Another over the top Brew Quote

[nemosgold]

On our new OC:

"It could be relatively soon," he said. "It's not going to be long. I think the hire will be an absolute knockout. An absolute killer shot."

Is the new hire a "killer shot"?

[GophersInIowa]

Hasn't this been brought to everyone's attention like 8 times already?

[Schnoodler]

I think he may over estimate the general publics ability to understand what constitutes a killer hire. I've a feeling in the coaching world this is a killer hire.

[btowngopher]

He could say the most ridiculous nonsense things ever and I would not give a damn as long as he wins. What are people's obsessions with Brewster's quotes?

[nemosgold]

Honesty????

[MinnesotaMadman]

I would rather have him say:
"It could be relatively soon," he said. "It's not going to be long. I think the hire will be an absolute knockout. An absolute killer shot."

Than:
"It could be relatively soon," he said. "It's not going to be long. I think the hire will be adequate at what he does. A real average guy."

[nemosgold]

Hope I'm really wrong but he reminds me of:

Ed Orgeron

I rather have him say we're working on a replacement. I also believe he said they guy would have NFL experience.

I hope Josh does a great job, who knows.

[lawrence21]

If Brew says it's going to be a knockout hire and a killer shot and He hires the person, He must believe that person is a knockout, therefore his statement is true. Your interpretation of his statement or view of the hire has nothing to do with Brews quote or the emotion he chooses to show.

Also where is everybody getting this "NFL experience" thing? where was it written?

[harrys ghost]

Also, killer shot means different things to different people. I ran this hire by my wife, who I finally talked into going to the games this year (She is not a big sports fan). However, she was pretty fired up about the hire. The positives appear to be 1) Oklahoma, 2) first-rate college QB (Oklahoma didn't hurt) and 3) coached the Heisman winner this year. I didn't really expect her to react one way or the other. Since she was pretty excited, this may very well be viewed as a "killer shot" by the casual fan.

I think many of the hardcore fans view a "killer shot" OC as the guy has already been a highly successful OC. As other people have pointed out, it's hard to get that type of hire here given our budget and overall state of the program.

Since he was an OC here, I took a look at Mike Shanahan's profile. He was a college QB at Eastern Illinois. His playing days were cut short by a ruptured kidney. In 1975 he was an assistant at Oklahoma. In 1976 and 1977 he was the running back coach at Northern Arizona. In 1978 he was the OC at Eastern Illinois. In 1979 he was OC at Minnesota. Would this have looked like a "killer shot" hire? Didn't to me at the time but he put together a scary good offense with a minimum of talent. Then in 1980 he went to Florida as OC for three years before going to the Broncos and the NFL. "Killer shot"? (Although, I did check Eastern Illinois was the 1978 Division II champ. They were runner up in 1980.)

[lawrence21]

I think Heupel is much more of a home run than Chuck Long or most any other name I have heard circulating around. Except maybe norm chow, but he's old.

[The 12th Man]

He could say the most ridiculous nonsense things ever and I would not give a damn as long as he wins. What are people's obsessions with Brewster's quotes?

It is a cultural thing. Minnesotans don't like enthusiasm. Winter is too long for enthusiasm to exist. Pessimism and angst, however? Yah, you betcha.

[Goldteam]

excuse me?????

just what exactly do you call a guy who is going to make the gopher offense unstoppable two years from now and rolling up 40 on USC in the Rose Bowl?

i believe the correct phrase is "killer shot"

[nemosgold]

We'll see, I hope everyone is right.

Some of you should read "A Few Seconds of Panic"

http://www.amazon.com/Few-Seconds-Panic-43-Year-Old-Sportswriter/dp/1594201781

See what the rpos thought of Brew's enthusiasm.

[dpodoll68]

I also don't know where the "NFL experience" bit came from, but if you want to get technical, note that it doesn't say "NFL coaching experience". Heupel does have a minute amount of NFL experience, playing in one training camp with the Dolphins.

[MRJ]

I just don't get why people get on Brewster for being positive and enthusiastic. :confused: It just strikes me as plain stupid to rip a guy for being upbeat.

If he was the opposite, would people like him better? Do you really want a coach who says stuff like "well, maybe we'll be good someday. But I doubt it. Right now, all we want to do is maintain." or someone who thinks we can do better?

[caliGopher]

I would rather have him say:
"It could be relatively soon," he said. "It's not going to be long. I think the hire will be an absolute knockout. An absolute killer shot."

Than:
"It could be relatively soon," he said. "It's not going to be long. I think the hire will be adequate at what he does. A real average guy."


"It could be realtively soon," he said. "It's not going to be long. I think the hire will be the right guy for Minnesota and we'll be lucky to get the strategy, coaching ability, and recruiting acumen we're looking for in this position." He went on to say "He will take the start we have on creating an exciting offense to another level, and I can't wait to get started with him on board."

Positive? Check.
Realistic? Check.
Sends the right message to the team and recruits? Check.
Not completely full of sh!t? Check.

It can be done with enthusiasm and hype, and without snake oil, just not by our current Head Coach.

I'm a little frightened that "the way Brewster says things is the only way to say them and anyone who disagrees is wrong." is the mentality on this board. Brewster has not demonstrated a level of competency to give him the "free pass" for bullsh!t comments like the original quote. Back it up, then he's colorful and we love him.

Keep saying it and failing to deliver, and he just makes moving the program forward harder with every dimwitted hyperbolic statement. Shut up and do something on the field, then cock off.

[nemosgold]

Nice Cali,

This was from today's PP blog, it's better.

As for the timetable on naming a new offensive coordinator, Brewster said Friday, "It will happen sooner than later. I have a really good feel and handle on it. I’m excited about the possibilities.”

[btowngopher]

Honesty????

Actually I don't really care if he is all that honest, as long as he is respectful to the program and to his staff/players and as long as he wins games. You aren't dating the man, you are watching him coach football. Quit crying about such meaningless things.

[nemosgold]

I'm 50/50 on Brew, definitely wouldn't spend a penny on renewing his contract. We have a guy at Williams that deserves that first.

Honesty is a big issue with me, I know he has one recruit who he made decide in a day on his offer at Minnesota, kid accepeted offer, now he wants the kid to gray shirt after he blew his knee out, most coaches stand by kids they have made offers to that are injured.

[btowngopher]

I'm 50/50 on Brew, definitely wouldn't spend a penny on renewing his contract. We have a guy at Williams that deserves that first.

Honesty is a big issue with me, I know he has one recruit who he made decide in a day on his offer at Minnesota, kid accepeted offer, now he wants the kid to gray shirt after he blew his knee out, most coaches stand by kids they have made offers to that are injured.

Not sure how asking the kid to gray shirt makes him dishonest. How does gray shirting the kid mean he isn't standing by him? Even if Brewster isn't honest (saying enthusiastic and optimistic things does not make him dishonest) if he wins games I will still stand behind him (as long as it isn't serious stuff like cheating).

[GoldenGo4Fan]

..........I know he has one recruit who he made decide in a day on his offer at Minnesota, kid accepeted offer, now he wants the kid to gray shirt after he blew his knee out, most coaches stand by kids they have made offers to that are injured.

It seems you must be more upset about it than the recruit. If the recruit is as upset about it as you appear to be I would think he would be looking to go to school elsewhere.

I also don't see this as not standing by this recruit. In fact I see it as he is looking out for this athlete that has as you said "blown out a knee".

[WAGopher]

Not sure how asking the kid to gray shirt makes him dishonest. How does gray shirting the kid mean he isn't standing by him? Even if Brewster isn't honest (saying enthusiastic and optimistic things does not make him dishonest) if he wins games I will still stand behind him (as long as it isn't serious stuff like cheating).

Gray shirting can be a good thing for a player who is already injured before getting to school. It gives him more healing time without using eligibility, allows him to get to school in January to start training and participate in spring practice, and it gives him time to get acclimated to college without having the added workload of preparing for a game every week.

[MNfootballfan]

If Brew says it's going to be a knockout hire and a killer shot and He hires the person, He must believe that person is a knockout, therefore his statement is true. Your interpretation of his statement or view of the hire has nothing to do with Brews quote or the emotion he chooses to show.

Also where is everybody getting this "NFL experience" thing? where was it written?

I read a book and Lou Holtz...

"... After being named the head coach at NCSU, I was highly disappointed over my lack of success in signing players to join our program. I showed up at the coaches convention in Chicago feeling down and sorry for myself. When I arrived at the hotel, I saw former Temple coach Wayne Hardin in the lobby. Wayne said he wanted to buy me a drink.

Soon he picked up on my low mood. Instead of concoling me or commiserating with me, Wayne asked, "Lou, are you the best coach in the country?" I felt about two inches tall at the time, so I looked at Wayne and said, "Goodness gracious no! I want to be on of the best coaches, but I'm not even in the top 100." He responded, "Then you ought to resign. N.C. State hired you because they thought you are the best coach in the country, and you ought to believe it, or you ought to leave..."

Brewsters quote was, "I think..." Brewster believes he will hire a great coach. I don't see any scenerio where Brewster doesn't try to hire the best OC that he can. Little F.Y.I. for all of us. If Brewster loses every job next year or runs a horrible program, he is the man without a job and he is the one who loses a head coaching job - something that has been his dream. Everybody has a plan, let them stick to their plan. I don't know if any of us have sat in a football meeting with Huepel, or Cosgrove for that matter, and talked football with him.

For the record, Huepel's track record is excellent - I don't think any of us can disagree with that. I love the hire of Huepel if that is indeed who we get. He was actually #2 on my list of guys, behind Applewhite. I am not as excited about Cosgrove, but well reserve most of my judgement for next fall.

[GopherGod]

"It could be realtively soon," he said. "It's not going to be long. I think the hire will be the right guy for Minnesota and we'll be lucky to get the strategy, coaching ability, and recruiting acumen we're looking for in this position." He went on to say "He will take the start we have on creating an exciting offense to another level, and I can't wait to get started with him on board."

Positive? Check.
Realistic? Check.
Sends the right message to the team and recruits? Check.
Not completely full of sh!t? Check.

It can be done with enthusiasm and hype, and without snake oil, just not by our current Head Coach.

I'm a little frightened that "the way Brewster says things is the only way to say them and anyone who disagrees is wrong." is the mentality on this board. Brewster has not demonstrated a level of competency to give him the "free pass" for bullsh!t comments like the original quote. Back it up, then he's colorful and we love him.

Keep saying it and failing to deliver, and he just makes moving the program forward harder with every dimwitted hyperbolic statement. Shut up and do something on the field, then cock off.

I cannot agree more. Just because a fan doesn't agree with the coach does not mean you are anti-gophers. I have been attending games before Brewster arrived on campus and will be doing so long after he has left, cheering for the team and players.

[lawrence21]

that Bob Stoops thinks Heupel is a absolute knockout, a killer shot (so do 2 Heisman trophy winning QB's). If he's good enough for Bob Stoops he's good enough for us.

[WHB Brewer]

Think about it this way.... would you rather have a guy like Brewster, with his colorful, honest enthusiasm who is always doing what he can to promote his program?
Or would you rather have a dull, boring guy like Brad Childress, who refuses to give one bit of insight and talks like he's the smartest guy in the room, but the emotion of a worm?

I'd take Brewster's "over the top" enthusiasm anyday of the week.

[nemosgold]

I hope Brew succeeds but, I'd rather have a guy like TUBBBY SMITH running our football program.

[lawrence21]

The programs needed 2 completely different things and both got what they needed.

[GopherGod]

I hope Brew succeeds but, I'd rather have a guy like TUBBBY SMITH running our football program.

You mean a guy who you could trust and you would want your kid to play for who is able to successfully recruit based on his accomplishments versus tooting his own horn. Someone who has proven his ability to coach and doesn't use lack of talent as a crutch or excuse. Also someone who is loyal to his staff and in return his staff has and will follow him anywhere.

[GophersInIowa]

You mean a guy who you could trust and you would want your kid to play for who is able to successfully recruit based on his accomplishments versus tooting his own horn. Someone who has proven his ability to coach and doesn't use lack of talent as a crutch or excuse. Also someone who is loyal to his staff and in return his staff has and will follow him anywhere.

As for the first comment, does it really matter how he gets the good recruits? The only thing Gopher fans should care about is the fact that Brewster is doing a very good job of recruiting. At one point Tubby was in the exact same situation as Brewster. It would have been tough for Tubby to "recruit based on his accomplishments" when he was a fairly new coach, don't you think? Even without a lot of "accomplishments" as a head coach, Brewster is still able to bring in better recruiting classes than we've had in a long time (or maybe ever).

Your comment about loyalty makes no sense, would you rather Brewster keep coaches that are not on the same page as the rest of the staff? This is just the world of coaching in college now days. What about Ted Roof then, was he not loyal to Brewster who hired him?

[nemosgold]

Tubby won right away at Tulsa, Georgia, Kentucky and MINNESOTA. The hoops program was in a lot worse shape than when Brew took over, WE WENT TO THE SAME BOWL that every one is praising Brew for two years ago.

I know it takes less players to win in hoops but, we have a ton of guys who play and contribute in hoops.

How about coaching adjustments, the Gophers are a great second half team in hoops.

It's time to walk the talk in the football program.

[GophersInIowa]

Tubby won right away at Tulsa, Georgia, Kentucky and MINNESOTA. The hoops program was in a lot worse shape than when Brew took over, WE WENT TO THE SAME BOWL that every one is praising Brew for two years ago.

I know it takes less players to win in hoops but, we have a ton of guys who play and contribute in hoops.

How about coaching adjustments, the Gophers are a great second half team in hoops.

It's time to walk the talk in the football program.

Not a big deal but Tulsa was actually 17-13 and 15-14 in his first two years there so it did take him a few years to be successful. I just thought it was funny how gophergod was pretty much saying Tubby recruits the right way because he uses his success. Well at one time Tubby was an average and fairly new coach so he couldn't use his success when recruiting until he had a few years under his belt. Don't get me wrong, I love Tubby and am extremely happy that he's our basketball coach, but it's a little unfair to compare Brewster to Tubby at this point in his career.

I do agree though, the 2009 season is a big year for Brewster and his team needs to show improvement.

[nemosgold]

What was Tulsa'a record before he got there?

[GophersInIowa]

What was Tulsa'a record before he got there?

The three seasons before Tubby got there, Tulsa was 18-12, 17-13, and 18-13

[GopherGod]

The three seasons before Tubby got there, Tulsa was 18-12, 17-13, and 18-13


So he pretty much held par then with his predecessor there. Not quite on the level of a 1-11 dropoff.

[Gopherjer]

True to form you had to get in your little Brewster dig. The only flaw in your thoughts is that Brewster was left with an empty roster.
Can I ask you a legit question, why do you dislike Brewster so much and do not have one positive post? I can see if you were truly objective and posted both the good and bad, but there seems to be a group that post here that have an agenda.

[minngg]

Comparing the football program to the basketball program? I guess people will go to any lengths to criticize Brewster. I suggest those that want to change coaches again quickly, review the coaching careers of Ferentz, Alvarez, Mangino, etc. See if they "held serve" when they came in to overhaul a program. Naysayers may want to wait until a football teams recruits are more than true freshmen before they judge a coach. At Wake Forest, when their coach took over he redshirted every player he recruited his first year. Told everyone he would lose for awhile, but in the long run it would pay off. How many here have that type of patience for our coach? Tubby got run out of Lexington. Did he take a step back when he took over? A national championship? It is way too early to judge a coach in football. It takes longer. Do some research instead of whining.

[Gopherjer]

Exactly, comparing football and basketball is flawed. With basketball you need a couple great players and only five play at a time, football two players help but do not have the same impact.

I will repeat again Brewster really has only one recruiting class, the first class was not his recruits. Can he coach, not sure but lets give him two more years and we will find out. Why blame Brewster for Mason getting fired, he had nothing to do with it.

[GophersInIowa]

Exactly, comparing football and basketball is flawed. With basketball you need a couple great players and only five play at a time, football two players help but do not have the same impact.

I will repeat again Brewster really has only one recruiting class, the first class was not his recruits. Can he coach, not sure but lets give him two more years and we will find out. Why blame Brewster for Mason getting fired, he had nothing to do with it.

So you're saying having 13 scholarships to fill is not the same as 85? I thought they were. :rolleyes:

[GopherGod]

True to form you had to get in your little Brewster dig. The only flaw in your thoughts is that Brewster was left with an empty roster.
Can I ask you a legit question, why do you dislike Brewster so much and do not have one positive post? I can see if you were truly objective and posted both the good and bad, but there seems to be a group that post here that have an agenda.

Oh thanks for clearing that up because I forgot Tubby had so much talent when he got here. That would explain why I see Lawrence McKenzie, Spencer Tollackson, and Dan Coleman in the NBA. I will not apologize for wanting more and expecting more for my university that what I believe Tim Brewster can provide. I simply want a coach that I think represents himself and the university in a dignified manner and is someone that you could trust your son to play for. There has been some behavior that I have seen that has led me to question his character, not to mention his coaching ability. I will say however that he is a effective recruiter.

[lawrence21]

any examples where you question his character?

[minngg]

Oh thanks for clearing that up because I forgot Tubby had so much talent when he got here. That would explain why I see Lawrence McKenzie, Spencer Tollackson, and Dan Coleman in the NBA. I will not apologize for wanting more and expecting more for my university that what I believe Tim Brewster can provide. I simply want a coach that I think represents himself and the university in a dignified manner and is someone that you could trust your son to play for. There has been some behavior that I have seen that has led me to question his character, not to mention his coaching ability. I will say however that he is a effective recruiter.

I didn't realize that Tubby only inherited seniors last season. He did not inherit Nolan or Hoff or Westbrook or Johnson. I have an idea, let's go get a coach in football that has won a national championship like Tubby did.
Since you do not want to wait for a rebuilding process (and yes, one was needed unless you think year after year of sub - .500 Big Ten records is something to sustain) I suggest we offer Pete Carroll or Bob Stoops or Urban Meyer. I am sure MN is high on their lists for attractive jobs especially with the abundance of in-state talent here. I think we have 2 top 150 players from MN this year. Who wouldn't want to come here?
Why can't you just come clean and say that Brewster rubs you the wrong way. That you dislike guys with outgoing, positive personalities? Just be honest.

[Monty519]

Why are we comparing Tubby with Brewster? First off, that's not even fair. Tubby has developed himself into a full fledged HOF type coach. Brewster is in year 2. Secondly, to compare the talent in football and basketball ain't right. The basketball team here has had some decent talent roll through here, and yet, only one NCAA tourney berth. If you look at the recruiting classes that have come through here, they were of a decent level, 3 stars all over throughout. Look at the guys currently making hay for the Gophers, guys like Al Nolen, Blake Hoffarber, Damian Johnson, Lawrence Westbrook....all 3 star players, and in Hoffarber's case, was considered a top 100 prospect on ESPN. As much ribbing Tollackson takes, he was considered a highly rated 3 star guy. Dan Coleman was as well. There has been and is talent in Minnesota basketball to work with. It's unfortunate that for whatever reason, Dan Monson was unable to turn that into much. Whatever that reason is, he was not coaching them up to what they should have been. The basketball program wasn't in shambles like everyone tries to make it sound like. They just needed a good coach. In enters Tubby, with a HOF-like resume. We all KNEW he would have success, would have been quite disappointed if he hadn't really.

Now, we turn to the football situation. After the Texas Tech disaster, the Gophers were 6-7. They were going to lose their senior quarterback, and eventually 3 very important defensive starters, plus graduates. If you look at the recruiting classes from 2004-2006, you almost have to laugh. NO high level talent whatsoever. On Rivals, the highest rated prospect in 2004 was a 5.6. In fact, I think the basketball team drew in only one less 3 star recruit than did the football team (PATHETIC!!) In 2005, it was Alex Daniels, a 5.9, but we know what happened there, so the next highest rated was a swap of 5.5 guys. In 2006, it was 5.6, 3 of those guys never played a down here (Jamar Howard, Robert McField, and Terrence Sherrer, not positive on Sherrer). So...Brewster inherits a squad where the best talent was in that 5.5 rating range coming out of high school. Now there are diamonds in the rough, players like Decker, WVS, etc., but you can't expect to compete for long with that kind of scarcity of talent. And it was not always the case that this team was that depleted in the Mason era. Early on, he drew in some nice recruits. For some reason, after the Maroney year where they got some good players, it dried up. And with it, so did the quality on the field. Mason was about to encounter an embarrassing 2007 season, not 1-11 embarrassing, but likely 3 or 4 win embarrassing. They were already close the year before, starting 3-6 before Cupito salvaged the season. Recruiting was still sucking, Mason was sucking, and the entire program had ZERO heat at all. No one even cared about it. In comes Brewster, 1-11, bad, yes. Then now 7-6, while using the few good Mason players as well as sprinkling in some freshmen. Now, another season, another top 30 recruiting class where the worst player rated is some of the best stuff Mason had brought in the previous four seasons. Brewster is turning this program around, whether people here want to admit it or not. Bring in another one of these top 30 classes, and you will see Minnesota make noise in 2010 on a national scope.

[GopherGod]

I didn't realize that Tubby only inherited seniors last season. He did not inherit Nolan or Hoff or Westbrook or Johnson. I have an idea, let's go get a coach in football that has won a national championship like Tubby did.
Since you do not want to wait for a rebuilding process (and yes, one was needed unless you think year after year of sub - .500 Big Ten records is something to sustain) I suggest we offer Pete Carroll or Bob Stoops or Urban Meyer. I am sure MN is high on their lists for attractive jobs especially with the abundance of in-state talent here. I think we have 2 top 150 players from MN this year. Who wouldn't want to come here?
Why can't you just come clean and say that Brewster rubs you the wrong way. That you dislike guys with outgoing, positive personalities? Just be honest.

Removing coaching ability and all of that out of the picture. I have no problems with people with outgoing, positive personalities. From a personality standpoint Jim Wacker was one of my favorite coaches ever and probably the most positive, outgoing person I have ever met. His speeches were some of the most inspiring and amazing that I have ever heard. The difference between those two guys imo is one of them you felt like the person you saw with the cameras on was the same with the cameras off and the other person I do not feel that. Let's be realistic as well, I know that Pete Carroll or Urban Meyer would not come here but do I think that there were and are still today more qualified coaches out there that would be interested, simply put yes. I also am realistic and know that this is not likely to change within the next 2 years atleast, but it doesn't mean that I cannot ask or expect my alma mater to strive for more.

[Gopherjer]

Monty you nailed it, finally someone who laid it out perfectly. The team Brewter fielded in 2007 had very little talent and remember WVS was injured that year. Amazing a year later after talent was injected they went 7-6. Mason would not have done much better, no talent to work with. Brewster changed to the spread, just look what happened to Michigan, and all they have is all americans on that team and they still went 3-8.

[NC 2 MN]

Why are we comparing Tubby with Brewster?

Brewster is turning this program around, whether people here want to admit it or not. Bring in another one of these top 30 classes, and you will see Minnesota make noise in 2010 on a national scope.

Nicely put, Monty

[GoAUpher]

Removing coaching ability and all of that out of the picture. I have no problems with people with outgoing, positive personalities. From a personality standpoint Jim Wacker was one of my favorite coaches ever and probably the most positive, outgoing person I have ever met. His speeches were some of the most inspiring and amazing that I have ever heard. The difference between those two guys imo is one of them you felt like the person you saw with the cameras on was the same with the cameras off and the other person I do not feel that. Let's be realistic as well, I know that Pete Carroll or Urban Meyer would not come here but do I think that there were and are still today more qualified coaches out there that would be interested, simply put yes. I also am realistic and know that this is not likely to change within the next 2 years atleast, but it doesn't mean that I cannot ask or expect my alma mater to strive for more.

You still haven't explained what behavior makes you question his character. Its clear that you are on board with Reusse in believing that Brewster is some type of "phony". I don't care if you don't like Brewster and don't think he is the right guy for the job. That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I don't think you are anti-Gopher because of it. But if you are going to rip on Brew for making bold statements and not backing them up I think you should do better than to do the same yourself.

I think he has great character. Here's the personal experiences of two people I am very close to that make me think so. My wife does a great job of hunting down Gopher related gifts for X-mas. But last year she was drawing a blank. So she tracked down Brewster’s e-mail and asked him if he had any suggestions for a die-hard Gopher fan. In the middle of the final push of recruiting he responded within 48 hours with 3 suggestions. One of my friends is a U alum and teaches at a suburban elementary school. She asked if Coach Brewster would come in with a player or two to speak to her students last winter. He did so and she said she couldn’t believe how great he was with the kids. She figured he’d talk quick about something basic and instead he got them all excited about the Gophers and the U. She ran into him this fall and said hello. She figured he wouldn’t remember her but instead he addressed her by name, asked if this year’s students were as great as the ones he met last year, and asked if he could come back this winter after recruiting was finished. Every other person I’ve talked to who has interacted with him on a personal level has had the same positive impressions.

I’m sorry, but I don’t get the vibe that this guy is a phony and I’d like to hear something that backs up your character comments.

[GoAUpher]

Removing coaching ability and all of that out of the picture. I have no problems with people with outgoing, positive personalities. From a personality standpoint Jim Wacker was one of my favorite coaches ever and probably the most positive, outgoing person I have ever met. His speeches were some of the most inspiring and amazing that I have ever heard. The difference between those two guys imo is one of them you felt like the person you saw with the cameras on was the same with the cameras off and the other person I do not feel that. Let's be realistic as well, I know that Pete Carroll or Urban Meyer would not come here but do I think that there were and are still today more qualified coaches out there that would be interested, simply put yes. I also am realistic and know that this is not likely to change within the next 2 years atleast, but it doesn't mean that I cannot ask or expect my alma mater to strive for more.

Also, I’d like to point out that if coaching ability and “all of that” (which seems to be your way of downplaying the important of Tubby’s long history as a head coach) are removed from the picture then there is no basis for your comparison in the first place! Great argument there…

[GopherGod]

Also, I’d like to point out that if coaching ability and “all of that” (which seems to be your way of downplaying the important of Tubby’s long history as a head coach) are removed from the picture then there is no basis for your comparison in the first place! Great argument there…

In this particular post when I stated removing coaching ability and all of that from the picture I was referencing how I liked Coach Wacker as a person, though didn't always like his results on the field. We can compare stories and experiences with Coach Brewster back and forth all day long and each of our individual experiences will shape our personal views of him. Yours were clearly positive it sounds, which I am happy for you, mine were not which I why we will continue to have differing views of him as a person. I am not a fan of a coach that uses a player as a punch line in a speech as an "example of the type of kid we want at Minnesota" in a National Football Foundation dinner that I attended and then after the event rudely ignores the kid and his coach as if they didn't exist. That is just one example as you requested. I do not want to turn this into a competition however of who has the most positive versus negative stories. Let's just let it be known that our individual experiences will shape our views. At the end of the day I do want to see a better product on the field and have doubts about this coaches abilities to deliver as a head coach, just my opinion.

[GophersInIowa]

Removing coaching ability and all of that out of the picture. I have no problems with people with outgoing, positive personalities. From a personality standpoint Jim Wacker was one of my favorite coaches ever and probably the most positive, outgoing person I have ever met. His speeches were some of the most inspiring and amazing that I have ever heard. The difference between those two guys imo is one of them you felt like the person you saw with the cameras on was the same with the cameras off and the other person I do not feel that. Let's be realistic as well, I know that Pete Carroll or Urban Meyer would not come here but do I think that there were and are still today more qualified coaches out there that would be interested, simply put yes. I also am realistic and know that this is not likely to change within the next 2 years atleast, but it doesn't mean that I cannot ask or expect my alma mater to strive for more.

"The difference between those two guys imo is one of them you felt like the person you saw with the cameras on was the same with the cameras off and the other person I do not feel that."

If you're saying that you think Brewster is a different person when he's not in front of the cameras or in front of the public, how do you know this? Every indication is that he is an upbeat guy all the time, and I believe he truely loves his job.

"I also am realistic and know that this is not likely to change within the next 2 years atleast, but it doesn't mean that I cannot ask or expect my alma mater to strive for more."

You mean like some of the best recruiting classes we've ever had? He hasn't been perfect by any means but no coach is, especially in their first few years as a head coach. He has Gopher fans like you and me talking more about recruiting and the team, even in the middle of the off-season, than ever before.

[GopherGod]

"The difference between those two guys imo is one of them you felt like the person you saw with the cameras on was the same with the cameras off and the other person I do not feel that."

If you're saying that you think Brewster is a different person when he's not in front of the cameras or in front of the public, how do you know this? Every indication is that he is an upbeat guy all the time, and I believe he truely loves his job.

"I also am realistic and know that this is not likely to change within the next 2 years atleast, but it doesn't mean that I cannot ask or expect my alma mater to strive for more."

You mean like some of the best recruiting classes we've ever had? He hasn't been perfect by any means but no coach is, especially in their first few years as a head coach. He has Gopher fans like you and me talking more about recruiting and the team, even in the middle of the off-season, than ever before.


In response to your question "If you're saying that you think Brewster is a different person when he's not in front of the cameras or in front of the public, how do you know this?" As stated before I can only go based on my observations which could be entirely different than yours.

I do believe you and agree that he appears to love his job and am not questioning his love of the job at all. I acknowledged earlier he is a great recruiter, but if it was only about recruiting rankings, Notre Dame would have been playing in a BCS game this year and not in the Hawaii bowl. Recruiting is only part of the equation, coaching being the rest.

[btowngopher]

Sounds like the brew haters are not putting winning as the number 1 goal. "I want a coach that I would feel comfortable sending my son to play for"...good lord, you just want everything don't you?

[GopherGod]

Sounds like the brew haters are not putting winning as the number 1 goal. "I want a coach that I would feel comfortable sending my son to play for"...good lord, you just want everything don't you?


btowngopher, let me know when we start winning the games we should.

[GoAUpher]

Sounds like the brew haters are not putting winning as the number 1 goal. "I want a coach that I would feel comfortable sending my son to play for"...good lord, you just want everything don't you?

I'm going to defend GG on this one. Why can't he want wins and character? I mean, he and I disagree on Brewster's character (I think Brew has plenty to spare) but I agree with him that its important. I don't want to be like my Badger friends who always said "Yea Beliema is an a**hole, but he's our a**hole". I'm not saying I want someone who hands out lollipops but you can be a harda** as a coach w/o being an a**hole or lacking character.

Also, I do think that GG has listed winning as the #1 goal. He is just less willing to cut Brew slack or believe in him in part b/c he doesn't trust his character (based on his experiences).

If Brew doesn't bring W's I believe we should move on regardless of character. Winning is still the priority. But I don't think ridiculing a desire for a stand-up leader of the Gophers is appropriate.

[GophersInIowa]

btowngopher, let me know when we start winning the games we should.

You mean like the games with N. Illinois, Bowling Green, Montana St., Florida Atlantic, Indiana, Illinois, and Purdue? I thought we did win those.

[GopherGod]

You mean like the games with N. Illinois, Bowling Green, Montana St., Florida Atlantic, Indiana, Illinois, and Purdue? I thought we did win those.

How about against a terrible Michigan team, or losing a lead against Wisconsin, or even being competitive against Iowa.

[GophersInIowa]

How about against a terrible Michigan team, or losing a lead against Wisconsin, or even being competitive against Iowa.

I think you need to actually think about what you're writing before you hit the submit button. It's hard for people to take you serious when you keep saying things like "let me know when we start winning the games we should." I just showed you seven games from last year that we should have won and we did win.

Of the six losses, I would say that the Northwestern and Michigan games are the only ones "we should have won". Although we shouldn't have lost to Iowa 55-0, it was obvious that they were just a better team. Same with Ohio St., Kansas, and Wisconsin. I would rate the Wisconsin game as a "could have won" game.

You just seem to take the negative side of just about everything where I tend to look at the positives. That's probably why I like Brewster and you don't.

[GopherGod]

I think you need to actually think about what you're writing before you hit the submit button. It's hard for people to take you serious when you keep saying things like "let me know when we start winning the games we should." I just showed you seven games from last year that we should have won and we did win.

Of the six losses, I would say that the Northwestern and Michigan games are the only ones "we should have won". Although we shouldn't have lost to Iowa 55-0, it was obvious that they were just a better team. Same with Ohio St., Kansas, and Wisconsin. I would rate the Wisconsin game as a "could have won" game.

You just seem to take the negative side of just about everything where I tend to look at the positives. That's probably why I like Brewster and you don't.

Thanks for agreeing with me then, we didn't win all the games we should have won.

Of the six losses, I would say that the Northwestern and Michigan games are the only ones "we should have won". So according to your own statements we won 7 of 9 games we should have won.

[Monty519]

Dude, what team wins every single game they "should have won"? Even Florida this year lost to Ole Miss, so they won 12 of 13 games they "should have won".

[SelectionSunday]

You're joking, right? I sure hope so.

[Monty519]

You're joking, right? I sure hope so.

I do not believe the basketball program was in any worse condition than the football program was, no. And when a HOF coach falls on your lap, it's even less of an issue. If a HOF coach was available to fall on the lap of the football program, I doubt the team would be THAT much better, there's just less talent here to work with, plain and simple. I feel there is a difference between needing a fresh, new coaching approach, and needing to rebuild the talent base of a program, especially in football.

[btowngopher]

I would sacrifice character for wins. I am not saying Brewster is the guy for sure. I am not saying Brewster lacks character, and I think it is ridiculous to say he does. But sorry character is not a priority for me, I would gladly take a Bielema if it resulted in Rose Bowls. Would you take a Steve Spurrier? (maybe not now, but in his prime) He's as big an ass as anyone out there, but people kinda ignore that when you are winning.

[GoAUpher]

I would sacrifice character for wins. I am not saying Brewster is the guy for sure. I am not saying Brewster lacks character, and I think it is ridiculous to say he does. But sorry character is not a priority for me, I would gladly take a Bielema if it resulted in Rose Bowls. Would you take a Steve Spurrier? (maybe not now, but in his prime) He's as big an ass as anyone out there, but people kinda ignore that when you are winning.

I'd take an a**, but not an a** who pulls the State Street type nonsense that seems to be quietly acknowledged by most in Madison. I also wouldn't accept cheating for wins. But if we're talking a Spurrier/Meyer harda** kind of guy vs. a Pete Carroll fun loving winner I'd be fine with the former (but would prefer the latter).

[gopher7]

Actions speak louder than words. If I had to pick between a coach who very quietly made a great hire, and an optimistic coach that made a terrible hire, I would take the quiet one.

I like Brewster's optimism and I hope he succeeds here, but he is only setting himself up for failure by making "killer shot" type of comments, especially when you consdier the type of unforgiving media that we have. That has already happened with Dunbar. In less than 2 years Dunbar went from practically the greatest offensive mind in college football history to a guy that he didn't even want on his staff anymore. Because of this, the casual Minnesota sports fan is going to start becoming immune to his optimism, if they haven't already.

If it were me, I would tell him to save the optimism for something that really has earned it, like when he talks about what kind of season Decker had, or the future of Adam Weber.

[nemosgold]

Agreed Gopher7 and I guess that was the intention of my original post. It's not that I don't like Brewster but, he may be getting like the little boy who cried wolf. I hope that's not the case, there has been no official comment made on the OC position. On the other hand how many of us new who Mitch Browning, Noel Mazzone or Bob DeBesse were when they were hired.

[Maximus]

Agreed Gopher7 and I guess that was the intention of my original post. It's not that I don't like Brewster but, he may be getting like the little boy who cried wolf.


I know I've learned not to believe him when he's hyping unknown players. Harold Howell, Curtis Thomas, Jon Hoese, David Pittman (not for talent, but that he was healthy and would contribute during the regular season).

I'm almost scared to see what Royston and Carufel are going to do next season for all the hype they've gotten this season.

[GophersInIowa]

Thanks for agreeing with me then, we didn't win all the games we should have won.

Of the six losses, I would say that the Northwestern and Michigan games are the only ones "we should have won". So according to your own statements we won 7 of 9 games we should have won.

Well, I guess you really didn't word it that way the first time and didn't mention anything about winning all the games we're supposed to win. Rather you said to let you know when we start winning games we should. You made it sound like we never win games we're supposed to.

Anways, this is getting ridiculous. Obviously, you don't like Brewster so you're going to find everything you can and twist it to make him look bad. You're entitled to your opinion. I choose to be optimistic about Brewster and the direction this program is going.

[minibeaver]

For everyone jumpin all over Brew for his personality.... who else are we gonna bring in that can do any better? We can't afford a proven HC, so the only shot we have at getting a good Coach is by taking chances. We all knew from the beginning his personality was optimistic (to the point of being annoying sometimes) and that he could sell a bicycle to a paraplegic. That Bullsh*^ personality is what allows him to do that. Besides, coming off the two of the best recruiting classes in just about ever? This isn't Florida or Ohio State, its Minnesota. Some day maybe we can afford to be picky.

[Schnoodler]

Before Brewster was here there was very little to talk about. The gophers were rarely if ever mentioned on the air waves. There was a little blurb during the spring game and that was it from the end of the season to the beginning. Even during the season it was tough to find anything.

since he's been here it's been the opposite. You can even find stuff on national sources. It's very exciting comparatively. This is not an accident. It's the direct result of Brewsters style. You may like an understated approach better but it's been alot more exciting since Brews been here. I think that will pay dividends. Ultimately it's the onfield performance that will matter, but I believe the journey will be funner with Brew, and I believe if he is successful he will have a greater impact than an understated type.