Tubby's 2010 recruiting

[Golden Shower]

Does anyone have any insight as to players we might be recruiting in the class of 2010? I see both Becky and tOSU have a jump on us for top players in 2010. Are we in the mix for any Top 100-200 players for 2010? What does the landscape of Minnesota HS players look like for the next 2 recruiting classes.

Thanks in advance for any insights!

[Roy Christensen]

Kadeem Green, Robert Sampson, Cory Joseph, Harrison Barnes, and Aaron Cosby have been mentioned as non-local possiblities.

[Big Play]

I sure hope we arnt going after Robert Sampson. :)

[gopher1more]

Is Robert related to Ralph III

[Goph4phan]

Is Robert related to Ralph III

Yes sir. Duluth, GA.

[Roy Christensen]

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10080776

[Big Play]

I have had enoph of waching ralph

[ShowinGoldyLove]

I have had enoph of waching ralph
Alright, sounds good, we got it, you don't like Ralph (as your last 5 posts have all been ripping RSIII).

[Big Play]

How can you like the guy he sucks:cool:

[ShowinGoldyLove]

How can you like the guy he sucks:cool:
I'm just choosing to reserve judgment because he's only played in 3 collegiate games. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt so early into his career.

It's not fair to judge a kid saying he "sucks" when he's barely been on campus for 4 months IMO.

[Big Play]

He is so weak and how was he a 4star recruit

[gopher2]

He is so weak and how was he a 4star recruit

Your posts are so full of insight. Other than telling us he sucks maybe you should try to be a bit more constructive.

[mnboiler]

First of all Gregg Doyel is either a. a Kentucky fan b. knows nothing about college basketball c. the world's biggest d-bag or d. all of the above. My guess is D. Here is my reasoning
A. The only who could possibly hate Tubby that much are Kentucky fans.
B. No Purdue isn't a top job in the nation much less the Big Ten. I mean they only finished second last year in the Big Ten with the youngest team in the nation. Purdue, come on, there are only a top 10 team in the nation. NOW Michigan thats a great job. Really I mean they only success they had in the past 2 decades taken away by the NCAA.
C. If you read the column you will know what I'm taking about.

Any way if Tubby is just starting to focus on 2010 he is going to have issues getting top tier talent. For example Purdue is already full in 2010 and Matt Painter is already hitting 2011 really hard and beginning on 2012. I don't think this Tubby's fault when he came in he was really behind the 8 ball recuiting wise, espeically in Minnesota. Over the next few years he will catch up and be up there with the big boys, like Purdue.

[Big Play]

He cant post up He cant guard anybody down in the post and he looks like he is scared to death out there

[Friend Of Tubby]

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10080776

Doyel is a native Mississippian and carries with him some of the baggage that you might guess.

I'll correct a few points he missed.

Tulsa had 5 players left (total) when Tubby arrived in 1991. Nearly all of what Tulsa accomplished with done with Tubby's recruits there.

Georgia had 8 seniors in 1996 but the 1997 team was almost completely made up of Tubby's recruits. The 97 team won 24 games - still the all-time Most W record at Georgia.

Tubby was 132-43 with a mixture of his recruits and Pitino players at UK.
Tubby was 131-40 with 100% his own recruits at UK.

Doyel is an idiot and (I think) a racist.

[Blizzard]

That article is from March 2007. Who cares ? RSIII was highly recruited and was offered by Kentucky amongst others.

[MRJ]

Talk about a personal axe to grind!!!!:eek:

Wonder what Mr. Doyell is thinking about Minnesota these days. Then again, maybe I shouldn't. After all, with such insightful viewpoints, maybe he can somehow convince himself that the utter failure of Tubby Smith at Minnesota is imminent. :rolleyes:

In any case, it makes you wonder about Doyell's background as it relates to previous experiences with Tubby.

[Friend Of Tubby]

Talk about a personal axe to grind!!!!:eek:

Wonder what Mr. Doyell is thinking about Minnesota these days. Then again, maybe I shouldn't. After all, with such insightful viewpoints, maybe he can somehow convince himself that the utter failure of Tubby Smith at Minnesota is imminent. :rolleyes:

In any case, it makes you wonder about Doyell's background as it relates to previous experiences with Tubby.

I told you that Doyel carries with him some of the sad baggage from his Mississippi heritage that is long gone from history for most Americans.

Not Doyel though.

[f.roers@comcast.net]

Pretty fluid for a big man. As most freshmen, he needs bulk and experience. Tubby is not starting with a blank page.

[Big Play]

stop trying to make it sound like he is going to be some stud cause he never will be he will just be a bean pole for the rest of his carrer.

[Donovan]

These posts by Big Play are so useful and insightful. How do we "ignore" posters on this new board?

[ShowinGoldyLove]

These posts by Big Play are so useful and insightful. How do we "ignore" posters on this new board?
No kidding Donovan; a few of Big Play's gems since joining GopherHole 3 days ago:

"Thank god Sampson is off the floor"
"I have had enoph of waching ralph"
"How can you like the guy he sucks"
"He is so weak and how was he a 4star recruit"
"All miss seeing the student sec always showing up late"
"He cant post up He cant guard anybody down in the post and he looks like he is scared to death out there"
"oh my god who cares"
"3 to 4 people will be at the game"
"stop trying to make it sound like he is going to be some stud cause he never will be he will just be a bean pole for the rest of his carrer."

With fans like Big Play, who needs enemies?

[Drex96]

stop trying to make it sound like he is going to be some stud cause he never will be he will just be a bean pole for the rest of his carrer.

RSIII will work his way into becoming a legitimate post player. Might not happen this year, but it will happen because he's a smart, hard-working young man.

Not everyone can be Kevin Durant or Greg Oden (who seriously looks older than me and most of my boomer buddies) and if we had that kind of player, he would be "one and done" anyway. College basketball is interesting not only for the competitive games but you get to watch the development of young, raw basketball talent (or the lack there of).

No need to keep up this incessant slam fest, Big Playa. Best to take a "wait see" stance, giving us your insights at appropriate check points...the end of the non-conference season, a couple games into the Big Ten season, etc.

Also, get your hands on a Thesaurus so that you can expand your vocabulary. If you can't keep it positive, at least make your posts a compelling read. ;)

[MRJ]

FOT

Too bad about Doyel. I was a little suspicious after reading how much vitriol and anger was contained within his assessment of Tubby. Yikes :eek:

I'm not going to acuse anybody of any racist agenda, but there is clearly more to the story when it comes to Doyel's view of Tubby.

[Moonlight]

Its hard to believe a poster from Kentucky would have figured out how to find us here so quickly

[Big Play]

Okay well see i hope he proves me wrong man

[GortonsFisherman011]

No kidding Donovan; a few of Big Play's gems since joining GopherHole 3 days ago:

"Thank god Sampson is off the floor"
"I have had enoph of waching ralph"
"How can you like the guy he sucks"
"He is so weak and how was he a 4star recruit"
"All miss seeing the student sec always showing up late"
"He cant post up He cant guard anybody down in the post and he looks like he is scared to death out there"
"oh my god who cares"
"3 to 4 people will be at the game"
"stop trying to make it sound like he is going to be some stud cause he never will be he will just be a bean pole for the rest of his carrer."

With fans like Big Play, who needs enemies?

Agreed, Big Play needs to keep to himself.

[The Big L]

These posts by Big Play are so useful and insightful. How do we "ignore" posters on this new board?

Yep I need to figure out the ignore tool.

But the best thing to do with Big Play is not respond. If you don't feed the trolls they will go away.

[Gopher Teeth]

Yep I need to figure out the ignore tool.

But the best thing to do with Big Play is not respond. If you don't feed the trolls they will go away.
To put Big Play in ignore list go to menu selection 'User CP' which is just left of the FAQ link at the top of this page. Then look at the menu selections on the left margin and you will see edit ignore list. Big Play has made the honorary first spot in my ignore list.

[GortonsFisherman011]

To put Big Play in ignore list go to menu selection 'User CP' which is just left of the FAQ link at the top of this page. Then look at the menu selections on the left margin and you will see edit ignore list. Big Play has made the honorary first spot in my ignore list.
Thanks for the insight!

[From the Barn]

I hope we eventually have a country that someone can criticize Tubby without being called a racist. That being said, Doyel isn't very bright.

[Costa Rican Gopher]

Ok settle bet for us Big Play. One poster here says you're 17 years old, I bet there's no way you're over 15 years old. Who wins the bet?

[Costa Rican Gopher]

You guys remember the kid a few months back who was ripping Alipate's younger brother claiming he sucked and that the poster himself averaged a double-double as a Freshman? Then it was pointed out there were no Freshmen who'd averaged a double-double in that conference and the kid disappeared. I think this might be the same kid.

[Friend Of Tubby]

I hope we eventually have a country that someone can criticize Tubby without being called a racist. That being said, Doyel isn't very bright.

Most can do that. But Doyel is one of those R words, sad to say. Mississippi born and bred, through and through.

[cncmin]

You guys remember the kid a few months back who was ripping Alipate's younger brother claiming he sucked and that the poster himself averaged a double-double as a Freshman? Then it was pointed out there were no Freshmen who'd averaged a double-double in that conference and the kid disappeared. I think this might be the same kid.

This "Big Play" guy sounds like (1) a guy with a severe inferiority complex or (2) one of RSIII's friends who is dissing him and then saying yo Sampson, come here and look at what people are writing about you dude!

Either way, "Big Play" is acting quite juvenile and if he keeps it up, I too will be ignoring that poster.

[WadeHokenson]

CostaRicanGopher: I think you're thinking of DevoeFan who, ironically I do believe, had a picture of RSIII as his picture? That was the idiot that kept posting stupid, horrendously spelled insight. Anyway, to Sir Big Play (my guess is 14-year old, obsessed with recruiting pages more than actual results), you are making the real Mr. Traye Simmons look bad. Please change your picture immediately to prevent him from incurring any more wrath from your idiotic posts. Thank you.

[GophersInIowa]

I've read some anti-Duke articles by Doyel before. Although I do enjoy them and think they are funny, he is a terrible writer. It seems most of his articles are about something he loves or somethign he really hates. Obviously he doesn't like Tubby for some reason. I really could care less what he thinks.

[Friend Of Tubby]

I've read some anti-Duke articles by Doyel before. Although I do enjoy them and think they are funny, he is a terrible writer. It seems most of his articles are about something he loves or somethign he really hates. Obviously he doesn't like Tubby for some reason. I really could care less what he thinks.

I told you the reason. It's sad but that's what it is.

[From the Barn]

Most can do that. But Doyel is one of those R words, sad to say. Mississippi born and bred, through and through.

Any substance behind your very serious allegation? Surely everyone born in Mississipi isn't a racist.

[gopher1more]

Over on the football board there are some posters that think BPT is the real Big Play Traye. I do not think that is possible.

[Friend Of Tubby]

Any substance behind your very serious allegation? Surely everyone born in Mississipi isn't a racist.

Of course not (everyone is). But DOYEL IS.

[From the Barn]

And you base that on?

[Friend Of Tubby]

And you base that on?

A long history of following him and his drivel.

[From the Barn]

Examples?

[combes1]

You mention that a couple of Big Ten schools have a jump on the 2010 recruiting class. As an Illinois fan, I have to mention that Illinois also has a big jump on most schools for the 2010 class. Two five-star recruits (6-7 Jereme Richmond and 6-4 Crandall Head) and one four-star recruit (6-11 Meyers Leonard) have the 2010 UI recruiting class in the top 5 in the country at this point in time.

With a top 10 class this year, Weber will have two monster classes in a row which leads one to believe that he has figured out the recruiting end of the business.

The Big Ten should be much tougher in a couple of years on the national level. imo

[Friend Of Tubby]

Examples?

Too numerous to mention.

[From the Barn]

Mention 1.

[Roy Christensen]

Re: Combes
Apart from recruiting how would you evaluate Weber at this point? What is your take on Chasson Randle?

[Friend Of Tubby]

Mention 1.

Why just 1? Ask anyone who ever met or talked to Doyel. Why do U think Doyel lost his job?

[UWOle]

Re: Combes
What is your take on Chasson Randle?

I am obviously not Combes, but I'll take a stab at the question. Randle is generally regarded as one of the top 5 players in a very talented 2011 class in Illinois, which would make him at least a solid top 100 kid nationally. He sounds like an athletic, 6'2" or 3" combo guard. He is from Rock Island, IL and plays with the Illinois Wolves AAU program, which means he will get very good coaching. He already has offers from Illinois and Indiana, and has received interest from a number of other very good programs, including UW. He visited Madison with a couple Wolves teammates this fall (Illinois game, I believe), though the rumblings are that he is a heavy Illinois lean. That said, it appears that Illinois' top priority among 2011 guards is Tracy Abrams, who is more of a true PG than Randle.

[From the Barn]

Why just 1? Ask anyone who ever met or talked to Doyel. Why do U think Doyel lost his job?

Why can't you even give one example?

[figi]

I for one, enjoy negative comments as much as positive ones. To much Rah Rah, can be boring. It takes all kinds to make a discussion interesting. Big Play's comments spurred more feed-back then the original thread. The only thing I hate to see people say in a free society is "you can't say that". Censorship is far worse then disagreement.

As far as Sampson goes, I think he is already a good addition to a team that lacks size. He has great variety to his game and he will eventually be better than we have had for a while in the post.

[Friend Of Tubby]

Why can't you even give one example?

Just Google him. It won't take long to find many examples.

It's perfectly fine to criticize Tubby or any coach. But when the vitriol spewed by Doyel is viewed in context, you'll see there is something else involved.

A coach who won 76% of his games (72% in NCAA games) while averaging 26 W per season and earning 1 NCAA title, 5 SEC titles, and 5 SECT championships (in 10 years) did not destroy the UK program.

He will NOT be fired in 2012 as Doyel predicted. You'll see the racism if you look for it. Doyel is dirt.

[From the Barn]

You are the one that sees it, so give one example.

[combes1]

I think it is hard to evaluate any coach without the consideration of recruiting. Weber has proven he can coach talent. However, I would say that is true of most coaches, especially the ones in the Big Ten. I don't believe that there is any coach in the league that is going to just outcoach the rest of the league with lesser talent. The quality of coaches in the league is too good. imo

I am happy with Weber as the coach, especially with the talent lined up over the next few seasons. I like Illinois' sophomore class: McCamey can be as good a point guard as there is in the league. Mike Davis has a chance to be a star. He is 6-10, great leaper, quick, with a soft shooting touch. Alex Legion has yet to play, but he is a top 40 recruit. And it may take awhile, but 7-1 Mike Tisdale has skills that lack only strength.

The 2009 class is great. The 2010 class is even better.

As for 2011, Illinois will have perhaps 6 scholarships available. Top targets at guard are Tracy Abrams, Chasson Randle, Wayne Blackshear, and Bradley Beal from St. Louis. 6-5 Sam Thompson and 6-7 Mike Shaw are two of the best high school players in the country. Center Nnana Egwu and small forward Jacob Williams are also targets. Abrams is a key since many of these kids have expressed an interest in playing with Abrams. A commitment from him would be big.

I don't think Illinois will ultimately end up with Blackshear, and Randle grew up as an Illinois fan, so I see Randle as a more likely addition. I will say that I saw him play this past week and he was awful. :) However, he has talent and just had a bad game.

I think it is sort of an advantage that Illinois has filled its 2009 and 2010 classes and does not have a scholarship available until the 2011 class. Lots of time for the UI staff to build relationships with that group.

With Minnesota adding talent like crazy and Illinois on its way back, I think the Big Ten is looking good for the future. OSU, MSU, Purdue are strong for the future. Michigan is rebounding. Wisconsin is always good. Even Northwestern has upgraded its talent.

[MadisonRaisedGopherCrazed]

What does this thread have to do with its title anymore? I keep getting excited when I come on here and see new posts under the Tubby's 2010 recruiting thread hoping to hear something about what Tubby is doing for his 2010 recruiting class......SILLY ME!

This thread should be called, "Idiot with an axe to grind against Ralph Sampson and how to ignore him, plus people who dislike a guy that slammed Tubby."

[Friend Of Tubby]

What does this thread have to do with its title anymore? I keep getting excited when I come on here and see new posts under the Tubby's 2010 recruiting thread hoping to hear something about what Tubby is doing for his 2010 recruiting class......SILLY ME!

This thread should be called, "Idiot with an axe to grind against Ralph Sampson and how to ignore him, plus people who dislike a guy that slammed Tubby."

Gophers have 3 open scholarships for 2010. Look for G, F, and C to be signed.

[Friend Of Tubby]

I think it is hard to evaluate any coach without the consideration of recruiting. Weber has proven he can coach talent. However, I would say that is true of most coaches, especially the ones in the Big Ten. I don't believe that there is any coach in the league that is going to just outcoach the rest of the league with lesser talent. The quality of coaches in the league is too good. imo

I am happy with Weber as the coach, especially with the talent lined up over the next few seasons. I like Illinois' sophomore class: McCamey can be as good a point guard as there is in the league. Mike Davis has a chance to be a star. He is 6-10, great leaper, quick, with a soft shooting touch. Alex Legion has yet to play, but he is a top 40 recruit. And it may take awhile, but 7-1 Mike Tisdale has skills that lack only strength.

The 2009 class is great. The 2010 class is even better.

As for 2011, Illinois will have perhaps 6 scholarships available. Top targets at guard are Tracy Abrams, Chasson Randle, Wayne Blackshear, and Bradley Beal from St. Louis. 6-5 Sam Thompson and 6-7 Mike Shaw are two of the best high school players in the country. Center Nnana Egwu and small forward Jacob Williams are also targets. Abrams is a key since many of these kids have expressed an interest in playing with Abrams. A commitment from him would be big.

I don't think Illinois will ultimately end up with Blackshear, and Randle grew up as an Illinois fan, so I see Randle as a more likely addition. I will say that I saw him play this past week and he was awful. :) However, he has talent and just had a bad game.

I think it is sort of an advantage that Illinois has filled its 2009 and 2010 classes and does not have a scholarship available until the 2011 class. Lots of time for the UI staff to build relationships with that group.

With Minnesota adding talent like crazy and Illinois on its way back, I think the Big Ten is looking good for the future. OSU, MSU, Purdue are strong for the future. Michigan is rebounding. Wisconsin is always good. Even Northwestern has upgraded its talent.

Weber, yes. But give plenty of credit to Jay Price and Jerrance Howard on his staff.

[combes1]

that is a given. But part of being a head coach is hiring good assistants.

However, whenever recruits talk about Illinois, they invariably mention how much they like Weber.

Jerrance Howard is a rising star, no doubt. And Jay Price doesn't get as much credit as he should.

I was asked what I thought of Weber as a coach. The man can coach basketball. Like any coach, he needs talent. Illinois will have a boatload of talent over the next few years. So will a handful of other Big Ten teams. Should be fun.

[Friend Of Tubby]

that is a given. But part of being a head coach is hiring good assistants.

However, whenever recruits talk about Illinois, they invariably mention how much they like Weber.

Jerrance Howard is a rising star, no doubt. And Jay Price doesn't get as much credit as he should.

I was asked what I thought of Weber as a coach. The man can coach basketball. Like any coach, he needs talent. Illinois will have a boatload of talent over the next few years. So will a handful of other Big Ten teams. Should be fun.

Nice trade with Kentucky. Tracy Webster for Jerrance Howard. U of IL got the better of that swap.

[combes1]

plus Jerrance is an Illinois guy, bleeds orange and blue. Webster is a Purdue guy. Jerrance has a charisma that Webster does not have with kids.

Very happy with that trade. :)

[Friend Of Tubby]

You are the one that sees it, so give one example.

I'll give several.

The ALL-TIME record for consecutive 20+ W seasons is held by Dean Smith. Lute Olson is next. Then Tubby Smith in 3rd place ALL-TIME. Tubby is #1 on the active list in that category ahead of Coach K and Jim Boeheim.

Most W in his first 17 seasons - Roy Williams, Denny Crum, Jim Boeheim, Nolan Richardson. Then Tubby Smith is 5th ALL-TIME in that category. Trailing behind Tubby are Jerry Tarkanian, John Thompson, and Rick Pitino. Only 6 have 400+ W in first 17 seasons - the top 5 and Tarkanian.

Tubby ranks 10th among active coaches (10+ years of experience) in best career W-L (%) record. He ranks 8th among active coaches in career W-L (%) record in NCAA tourney games.

Tubby is one of 4 active coaches to take 3 different teams to NCAA Sweet 16. Minnesota will be his 4th (when that happens). That will be a first (ever).

Tubby ranks 5th (ever) behind Dean Smith, Lute Olson, Roy Williams, and Bobby Knight in CONSECUTIVE NCAA tourney appearances.

Sound like a coach who will be fired in 2012? Or one who destroyed a program (UK) by matching or beating its historical achievements in almost every category?

Or does it sound like something else? Trust me, it's something else. Doyel is a bigot, no doubt.

[leftyslefty]

that I for one love it when you lay on the Tubby career stats. I believe that as long as his heart stays in it, he will be a great coach and we are very fortunate to have him.

Any FOT's if a FO:)

[Roy Christensen]

According to Combes

that is a given. But part of being a head coach is hiring good assistants.

Much of the criticism accorded to Tubby at his previous employment was that his assistants were not doing the job and that Tubby was too loyal to replace them. Haven't heard much complaining here about coaches Taylor, Jirsa or S Smith. Can we assume that Maturi specified that Tubby not bring his assistants to Minnesota but rather hire better ones as a condition of his hiring at UMinn?