Royce Charged

[nooram]

Myron Tweet

Royce White has been charged with two counts of misdemeanor trespassing related to laptop theft investigation.

[Ski U Master]

2 counts misdemeanor trespassing according to Myron's tweet.

[From the Barn]

That's it? Really? Way to go UMPD.

[millions2spare]

ok...let the guy play...that's like a J-walking offense

[dbuton]

That's it? Really? Way to go UMPD.

Looks like not enough to charge Royce with anything else, so we are going to got you this way. How many misdemeanors can one guy have before he is finally let go? While not a "big" crime, it is still a crime. Guess there goes any chance we see him this year or maybe ever...

[ShowinGoldyLove]

Wow, 2 counts of misdemeanor trespassing after all that?! Please.

Now that this charade is done with, let's move on.

[In Tubby We Trust]

Looks like not enough to charge Royce with anything else, so we are going to got you this way. How many misdemeanors can one guy have before he is finally let go? While not a "big" crime, it is still a crime. Guess there goes any chance we see him this year or maybe ever...

are you nuts? I am taking this the other way....I bet we see Royce reinstated immediately and on the court very soon!

[StewieGopherFan]

Looks like not enough to charge Royce with anything else, so we are going to got you this way. How many misdemeanors can one guy have before he is finally let go? While not a "big" crime, it is still a crime. Guess there goes any chance we see him this year or maybe ever...

I'm sure Tubby knew what Royce was going to be charged with and realizes the charges are so minimal that he allowed him to practice.

[ShowinGoldyLove]

Guess there goes any chance we see him this year or maybe ever...
We could see him ASAP. Do you know what a misdemeanor is? Probably 20-30 happen a night at the U.

[cheeseheadgophfan]

As a District Attorney, I'm embarassed. That's a chicken-*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# charge. I'm assuming the charge arises from him being in a dorm where he was not supposed to be? Who's the victim? The University? This is not the way the criminal justice system is supposed to work. It sounds like they're trying to save face after spending a ton of resources on a minor incident.

[9194Gophs]

Maturi and Tubby were already aware he was 'trespassing' in the dorms when he wasn't suppose to be. If that was reason enough to kick him off the team they would have done it long ago.

Heeeeeeeee's BACK! IMO.

[Monty519]

Why did he even get trespassing? Was he not supposed to be in the dorm at all? I mean, if so that was kinda dumb, but seems like a cop out for them cause they can't nail him with what they want. Very strange to me.

[ShowinGoldyLove]

As a District Attorney, I'm embarassed. That's a chicken-*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# charge. I'm assuming the charge arises from him being in a dorm where he was not supposed to be? Who's the victim? The University? This is not the way the criminal justice system is supposed to work. It sounds like they're trying to save face after spending a ton of resources on a minor incident.
Totally agree...what a joke.

They try to save face by giving him 2 counts for literally only walking into a dorm where he wasn't "supposed" to be? Please.

[howeda7]

As a District Attorney, I'm embarassed. That's a chicken-*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# charge. I'm assuming the charge arises from him being in a dorm where he was not supposed to be? Who's the victim? The University? This is not the way the criminal justice system is supposed to work. It sounds like they're trying to save face after spending a ton of resources on a minor incident.

Exactly. Royce may not be the greatest guy in the world, but this is pathetic. If virtually any other student at the U had been involved in this, the 'investigation' would have ended after 5 minutes with a pat on the shoulder and a 'though luck, kid, lock your room next time.' They obviously felt they had to justify themselves to bring this pathetic charge. The UMPD should be publically called out by Maturi and Bruinicks. They won't be, I know, but it should happen.

[vaporboy]

This is a f@*%in' shake down! Witch hunting is alive and well in MN.

Sadly, Tubby likely won't let him play even though there are people playing in the league that are facing felony charges. And this could very well screw up his plea agreement in the prior misdemeanor charges as well.

[jovs]

Why even waist the resources. They spent three months for a trespassing charge, he should play tommorow. If that is what they were going to charge him with it should have been done in November. A complete scam.

[dbuton]

This is a f@*%in' shake down! Witch hunting is alive and well in MN.

Sadly, Tubby likely won't let him play even though there are people playing in the league that are facing felony charges. And this could very well screw up his plea agreement in the prior misdemeanor charges as well.

yea that is what i am wondering how will this affect his plea deal... while a trumt up charge it could have really bad consiquences for royce

[9194Gophs]

this could very well screw up his plea agreement in the prior misdemeanor charges as well.

Thats a good point, his lawyer be putting in overtime.

[MRJ]

Yeah, this whole thing is pretty darn fishy. I know trespassing is a crime, but holy cow, after all that wasted time, they charge him with the equivalent of being somewhere he wasn't supposed to be. Wow. I guess this investigation was time well spent. :rolleyes:

[samthebutcher]

Looks like not enough to charge Royce with anything else, so we are going to got you this way. How many misdemeanors can one guy have before he is finally let go? While not a "big" crime, it is still a crime. Guess there goes any chance we see him this year or maybe ever...

Maturi needs grow a pair. Sit Tubby down and let him know the type of kids he has been bringing into the program is no longer going to be tolerated. The program is becoming a joke.

[ShowinGoldyLove]

yea that is what i am wondering how will this affect his plea deal... while a trumt up charge it could have really bad consiquences for royce
Doubt it. They already knew about dorm incident this when they were pleading in the MOA deal. At worst it will go on his permanent record, but a misdemeanor is not going to exacerbate the previous charge at the MOA.

[Mikie S]

Myron Tweet

Royce White has been charged with two counts of misdemeanor trespassing related to laptop theft investigation.
Why the rush to judgment?

[ShowinGoldyLove]

Maturi needs grow a pair. Sit Tubby down and let him know the type of kids he has been bringing into the program is no longer going to be tolerated. The program is becoming a joke.
If every program kicked out a kid that had a misdemeanor in high school/college, you'd probably have a problem filling out rosters across the country.

[Brew_recruit]

As a District Attorney, I'm embarassed. That's a chicken-*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# charge. I'm assuming the charge arises from him being in a dorm where he was not supposed to be? Who's the victim? The University? This is not the way the criminal justice system is supposed to work. It sounds like they're trying to save face after spending a ton of resources on a minor incident.

I had to deal with the city attorney and she tried the same bs with me when she didn't get me to admit to obstruction, she said she would charge me with illegal assembly, when I said I would fight that too she dropped everything. I guarantee Royce ends up with nothing out of this.

[dbuton]

If every program kicked out a kid that had a misdemeanor in high school/college, you'd probably have a problem filling out rosters across the country.

maybe true, but how many misdemeanors does he have, and how many is enough?

[bga1]

I had to deal with the city attorney and she tried the same bs with me when she didn't get me to admit to obstruction, she said she would charge me with illegal assembly, when I said I would fight that too she dropped everything. I guarantee Royce ends up with nothing out of this.

I'm all for laws and paying your due penalty etc. But this is a garbage charge. I seriously doubt that there would have been any charges were this not a high profile case in the news. The police are acting like dog catchers here. I'd say he's paid his price and he should be on court. One more screw up and he's gone, but this one should be over.

[howeda7]

I wouldn't have such a huge problem with this charge if they'd completed thier investigation and charged Royce with this in a week or two. But to drag it out for nearly 3 months and then charge him like this is petty and weak.

Given the immense waste of time and taxpayer resources, they would have looked horrible if they'd charged him with nothing, but this doesn't make them come off any better. Just petty and vindictive, covering thier own arses, IMO.

[Mikie S]

I had to deal with the city attorney and she tried the same bs with me when she didn't get me to admit to obstruction, she said she would charge me with illegal assembly, when I said I would fight that too she dropped everything. I guarantee Royce ends up with nothing out of this.
So you've also had a run-in with the law?

"I'M SHOCKED! ... SHOCKED!"

[samthebutcher]

are you nuts? I am taking this the other way....I bet we see Royce reinstated immediately and on the court very soon!

Let the inmates run the asylum? How desperate has the program become?

[millions2spare]

Let this Kid Play!

For those folks on here who want him off the team for his lack of perfection, please look yourself in the mirror before you spout off. Remember the next time you are speeding on 494 and don't get caught, yor when you jwalk across hennepin Ave, or when you get a speeding ticket, or when you say something so stupid on this website, ou are actually comitting a more serious offense than what RW is charged with! What a waste of money,resources, and time. This may have cost the Big Ten Hundreds of Thousands of dollars if they miss the NCAA tournament.

His attitide and some of his deeds certainly don't thrill me. But give the kid the benefit of the doubt and LET ROYCE PLAY

[GophersOnTheRise]

So does this mean the whole laptop thing is concluded and over with?

[ShowinGoldyLove]

Let the inmates run the asylum? How desperate has the program become?
Let new trolls dictate discussion? How desperate has Gopherhole become?

[ShowinGoldyLove]

So does this mean the whole laptop thing is concluded and over with?
Yes.

[Gold Vision]

Let the inmates run the asylum? How desperate has the program become?

Give me a break, Royce had offers from nearly every team in the Big Ten. You take a risk on a kid with that kind of talent.

[centerofmn]

We waited months and months for two trespassing charges? What a joke. I'm sure every other student will agree with me when I say that hundreds of people could be charged with this every weekend on campus.

[millions2spare]

I get a kick out of the members here who call everyone who is new and disagrees a troll...they must be left wing looooonaticks who can't handle a real debate or have anything between their legs enough to have a real point.

LET ROYCE PLAY!

[ShowinGoldyLove]

who call everyone who is new and disagrees a troll...
Disagreement is one thing, insinuating that our program is an asylum is moronic. Tubby's been an upstanding guy his entire career.

[Ogee Oglethorpe]

I'm sure Tubby knew what Royce was going to be charged with and realizes the charges are so minimal that he allowed him to practice.

In my opinion, this means one thing and one thing only:


C-L-O-S-U-R-E!!!

End of story, everybody moves on. Tubby and Co. likely knew this is the way things were heading.

Royce will be playing by the first week of February, I'm guessing anyway.

[StPaulHawkeye]

From a university and athletic department level, the damage has already been done.
Some will say (and have already posted) that the only reason he was charged at all is because he is a high-profile athlete; others will say that he "only" got misdemeanor charges because he is a high-profile athlete. It's now a no win situation for Coach Smith or Joel Maturi. There are issues with letting him stay and issues with letting him go. It's unfortunate.
On a personal level, I wish him well; he has 2 investigations under his belt in under 1 year of college. He needs a mentor (which I'm sure he has already), someone to help him identify and help him stay out of situations where his actions could potentially be called into question.

[Block M]

For all we know, Royce may have been observed leaving the dorm room in question. Not sure if Tubby will let him play or not. My feeling is that this happened two months, ago, he's been clean since and maintained good grades, so I would say 20 games is enough and let him play.

[samthebutcher]

If every program kicked out a kid that had a misdemeanor in high school/college, you'd probably have a problem filling out rosters across the country.

Royce has one misdemeanor and no other issues. Keep your head buried in the sand. The problems are not only with one player. The problems have become systemic. This reflects poorly on the program and the university. It is becoming clear that winning is more important to Tubby than doing the right thing. Sad.

[millions2spare]

SGL...I agree with you!

So Let Royce Play!

[tjgopher]

Let the inmates run the asylum? How desperate has the program become?

Hey Sam. You are not fooling anyone with your feigned concern for the Gopher program. You aren't a Gopher fan. That is clear. Go back to your Bucky board and trash us there. No need to pretend you're concerned about our program and pile on here.

[GophersOnTheRise]

Anyone who thinks Royce should be kicked off for a couple misdemeanors must either be new to division one sports or is completely living under a rock. My friend got kicked out of a dorm last year and went there last weekend to pick up a friend before a party. I never thought it was a big deal since he wasn't there long and didn't cause any problems, but I guess if he played basketball then he would deserve to be kicked out of school and thrown in prison, right?

[the accomplice]

And I believe that people who can't spell must be left-wing lunatics. It's spelled disciple, not 'Desciple' there buddy boy.


Btw, trespassing isn't really a crime. It's just frowned upon. Kind of like masturbating on an airplane.

[dbuton]

Royce has one misdemeanor and no other issues. Keep your head buried in the sand. The problems are not only with one player. The problems have become systemic. This reflects poorly on the program and the university. It is becoming clear that winning is more important to Tubby than doing the right thing. Sad.

IF winning is the most important thing to Tubby i think we would have seen Royce playing already

[Section201]

Looks like not enough to charge Royce with anything else, so we are going to got you this way. How many misdemeanors can one guy have before he is finally let go? While not a "big" crime, it is still a crime. Guess there goes any chance we see him this year or maybe ever...

No, possibly it is not a "crime" in the legal sense. I had a dust up with EmDub previously along these lines and he schooled me on the legality of a "crime". A petty misdemeanor is not a "crime".

here is the snippet from: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.02

609.02 DEFINITIONS.
Subdivision 1.Crime."Crime" means conduct which is prohibited by statute and for which the actor may be sentenced to imprisonment, with or without a fine.

Subd. 2.Felony."Felony" means a crime for which a sentence of imprisonment for more than one year may be imposed.

Subd. 2a.[Repealed, 1999 c 194 s 11]

Subd. 3.Misdemeanor."Misdemeanor" means a crime for which a sentence of not more than 90 days or a fine of not more than $1,000, or both, may be imposed.

Subd. 4.Gross misdemeanor."Gross misdemeanor" means any crime which is not a felony or misdemeanor. The maximum fine which may be imposed for a gross misdemeanor is $3,000.

Subd. 4a.Petty misdemeanor."Petty misdemeanor" means a petty offense which is prohibited by statute, which does not constitute a crime and for which a sentence of a fine of not more than $300 may be imposed.

[Gold Vision]

Royce has one misdemeanor and no other issues. Keep your head buried in the sand. The problems are not only with one player. The problems have become systemic. This reflects poorly on the program and the university. It is becoming clear that winning is more important to Tubby than doing the right thing. Sad.

Neither Mbakwe or Royce have played a minute of College Basketball under Tubby Smith. Royce sat out 20 games before he was even allowed back at practice. It seems you are the one with your head in the sand.

[millions2spare]

hey accccccomlice......why don't you google the name and you will find out exactly what I am spelling. This is a G-rated board so I would expect you to have a little more class in your ANALogies...............

Let Royce Play

[dbuton]

No, possibly it is not a "crime" in the legal sense. I had a dust up with EmDub previously along these lines and he schooled me on the legality of a "crime". A petty misdemeanor is not a "crime".

here is the snippet from: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.02

609.02 DEFINITIONS.
Subdivision 1.Crime."Crime" means conduct which is prohibited by statute and for which the actor may be sentenced to imprisonment, with or without a fine.

Subd. 2.Felony."Felony" means a crime for which a sentence of imprisonment for more than one year may be imposed.

Subd. 2a.[Repealed, 1999 c 194 s 11]

Subd. 3.Misdemeanor."Misdemeanor" means a crime for which a sentence of not more than 90 days or a fine of not more than $1,000, or both, may be imposed.

Subd. 4.Gross misdemeanor."Gross misdemeanor" means any crime which is not a felony or misdemeanor. The maximum fine which may be imposed for a gross misdemeanor is $3,000.

Subd. 4a.Petty misdemeanor."Petty misdemeanor" means a petty offense which is prohibited by statute, which does not constitute a crime and for which a sentence of a fine of not more than $300 may be imposed.

Interesting, i will look at it some more. So u can be charged with a misdemeanor, i mean petty misdemeanor, but yet that is not a "crime" in the legal sense?

[BobWowGoph]

Hey Sam. You are not fooling anyone with your feigned concern for the Gopher program. You aren't a Gopher fan. That is clear. Go back to your Bucky board and trash us there. No need to pretend you're concerned about our program and pile on here.

Yeah, it's not like he pushed his girlfriend down the stairs and then stole her shoes. If he did that, then I would agree that he should be kicked off the team.

[Section201]

Interesting, i will look at it some more. So u can be charged with a misdemeanor, i mean petty misdemeanor, but yet that is not a "crime" in the legal sense?

Yup. I was surprised too. The MOA "event" was a petty misdemeanor and NOT a crime.

Kudos to EmDub for pointing out that fact in a December thread.

Not sure what level of misdemeanor this laptop/dorm charge will be. In any case, what a joke.

[Ski U Master]

Myron tweets:

"Correction: Royce White has been charged with three counts of misdemeanor trespassing."

"Court documents: White entered a dorm room "uninvited" and told female occupant: "Hey, I'm Royce. Do you know who I am?""

[StewieGopherFan]

Myron now just tweeted that it's 3 charges of trespassing now... OH NO!!!

[BobWowGoph]

From a university and athletic department level, the damage has already been done.
Some will say (and have already posted) that the only reason he was charged at all is because he is a high-profile athlete; others will say that he "only" got misdemeanor charges because he is a high-profile athlete.


I think the fact that the investigation was so long and he wasn't charged with worth shows that the UMPD didn't have any other options. If he was slapped with a trespassing charge the week after the incident, it would be easier to argue that he got off because of his high profile status.

[fan of Ray Williams]

or when you say something so stupid on this website

It kind of caught my eye.

[samthebutcher]

Interesting, i will look at it some more. So u can be charged with a misdemeanor, i mean petty misdemeanor, but yet that is not a "crime" in the legal sense? Now it is not a crime? Surely Royce was the party wronged in all of this. A scholarship is not enough. Royce desrves an award and a settlement for having been singled out unfairly. LOL
N

[Brew_recruit]

So you've also had a run-in with the law?

"I'M SHOCKED! ... SHOCKED!"

Nope, no charges, took 2 seconds to win, UMPD are bad at their jobs FACT!!!!

[millions2spare]

Very strong source....Expect Royce vs OSU on Jan 31st

[Mikie S]

Let this Kid Play!

For those folks on here who want him off the team for his lack of perfection, please look yourself in the mirror before you spout off. Remember the next time you are speeding on 494 and don't get caught, yor when you jwalk across hennepin Ave, or when you get a speeding ticket, or when you say something so stupid on this website, ou are actually comitting a more serious offense than what RW is charged with! What a waste of money,resources, and time. This may have cost the Big Ten Hundreds of Thousands of dollars if they miss the NCAA tournament.

His attitide and some of his deeds certainly don't thrill me. But give the kid the benefit of the doubt and LET ROYCE PLAY
Thanks for reminding me of a point I originally brought up months ago.

How many times was White out shoplifting before he got caught the first time? We are talking about a crime where only one in 20 or even 50 get caught. I suppose the Mall thing could have been Royce's first time, but if could have been his 50th too.

BTW ... It was reported a couple years ago that two Twin's coaches were warned about j-walking as they left the dome after a night game. What's with those Twins?

[ShowinGoldyLove]

Very strong source....Expect Royce vs OSU on Jan 31st
You think Shooter is a strong source?

Besides our local newspaper, what kind of "strong source" can you have living in CA?

[Missed-layup]

Myron Tweet

Royce White has been charged with two counts of misdemeanor trespassing related to laptop theft investigation.

Before you post things make sure the facts are correct. He has 3 counts according to the Star and TRibune.

[millions2spare]

mikeeeee S...look yourself in the mirror before you condemn a kid.We are talking about tressssssspessssing! The MOA incident is done. You are a very judgemental and I would even suspect have issues with race. I would say, this kid deserves a chance to play.

Let royce play

[samthebutcher]

I think the fact that the investigation was so long and he wasn't charged with worth shows that the UMPD didn't have any other options. If he was slapped with a trespassing charge the week after the incident, it would be easier to argue that he got off because of his high profile status.

It is obvious the police believe he is guilty of the theft. They were unable to obtain enough solid evidence to charge him with the theft. He was charged with what they believe can be proven.

[Ski U Master]

So trespassing is no big deal? I sure don't want strange people coming into my apartment or dorm room uninvited, but I guess I'm in the minority.

[ShowinGoldyLove]

It is obvious the police believe he is guilty of the theft. They were unable to obtain enough solid evidence to charge him with the theft. He was charged with what they believe can be proven.
That's generally how the American justice system works. :eek:

Of course, you may prefer a country where people are charged and found guilty with things that can't be proven?

[Gopher Warrior]

Before you post things make sure the facts are correct. He has 3 counts according to the Star and TRibune.

Get your facts correct. There is no 'Star and TRibune'.

[tjgopher]

It is obvious the police believe he is guilty of the theft. They were unable to obtain enough solid evidence to charge him with the theft. He was charged with what they believe can be proven.

That is not right at all. The police do NOT believe Royce stole the laptop. That has been clear from nearly the beginning. What it appears they are doing is trying to shake him down to have him flip on a buddy or two whom the cops think MAY have taken the computer (which was returned a day, maybe two days later, btw). Royce has not been a "suspect" in the actual theft from almost the beginning. He was removed from their internal "suspect" list long ago and that's why Tubby & Company have been getting frustrated with the slowness of this. They were apparently informed early on that Royce was not suspected of the actual theft.

The cops lone "tool" in the shakedown was knowing Tubby wasn't playing Royce and that Royce wanted to play. They felt they might get him to roll on a couple of his friends who the police aren't even sure took the computer. Now, word gets out that Tubby has Royce practicing and likely will be playing soon, and lo and behold, the cops file the trespassing charges because they know they no longer have the hammer of the suspension. They're trying to save face and it is a joke, really.

Now, that said, Royce absolutely has some maturing to do. Never should have been in the dorm in the first place. Hopefully, this puts him on the right path. Maybe getting to actually play will motivate him to fly right. If not, he is obviously out of chances.

[gopherkinta]

How about suspending him for road games or not at all like UW? BTW, check Samthebutcher's post history, very evident he's a badger fan so just ignore...

[Doc1001]

if he was ordered to stay out of the dorm. After all the trouble he was in he should know to keep his nose clean. Who does he think he is? If he wasnt ordered to stay out of the dorm then its weak. I have a feeling there is more than just walking around a dorm. He needed this wake up call in my opinion. I get the feeling he thinks the law is not meant for him.

[nooram]

Before you post things make sure the facts are correct. He has 3 counts according to the Star and TRibune.

Are you calling me out? Or Myron? I just copy and pasted a "tweet" by Myron minutes after he posted it. I made no claims to its validity.

[Section201]

Are you calling me out? Or Myron? I just copy and pasted a "tweet" by Myron minutes after he posted it. I made no claims to its validity.

I suggest the "ignore" feature.

:)

[Missed-layup]

I'm calling you out to the extent of you should post the story from the paper. Some of your "facts" are wrong. Not a big deal except you have some lug heads in here doing research thinking they are Perry Mason thus you wasted their time.

[Monty519]

"Court documents: White entered a dorm room "uninvited" and told female occupant: "Hey, I'm Royce. Do you know who I am?""

Haha, he played the "Don't you know who I am?" card

[macgohper]

It's about frickin time! Even if its a trumped up charge.How sad can the umpd be?Let this poor kid do what he does best , which is to entertain us. But now let him entertain us ON the court.

[eker0016]

That is not right at all. The police do NOT believe Royce stole the laptop. That has been clear from nearly the beginning. What it appears they are doing is trying to shake him down to have him flip on a buddy or two whom the cops think MAY have taken the computer (which was returned a day, maybe two days later, btw). Royce has not been a "suspect" in the actual theft from almost the beginning. He was removed from their internal "suspect" list long ago and that's why Tubby & Company have been getting frustrated with the slowness of this. They were apparently informed early on that Royce was not suspected of the actual theft.

The cops lone "tool" in the shakedown was knowing Tubby wasn't playing Royce and that Royce wanted to play. They felt they might get him to roll on a couple of his friends who the police aren't even sure took the computer. Now, word gets out that Tubby has Royce practicing and likely will be playing soon, and lo and behold, the cops file the trespassing charges because they know they no longer have the hammer of the suspension. They're trying to save face and it is a joke, really.

Now, that said, Royce absolutely has some maturing to do. Never should have been in the dorm in the first place. Hopefully, this puts him on the right path. Maybe getting to actually play will motivate him to fly right. If not, he is obviously out of chances.

Most intelligent, well thought out and informed post I've read on here in a bit. The UMPD were using Royce as a chess piece, not guilty of the theft. He was guilty of idiocy -- when you aren't supposed to be in the dorm, don't enter the dorm. Easy as that.

I hope this was the kick in the pants he needed to motivate himself.

[nooram]

I'm calling you out to the extent of you should post the story from the paper. Some of your "facts" are wrong. Not a big deal except you have some lug heads in here doing research thinking they are Perry Mason thus you wasted their time.

I posted the first information I had at the time. I accessed the StarTribune web site at that time and Myron had not yet posted a story. Had a story been posted I would have provided a link. Apparently, between the time he "tweeted" and the time he posted the Strib story, he discovered a third charge existed. You then started a new thread with the link and the third charge information. If it had been me, I would have just added to the current thread.

[fan of Ray Williams]

It is obvious the police believe he is guilty of the theft. They were unable to obtain enough solid evidence to charge him with the theft. He was charged with what they believe can be proven.

Dude, go back to post on the Bucky sites. Is your life so boring?

[Missed-layup]

I posted the first information I had at the time. I accessed the StarTribune web site at that time and Myron had not yet posted a story. Had a story been posted I would have provided a link. Apparently, between the time he "tweeted" and the time he posted the Strib story, he discovered a third charge existed. You then started a new thread with the link and the third charge information. If it had been me, I would have just added to the current thread.

Not a big deal. And that is what I should have done.

Gophers' White charged in laptop case

By ROCHELLE OLSON and MYRON P. MEDCALF, Star Tribune
Last update: January 22, 2010 - 1:46 PM


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Suspended Gophers basketball player Royce White has been charged with three misdemeanor counts of trespassing related to what had been described as the theft of a laptop computer, his lawyer said Friday.

F. Clayton Tyler said he is hoping to move up White's court date for the alleged trespassing. He said the date is a few weeks away.

White began practicing with the team this week, but has been barred from playing in games. When asked Friday morning if White would play in Minnesota's game Saturday against Michigan State, coach Tubby Smith said: "No.''

The laptop incident had been hanging over White's head and the charges appear to be significantly lighter than what he could have faced. "It's a far cry from a felony for stealing a computer," Tyler said.

He said the charges relate to him being in a dorm room when he was not welcome.

Tyler said White was charged by the city attorney's office.

In December, White pled guilty to theft and disorderly conduct from an October incident at the Mall of America. White told the Star Tribune that he expected to serve a two-game suspension for that incident, but after the laptop case he was suspended indefinitely.

White received a stayed sentence in the Mall of America case, meaning he serves no time and his record will be cleared provided he does not get into any similar trouble in the next year.

Associate Bloomington city attorney Erica Glassberg said Friday that being charged in the latest incident will not be a probation violation because it occurred before the plea in the Mall of America incident, and everyone was aware of it at the time he entered his plea in that case.

White has maintained that he was innocent in the laptop incident.

[breadtree]

How about suspending him for road games or not at all like UW? BTW, check Samthebutcher's post history, very evident he's a badger fan so just ignore...

You mean like Diamond Taylor and Jeremy Glover? Even the guy you refer to (Lance Smith) was kicked out off the team eventually. But I guess not everyone can be as harsh as UM was on Tinsley and Carter.

[station19]

Quote from the Strib article:

"He said the charges relate to him being in a dorm room when he was not welcome."

Is this a case where he simply was at fault for being in a dorm he was not supposed to be in or was he in a room that he had been asked to leave by the person whose room it was?

If it was the latter and especially if it was a female student I would think this would be a more serious issue than just being in the dorm.

I am not an attorney and I have no information so I am just asking.

[MRJ]

Oh goody!!! The Badger fans are back to tell us how morally bankrupt we are. This should be entertaining. :clap:

[nooram]

PP story (http://www.twincities.com/ci_14248067)


University of Minnesota freshman basketball player Royce White was charged with three counts of misdemeanor trespass today by the Minneapolis city attorney's office. He faces a maximum penalty of 90 days in jail and a $1,000 fine for each count.
White, who was allowed to return to practice with the Gophers this week despite remaining on indefinite suspension, was the suspect in a stolen laptop case on campus, but was not charged with theft.
It is the second time White will face misdemeanor charges this season. The former Hopkins High School standout pleaded guilty to shoplifting and fifth-degree assault for an Oct. 13 incident at Macy's at Mall of America.
On the night the laptop was stolen at Territorial Hall on Nov. 7, White was among a group of males identified by witnesses as entering dorm rooms without permission, according to a complaint filed in Hennepin County District Court.
White, who never lived in Territorial Hall, told University Police investigators that he was in the dormitory on the date of the incident. White said he goes there to introduce himself and meet new people, according to the complaint. One witness told police that she was in her dorm room when a group of males entered at 8 p.m. without knocking and closed the door. One of the males said, "Hey, I'm Royce. Do you know who I am?" The witness then asked them all to leave, according to the complaint. A friend of that witness told police she noticed the same group of males trying other
door handles in the dormitory hallway that night.

Another witness said she and her roommate were in their dorm room that night when two people entered, according to the complaint, one she immediately recognized as White. She said White asked what was going on and inquired about a party before eventually realizing he wasn't welcome and left.
Another witness told police that she also was with her roommate that night when White stepped into their room and asked, "Hey, guys, what are you doing?" The witness said she recognized White, according to the complaint, because three weeks prior he had introduced himself, walked into her room and sat on her futon. She then asked him to leave, according to the complaint.
White has not played for the Gophers this season while under suspension. This week, Gophers coach Tubby Smith allowed him to return to practice because he was handling himself well and succeeding in school. Earlier today, Smith had said White would not play Saturday against Michigan State.

[Gopher Warrior]

Not sure why so many people still think this is an issue of him entering the dorm itself.. White has freely admitted that he did that 'every weekend'.

The issue is that he went into the private rooms of three individuals without permission.

[station19]

PP story (http://www.twincities.com/ci_14248067)


University of Minnesota freshman basketball player Royce White was charged with three counts of misdemeanor trespass today by the Minneapolis city attorney's office. He faces a maximum penalty of 90 days in jail and a $1,000 fine for each count.
White, who was allowed to return to practice with the Gophers this week despite remaining on indefinite suspension, was the suspect in a stolen laptop case on campus, but was not charged with theft.
It is the second time White will face misdemeanor charges this season. The former Hopkins High School standout pleaded guilty to shoplifting and fifth-degree assault for an Oct. 13 incident at Macy's at Mall of America.
On the night the laptop was stolen at Territorial Hall on Nov. 7, White was among a group of males identified by witnesses as entering dorm rooms without permission, according to a complaint filed in Hennepin County District Court.
White, who never lived in Territorial Hall, told University Police investigators that he was in the dormitory on the date of the incident. White said he goes there to introduce himself and meet new people, according to the complaint. One witness told police that she was in her dorm room when a group of males entered at 8 p.m. without knocking and closed the door. One of the males said, "Hey, I'm Royce. Do you know who I am?" The witness then asked them all to leave, according to the complaint. A friend of that witness told police she noticed the same group of males trying other
door handles in the dormitory hallway that night.

Another witness said she and her roommate were in their dorm room that night when two people entered, according to the complaint, one she immediately recognized as White. She said White asked what was going on and inquired about a party before eventually realizing he wasn't welcome and left.
Another witness told police that she also was with her roommate that night when White stepped into their room and asked, "Hey, guys, what are you doing?" The witness said she recognized White, according to the complaint, because three weeks prior he had introduced himself, walked into her room and sat on her futon. She then asked him to leave, according to the complaint.
White has not played for the Gophers this season while under suspension. This week, Gophers coach Tubby Smith allowed him to return to practice because he was handling himself well and succeeding in school. Earlier today, Smith had said White would not play Saturday against Michigan State.

This is what I was asking about in a post I made a few minutes ago at the end of the thread. Seems to me that if he was in a room uninvited and asked to leave(can't tell if he did leave in each instance) that this would be a different issue than just being in a dorm where he wasn't supposed to be.

Not an attorney, just curious.

[From the Barn]

I guess I should have pressed charges against random people that stumbled into my room freshman year?

[Brew_recruit]

people who are flipping out over this are clearly uneducated and never went to college, because during the first couple of months everyone knows that random people end up in your dorm room all the time and NO ONE BATS AN EYE.

[StPaulHawkeye]

I guess I should have pressed charges against random people that stumbled into my room freshman year?

My guess is you would have if something of value (like a laptop) was missing after these random people stumbled back out.

[From the Barn]

My guess is you would have if something of value (like a laptop) was missing after these random people stumbled back out.

The charges mention three rooms, all occupied, none of which had anything stolen from them.

[MN Gopher Fan]

I got a misdemeanor by cutting the parking lot with my moped...kick me out of school

[StPaulHawkeye]

The charges mention three rooms, all occupied, none of which had anything stolen from them.

My bad, FTB.

[dayjoh]

people who are flipping out over this are clearly uneducated and never went to college, because during the first couple of months everyone knows that random people end up in your dorm room all the time and NO ONE BATS AN EYE.

This is very true. If you were ever a freshman in college, you'd know that introducing yourself to random people, and yes, even girls (gasp) is very normal. From the accounts I read in the "Star and TRibune", they asked him to leave and he did.

"One woman told police she recognized White as one of the men who walked into her room earlier and introduced himself. She said she asked White and his friends to leave and they did." (Strib)

I agree that he shouldn't be in a place he's not allowed. But really, not a huge deal. Time to move on. Myron's title is ridiculous too " When it rains it pours" come on.

[vaporboy]

It might not be PC but my guess is that these women, young, 18 year old freshman, may have been a little intimidated by this behavoir. He and his buddies were cruising for chics, plain and simple; they took exception to it.

I've said it before but this stuff is very common. My freshman dorm (Hartford) was teeming with illegal activity including tresspassing, drug dealing, assault and worse. People were always coming into our apartment. One guy (now an active jazz mucision), came in, starting eating our food and watching TV when no one else was there!

[9194Gophs]

You think Shooter is a strong source?

Besides our local newspaper, what kind of "strong source" can you have living in CA?

Tubby will give Andy interview's about Royce and Trevor, he certainly wouldn't do that for Myron. When Marcus has a story he actually talks to Royce White. Myron has to put calls in to everybody including Royce's Grandpa.

I think the pecking order is clear.

[cheeseheadgophfan]

Thank-God that the Statute of Limitations has run on my activities during my freshman year of college. Trespassing? Seems he left when he was asked to....what a crock of crap.:mad:

[dbuton]

Thank-God that the Statute of Limitations has run on my activities during my freshman year of college. Trespassing? Seems he left when he was asked to....what a crock of crap.:mad:

Problem is he was banned from being there in the first place. Wonder why that is??

[sec105]

I guess I should have pressed charges against random people that stumbled into my room freshman year?

You may have done just that if the UMPD had come around later and asked if you wanted to press charges against a specific individual that plays basketball.

It is way to obvious how this went down. It would be interesting to know how many other trespass charges were issued that night.

[From the Barn]

Problem is he was banned from being there in the first place. Wonder why that is??

Do we know he was banned from that dorm?

[From the Barn]

You may have done just that if the UMPD had come around later and asked if you wanted to press charges against a specific individual that plays basketball.

It is way to obvious how this went down. It would be interesting to know how many other trespass charges were issued that night.

And the police probably told them he was the one who stole the laptop.

[Moonlight]

I had a grad assist job as a hall director and I talked it over w/a friend who worked in res. life for years. How do I read this?
My interpretation: Royce took the laptop. Everyone knows he took it, and this is what he can be charged with. Or he would be playing. He's not been suspended because of these charges. He's been suspended from the team for what he did. The dorms and the BB team are not a court of law.

[dbuton]

Do we know he was banned from that dorm?

Pretty sure i have read it on here and seen it linked to a legitimate source more than a few times. But i will try to find this link to put my mind at peace.

[From the Barn]

Pretty sure i have read it on here and seen it linked to a legitimate source more than a few times. But i will try to find this link to put my mind at peace.

He was banned from a dorm he lived in, not the dorm he allegedly trespassed.

[lakesgopher]

Maturi needs grow a pair. Sit Tubby down and let him know the type of kids he has been bringing into the program is no longer going to be tolerated. The program is becoming a joke.

why is the program a joke?

why dont you give us examples of major universities that have not gone through legal issues with some of their players!

you must be someone that dislikes hopkins and tries to justify it by attacking a young man who has made mistakes.

people make mistakes! some big and some small but i believe what has happened to royce is unfortunate but the kid deserves a chance to turn it around. if we give up on him what does that fix? we could put royce into the streets so he can possibly get worse, or we can push him to succeed and get an education. same goes with trevor! get over it and let's wait to pass judgement on an 18 year old kid!

[gopherbadgerman]

why is the program a joke?

why dont you give us examples of major universities that have not gone through legal issues with some of their players!


Stanford
Arizona
Indiana
Penn State
Purdue

I dont know many who have had lmore legal issues than the Gophs the past year...Tenn and MSU for starters, and there may be more...

[JohnnyGopher]

Basically he was banned for playing music too loud on many occasions.

If Tubby or Maturi thought there was a chance Royce took the laptop, he would of been gone a long time ago. The more they talked to UMPD, the more they realized what a joke it was. Royce will be on the court before too long.

[From the Barn]

Stanford
Arizona
Indiana
Penn State
Purdue

I dont know many who have had lmore legal issues than the Gophs the past year...Tenn and MSU for starters, and there may be more...

Wait...really???
Stanford: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2009/10/29/stanford-basketball-details-on-jeremy-greens-suspension/
Indiana: http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/020909aaa.html
Penn State: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&ved=0CA0QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Frivals.yahoo.com%2Fncaa%2Fbasketb all%2Fblog%2Fthe_dagger%2Fpost%2FStanley-Pringle-library-masturbator-re-enters-%3Furn%3Dncaab%2C100205&rct=j&q=stanley+pringle+library&ei=mzZaS7TEHYbWM9SjgIYP&usg=AFQjCNFr0ccBcaQeHw_K8JNW2iyygJdvHQ
Purdue: http://www.wlfi.com/dpp/sports/college/sports_wlfi_westlafayette_jackson_suspended_for_th ree_games_20091013

[WriterGoph]

Basically he was banned for playing music too loud on many occasions.

If Tubby or Maturi thought there was a chance Royce took the laptop, he would of been gone a long time ago. The more they talked to UMPD, the more they realized what a joke it was. Royce will be on the court before too long.

Coming from Johnny, I am really happy to hear this.

[EverTheSkeptic]

As a former prosecutor (now retired), let me state that the misdemeanor trespassing charges are less than trivial. The treatment that Mr. White has received by our justice system is an outrage. It sure looks to these old eyes like the UMPD badly wanted to convict Royce of theft, knew it didn't have the evidence, and dragged the investigation out to punish him anyway, knowing that his suspension was a form of punishment in itself. People everywhere, not just Gopher BB fans, should be outraged by this. The UMPD should be investigated for it's mis-handling of this matter. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Mr. White has already been punished more than would be appropriate for two misdemeanor trespassing convictions (and he hasn't been convicted, only charged). It is time to let the young man play.

I don't post much, and I'm not a Royce appologist, but this is so appalling that I had to speak up.

[underground629]

I guess any decent sports program reflects poorly on universities. Do you really think that stuff like this doesn't happen everywhere? Quit your biitching, Royce and Trevor haven't even been reinstated.


Royce has one misdemeanor and no other issues. Keep your head buried in the sand. The problems are not only with one player. The problems have become systemic. This reflects poorly on the program and the university. It is becoming clear that winning is more important to Tubby than doing the right thing. Sad.

[underground629]

Give me a break. Royce isn't some random rapist who broke into the dorm or something. He went into a dorm that he wasn't supposed to at the school that he attends. Big deal. That's an awful comparison.


So trespassing is no big deal? I sure don't want strange people coming into my apartment or dorm room uninvited, but I guess I'm in the minority.

[underground629]

Wow, did you just randomly pick those and think that people wouldn't call bs?


Stanford
Arizona
Indiana
Penn State
Purdue

I dont know many who have had lmore legal issues than the Gophs the past year...Tenn and MSU for starters, and there may be more...

[scalgopher]

Are trepassing charges pressed by the police are do the occupants of the rooms have to say they want charges filed and sign a complaint?

[macgopher]

Very nice to hear this was nothing serious, sounds way overblown. Anyone who has attended college and is social has done what he is charged with, I did. I'm sure he stands out, a rather tall kid, I am 6' 2'. I didn't exactly walk into someones room I didn't know, but I peered in the doorway, and that may be all he really did as well. If that's all he did then this thing is a real joke.

[Gopher Warrior]

Are trepassing charges pressed by the police are do the occupants of the rooms have to say they want charges filed and sign a complaint?

I think* I understand what you're asking. No, the people in the rooms (i.e., witnesses) would not need to say they want charges filed, but they are witnesses with their witness accounts captured in a police report. If that did not exist, there would not be charges being brought forth at this stage.

[Ron Johnson Super Fan]

Wait...really???
Stanford: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2009/10/29/stanford-basketball-details-on-jeremy-greens-suspension/
Indiana: http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/020909aaa.html
Penn State: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&ved=0CA0QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Frivals.yahoo.com%2Fncaa%2Fbasketb all%2Fblog%2Fthe_dagger%2Fpost%2FStanley-Pringle-library-masturbator-re-enters-%3Furn%3Dncaab%2C100205&rct=j&q=stanley+pringle+library&ei=mzZaS7TEHYbWM9SjgIYP&usg=AFQjCNFr0ccBcaQeHw_K8JNW2iyygJdvHQ
Purdue: http://www.wlfi.com/dpp/sports/college/sports_wlfi_westlafayette_jackson_suspended_for_th ree_games_20091013

I think these pissing matches are pointless but only two of your examples above involve the legal system.

[macgopher]

I wonder if the laptop is talking.

[From the Barn]

I think these pissing matches are pointless but only two of your examples above involve the legal system.

Next time I'll take more than 15 seconds.

[Missed-layup]

Disagreement is one thing, insinuating that our program is an asylum is moronic. Tubby's been an upstanding guy his entire career.

Quit calling anyone who disagrees with you a troll or I will have to escalate this matter to higher authorities. You remember the days of Bronco (He's gone now)? We will be saying "remember the days of Showing Goldy Love". What you suffer from is "New Blogger Derangement Syndrome (NBDS) caused when your comfort zone becomes invaded, power structure has become threatened, and your ideas challenged and possibly even changed. Its better to accept the change and figure out how to survive in this new environment that is GH or to do other things with your time then calling everyone a troll.

If it gets too out of hand I will have to escalate this up to the campus police then nothing will happen....

[Missed-layup]

As a former prosecutor (now retired), let me state that the misdemeanor trespassing charges are less than trivial. The treatment that Mr. White has received by our justice system is an outrage. It sure looks to these old eyes like the UMPD badly wanted to convict Royce of theft, knew it didn't have the evidence, and dragged the investigation out to punish him anyway, knowing that his suspension was a form of punishment in itself. People everywhere, not just Gopher BB fans, should be outraged by this. The UMPD should be investigated for it's mis-handling of this matter. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Mr. White has already been punished more than would be appropriate for two misdemeanor trespassing convictions (and he hasn't been convicted, only charged). It is time to let the young man play.

I don't post much, and I'm not a Royce appologist, but this is so appalling that I had to speak up.

Thanks for the expert opinion and shedding some light on this.

Let me run this scenario for your opinion, (I think it matches with what you concluded) :
0. White and friends enter this dorm to meet girls, find parties, or possibly steal some stuff including laptops
1. Suppose A Laptop was stolen from this girls room at the time these people entered her room uninvited (So campus police knows someone took it from this group of people)
2. The only person identified for obvious reasons was White (He's Famous)
3. The police interrogate White and he does not talk
4. Being pissed he won't talk, trying to bring justice to this girl and find the laptop, the campus police think if they put pressure on White, he will talk, which he does not.
5. Campus police are stuck pinning this on White as the story blows up and the story gets bigger then they expected but they also know he stole the laptop, knows who did, or was part of a diversion that was used to steal the laptop
6. White gets suspended
7. Trying to save "face" the Campus police keep pressuring White and can only come up with these 3 trespassing charges. (They likely feel justified because he stole the laptop, knows who did, or was part of a diversion that was used to steal the laptop).

- Do you think this is a fair assessment of the situation?

[gopherphan]

So, uh, what can we do about getting an investigation started on UMPD's handling of this debacle? 4 months for 3 counts of trespassing in a freshman dorm where random kids are in and out randomly? sounds like they were holding him purposely to inflict much more punishment than the only charges they could get away with.

p.s. the whole stolen laptop, iirc she got the laptop back that weekend. possible a friend borrowed it without asking, she calls police, police bumble around, leave, friend returns with laptop, she goes..oh *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#.

honestly im 100% convinced that the dorms have hallway cams so seeing these tapes of the hallway after the theft would have cleared this up in 2 days, tops. reported time of theft til when occupant returned > tape time > people entering/leaving room around then > bam, nailed.

[Missed-layup]

We need White more now than ever!!!!