At What Point?

[salem79]

At What Point will all the Tubby adoration and veneration stop and people demand some performance and accountability? Today was a Monsonesque/ Molinariesque showing

[camken78]

At What Point will all the Tubby adoration and veneration stop and people demand some performance and accountability? Today was a Monsonesque/ Molinariesque showing

Why dont you tell us what our record shoud be and what should be different considering whats happened thats beyond the coaches control

[salem79]

monson could have had the same record with this talent

[Gophers_are_Golden]

monson could have had the same record with this talent

If Monson was our coach, we wouldn't have this talent.

[salem79]

Sorry, if i am not wowed that a "decent" coach from the SEC came here , and has to date, not really succeeded.....My apologies

[gopherbadgerman]

Why dont you tell us what our record shoud be and what should be different considering whats happened thats beyond the coaches control

16-5, 6-3 B10 IMO - Wins over Indiana, MSU, and Portland.

If you can't put some of the blame on coaching, then I believe you are looking through rose colored glasses.

[Art Vandelay]

I've said this from day one. That is what makes coaching here so attractive. Zero expectations and a nice paycheck. Making the NCAA Tournament once every couple of years is good enough for a majority of this fan base.

[salem79]

Art, You are wise......only the football coach gets any heat...and if they went to one rose bowl, it would buy 10 years of peace from the fanbase...low expectations=low performance

[station19]

I hereby demand some performance and accountability.

There that should do it.

[salem79]

That is a start, Station19....but Minnesotans generally will pick "good guys" over winners, so it is an uphill battle

[beowulftom]

At What Point will all the Tubby adoration and veneration stop and people demand some performance and accountability? Today was a Monsonesque/ Molinariesque showing

At what point will the Roy Williams adoration stop? Or the Pitino veneration?
Or any successful coach having a difficult season?

Or

better question

At what point will you realize you are, at some level, hoping the Gophers fail so you can be right?

Building a broken program takes time and patience. The facts say that Tubby is doing that, this season is tough, but I like this team.

[Sota1]

We are missing 3 of our top 7 players and people wonder why we are not winning? Tough to compete when you are playing with half a squad. Put it on Tubby if you would like, but we have had a fluke run of bad luck relating to elegibility. Take it for what it's worth. I had hoped they would come with a little more effort, but we were blown out by a much better team, on their home court. They are probably the best team in the big ten right now.

[salem79]

How in the world do we know that White and Mbakwe are "our best players"? Seems awfully hypothetical. This team did not lose much from last year and seems to have regressed

[Art Vandelay]

The biggest difference (as has been covered in other threads) is that Tubby doesn't blow smoke up people's butts like Brewster does. That's why Brewster gets more heat. Tubby is laid back and really doesn't say much.

[underground629]

Are you quoting yourself when you say "decent"? 3 time national coach of the year. I guess that's decent.


Sorry, if i am not wowed that a "decent" coach from the SEC came here , and has to date, not really succeeded.....My apologies

[dcollett0920]

I'm starting to think there is a reason Kentucky fans wanted to get rid of him. Our offensive execution is pitiful at best. We better get some better players in here next season, or it's going to be more of the same.

[salem79]

Here in MN we are used to bargain basement coaching, so when a national "name" comes to coach, however far removed from naional success, we are dazzled like schoolgirls here in MN

[station19]

The biggest difference (as has been covered in other threads) is that Tubby doesn't blow smoke up people's butts like Brewster does. That's why Brewster gets more heat. Tubby is laid back and really doesn't say much.

Tubby has proven in the past that he is a very good coach. Brewster is at present still trying to do that.

[akgopher]

I don't think it's fair to pin this season on Coach Smith. He's done his job assembling talent and role players, Bostick is probably the only miss. His two cornerstone recruits have criminal charges and his point guard and defensive key didn't study. This is a much different team if the external factors go as expected.

That said, I'm worried about the external factors and can see it going the other way if we don't get our suspended players back and land Cory Joseph. It could mean 2-3 years of bottom half finishes in the Big Ten. I don't see Coach Smith coaching in three years if this happens.

I'm worried about how poor our local recruiting area is this year and next. How many top 50 players have we landed outside of Minnesota in the past 20 years? Bobby Jackson and Vincent Grier were JUCOs. There won't be any local help for next year's class, and I question if we can land a national talent capable of leading our team. Would we be in the Cory Joseph race if his brother wasn't here?

This is where not landing Aldrich and/or Leuer really hurts. This isn't UCLA, Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, or Duke. We can't afford to have the two best Minnesotans in the NCAA playing elsewhere.

[salem79]

Notice that Tubby is not getting truly elite recruits? He is beating mid-majors and lower bcs schools

[Brew_recruit]

anyone who is dumb enough to compare tubby and brewster doesn't know sports at all. Also anyone who thinks Tubby is not the best thing to happen to this program in the last 20 years is just venting because maturi thinks its guilty untill proven innocent. Maturi once a badger ALWAYS a badger.

[Brew_recruit]

Notice that Tubby is not getting truly elite recruits? He is beating mid-majors and lower bcs schools

Have you been outside in MN? He is keeping the best instate guys, but its hard to convince an 18 year old to come here when you bring him on a recruiting trip and is negative15 out, and other places at the same time the girls are still wearing skirts.

[salem79]

I would actually argue that Brewster is working harder to recruit guys than Tubby, and I stand by that

[Brew_recruit]

I would actually argue that Brewster is working harder to recruit guys than Tubby, and I stand by that

Ya because brewster gets out coached so he has to hang his hat on recruiting(he also isn't as dumb as mason who pissed on all the MN HS coaches), PLUS he has to bring in around 20 new kids a year.

[dcollett0920]

I would actually argue that Brewster is working harder to recruit guys than Tubby, and I stand by that

I agree. As big a name as Tubby is, you would think we would be bringing in more top players. If we don't bring in more talent, we will never compete in the Big 10.

[salem79]

Tubby's Gophers are not in the national recruiting conversation.....picking up sloppy seconds, ala Glen Mason

[Gophers_are_Golden]

Notice that Tubby is not getting truly elite recruits?

What about Royce White, Rodney Williams, Ralph Sampson III, and Devoe Joseph?

[gopherphan]

tubbys star power can only go so far in pushing umn to get star recruits. success builds success and frankly minnesota has never been one of the power schools, thus will lose alot of talent to them. landing royce and trevor was huge. if they didnt have troubles id easily say wed be fighting for 1st in the conference if we didnt have outright by a mile. trevor is beastly from what i saw when he played at MU and royce, well 5 star talent cant mean nothing. in addition to making huge mismatches by allowing damian to play his true position

[salem79]

Getting players locally, and with prior connections....Tubby is not really working it. Be interesting to see how much travel is happening in the recruiting process at MN.......

[beowulftom]

Here in MN we are used to bargain basement coaching, so when a national "name" comes to coach, however far removed from naional success, we are dazzled like schoolgirls here in MN

Removed from national success????

Do you mean the national title he won?
Which twenty-win season is he so far from?
Which one of the four teams he's taken to the sweet sixteen?

Your cynicism is really remarkable, able to look past inconvenient things like facts.

Is the team better today then when Tubby took over?

The team has "regressed" in the sense that it hasn't had the season that most people expected it would. Tubby shoulders some of that.

But don't twist a disappointing season into a deluded screed about a very good coach and insult anyone (us "schoolirls") who disagrees with you. It makes little sense and is small.

[Brew_recruit]

Tubby's Gophers are not in the national recruiting conversation.....picking up sloppy seconds, ala Glen Mason


so a top 10 recruiting class last year isn't in the national recruiting conersation???? I love when I can prove idiots wrong, especially ones that think a loss to OSU when we play without our best player, starting pg, and our best rebounder, is going to sink the program. Tuby made the Gopher relevant in town and nationally again and you can't say anything to disprove that.

[salem79]

I am just saying that Tubby is not getting the pressure a non-"name" coach would get,and I tink that can be insidious, in creating a complacent atmosphere.

And, I am not ready to say the program is in better shape.....

[salem79]

so a top 10 recruiting class last year isn't in the national recruiting conersation???? I love when I can prove idiots wrong, especially ones that think making a loss to OSU when we play without our best player, starting pg, and our best rebounder. Tuby made the Gopher relevant in town and nationally again and you can't say anything to disprove that.


Sir, Our "best rebounder" has never played a game for us? How hypothetical can you get?

[boston.gopher]

A few thoughts:

The Big Ten was a tough conference last year and most of us knew it was going to get tougher this year as the top teams weren't losing many of their key players. Some had predicted we could have been a better team this year with the same or a slightly worse record. Do I want us to be an upper division team, sure but I'm not sure how realistic that is. From recent reports both Mbakwe and Whaite have been two of the better if not the best two players on the court in practice so yes if we had them on the court we would be a better team but we don't so we're not.

Now, I am concerned with how we have been finishing games this season. Miami, Mich St., Indiana, Northwestern, etc... I think we are something like 2-5 in games decided by 5 points or less. I think this definately has to do with coaching and play calling/setting the players up for a chance to succeed. Watching our guards try to create from 25 feet from the hoop as the play has broken down and the clock is ticking away has been maddening. I hope that we get some of that turned around but that may have to do with not having a point guard who can create on his own when the play doesn't work. Joseph has shown the ability sporadically and so has Westbrook but not consistently enough.

At this level, it's usually (not always, exhibit wisc.) the players that make the team with coaching second so with an upgrade in talent overall we should all be pleased next year, especially if C. Joseph joins the group. To compare this team to teams from the last decade is not fair as we'd be lucky to have more than one or two wins in conference at this point. I'm happy our team is relavent again and I'm looking forward to our bright future!

[Brew_recruit]

I am just saying that Tubby is not getting the pressure a non-"name" coach would get,and I tink that can be insidious, in creating a complacent atmosphere.

And, I am not ready to say the program is in better shape.....


In what way is it not better? What was our record the year before he came here? Did anyone in town give a *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# about gopher basketball before he came here? Did top recruits even know that the U was even average at basketball? Ask yourself those questions before you say that our program is not in better shape.

[dcollett0920]

so a top 10 recruiting class last year isn't in the national recruiting conersation???? I love when I can prove idiots wrong, especially ones that think making a loss to OSU when we play without our best player, starting pg, and our best rebounder. Tuby made the Gopher relevant in town and nationally again and you can't say anything to disprove that.

What good is a top 10 class when they don't get on the court? I don't blame that on Tubby fully. But he did bring in those guys, who have trouble off the court. So he has to take some of the blame for that.

But what really kills me, is watching the team. It is like pulling teeth watching them play basketball. The offense is terrible. And the defense today was non existent.

Tubby needs to put a foot in all the players butt. And he needs to do it now. If not, we are looking at not making the tournament.

[salem79]

In what way is it not better? What was our record the year before he came here? Did anyone in town give a *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# about gopher basketball before he came here? Did top recruits even know that the U was even average at basketball? Ask yourself those questions before you say that our program is not in better shape.



I see the potential for a plateauing team, with a coach insulated from criticism, and that scares me....

[fan of Ray Williams]

salem 79, you want it both ways. You complain about his lack of recruiting, but in other posts you boast about how much talent he has. You should make up your mind.

[nuggett]

Salem,
I will agree with you on this point:
Everyone is saying "if" our recruits were playing all would be different.
That is unknown. We can only "guess" how a recruit will preform at the college level.
We make those guesses based upon how they played in high school.
A GREAT NUMBER of times a recruit doesn't develop and live up to the hype that they
come into college with for whatever reason. If these guys had played for a year and proved
themselves at Div 1 level and then we lost them it would hold more water to say that
the reason we are having it tough is because we lost them. But in fact, we do not KNOW
FOR CERTAIN that this team would be one basket better if they were playing since they
have not been able to prove their worth yet.

[beowulftom]

I am just saying that Tubby is not getting the pressure a non-"name" coach would get,and I tink that can be insidious, in creating a complacent atmosphere.

And, I am not ready to say the program is in better shape.....

I do agree with you that we don't want to be a part of a "victory lap" by Tubby Smith

But the work he's done in building this program are evidence that he is not using MN as some kind of winding-down rest stop.

Highly ranked recruiting classes
The gophers are now known nationally for good defense at least
The pre-season ranking
Making the NCAA tournament

It boggles my mind how you can't say the program hasn't improved.

It really feels like you're over-reacting to a difficult season.
-

[salem79]

Bottom Line, I would have preferred a coach who was hungrier...as in Bruce Pearl.......not comfortable to hang out

[freshtrout]

In what way is it not better? What was our record the year before he came here? Did anyone in town give a *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# about gopher basketball before he came here? Did top recruits even know that the U was even average at basketball? Ask yourself those questions before you say that our program is not in better shape.

Did anyne in town give a *&%#@^* about Gopher basketball before he came here?

Yes, many of us...

[Brew_recruit]

Did anyne in town give a *&%#@^* about Gopher basketball before he came here?

Yes, many of us...

You know what I mean, you are just being a smart ass.

[freshtrout]

Nope, just commenting on a statement you made. Probably cared as much during the Monson years as ever ...

[Brew_recruit]

Nope, just commenting on a statement you made. Probably cared as much during the Monson years as ever ...

Yep and if someone from out of town asked you what people here think about the t-wolves this year you would say that no one really cares about them, but there are some people who still watch them on tv and go to the games.

[anticallihan]

What about Royce White, Rodney Williams, Ralph Sampson III, and Devoe Joseph?

Royce is a thief and a cheater who hasn't played a game. Williams was like third team all metro.

[goldygo4]

Royce White-Top 50 player in the NATION Other Notable Offers-Wiscy, Illinios, Miama(FL), Michigan State, and USC
Rodney Williams-Top 75 player in the NATION ONO-Wiscy, Iowa, Miama(FL)
D. Joseph-Top 75 ONO-Kansas, Virginia Tech, Vandy, Michigan
RSIII-Top 75 ONO-Georgia Tech,Clemson,Kentucky,and Maryland

Yes Royce has had some off the court problems, but if Tubby hadn't recruited him people like salem would be talking about how Tubby is a poor recruiter and didn't get the #1(and 5*)player in the state. And aticallihan call him a cheater all you want but he got kicked out of De LaSalle for cheating on a test. Who hasn't ever looked at someone else's paper to see if they got an answer you didn't? Everyone has cheated at some point in their lives and that's just the way the culture is now days. I don't agree with it, but it's just the way America is. Have a problem with it? Run for President and change the world, just don't bitch about it on here anticallihan.

And it's been noted that in practice Royce and Trevor are the 2 best players on the court, so that's how we know that they are 2 top players on the team. And i'll rephrase what Brew_recruit said, Outside of Season Ticket Holders/GHolers who in the state cared about Gopher hoops? Since Tubby came we get discussed in the Big Ten, and have had 2 20 win seasons.

Oh and salem one last thing. You say you want a coach who's more hungry like Bruce Pearl, well there's no way in h3ll any big named coach would come here if we still had Monson as our coach. Tubby Smith has given the University of Minnesota Basketball team National Exposure is hasn't had since Clem was our coach

[freshtrout]

Yep and if someone from out of town asked you what people here think about the t-wolves this year you would say that no one really cares about them, but there are some people who still watch them on tv and go to the games.

Comparing the T-Wolves and the Gophers is a deal-breaker -

[Hates Monikers]

Notice that Tubby is not getting truly elite recruits? He is beating mid-majors and lower bcs schools

I ususally try to ignore trolls, but this is just so far off base it requires a response. According to Rivals:

Joseph had offers from Kansas, Michigan, St. John's, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt and Virigina Tech, and I seem to recall Texas in the mix at the end.

Sampson had offers from Clemson, Georgia Tech, Kentucky and Maryland.

Iverson had offers from Florida, Creighton, Iowa, Iowa State and Nebraska.

Cobbs had offers from USC, Colorado, Iowa and Washington State.

White had offers from Arkansas, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa State, Miami, Michigan State, USC and Wisconsin.

Williams had offers from Iowa, Miami and Wisconsin.

Eliason has offers from Creighton and Stanford.

Hollins has offers from Memphis, Arkansas and Oregon State.

[akgopher]

The only legit complaint about Coach Smith's tenure would be the present underwhelming recruiting class. That goes away if he gets Devoe's little brother. It's really bad news if he strikes out with the other Joseph and next year's class is a repeat.

[MRJ]

I love it when new posters come on and make over-the-top statements only to be shown that they don't have any idea about the actual facts. It makes for great entertainment. Nothing else of substance, but great entertainment nonetheless.

[davyjones]

Sorry folks, the recruiting is very mediocre so far and most fans here are happy to finish in the top 64 every 2-3 years. Perfect fit for Tubby. He really has shown nothing so far other than they used to play good defense-no more.

[MRJ]

Sorry folks, the recruiting is very mediocre so far and most fans here are happy to finish in the top 64 every 2-3 years. Perfect fit for Tubby. He really has shown nothing so far other than they used to play good defense-no more.

Case and point. Again, keep up the good work. :clap:

[anticallihan]

You don't get kicked out of school for just cheating on one test.

I'll give Tubby credit for each recuit that plays a game. More credit if they pull more than one full season. Even more credit if they stay elligible and out of the courthouse.

I am not going to Give congrats to Tubby for the best two practice players.


Royce White-Top 50 player in the NATION Other Notable Offers-Wiscy, Illinios, Miama(FL), Michigan State, and USC
Rodney Williams-Top 75 player in the NATION ONO-Wiscy, Iowa, Miama(FL)
D. Joseph-Top 75 ONO-Kansas, Virginia Tech, Vandy, Michigan
RSIII-Top 75 ONO-Georgia Tech,Clemson,Kentucky,and Maryland

Yes Royce has had some off the court problems, but if Tubby hadn't recruited him people like salem would be talking about how Tubby is a poor recruiter and didn't get the #1(and 5*)player in the state. And aticallihan call him a cheater all you want but he got kicked out of De LaSalle for cheating on a test. Who hasn't ever looked at someone else's paper to see if they got an answer you didn't? Everyone has cheated at some point in their lives and that's just the way the culture is now days. I don't agree with it, but it's just the way America is. Have a problem with it? Run for President and change the world, just don't bitch about it on here anticallihan.

And it's been noted that in practice Royce and Trevor are the 2 best players on the court, so that's how we know that they are 2 top players on the team. And i'll rephrase what Brew_recruit said, Outside of Season Ticket Holders/GHolers who in the state cared about Gopher hoops? Since Tubby came we get discussed in the Big Ten, and have had 2 20 win seasons.

Oh and salem one last thing. You say you want a coach who's more hungry like Bruce Pearl, well there's no way in h3ll any big named coach would come here if we still had Monson as our coach. Tubby Smith has given the University of Minnesota Basketball team National Exposure is hasn't had since Clem was our coach

[camken78]

16-5, 6-3 B10 IMO - Wins over Indiana, MSU, and Portland.

If you can't put some of the blame on coaching, then I believe you are looking through rose colored glasses.

I can put some of the blame on tubby but I can put more on reality, not every recruit is gonna be squeaky clean and not every starter is exempt from failing classes. things happen and coaches have bad games, if i were to prioritize my rants then blaming tubby will be a little ways down on my list, if i were gonna be realistic.

[camken78]

Bottom Line, I would have preferred a coach who was hungrier...as in Bruce Pearl.......not comfortable to hang out

Maybe your right because Bruce pearl's hunger has gun-totin, weed smokin ball players on the court already, yea we need that hunger. I have to congratulate you because this thread wouldnt have so many pages if you would've said something sensible, so I guess 5th graders are the best thread starters. Thanx for keeping it lively kid.

[Friend Of Tubby]

Royce is a thief and a cheater who hasn't played a game. Williams was like third team all metro.

R Williams was 1st team All-State and rated among Top 50-100 HS players in 2009 class.

[Friend Of Tubby]

Sorry folks, the recruiting is very mediocre so far and most fans here are happy to finish in the top 64 every 2-3 years. Perfect fit for Tubby. He really has shown nothing so far other than they used to play good defense-no more.

BS and racist drivel.

Tubby has recruited Top 20 or better class in 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, and 2009. That's 12 of the past 14 years.

Tubby has 9 Sweet 16 finishes since 1993. Only 2 coaches - Roy Williams and Coach K - have 10 Sweet 16 in that timeframe.

[scools12]

so a top 10 recruiting class last year isn't in the national recruiting conersation???? I love when I can prove idiots wrong, especially ones that think a loss to OSU when we play without our best player, starting pg, and our best rebounder, is going to sink the program. Tuby made the Gopher relevant in town and nationally again and you can't say anything to disprove that.

the only part of this that can be called true is the "starting pg" the rest is mere speculation on your part. so I doubt you proved any idiots wrong

[macgopher]

Great MRJ, new posters vs old. The wisdom in your comment is so enlightening and refreshing. I hope some day when I am an old poster that I am as linear in my thinking as you are. Something to strive for.

Grading Tubby, I say incomplete. Clearly a more athletic team this year, and first in a long time. Yet can't fathom today, and other tight loss's this year. Missing a down the stretch, late game closer?

Can't understand the soft tenative passing by Blake the 1st half, why would he do that? Hasn't done that before, seemed odd. And Iverson doesn't seem to know his limitations. Sampson not standing out either. Rest of the team, just seemed desperate to find the magic. Is this coaching? Appears like it.

But he is a recruiter, and it has been just two years with two prized recruits not yet playing. That is not his fault. Would those two playing equal a noticeably different record? Maybe, who knows. And then would he be a great coach?

Next year will tell more.

[akgopher]

I just hope it goes better here for Coach Smith than it did in Lubbock for Coach Knight.

[andy]

At What Point will all the Tubby adoration and veneration stop and people demand some performance and accountability? Today was a Monsonesque/ Molinariesque showing

Ah yes, the troll's dichotomy... Either we adore Tubby or we "demand" performance and accountability. If only we fans were really so easy to classify, these types of posts might actually have some merit.

The truth is (and I know it may be hard for you to believe, salem79) that many of us neither adore Tubby nor have the power to 'demand' anything from him. How does one actually go about demanding something from a man who is under contract and will continue to coach here, and furthermore, knows more about basketball than most of us combined?

Being angry on a message board does not constitute demanding accountability. The only way to do so, IMHO, is to fill the barn, stay for the whole game, and cheer for the team, so that the coach knows that his fan base actually gives a damn.

[salem79]

Ah yes, the troll's dichotomy... Either we adore Tubby or we "demand" performance and accountability. If only we fans were really so easy to classify, these types of posts might actually have some merit.

The truth is (and I know it may be hard for you to believe, salem79) that many of us neither adore Tubby nor have the power to 'demand' anything from him. How does one actually go about demanding something from a man who is under contract and will continue to coach here, and furthermore, knows more about basketball than most of us combined?

Being angry on a message board does not constitute demanding accountability. The only way to do so, IMHO, is to fill the barn, stay for the whole game, and cheer for the team, so that the coach knows that his fan base actually gives a damn.


My point is that the score today would have been the same in 05-06 and 06-07....This guy has not taken the program very far in 3 years

[andy]

My point is that the score today would have been the same in 05-06 and 06-07....This guy has not taken the program very far in 3 years

I agree! The only difference I think is that the very real difference-makers aren't playing right now. That includes Nolen, who's presence alone could have kept us in this game today.

[salem79]

I continue to be amazed how much clout people on here give players who have never played

[nuggett]

BS and racist drivel.

Tubby has recruited Top 20 or better class in 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, and 2009. That's 12 of the past 14 years.

Tubby has 9 Sweet 16 finishes since 1993. Only 2 coaches - Roy Williams and Coach K - have 10 Sweet 16 in that timeframe.

FOT
What part of that is "racist? "
Just because someone doesn't think Tubby walks on water and is due to cure cancer next week
does NOT make them racist. You make some good points about Tubby, I understand you like
him and want to defend him, however, when you start playing the race card it undermines any
good points you may bring to the table. Tubby Smith is one of the better coaches in Div1 b-ball
and does NOT need to be defended by calling a person racist just because they don't agree
with you.
Tubby is above using the race card, he would not appreciate it.

[SonOfTheVarsity]

Hey, nice to have new posters like Salem, Davyjones, et al. If there's one thing this board really needed it was more new posters unfamiliar with the game of basketball to recycle uninformed opinions. Really, great to have you.

But a little advice for future posts. Hit that open new window tab in you browser and actually do a little basic research before commenting. Maybe then you'd stop embarrassing yourself.

[dboy]

BS and racist drivel.

Tubby has recruited Top 20 or better class in 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, and 2009. That's 12 of the past 14 years.

Tubby has 9 Sweet 16 finishes since 1993. Only 2 coaches - Roy Williams and Coach K - have 10 Sweet 16 in that timeframe.

according to ESPN, the 08 class was 25th, the 09 class was 22nd..... stop calling them what they are not ( top 20 ).

[beowulftom]

My point is that the score today would have been the same in 05-06 and 06-07....This guy has not taken the program very far in 3 years


It is so hard to argue with the absurd.

[goldygo4]

salem, I can see your doubts with Royce, but Trevor has played, and before his knee injury he looked very promising at MU in the little time he did play, and you honestly believe that the program hasn't gone very far in the past 3 years? In two seasons Tubby has gone 42-25. The best Monson ever did in 2 years was go 37-26. Tubby already has as many NCAA appearances with the Gophers as Monson did in his 7 year tenure with Minnesota. This program is way ahead of where it was going under Monson. Yeah today was a tough loss, but every coach has had a couple bad losses.

[dboy]

so a top 10 recruiting class last year isn't in the national recruiting conersation???? I love when I can prove idiots wrong, especially ones that think a loss to OSU when we play without our best player, starting pg, and our best rebounder, is going to sink the program. Tuby made the Gopher relevant in town and nationally again and you can't say anything to disprove that.

who's the idiot.. it was the #22 class, not a 'top 10' class.
throw out the in-state guys, and what do you have??

[dboy]

You don't get kicked out of school for just cheating on one test.
I'll give Tubby credit for each recuit that plays a game. More credit if they pull more than one full season. Even more credit if they stay elligible and out of the courthouse.

I am not going to Give congrats to Tubby for the best two practice players.


what i heard from a DLS source was that he used a choice word on the principle's daughter.

[goldygo4]

I heard it was for cheating, but hell dboy if that's what he got kicked out for he really got screwed over. First Amendment is supposed to protect his right of saying whatever he wants to, whether the principle likes it or not.

[Friend Of Tubby]

according to ESPN, the 08 class was 25th, the 09 class was 22nd..... stop calling them what they are not ( top 20 ).

Consensus Top 20 classes, numb nut. Not every recruiting service rates classes the same.

[Friend Of Tubby]

who's the idiot.. it was the #22 class, not a 'top 10' class.
throw out the in-state guys, and what do you have??

dboy = dracist, I think.

[station19]

salem, I can see your doubts with Royce, but Trevor has played, and before his knee injury he looked very promising at MU in the little time he did play, and you honestly believe that the program hasn't gone very far in the past 3 years? In two seasons Tubby has gone 42-25. The best Monson ever did in 2 years was go 37-26. Tubby already has as many NCAA appearances with the Gophers as Monson did in his 7 year tenure with Minnesota. This program is way ahead of where it was going under Monson. Yeah today was a tough loss, but every coach has had a couple bad losses.

Bobby Knight lost to Gophers by 50 and he was a pretty good coach.

[dboy]

Consensus Top 20 classes, numb nut. Not every recruiting service rates classes the same.

please provide links to the 'other' sites.
thanks ahead of time.

[dboy]

dboy = dracist, I think.


friend of tubby = race baiter.