Gophers new co-DC’s: Kevin Cosgrove and Ronnie Lee – how would YOU rate this hire?

[parkinglotgopher]

It's been officially announced that Kevin Cosgrove is the new co-defensive coordinator.

As rumored, there has also been an internal promotion. Some thought it would be Tim Cross, but it is actually Ronnie Lee who has been promoted to co-defensive coordinator, joining Cosgrove at the top of the defensive coaching staff.

Official (canned / press release) quotes from Brewster:

“We are very excited to announce Kevin Cosgrove as our new co-defensive coordinator,” Brewster said. “Coach Cosgrove brings a wealth of experience in the Big Ten as both a coach and recruiter. Plus, he possesses a long track record of developing outstanding defenses. But, perhaps more importantly, Kevin is a great person and an outstanding fit on our staff.

“Ronnie Lee has done a tremendous job since joining our staff here at Minnesota,” Brewster added. “I’m very pleased to reward him with this promotion. Ronnie has proven himself to be an excellent coach and recruiter. I look forward to him having an expanded role on our defensive staff.”

http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=930

[TCF=UnitedWeStand]

I hope Tim Cross remains happy.

[NateDawgUM]

So now the question is, who becomes the Minnesota head coach in 2011?

[harrys ghost]

So now the question is, who becomes the Minnesota head coach in 2011?

Cosgrove, of course. :rolleyes:

[sonnygarcia]

[QUOTE=parkinglotgopher;16213] Plus, he possesses a long track record of developing outstanding defenses.QUOTE]

He is obviously aware of what happened in Nebraska........ how do you think one could look past that and say the aforementioned quote with a straight face??????

I'm not just saying this either, I would like someone to respond with some thoughts......

[GopherHole Staff]

Today Tim Brewster announced that Kevin Cosgrove and Ronnie Lee (http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=930) will lead the Gophers defense as the programs new Co-Defensive Coordinators. Please share your thoughts on this hire and vote (http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=930) whether Cosgrove and Lee are good leaders of our defense.

http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=930

[DCGopher]

The Offensive Coordinator pick needs to be a "knock-out" now...looks like we will need to put up a lot of points and no longer be able to lean on our Defense :(.

Hopefully, Cosgrove will be able to pick up some Wisconsin recruits as one benefit of this hire.

[GopherGod]

So now the question is, who becomes the Minnesota head coach in 2011?

I agree, it is almost laughable how Brewster could screw this hire up so bad. This is a disgrace and you have to seriously question his decision making abilities. Get your t-shirts now because trust me you will need them.

http://www.cafepress.com/firecosgrove2

[The 12th Man]

I agree, it is almost laughable how Brewster could screw this hire up so bad. This is a disgrace and you have to seriously question his decision making abilities. Get your t-shirts now because trust me you will need them.

http://www.cafepress.com/firecosgrove2



I love it! Give up before a single game has been played!

[GopherGod]

It is going to be tough to be a top 10 or even top 25 ranked team with your defense ranked 60th or so in the country every year which is what this guy has averaged for his whole career.

[GopherGod]

I love it! Give up before a single game has been played!

The 12th Man, I have seen this guys defenses play for years and we have a 14 year track record to look at and base my displeasure on. It isn't as if people are all basing it on a isolated game or even one season, it is 14 years as a DC which is a pretty good sample size to work from.

[The 12th Man]

What is his record as the Minnesota DC?

[dpodoll68]

I bought season tickets last year for the first time since I was an undergrad, solely so I could be guaranteed seats in the new stadium. The sad part is that now I'm not even sure whether I'm going to get season tix for 2009. I hate to have such a defeatist attitude, but I mean, c'mon. Look at the guy's track record...

[PlayHosea]

I'll give it time, but at this point, I'm skeptical, to say the least. To be fair, I didn't think much of Roof either and people are acting as if he was Buddy Ryan.

[GopherGod]

I am afraid that Brewster just signed his walking papers for 2011, as well as Cosgrove's, and Maturi's.

[TNGophfan]

I am not thrilled with Cosgrove either but I am hopeful that maybe Ronnie Lee will actually be the person who sets the style and calls the formations during the game. He should understand the type of defense Brewster wants to play after coaching here for the last couple years. Keep fingers crossed.

[GopherGod]

“I’m thrilled to be back in the Big Ten,” Cosgrove said. “I’m definitely excited about the opportunity to work with Tim Brewster and an outstanding A.D. in Joel Maturi at the University of Minnesota. I’m very familiar with Minnesota. I always felt that this program had great potential and I’m glad to have the opportunity to work here.”

Translates to thanks buddies for giving me a job when no other BCS program would give me the time of time.

[MRJ]

How do I feel about it?? Well, it is what it is, which isn't necessarily a good thing.

But, I will give Brewster the benefit of the doubt....for now....:o

If anything, it will be interesting to watch how Cosgrove and Lee and work together.

[Jike Spingleton]

I'll give it time, but at this point, I'm skeptical, to say the least. To be fair, I didn't think much of Roof either and people are acting as if he was Buddy Ryan.


I second that. Not a big fan of the hire, but I don't recall many people being thrilled that we hired the guy who got his brains beat in at Duke, either.

Hey, given our track record with D-Coordinators (a new one every year), if Cosgove somehow succeeds, it would seem likely he'd move on to something else. Silver lining, folks.

[btowngopher]

Quite the pessimistic bunch we have. I for one will wait to see what happens. Cosgrove had some good success at wisconsin...he is in their coaches hall of fame afterall. He stunk at Nebraska...some say it is because of the evolution of the spread. Well maybe promoting the defensive back coach will help in that area. We will find out early on against syracuse (if they are still running the spread) how Cosgrove will fair. Remember he is only COOOOOO d-coordinator.

[ChickenLittle2011]

I agree, it is almost laughable how Brewster could screw this hire up so bad. This is a disgrace and you have to seriously question his decision making abilities. Get your t-shirts now because trust me you will need them.


I have seen this guys defenses play for years and we have a 14 year track record to look at and base my displeasure on. It isn't as if people are all basing it on a isolated game or even one season, it is 14 years as a DC which is a pretty good sample size to work from.


It is going to be tough to be a top 10 or even top 25 ranked team with your defense ranked 60th or so in the country every year which is what this guy has averaged for his whole career.


I am afraid that Brewster just signed his walking papers for 2011, as well as Cosgrove's, and Maturi's.

Ok, we get it, you're opposed to the hire. Do you have anything meaningful to contribute?

[btowngopher]

i love how so many people ignore any of the success that Cosgrove did have at times.

[Inigo Montoya]

the hiring of Cosgrove and the promotion of Lee.


Wisconsin cooled on them.

http://alaska.usgs.gov/science/biology/remote_sensing/images/sea_ice04.jpg

[GopherGod]

Ok, we get it, you're opposed to the hire. Do you have anything meaningful to contribute?

I see this is your first post, is this you Mr. Cosgrove?

[NateDawgUM]

i love how so many people ignore any of the success that Cosgrove did have at times.

The guy got death threats at his last coaching job. And we hired him.

[btowngopher]

The guy got death threats at his last coaching job. And we hired him.

The guy made the coaching hall of fame at wisconsin....look i realize he had some bad seasons at Nebraska. He wasn't bad at Wisconsin though so I don't know why people are saying he has this HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE track record of failure. He failed at ONE job.

[Schnoodler]

After reading much of the stuff posted on here I was pretty negative of the hire. Mostly the stuff by Gopher God. But his resume is quite impressive, and I always thought the Wiscy defenses were pretty decent.

Positives:
Known as a good recruiter
Knows the Big 10 well.
Knows Brewster and Maturi well
A proven better than average DC

Negatives
Gopher God and Nate Dawg don't like him
Had a really crappy last year at Nebraska
Not a home run hire.

I would have liked something a little more eye opening but this is hardly a bad hire. We shouldn't get doom and gloom about this. It'll still be better than anything we've had here in Minnesota in a long time.

[ChickenLittle2011]

I see this is your first post, is this you Mr. Cosgrove?

Good one.

No, I've been lurking for awhile. Saw that you generally rehash the same five posts about how Brewster sucks, the Gophers are doomed, and that Cosgrove is the single worst hire in the history of employment. Was just interested to see if you had anything original to contribute. I guess not.

[btowngopher]

I like the idea of promoting Lee as well. Hopefully Lee can develop into a long term assistant like many powerhouse programs have.

[Bo Darville]

Think about it this way. Cosgrove's been a big success everywhere he's been without Bill Callahan. As long as Callahan stays away, we'll be OK.

[GoGophers2005]

Probably the second most qualified DC we've had here at Minnesota in the past 30 years. Roof being number 1. You can talk about Gibbs...but he was a youngen who we gave a shot to, he wasn't qualified for the job.
This is a much better hire than Lockwood, Ankney, Hudson by a longshot.

Let's just see what he can do.

[GoAUpher]

I bought season tickets last year for the first time since I was an undergrad, solely so I could be guaranteed seats in the new stadium. The sad part is that now I'm not even sure whether I'm going to get season tix for 2009. I hate to have such a defeatist attitude, but I mean, c'mon. Look at the guy's track record...

There's a waiting list so I'm sure no one will mind if you bail. I'm sure this is just hyperbole 'cause you're upset but if you are serious...good lord...

The hire doesn't get me all excited either but I'm not going to bail before we've even played a SINGLE DOWN of the 2009 season (not that I'd bail anyway).

[GVBadger]

He coached a lot of really good football players art Wisconsin, many of them that he recruited.

He was on the staff for 3 Rose Bowl victories and was def coordinator for two of them. Two of his defenses for the Badgers were in the top ten in points allowed.

The reaction to him before he has recruited a player or coached a down is unreal.

[FishingMN]

He coached a lot of really good football players art Wisconsin, many of them that he recruited.

He was on the staff for 3 Rose Bowl victories and was def coordinator for two of them. Two of his defenses for the Badgers were in the top ten in points allowed.

The reaction to him before he has recruited a player or coached a down is unreal.


You are clearly wrong - Gophergod says he watched all the Badger games and the reason they didn't go undefeated every year was because of Cosgrove.

[MDGopherFan]

I am afraid that Brewster just signed his walking papers for 2011, as well as Cosgrove's, and Maturi's.

Sorry, but Maturi gets a pass with the Tubby Smith hire even if this implodes...

[Ozzy&Ray]

Thank you. Been thinking the same thing.

[raindog]

I hope Don Lucia gets a clean bill of health soon.

P.S. Congrats to Ronnie Lee on the promotion. Cosgrove's resume looks pretty good to me and the NE fans calling for Cosgrove's head remind me of the Kentucky fans who ran off one Tubby Smith. Not saying Cosgrove will be the next Tubby, but he has had some pretty nice accomplishments over the years.

[Ozzy&Ray]

Thank you for your grounded comments. Also, thanks for not using Punky :-)

[Space Gopher]

I'm not big on the Cosgrove hire, given the last part of his tenure of the Husker DC. But I don't think the 2009 defense will be worse than it was in 2007, and should improve over last year. We could have as many as 8 sr's starting on D and more depth than we've been accustomed to.

However, he is only the Co-coordinator and I don't know how the 2 coordinator dynamic will play out. I like that we were able to promote someone from within and hopefully it provides some sort of continuity from last year, although I haven't heard of Lee as a rising star.

Also, I doubt Cosgrove will have carte blanche on all calls. Therefore, real question is, "Who is DC-1A and DC-1B"? Is Cosgrove leading the way and Lee is there to learn on the job, or is Cosgrove there more to give advice behind the scenes and be a sounding board / advisor to Lee?

Hopefully the OC hire will make

[Go Gophers Rah]

I'll withold judgement for a while. I think people underestimate "fit." Perhaps Cosgrove just didn't fit in Nebraska but he will here - who knows.

I will say that it seems like a roll of the dice rather than bringing in some highly praised DC who has had consistent success.

The way Brewster talked up the OC hire, however, has set the bar high - I would think a disappointing name for that hire could sow the seeds of discontent among fans - and once that occurs, it is very difficult to regain fan support without some serious victories.

I hope that Maturi can hold off a little while on any contract extension so that we can see if the program is improving.

[btowngopher]

The problem with trying to bring in a big time DC is money for one, but also getting him to stay put here creates a challenge. At least Brewster has more of a history with Lee and Cosgrove then he had with Roof or Withers. So hopefully they can build something together and not want to bolt for something better at least not for a while. I wanted McCarney at DC, I think he would have done well, but I think it would be tough to keep someone like that around. Just getting some consistency at D Coordinator could end up being very helpful for the squad in future years.

[lawrence21]

His D at Wisconsin was between 50th and 60th in the nation. How is that good?

[maroonfive]

was ranked in the 50's and they were in the national championship game, go figure?

Go Gophers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChickenLittle2011]

His D at Wisconsin was between 50th and 60th in the nation. How is that good?

"Good" might be a stretch, but 50th/60th would be an improvment over our current D and in line with some not-so-bad teams. I'd say such a ranking would be "pretty decent," and put us in a position to win some games.

MN - 80th
TX - 51st
OK - 68th
OR - 82nd
KA - 89th

Source:
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2008&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org

[GopherGod]

was ranked in the 50's and they were in the national championship game, go figure?

Go Gophers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If we can just average 51.1 points/game and 547.9 yards/game on offense as they did this season prior to last nights game then we should be set.

[Bayfieldgopher]

lawrence21.
Maybe you should do some homework B4 making statements like a 50th-60th ranking.

Here are the average points per fame Wisconsin allowed under Cosgrove; 1994-20.6ppg, 1995-23, 1996-18.7, 1997-23.5, 1998-17.2, 1999-13.2, 2000-20.4, 2001-28.8, 2002-23.0, 2003-23.5. That's an average of 21 ppg. Very few Gopher fans can remember the days when we could say that about our team for a 14 year span.

The Husker D allowed 2004-27 ppg, 2005-21, 2006-18.2, 2007-38.

[ncgo4]

I, for one would like to know just what the hell co-DC means? Who decides whether or not we blitz on a given play? Who sets the scheme for a game? Who gets credit for good games and who takes blame when things go poorly. Sounds to me like Brewster wants Lee to have a year or two to develop into his real DC.

[GophersInIowa]

His D at Wisconsin was between 50th and 60th in the nation. How is that good?

You might want to do some actual research first. Just looking at 1999, Wisky's defense was ranked 15th overall in yards allowed and 5th in points allowed. http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/IA/1999/team.txt

But I guess that is close to 50th and 60th. :rolleyes:

[GophersInIowa]

lawrence21.
Maybe you should do some homework B4 making statements like a 50th-60th ranking.

Here are the average points per fame Wisconsin allowed under Cosgrove; 1994-20.6ppg, 1995-23, 1996-18.7, 1997-23.5, 1998-17.2, 1999-13.2, 2000-20.4, 2001-28.8, 2002-23.0, 2003-23.5. That's an average of 21 ppg. Very few Gopher fans can remember the days when we could say that about our team for a 14 year span.

The Husker D allowed 2004-27 ppg, 2005-21, 2006-18.2, 2007-38.

What's even more funny is that we were ranked 61st and gave up an average of 24.8 points/game this past season, yet for some reason everyone hates Cosgrove even though his defenses have given up over 24.8 points/game only 3 times in 14 seasons. I think Roof did a great job and I wish he was still our DC but I don't understand why everyone is hating on Cosgrove.

I have no idea if he'll be successful here or not, but I'm at least going to give him a chance before my world comes to an end.

[GoBigGold]

I'll take a wait and see attitude with the 2 of em.....It's Brewster's neck and hopefully he took all of that into consideration....when he signed off. Job sharing like a couple of ladies in an office.... hehehehe.
WI rose in football stature similar to the MAC and WAC teams. limited scholarships created parity throught college football.
Since then the Big Ten has been lackluster so it is tough for one bigten team to spout off about team stats. read cosgrove got stats on feasting on MN,IN,IL,PUR,NW

[GoBigGold]

Cosgrove couldn't say enough about Maturi's old HS in Madison Edgewood. this was all about who you know.

http://www.badgerbeat.com/news/article/id/293051

[GoAUpher]

He coached a lot of really good football players art Wisconsin, many of them that he recruited.

He was on the staff for 3 Rose Bowl victories and was def coordinator for two of them. Two of his defenses for the Badgers were in the top ten in points allowed.

The reaction to him before he has recruited a player or coached a down is unreal.

You know folks are overreacting when "Punky" hating Badger fans make sense. Seriously...

I'm still trying to understand the co-DC thing better. How is that supposed to work? And is ANY other program using this (or has anyone used it recently)?

[FiveStarFan]

I will let the product on the feild decide if this is a good hire. Does anyone know how the heck having co-coordinators will work? I could see a lot of arguing and disfunction. Any thoughts?

[GopherGod]

You might want to do some actual research first. Just looking at 1999, Wisky's defense was ranked 15th overall in yards allowed and 5th in points allowed. http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/IA/1999/team.txt

But I guess that is close to 50th and 60th. :rolleyes:

Actually GophersInIowa you might want do you your research. Here was Wisconsins OVERALL defense rankings each year which I believe is what he was referencing.

1999 - 15th
2000 - 79th
2001 - 58th
2002 - 56th
2003 - 43rd for an average of 50.2

[TheDinkytowner]

Actually GophersInIowa you might want do you your research. Here was Wisconsins OVERALL defense rankings each year which I believe is what he was referencing.

1999 - 15th
2000 - 79th
2001 - 58th
2002 - 56th
2003 - 43rd for an average of 50.2



Gophers were 80th this year.

[Schnoodler]

I'd be inclined to look at scoring defense vs overall myself. But defense stats are so deceptive anyway as they have a lot to do with the offense.

Did you notice the Minnesota rankings on there. I didn't remember Minnesota being that good. It's a shame we couldn't have paired that D with the rushing offense that followed.

[GophersInIowa]

Actually GophersInIowa you might want do you your research. Here was Wisconsins OVERALL defense rankings each year which I believe is what he was referencing.

1999 - 15th
2000 - 79th
2001 - 58th
2002 - 56th
2003 - 43rd for an average of 50.2

Huh? I did some research and even provided a link. What in my post was wrong? Absolutely nothing. Now go back and look at the post I was responding to. lawrence21 said "Cosgrove has never had success" and "His D at Wisconsin was between 50th and 60th in the nation." I provided information that showed what he was saying was wrong. He has had some success and his defense at Wisconsin was not always between 50th and 60th. That's it.

Secondly, the rankings you're posting is not his entire resume at Wisconsin. I guess 1995-1998 never happened.

Thirdly, those rankings are for yardage allowed. To me, points allowed is what really matters in my books. In 2000, they may have been 79th in yards allowed but were 34th in points allowed.

[GopherGod]

nm

[TheDinkytowner]

nm


hahahahaha You just deleted the post where you said "the rankings I posted were for OVERALL/TOTAL DEFENSE and not just yards allowed"

[GophersInIowa]

I see now why you live in Iowa, the rankings that I provided were OVERALL/TOTAL defensive rankings and not just yardage allowed. If you looked at one of my posts responding to you on another thread I acknowledged I did not have the 1995-1998 rankings as I could not find them as the NCAA website stats archive does not go back that far. If you have them please share as I could not find them and to be fair would love to include them. here is the link I used to look at the total defensive rankings for every season that I could find.

http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings?doWhat=archive&sportCode=MFB

Wow, now that was funny!

Do this for me, click on the link you just provided, go to 2001 statistics, then total defense. Look at the column that is the 4th farthest from the right. That is the column for "Ydspgm" which stands for yards per game. Now look down that column. Does it look like a pattern there? It goes down from the lowest to highest which means the "overall/total defense" rankings uses, you guessed it, yardage allowed!!! Man was that tough.

[GophersInIowa]

hahahahaha You just deleted the post where you said "the rankings I posted were for OVERALL/TOTAL DEFENSE and not just yards allowed"

haha, and he was acting like I was stupid.

[NC 2 MN]

[QUOTE=parkinglotgopher;16213] Plus, he possesses a long track record of developing outstanding defenses.QUOTE]

He is obviously aware of what happened in Nebraska........ how do you think one could look past that and say the aforementioned quote with a straight face??????

I'm not just saying this either, I would like someone to respond with some thoughts......


Sonny, judging from the fact that UNC hired Withers after he was DC for a defense that finished dead last out of 119, it looks like some coaches can look at the facts behind the statistics and make a decision. I don't think UNC is unhappy with their hire.

[ChickenLittle2011]

Wow, now that was funny!

Do this for me, click on the link you just provided, go to 2001 statistics, then total defense. Look at the column that is the 4th farthest from the right. That is the column for "Ydspgm" which stands for yards per game. Now look down that column. Does it look like a pattern there? It goes down from the lowest to highest which means the "overall/total defense" rankings uses, you guessed it, yardage allowed!!! Man was that tough.

Ha! Classic. The much-vaunted GopherGod currently taking his ball and going home.

[GopherGod]

haha, and he was acting like I was stupid.


I did misinterpret the data as I was looking at it to quickly. We all make mistakes after all, just look at your wife in the bathroom at the metrodome during the Iowa game.

[TheDinkytowner]

I bought season tickets last year for the first time since I was an undergrad, solely so I could be guaranteed seats in the new stadium. The sad part is that now I'm not even sure whether I'm going to get season tix for 2009. I hate to have such a defeatist attitude, but I mean, c'mon. Look at the guy's track record...


Vote on the worst post of the day!

Candidates:

1) dpodoll68: saying he might drop his tickets for the new stadium because of the Cosgrove hire (see above quote)

2) GopherGod: "I see now why you live in Iowa, the rankings that I provided were OVERALL/TOTAL defensive rankings and not just yardage allowed."

[dpodoll68]

Hey, D-bagtowner, why don't you play a lengthy game of hide and go f**k yourself?

Seriously, what the hell is your problem?

[GophersInIowa]

I did misinterpret the data as I was looking at it to quickly. We all make mistakes after all, just look at your wife in the bathroom at the metrodome during the Iowa game.

Yep, we all do make mistakes but I wouldn't start calling me out for being wrong about the stats if you're "looking at it quickly."

You do realize that I am a Gophers fan, don't you? Was born and raised in MN and just moved down here last year for a job.

[GopherGod]

Yep, we all do make mistakes but I wouldn't start calling me out for being wrong about the stats if you're "looking at it quickly."

You do realize that I am a Gophers fan, don't you? Was born and raised in MN and just moved down here last year for a job.

You are 100% correct and I apologize for the comment it was uncalled for and a classless act on my part. At the end of the day I need to remember that while we may disagree on minor points we all just want the best for the gopher program. My sincere apologies.

[Schnoodler]

Geez Gopher God. The guys got it tough enough having to live amongst Hawkeye fans and you take a shot at his wife. Well it was awfully big of you to apologize. Kudos on that.

[Bayfieldgopher]

I got your back Gophersiniowa

[GophersInIowa]

Thanks Bayfield, no big deal.

[6 Nov 1999]

It's been officially announced that Kevin Cosgrove is the new co-defensive coordinator.

As rumored, there has also been an internal promotion. Some thought it would be Tim Cross, but it is actually Ronnie Lee who has been promoted to co-defensive coordinator, joining Cosgrove at the top of the defensive coaching staff.

Official (canned / press release) quotes from Brewster:

“We are very excited to announce Kevin Cosgrove as our new co-defensive coordinator,” Brewster said. “Coach Cosgrove brings a wealth of experience in the Big Ten as both a coach and recruiter. Plus, he possesses a long track record of developing outstanding defenses. But, perhaps more importantly, Kevin is a great person and an outstanding fit on our staff.

“Ronnie Lee has done a tremendous job since joining our staff here at Minnesota,” Brewster added. “I’m very pleased to reward him with this promotion. Ronnie has proven himself to be an excellent coach and recruiter. I look forward to him having an expanded role on our defensive staff.”

http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=930

I am OK with Kevin Cosgrove. I couldn't stand Kevin when ESPN / ABC would pan him on the sidelines during battles for the Axe. He personified everything I did not like about Wisconsin. Good to have him on our side now. May he coach for the Golden Gopher Football Team for many decades to come! Welcome aboard Mr. Cosgrove!

[GopherGod]

I see that he was signed to just a one-year contract according to the startribune. Maybe Brewster and Maturi aren't exactly sold on him either, talk about a resounding show of confidence from your new boss.


"I know very well what Kevin brings to the plate," Brewster said Friday after signing Cosgrove to a one-year, $300,000 contract.

[GophersInIowa]

I see that he was signed to just a one-year contract according to the startribune. Maybe Brewster and Maturi aren't exactly sold on him either, talk about a resounding show of confidence from your new boss.


"I know very well what Kevin brings to the plate," Brewster said Friday after signing Cosgrove to a one-year, $300,000 contract.

Does it really matter? No matter how long the contract was, people would complain about it. If we gave him a 4-year contract instead you and others would be complaining that it's too long of a contract and that Brewster should see how Cosgrove does this year before giving him a long-term contact.

I understand you're are not really thrilled with the hire. Personally, I'm neutral right now; I'll give him a chance this next year before I get too excited or disappointed with the hire. But you're just trying to find every little thing you can to use against him. You could do that with every coach that has ever been hired.

[Schnoodler]

I think you can read into the one year a bit. The two points that I think are important are, can he succeed against the spread. And is this an interim job? Is it a stop gap hire while the solidify the O and develop Ronnie Lee, with the win for Cosgrove a chance for redemption.

It could also be that the agreement is for a better contract once he proves he is a fit and can succeed against the spread. It may be his doing and not ours.


Or it could simply be that they wanted to announce as quickly as they could and a one year deal was the fastest way to do that.


So it probably does have meaning. But what? it's not so clear.

[GophersInIowa]

I think you can read into the one year a bit. The two points that I think are important are, can he succeed against the spread. And is this an interim job? Is it a stop gap hire while the solidify the O and develop Ronnie Lee, with the win for Cosgrove a chance for redemption.

It could also be that the agreement is for a better contract once he proves he is a fit and can succeed against the spread. It may be his doing and not ours.


Or it could simply be that they wanted to announce as quickly as they could and a one year deal was the fastest way to do that.


So it probably does have meaning. But what? it's not so clear.

Exactly, you can't assume it's because Brewster doesn't have a lot of confidence in him. There could be a lot of reasons why it was only a one year contract.

[Goldmember]

It seems like any disgust over the Cosgrove hire is based almost entirely on Nebraska's disasterous 2007 season (and the reaction of their fans).

Also, some Gopher fans freak out if there is a perception that we may be getting sloppy-seconds from the Badgers. But I still don't understand why he left UW. It sounds like he an BB just didn't get along as well as he got along with BA.

I would have prefered that a DC who was let go from NE and/or WI put in a few years as a positions coach with MN before being considered for a larger role. But there is a lack of evidence that suggests he has had a bad career.

If you forget Nebraska's impolsion in 2007, he has been a decent DC elsewhere. We all had high expectations. Perhaps too high. Especially considering that we want someone who will stay for multiple seasons. If he had come here directly from the Badgers (instead of going to NE) we all would have felt like we stole the guy.

[GoldenGo4Fan]

It sounds like he an BB just didn't get along....

Which makes me like the guy all that much more!

[WAGopher]

Which makes me like the guy all that much more!

I agree. If Cosgrove is highly motivated by sticking it to Bielema, then that's one more reason to like the hire.

[MN Corn Nation]

Here I was going to buy Gophers FB Season Tickets. DODGED THAT BULLET !

I live in MN and go to every home game that doesn't conflict with NE's schedule.

(I played FB for Nebraska, still have Cornhusker season tickets and rarely miss a game)

kevin cosgrove almost ruined the entire sport for me with his absolutely HORRIFIC coaching; I'm talking preparation, schemes, lack of adjustments - the whole package.

WORST DEFENSE IN NEBRASKA FOOTBALL HISTORY !

He should be jailed for crimes against Football.

Good luck Gophers, you're going to need it. Maybe it will work out in the big 11.

[TexasGopher]

I live in Big XII Country and Cosgrove was a joke against anything other than the "straight T," "winged T" or "Single Wing." The press (and even the players after the games - see Chase McDaniel at Mizzou) down here seemed to always comment that (apparently his ego was so large) he never made changes at the half. Therefore his defense always performed worse in the second half. I am afraid we are in for a rough ride if he is REALLY in charge of the D. The good news is that no one in the Big 10 run the Spread like they do in the Big XII!

[MN Corn Nation]

But there is a lack of evidence that suggests he has had a bad career.


cosgrove's defenses consistently are bottom 70 througout his career

[MN Corn Nation]

“I’m thrilled to be back in the Big Ten,” Cosgrove said. “I’m definitely excited about the opportunity to work with Tim Brewster and an outstanding A.D. in Joel Maturi at the University of Minnesota. I’m very familiar with Minnesota. I always felt that this program had great potential and I’m glad to have the opportunity to work here.”

Translates to thanks buddies for giving me a job when no other BCS program would give me the time of time.

Without coz' buddies he wouldn't be coaching above the HS level.

How the Viking's were ever tempted proves to me that something is not quite right in the MN sports scene.

[GophersInIowa]

Here I was going to buy Gophers FB Season Tickets. DODGED THAT BULLET !

I live in MN and go to every home game that doesn't conflict with NE's schedule.

(I played FB for Nebraska, still have Cornhusker season tickets and rarely miss a game)

kevin cosgrove almost ruined the entire sport for me with his absolutely HORRIFIC coaching; I'm talking preparation, schemes, lack of adjustments - the whole package.

WORST DEFENSE IN NEBRASKA FOOTBALL HISTORY !

He should be jailed for crimes against Football.

Good luck Gophers, you're going to need it. Maybe it will work out in the big 11.

Do you seriously live in a corn field or something? You're about a month late.

[GoAUpher]

Hmmm...I used to think Dinkytowner was a little paranoid with his attempts to tie new posters to existing posters (he could have called it pin the tail on the troll). But a month after this thread was actually in use 2 brand new posters from Big 12 country put all of their first new posts in this thread. And look at this:


Here I was going to buy Gophers FB Season Tickets. DODGED THAT BULLET !

I live in MN and go to every home game that doesn't conflict with NE's schedule.

(I played FB for Nebraska, still have Cornhusker season tickets and rarely miss a game)

kevin cosgrove almost ruined the entire sport for me with his absolutely HORRIFIC coaching; I'm talking preparation, schemes, lack of adjustments - the whole package.

WORST DEFENSE IN NEBRASKA FOOTBALL HISTORY !

He should be jailed for crimes against Football.

Good luck Gophers, you're going to need it. Maybe it will work out in the big 11.


I live in Big XII Country and Cosgrove was a joke against anything other than the "straight T," "winged T" or "Single Wing." The press (and even the players after the games - see Chase McDaniel at Mizzou) down here seemed to always comment that (apparently his ego was so large) he never made changes at the half. Therefore his defense always performed worse in the second half. I am afraid we are in for a rough ride if he is REALLY in charge of the D. The good news is that no one in the Big 10 run the Spread like they do in the Big XII!

These two FIRST POSTS from anti-Cosgrove posters came just 2 minutes apart. I'm LMAO at the silly trollishness on display here. What are the chances of a Nebraska lurker and a Texas lurker dropping in for their 1st posts just 2 minutes apart? Yea... :p :p :p

[SacramentoHusker]

Hmmm...I used to think Dinkytowner was a little paranoid with his attempts to tie new posters to existing posters (he could have called it pin the tail on the troll). But a month after this thread was actually in use 2 brand new posters from Big 12 country put all of their first new posts in this thread. And look at this:





These two FIRST POSTS from anti-Cosgrove posters came just 2 minutes apart. I'm LMAO at the silly trollishness on display here. What are the chances of a Nebraska lurker and a Texas lurker dropping in for their 1st posts just 2 minutes apart? Yea... :p :p :p

It's not that unusual - this message board was just linked from the Huskerpedia.com main site because Cosgrove finally spoke about his time at Nebraska.

I'm a California Husker that witnessed BC and Cosgrove dismantle the Nebraska program, and I can tell you that while Cosgrove might be an improvement for your program, he is not a championship caliber coach. I'm not talking about winning the Little 11, but a true title.

Nebraska's defense in 2007 looked lost on the field. Cosgrove routinely threw his players under the bus, and he, to this day, refuses to take any responsibility for the travesty that was the 2007 Nebraska defense. The Husker defenders talk about how much more they like the schemes of Pelini and how much better prepared they are under Pelini's coaching as compared to Cosgrove's and BC's.

As far as Cosgrove saying he never experienced negativity while at Wisconsin - he's just flat-out lying. When Nebraska hired Cosgrove, my Badger buddy thanked me for getting him out of Wisconsin and warned me that it would be bad. He'll probably do okay in the tradition-rich (read: slow and not innovative) Little 11 with its power rush offenses. I fear for your team when they play a spread offense, though.

[MilesTones]

I'm not talking about winning the Little 11, but a true title.

He'll probably do okay in the tradition-rich (read: slow and not innovative) Little 11 with its power rush offenses. I fear for your team when they play a spread offense, though.

FWIW... You have precisely ZERO credibility with ANYONE here if you refer to the conference as the 'Little 11'. Do you honestly think someone will read that and take you seriously? Even a little? You might as well put an "auto-ignore" button on your post.

Free clues! Come get yours!

[SacramentoHusker]

FWIW... You have precisely ZERO credibility with ANYONE here if you refer to the conference as the 'Little 11'. Do you honestly think someone will read that and take you seriously? Even a little? You might as well put an "auto-ignore" button on your post.

Free clues! Come get yours!

FWIW, you can't a joke. Your conference can't count, and, last I checked, it's pretty little when it comes to making a splash in college football. Hence, it's the Little 11. It's not my fault that three individual Big 12 teams have won more titles in the last 40 years than the entire Little 11 combined.

[Dr.Don]

Flush SacramentoHusker...in fact double flush!!!!!!! See ya, big turd.

[SacramentoHusker]

Flush SacramentoHusker...in fact double flush!!!!!!! See ya, big turd.

No skin off my nose. Don't shoot the messenger - I'm just telling you how it is. I would think you Gopher fans would want to hear the truth rather than burying your heads in the sand. No biggie, though. I'll be back when you fire him and see what you say then.

[GophersInIowa]

You made your point, what do you want us to do about it? I don't think Brewster asked any of us who he should hire as DC.

[gopherjay]

you would think the Huskers are world beaters. Maybe Cosgrove put up a poor defense at Nebraska but does the coach take all the blame? How many all Americans and nationaly recruited people on his defense?

[harrys ghost]

can you imagine some Auburn fan site does an interview of Roof and we link to it? Who cares?

[SacramentoHusker]

You made your point, what do you want us to do about it? I don't think Brewster asked any of us who he should hire as DC.

You're right - no one should talk about what coaches are hired because the common man doesn't have any say in the hiring process. Get rid of talk radio, get rid of message boards, and get rid of newspaper columns. After all, none of us have a say in the hire, right?

Talk about defeatist...

As for us Husker fans visiting other message boards - there isn't much else for a Husker fan in the winter. Also, it's raining cats and dogs in Sacramento and I'm a bit bored right now. Guess you can make an argument for me being a loser. Of course, you're the guy responding to me. Guess we're all a bunch of losers, aren't we?

[Schnoodler]

"As for us Husker fans visiting other message boards - there isn't much else for a Husker fan in the winter. Also, it's raining cats and dogs in Sacramento and I'm a bit bored right now. Guess you can make an argument for me being a loser. Of course, you're the guy responding to me. Guess we're all a bunch of losers, aren't we?"


It is tough to argue with that logic.

[GophersInIowa]

You're right - no one should talk about what coaches are hired because the common man doesn't have any say in the hiring process. Get rid of talk radio, get rid of message boards, and get rid of newspaper columns. After all, none of us have a say in the hire, right?

Talk about defeatist...

As for us Husker fans visiting other message boards - there isn't much else for a Husker fan in the winter. Also, it's raining cats and dogs in Sacramento and I'm a bit bored right now. Guess you can make an argument for me being a loser. Of course, you're the guy responding to me. Guess we're all a bunch of losers, aren't we?

Well this happened well over a month ago and has been talked about many times already. After seeing the same thing written about Cosgrove from people who don't like him, it gets kinda old.

In other news, did anyone else hear that Obama is the new president?

[SacramentoHusker]

Well this happened well over a month ago and has been talked about many times already. After seeing the same thing written about Cosgrove from people who don't like him, it gets kinda old.

In other news, did anyone else hear that Obama is the new president?

Sorry to upset your delicate sensibilities. In the future, just know that you can scroll past posts you don't like. It's pretty incredible, I know.