases cloud your thinking. Cory was a longshot to come here. Cory obviously wants to get to the NBA as quickly as he can and there is a perception that Tubby's program is not a good one for showcasing individual talent. Cory mentioned style of play as an important criteria-and reading between the lines, I pretty much knew he was going elsewhere unless Texas and Nova had better PGs to block Cory's playing time. Second, his best friend Tris signed there. Third, sometimes having an older brother is actually a detriment--since the more talented younger brother wants to get out of his brother's shadow. Fourth, if Cory had wanted to be a Gopher, he had no reason to string us out. I said Gophers had about a ten percent chance of signing Cory--and it turns out that was generous.

Tayshaun Prince, Keith Bogans, Chuck Hayes, Kelenna Azubuike, Rajon Rondo, Randolph Morris, Jodie Meeks (et al) might disagree with you.

[underground629]

How did it turn out that 10% was generous? Did Cory break down the percentages today?


"I think the signs point to Texas as the top option for Cory with Nova as his second choice.
What signs are you referring to? The volcanoe in Iceland?
I DISAGREE."

LOL. You criticize me when I told you the truth and what was painfully obvious if you didn't let your homer biases cloud your thinking. Cory was a longshot to come here. Cory obviously wants to get to the NBA as quickly as he can and there is a perception that Tubby's program is not a good one for showcasing individual talent. Cory mentioned style of play as an important criteria-and reading between the lines, I pretty much knew he was going elsewhere unless Texas and Nova had better PGs to block Cory's playing time. Second, his best friend Tris signed there. Third, sometimes having an older brother is actually a detriment--since the more talented younger brother wants to get out of his brother's shadow. Fourth, if Cory had wanted to be a Gopher, he had no reason to string us out. I said Gophers had about a ten percent chance of signing Cory--and it turns out that was generous.

[GopherFish]

Tayshaun Prince, Keith Bogans, Chuck Hayes, Kelenna Azubuike, Rajon Rondo, Randolph Morris, Jodie Meeks (et al) might disagree with you.

Actually, they might disagree with YOU. How many of them were rated as high as Cory and chose to play for Tubby? Daily Gopher said Tubby's system might be hindrance to landing a recruit like Cory Joseph. Even Cory said he wanted an uptempo system, not grind out system like at Minnesota.

[GopherFish]

How did it turn out that 10% was generous? Did Cory break down the percentages today?

Chances of Cory are zero as I type and I said 10%. Do the math!

[fryguy22]

Chances of Cory are zero as I type and I said 10%. Do the math!

Good point, since it is in any way possible, relevant, or fair to evaluate the probability of something thats GOING to occur AFTER the event occurs.

On a related note, nobody but Duke ever had any chance at winning the national championship this year....why did the other teams even bother to show up? ;)

[GopherFish]

Good point, since it is in any way possible, relevant, or fair to evaluate the probability of something thats GOING to occur AFTER the event occurs.

On a related note, nobody but Duke ever had any chance at winning the national championship this year....why did the other teams even bother to show up? ;)

And your point is exactly what?

[fryguy22]

My point is that it is ridiculous for you to say the chances "were" less than 10% AFTER cory has made his decision....were you really unable to infer that from my analogy?

Nobody really knows what our chances "were", but my guess would be 20% - 1 in 5. Just so you can understand "the math".....

Cory= going to attend one school.
U of M= a finalist for Cory.
Finalists=5.

U of M= 1/5

1/5=20%

Hope that helps.

[GopherFish]

My point is that it is ridiculous for you to say the chances "were" less than 10% AFTER cory has made his decision....were you really unable to infer that from my analogy?

Nobody really knows what our chances "were", but my guess would be 20% - 1 in 5. Just so you can understand "the math".....

Cory= going to attend one school.
U of M= a finalist for Cory.
Finalists=5.

U of M= 1/5

1/5=20%

Hope that helps.

And your point is what?? That you are incapable of analyzing and weighting the odds of an event. In case you didn't get the memo, Texas was an odds on favorite to be Cory's destination and Villanova was likely his second choice.

[Friend Of Tubby]

Actually, they might disagree with YOU. How many of them were rated as high as Cory and chose to play for Tubby? Daily Gopher said Tubby's system might be hindrance to landing a recruit like Cory Joseph. Even Cory said he wanted an uptempo system, not grind out system like at Minnesota.

Prince Top 10. Bogans Top 5. Hayes Top 25. Azubuike Top 25. Morris Top 10. Rondo Top 25. Meeks Top 40.

Each was HS A-A (either McDonalds, Parade, Student=EA Sports and/or Street & Smith).

[fryguy22]

I said Gophers had about a ten percent chance of signing Cory--and it turns out that was generous.


My point is that it is ridiculous for you to say the chances "were" less than 10% AFTER cory has made his decision.

Do you seriously still not understand this?

Here, this might be of use to you.

http://mnabe.themlc.org/

[Roland Brooks]

UNLV had 0% chance of gettting Joseph... so it's not 1/5

[GopherFish]

Do you seriously still not understand this?

Here, this might be of use to you.

http://mnabe.themlc.org/

Its ridiculous for you to put so much time into attacking me for saying that the Gopher's chances of signing Cory were 10% and later calling that generous. My point of saying it was generous was that in hindsight it was 0, after Cory made announcement.

[GopherFish]

My point is that it is ridiculous for you to say the chances "were" less than 10% AFTER cory has made his decision....were you really unable to infer that from my analogy?

Nobody really knows what our chances "were", but my guess would be 20% - 1 in 5. Just so you can understand "the math".....

Cory= going to attend one school.
U of M= a finalist for Cory.
Finalists=5.

U of M= 1/5

1/5=20%

Hope that helps.

20% seemed overly generous given that the heavy odds that Cory had in signing with Texas and then Villanova before Minnesota. Ten percent was more reasonable.

[z-stein]

20% seemed overly generous given that the heavy odds that Cory had in signing with Texas and then Villanova before Minnesota. Ten percent was more reasonable.

There is a problem with assigning odds to decisions. They are not random events. Talking about the odds makes it sound like Cory is randomly drawing his choice with some schools having better odds than others, and that is obviously not the case.

[BarnBoy]

Actually, they might disagree with YOU. How many of them were rated as high as Cory and chose to play for Tubby? Daily Gopher said Tubby's system might be hindrance to landing a recruit like Cory Joseph. Even Cory said he wanted an uptempo system, not grind out system like at Minnesota.


Prince Top 10. Bogans Top 5. Hayes Top 25. Azubuike Top 25. Morris Top 10. Rondo Top 25. Meeks Top 40.

Each was HS A-A (either McDonalds, Parade, Student Sports and/or Street & Smith).

Oh snap. Someone got served.

[gopherbadgerman]

And your point is what?? That you are incapable of analyzing and weighting the odds of an event. In case you didn't get the memo, Texas was an odds on favorite to be Cory's destination and Villanova was likely his second choice.

UCONN was #2, IMO...it was between Texas and UCONN.

[underground629]

Obviously the chances of signing him are zero now... How can you put odds on what the chances of signing him were? Maybe you don't know what the word chance means. When you flip a coin, there's a 50/50 chance for heads or tails. If it ends up heads, that doesn't mean tails had a 0% chance just because it wasn't the end result. You can't say there was a 0% chance of Cory signing here just because he signed with Texas. You can't really put odds on a choice like that.


Chances of Cory are zero as I type and I said 10%. Do the math!

[underground629]

Thank you. I'm glad someone else pointed out how stupid that logic of his was.


Good point, since it is in any way possible, relevant, or fair to evaluate the probability of something thats GOING to occur AFTER the event occurs.

On a related note, nobody but Duke ever had any chance at winning the national championship this year....why did the other teams even bother to show up? ;)