This is bad, this is bad, this is bad...

[Ogee Oglethorpe]

The meltdown in Madison is happening at way too fast of a pace. At the rate he's going, Bret Bielema will be out of a job in less than 18 months.

I've been saying for 2 years that Bielema at UW is GOOD for the Gophers and the rest of the BT. In my estimation, he needs a good 2, perhaps even 3 more years to do irreparable damage to the Badger program. If BB gets canned before the start of the '10-'11 season, I'm not sure he will have done enough damage to cripple them for any significant period of time.

I can't figure out what's going to be his ultimate undoing; the results on the field or the completely embarassing things he says off the field. It almost seems like he's trying to get fired.

With any luck, BB will pull out a nice 8-4 record next year, perhaps save his job for another year or two. That seems unlikely though, with 6-7 defensive starters graduating and losing 3/5th's of the offensive line as well. Next year could be pretty lean for the folks in Madison.

How long he lasts at UW is significant for two reasons: first, he can run that program even further into the ground with every season he's at the helm. Secondly, the longer he stays and weakens the program, the less attractive of a job it will be to any prominent coaching candidate.

Regardless of how long he lasts, these are clearly two programs heading in opposite directions.

[WAGopher]

Here's what we can do to help keep BB at Wisconsin so he can run it into the ground:
Call the WI Athletic Department, and tell them that BB is exactly the hard nosed, beer drinking prick we need running Wisconsin football, and then back it up with a pledged donation. They get enough of these calls and they'll keep him for sure.

[Donovan]

Great post!

[dlw4gophers]

BB=bust 12-1, 9-4, 7-6. Next year they can only hope they will be 6-6 and get the Motor City bowl.

[grunkiejr]

BB=bust 12-1, 9-4, 7-6. Next year they can only hope they will be 6-6 and get the Motor City bowl.

I'm really hoping that he manages to maintain a 7-5 record and keep his job for at least another year.

[magpie]

This thread is awesome, lol.

[GVBadger]

This year was a bad year. Some inexplicable losses and some horrific QB play.

Bielema is under a lot of fire, but the recruiting class is very good and there are a lot of talented kids in the program. The problem is QB and if that is not solved, all of the other issues are moot. That is the serious question heading into next year. I know it is fun to see us go 7-6 and have a bad year, but when one looks at the talent in the program compared to the QB play, it is quickly evident that the world is not exactly ending in Madison. For example, we will not need to start freshman or redshirt freshman to fill in on the offensive line. We have seasoned replacements with game experience ready to go there. The line is not going to miss a beat.

If I were a Gopher fan, I would be very concerned that about letting a QB as bad as Sherer beat you on some crucial plays. I would also be worrying about Kansas.

Good luck in the bowl game.

[Hates Monikers]

GVBadger -- What does your QB situation look like for next year? Is there anybody in the program who can overtake Sherer?

[cheeseheadgophfan]

I'd stay on my own site rather than trolling others. Your QB situation doesn't look any better for next year.

[Ogee Oglethorpe]

>>If I were a Gopher fan, I would be very concerned that about letting a QB as bad as Sherer beat you on some crucial plays. I would also be worrying about Kansas.<<

No disrespect, but if I were a Badger fan, I'd be very concerned that a Gopher team loaded with freshmen, RS freshmen, and sophomores along the offensive line (not to mention Weber and Decker not even close to 100%) went into Camp Randall and almost came out with a win against a Badger defense with mostly upper classmen.

In all honesty, with something along the lines of 19 out of 22 returning starters next year for the Rodents, I don't exactly expect the Badger game to be the toughest one on the schedule.

This wasn't meant to spark a big pissing contest. I'm merely saying that I'm sticking (and feeling more comfortable than ever) with my notion from a few years ago that BB in Madison is all the Gophers can ask for at this point.

These comments have nothing to do with BB's ability as a football coach. I really couldn't tell you if he's a good coach or not. It has to do with character and I think that's a commodity of which BB is in short supply. Perhaps I'm being naive but I really don't think a LOT of parents and recruits appreciate what kind of guy BB is. It's likely cost the Badgers a few recruits already and will certainly cost them more in the future. The emergence of programs like Minny, MSU, and even Illinois will also cost the Badgers recruits that they are used to landing in the past.

Like I said, I'm not trying to get into some verbal barrage back and forth, but I really do think these are two programs heading in opposite directions. I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time...

[anticallihan]

This year was a bad year. Some inexplicable losses and some horrific QB play.

Bielema is under a lot of fire, but the recruiting class is very good and there are a lot of talented kids in the program. The problem is QB and if that is not solved, all of the other issues are moot. That is the serious question heading into next year. I know it is fun to see us go 7-6 and have a bad year, but when one looks at the talent in the program compared to the QB play, it is quickly evident that the world is not exactly ending in Madison. For example, we will not need to start freshman or redshirt freshman to fill in on the offensive line. We have seasoned replacements with game experience ready to go there. The line is not going to miss a beat.

If I were a Gopher fan, I would be very concerned that about letting a QB as bad as Sherer beat you on some crucial plays. I would also be worrying about Kansas.

Good luck in the bowl game.

I am going to argue that the badgers are not getting the players in the places the need them the most. You can fill a team full of defense line talent, but that does not solve the QB/WR/RB problem.

If Montee Ball is not a stud, they could be hurting bad if Clay gets hurt.

It seems to me that Wisky is void of the stars they used to have in the offense. Clay is good, but he is not the same ability of a Dane or Bennett. Or even some of the other guys of recent years.

They don't have a star WR, and the QBs don't even seem serviceable.

I would be worried if I was a badger fan.

[GVBadger]

Mostly reasonable questions.

The "actions" of the coach has not hurt recruiting. We have a very good class coming in, which is ranked virtually the same as the Gophers class per rivals. The difference between classes ranked from 15-40 is very small, so recruiting has not changed substantially. Alvarez had one top ten class and it was his worst. Had most classes in the 20's and 30's as we do now.

Clay is a special player and was only a red shirt freshman. When he finally "gets it", he will be dymanic. Hill is supposed to be back and Zach Brown put up 200 plus on the Gophers at the Dome so he is far from a pedestrian 3rd back. If you read the press clippings, Montee Ball is supposed to be special, but who knows. Dayne was a once in a lifetime back and Bennett, Calhoun and Davis were all of similar talent. The one thing lacking with the Badger backs right now is speed. When combining that with poor QB play, then you have problems.

If you want to claim how young the Gophers were that is fine, but our top 4 receivers were freshman or sophomores and they all flashed very good ability. Speed is not the issue with any of them. The issue with the receivers is QB play. All of our running backs will be back. Our top tight end will be back and considering Beckum basically did not play, we will be fine there. We will start 5 offensive lineman that have played, including returning two starters. The cupboard is certainly not bare.

As for QB, there is a redshirt freshman they are high on, but who knows. If we don't have anyone that can beat out Sherer, you can pencil in 7-5 or 6-6 and a meaningless bowl and move on to 2010. That is the only question that matters for 2009. There is more then enough talent to win 9 games if there is competent QB play.

Finally, I don't expect people on this board to be unhappy about our season. I just think the sky is falling posts are about over the top, as are the Bielema is the classless blah blah, losing recruits, blah blah, stuff. As for being classless, all I have is hearsay. As for the recruiting stuff, the rankings don;t show that to be the case.

One more thing. As for the trolling, I grew up in the Twin Cities and have lived here for 30 years of my life. I like to follow the team even though I no longer root for them and your board is interesting. Deal with it.

[Ogee Oglethorpe]

You make some good points. I'll at least address the following:

>>If you want to claim how young the Gophers were that is fine, but our top 4 receivers were freshman or sophomores and they all flashed very good ability.<<

This really is a horrible "youth" argument. There is LIGHT YEARS difference between freshmen and sophomore O-linemen compared to freshmen and sophomore position players.

It's almost impossible to overcome youth on the offensive line, not to mention a lack of continuity. The problem with the Gophers' offensive line this year can be attributed almost as much to continuity issues as youth. I don't follow the depth chart as closely as some but I would venture to say that 10 different guys (almost exclusively freshmen and sophs) started on the O-line this year.

Particularly at the college level, a freshman can come in and contribute at WR or RB, it happens at every program in the country.

With offensive linemen, you might be able to plug a fresh or soph in between a couple of upperclassmen and get away with it but not from one end of the line to the other.

Plain and simple, I would MUCH rather start a freshman QB behind a veteran O-line than a senior, veteran starter at QB behind a young inexperienced line any day of the week. Sherrer may not be Joe Montana, but he enjoyed the luxury of having an experienced offensive line and a top notch running game and the Badgers still struggled. Not a good sign...

Wisconsin may very well have QUALITY (perhaps VERY good quality) offensive linemen stepping up to replace the departing seniors but they won't have the same continuity and familiarity as they enjoyed this year.

Who knows... we could both be dead wrong. It'll be interesting to see how things play out.

[Goldteam]

Mostly reasonable questions.

The "actions" of the coach has not hurt recruiting. We have a very good class coming in, which is ranked virtually the same as the Gophers class per rivals. The difference between classes ranked from 15-40 is very small, so recruiting has not changed substantially. Alvarez had one top ten class and it was his worst. Had most classes in the 20's and 30's as we do now.

Clay is a special player and was only a red shirt freshman. When he finally "gets it", he will be dymanic. Hill is supposed to be back and Zach Brown put up 200 plus on the Gophers at the Dome so he is far from a pedestrian 3rd back. If you read the press clippings, Montee Ball is supposed to be special, but who knows. Dayne was a once in a lifetime back and Bennett, Calhoun and Davis were all of similar talent. The one thing lacking with the Badger backs right now is speed. When combining that with poor QB play, then you have problems.

If you want to claim how young the Gophers were that is fine, but our top 4 receivers were freshman or sophomores and they all flashed very good ability. Speed is not the issue with any of them. The issue with the receivers is QB play. All of our running backs will be back. Our top tight end will be back and considering Beckum basically did not play, we will be fine there. We will start 5 offensive lineman that have played, including returning two starters. The cupboard is certainly not bare.

As for QB, there is a redshirt freshman they are high on, but who knows. If we don't have anyone that can beat out Sherer, you can pencil in 7-5 or 6-6 and a meaningless bowl and move on to 2010. That is the only question that matters for 2009. There is more then enough talent to win 9 games if there is competent QB play.

Finally, I don't expect people on this board to be unhappy about our season. I just think the sky is falling posts are about over the top, as are the Bielema is the classless blah blah, losing recruits, blah blah, stuff. As for being classless, all I have is hearsay. As for the recruiting stuff, the rankings don;t show that to be the case.

One more thing. As for the trolling, I grew up in the Twin Cities and have lived here for 30 years of my life. I like to follow the team even though I no longer root for them and your board is interesting. Deal with it.


take off the blinders

you were destroyed in the big 10

undressed by an average FSU team

have no qb and lost all your senior talent and everything is rosy

HOMER

[TWeber]

Mostly reasonable questions.

As for being classless, all I have is hearsay. As for the recruiting stuff, the rankings don;t show that to be the case.

One more thing. As for the trolling, I grew up in the Twin Cities and have lived here for 30 years of my life. I like to follow the team even though I no longer root for them and your board is interesting. Deal with it.

Bielema showed his true colors early on. Classless = Bielema

http://rmaly.blogspot.com/2005/07/things-come-up-big-for-bielema-he_27.html

[alpinegopher]

I think the QB they are waiting for was the Tennessee POY last year so he might be alright. Some publications had him as the best QB to sign with a BT team before Pryor committed later on. Hope it doesn't work out that way.

[GVBadger]

Not sure where you got rosy out of that post, so let me try again.

We have a serious issue at QB, which if it does not get solved, will hamper us from winning more then 7 games for the foreseeable future.

Besides that, we return 12 starters including 7 on offense, both kickers and have a very nice recruiting class coming in. Next year the serious issue besides QB will be the defensive line.

No matter how hard you wish, the Badgers are not going away and the cupboard is not bare.

If the QB issue is solved, we will be just fine. If not, I would be shocked if we won more then 7 games next year. None of the 7 wins would be what I would consider quality wins.

[Goldteam]

Not sure where you got rosy out of that post, so let me try again.

We have a serious issue at QB, which if it does not get solved, will hamper us from winning more then 7 games for the foreseeable future.

Besides that, we return 12 starters including 7 on offense, both kickers and have a very nice recruiting class coming in. Next year the serious issue besides QB will be the defensive line.

No matter how hard you wish, the Badgers are not going away and the cupboard is not bare.

If the QB issue is solved, we will be just fine. If not, I would be shocked if we won more then 7 games next year. None of the 7 wins would be what I would consider quality wins.


you are underestimating how big of a sieve your defense has become....it's not the offense is that is going to set you back

you cant stop anyone

[GVBadger]

4th in pass defense in the Big 10, 5th in rushing defense. Keep trying though.

Of course, maybe I should be worried. If anyone can identify a bad defense it would be a Gophers fan.

[Goldteam]

4th in pass defense in the Big 10, 5th in rushing defense. Keep trying though.

Of course, maybe I should be worried. If anyone can identify a bad defense it would be a Gophers fan.

the question was how are you going to stop people........and it somehow turned to the gophers

you have defensive issues like never before

good luck

[blockedpunt]

Wisconsin will have one of the best defensive backfields in the Big Ten next year, although they lose All-Big Ten CB Allen Langford. Aaron Henry is coming back from injury so he should be able to replace Langford. They will have to replace two senior Linebackers in Levy and Casillas. I believe they're going to move starting MLB to OLB and put St. Jean at MLB and Sorensen (MN product) at the other spot. They have 3 linebacker recruits they're high on coming in, and a possible 4th in Jordan Barnes (former Michigan commit) if he ends up committing to Wisconsin. As stated, the DL will be a big problem if they can't replace the 3 senior starters from this year with solid guys. They don't have many good D tackles at all next year. I believe they'll be fine at DE though. They have one of the better DE's in the B10 returning in Schofield and they'll be able to fill the other one because they redshirted three guys last year at DE (Including Brendan Kelly, who should get some good PT there) and they're bringing in some highly touted D-ends as well... As for the QB spot they have redshirt freshman Curt Phillips who was a 4 star recruit last year, and also have a QB from Illinois Jon Budmayr who had an offer from ND before committing to UW. Got injured during the year so who knows how fast he can return. If they can't find a replacement for Sherer, they'll be in trouble. Their schedule isn't nearly as tough as this year's though so who knows.

[grunkiejr]

Interesting take on it Blocked Punt. I personally think the Gophers and Badgers are two programs going in completely different directions. If you are talking about LB recruits that a team is high on fitting in to your depth chart you are screwed unless they are Juco recruits. The frequency of a freshman starting or even having an impact at LB in the Big 10 is pretty low. Even Laurinitis didn't start until the last game of the season for OSU and I think he was All American as a sophomore.

I tend to believe the following analysis of your '09 Depth Chart from "Badger in Ohio Valley".

http://buckyville.yuku.com/topic/14542/t/2009-Roster-and-Depth-Chart.html

Looking down the roster, I see plenty of holes....

QB - If Phillips or Budmyer can't win this job in a run away, we're in for a long season, and everything else I type here really doesn't matter.

RB - Strongest position with Clay, Brown and Hill, and will Montee Ball coming in (probably redshirting).

WR - I think we have the players there, but don't have the QB to get the ball to them. Kyle Jefferson was a non-factor this season, and I think QB play took his game away from us. He wasn't able to stretch teams deep because no one could get him the ball. But the talent is there from Jefferson, Toon, Gilreath and Anderson at a minimum, with several other guys who can factor in.

TE - Kendricks returns to join Graham. Should be solid.

OL - Carimi and Moffett return. You have to hope that the ***** OL prospect, Oglesby can give you something. I would expect the line to be at least nearly as good, as I think the UW line this year was overrated anyway.

DL - this is where it gets scary. O'Brien Schofield is the only returning starter, and only real returning depth other than Dan Moore. Nzegwu and Brenden Kelly probably factor in at DE. You have to hope that Westphal (a **** DE recruit) can give them something. Jeff Stehle has had moments. And then there is the mysterious JJ Watt, a MAC transfer who we can only hope is a big lift to the DL. Lots of names that don't stand out that are already on the roster....Anthony Mains, Erick Breidis Peter Konz, Chris Gardner. And of course, the numerous 2009 DL recruits who all look promising - Muldoon, Gilbert, Kohout, Harris, Dippel. TONS of question marks on DL. PAGING JOHN PALERMO! YOU ARE NEEDED AT 1225 MONROE STREET! Yeah, longshot, I know.

LB - McFadden is the only returning starter. He looked great against the MAC portion of the schedule. But in the Big Ten, he didn't stack up as a MLB. Hopefully, OLB is better for him, but he didn't fare well today! Culmer St. Jean has to make significant strides to be a positive factor. Blake Sorenson was solid in the OOC play he got. Gotta hope he's got something in him. Perhaps Hodge returns to the lineup and gets a step quicker. Michael Taylor and Kevin Rouse are names....anyone heard anything good about them? LOTS OF QUESTIONS AGAIN!

CB - The season on defense may hinge on Aaron Henry returning to form. He's the best candidate to play well at CB. I hope he can make it back better than ever. Devin Smith has a chance to be a good player. Goins - you don't know with his academics. Brinkley is decent. I'd hope he can drastically improve, OR we could get an upgrade on him. Gotta hope Marcus Cromartie (had a Florida offer), who is redshirting can play like his cousin. What can Fenelus do? Again, TONS of Q's at CB.

S - This position has been *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# for several years now. Lots of variety to choose from - physically gifted guys like Carter. Physical players like Valai. Decent coverage guys like Pleasant. Whatever Maragos is? But this position HAS to improve. I like how tough Valai plays just like anyone else. But he's got holes in his game...they all do. SOMEBODY, please step up!

The entire defense and QB are questions. Lots to answer. Next year is going to be interesting. Looking at the schedule, I can't say I see 6 wins today. Lots to improve on, and our guys have their work cut out for them.

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I particularly like the follow up from BurbankBadger: "Great analysis. Not a pretty *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ing picture but great analysis. My eggs are in Phillips' basket. Budmyer not being able to play much this year isn't going to help his cause. Strangly, I think we'll be okay at LB but everyone else on D scares the crap out of me."

[lakesbison]

DL - this is where it gets scary. O'Brien Schofield is the only returning starter, and only real returning depth other than Dan Moore. Nzegwu and Brenden Kelly probably factor in at DE. You have to hope that Westphal (a **** DE recruit) can give them something/


Tyler Westphal according the Badger fans is transferring to NDSU so he can play right away, so YEAH!! We rescued a kid from that craphole madison!!

[streetfighter]

I don't think you get it. NDSU blows.

Quit bumping threads that are a year and a half old.

[badgerman27]

Westphal is a very good kid, good student, nice young man. He's been injury riddled his entire time in Madison. He's buried on the depth chart, and is transferring so he can play. NDSU is a good spot for him. If he's healthy, he should play right away.

[GhostofBronko]

I don't think you get it. NDSU blows.

Quit bumping threads that are a year and a half old.

Yeah, given some of the "predictions" on this thread, it'd be better if we all pretended they never happened.

[Kratos3]

I don't think you get it. NDSU blows.

Quit bumping threads that are a year and a half old.

He's just doing it to get a rise out of us. Stop responding.

[Rotundo]

What happened here? UW and Minnesota were supposed to be going in opposite directions. Then they go 10-3 and we have another bad year. And now going into 2010 they are primed for another great season and we are thought to be the 10th or 11th best program in the conference. I want to go back to 2008.

[Stargenes]

What happened here? UW and Minnesota were supposed to be going in opposite directions. Then they go 10-3 and we have another bad year. And now going into 2010 they are primed for another great season and we are thought to be the 10th or 11th best program in the conference. I want to go back to 2008.

Don't expect anyone to tag along. Like Samuel Jackson said in THE NEGOTIATOR, "Things Are Not What They Seem."

[dpodoll68]

we have another bad year

.500 and a bowl loss is "bad" now?

[Rotundo]

We were 6-7 (5-7 vs bcs teams) and ended the season scoring 1 TD for every 25 offensive possesions. It was a bad year that ended very badly.

[dpodoll68]

We were 6-7 (5-7 vs bcs teams) and ended the season scoring 1 TD for every 25 offensive possesions. It was a bad year that ended very badly.

In my 25+ years of watching football, I've always thought the most important metric was W-L. I am surprised to learn that it is now offensive efficiency. Thank you for updating me on this. Don't be concerned with adequate publicity - I will be sure to alert the media.

[harrys ghost]

In my 25+ years of watching football, I've always thought the most important metric was W-L. I am surprised to learn that it is now offensive efficiency. Thank you for updating me on this. Don't be concerned with adequate publicity - I will be sure to alert the media.

You just can not forget the style points. :rolleyes:

[GopherRock]

I see the Badgers this way: They'll score a pile of points, but they could have problems keeping people from scoring.

I can see the 63rd Axe (which I will be attending) being another 38-35 or 42-39 type of game, where (again!) the team who capitalizes on more of the other's mistakes wins.

[go4rob]

here's the deal, BB, while we may not like him, has built a solid program. Granted he inherited a solid program from BA. The proof is in the pudding, and the Badgers keep beating us and playing in a top tier bowl game. Until that trend stops, we have no business critisizing him. John Clay is going to be running at us like a tank, and we'd better be more concerned about stopping him, than saying what a poor coach BB is. imho.

[RealPushBack]

If he such a poor coach then how did he win 10 games? How can Brewster not beat him? That kinda crap just makes us look petty as a fan base. We can hate them all we want but saying BB is a poor coach makes us look silly. BB is a poor coach then what is Brewster?

[Kratos3]

here's the deal, BB, while we may not like him, has built a solid program. Granted he inherited a solid program from BA. The proof is in the pudding, and the Badgers keep beating us and playing in a top tier bowl game. Until that trend stops, we have no business critisizing him. John Clay is going to be running at us like a tank, and we'd better be more concerned about stopping him, than saying what a poor coach BB is. imho.

This. It sucks, but we can't say much until we beat them. Even then, you know what they will say, "It's just one game." "We got lucky." etc.

[TristansShadow]

Interesting take on it Blocked Punt. I personally think the Gophers and Badgers are two programs going in completely different directions.

You should have stopped typing! You were right up to that point.

Great thread.

[MNBadgerGuy]

Whoa must have missed this thread when it first came out. For a program that has been owned by UW for the last 20 years you all talk an enormous amount of crap about the Badger program. I'm one of the biggest homers in the world, but when a program has our number I give them respect. I see that is not the route Gopher fans take.

Some of you more reasonable posters have it correct. Until you actually beat Bielema, what's the point in saying how terrible he is? Does that mean Brewster is extra terrible?

I understand home team/alma mater pride. I think there's a thin line between hope and delusion, and many in this thread have taken giant leaps over that line.

Good luck this year in Madison. These games are always crazy (except for a few pummelings in Madtown a few years back) and I'm expecting the Gophs to put up a good fight in Camp Randall.

[scher215]

Whoa must have missed this thread when it first came out.

Probably because it is about 2 years old ...

[RodentRampage]

Whoa must have missed this thread when it first came out. For a program that has been owned by UW for the last 20 years you all talk an enormous amount of crap about the Badger program. I'm one of the biggest homers in the world, but when a program has our number I give them respect. I see that is not the route Gopher fans take.

The problem is, Badger fans don't want respect. They want worship. God himself expects less respect. Excuse us for not throwing ourselves to the ground and for not tossing rose petals at your feet.

[scher215]

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m76/nadinebabu/GHSig-2.jpg

How's that for "having a programs number" ?

Tubby Smith still doesn't know what losing to Madison might feel like

We'll take that respect to go please, thanks!

[TAW]

The problem is, Badger fans don't want respect. They want worship. God himself expects less respect. Excuse us for not throwing ourselves to the ground and for not tossing rose petals at your feet.

You are so, SO wrong Rodent Rampage! I have it on good authority that what we want is beer; if you have no beer, paint thinner will do, of course...

[ulfr]

DL - this is where it gets scary. O'Brien Schofield is the only returning starter, and only real returning depth other than Dan Moore. Nzegwu and Brenden Kelly probably factor in at DE. You have to hope that Westphal (a **** DE recruit) can give them something/


Tyler Westphal according the Badger fans is transferring to NDSU so he can play right away, so YEAH!! We rescued a kid from that craphole madison!!

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[gopherbadgerman]

The problem is, Badger fans don't want respect. They want worship. God himself expects less respect. Excuse us for not throwing ourselves to the ground and for not tossing rose petals at your feet.

Not true, IMO...

Gopher Fans want to rip the Badgers instead of looking in the mirror.


Can you imagine if these two programs records over the past 15 years were reversed, Wisky would hear no end of the Gopher fan bashing.

The OP looks really smart after this thread was rehashed, although there are lots of threads which would do the same.

Bottom line is that the Gophers are not on the same level as the Badgers. Maybe they will be in a few years, but as of now, the programs are not even comparable.

[dpodoll68]

Maybe they will be in a few years, but as of now, the programs are not even comparable.

You're right.

The Vadgers could win the national title 5 years in a row and still not have as many as the Gophers.

[RodentRampage]

Not true, IMO...

I'll give your opinion all the consideration it deserves.

[AhliBobwa]

Not true, IMO...

Bottom line is that the Gophers are not on the same level as the Badgers. Maybe they will be in a few years, but as of now, the programs are not even comparable. :pig::pig::pig:

Wow....I mean, The Gophers have had a dry spell and haven't done well against the Badgers recently. But they are not even comparable? That's such an absurd statement from a geographic, competitive, and everything else standpoint. The only program in the Big Ten that is currently 'not even comparable' to the other programs is Ohio State. They have been on another level for quite some time. Michigan was on that level also before the recent Wolverine swoon.

I respect the success Wisconsin and Iowa have had, even if I don't exactly like either team (to put it charitably). So where do you get off claiming that when the shoes are on the other feet the Gopher fans will be oh so much worse than the Badgers? Do you have any evidence for that claim? Of course you don't.

Everyone knows you are a Badger fan. You are a repugnant troll who lives to throw sand in the eyes of actual Gopher fans. Get a life and return to your Badger brethren.

There is nothing wrong with being a Badger fan.

There is something VERY wrong with being a troll who pretends to like a team only to revel in taunting that team's fanbase.

You might as well be PantherHawk.

[lakesbison]

sorry for starting this!
i searched for tyler westphal and got this. MY BAD!

[scools12]

Ahlibobwa you just turned 40 years of being irrelevant in college football to a "dry spell".

[RodentRampage]

sorry for starting this!

That's what your parents said.

[AhliBobwa]

Ahlibobwa you just turned 40 years of being irrelevant in college football to a "dry spell". :confused::pig:

rolls eyes. Pathetic on your part. Truly pathetic. You are really gonna go this route too? Why even post here?

The Gophers have been to 9 bowl games in 10 years. They have won 3 of them. They had an impressive 10 win season in 2003 that featured the most electrifying backfield in recent college football. In this span the Gophers have had players win the Thorpe award, Rimington Trophy, Mackey award, and Outland Trophy.

Have the Gophers been dominant. Obviously not. Irrelevant? Hardly.

[gopherbadgerman]

:pig::pig::pig:

Wow....I mean, The Gophers have had a dry spell and haven't done well against the Badgers recently. But they are not even comparable? That's such an absurd statement from a geographic, competitive, and everything else standpoint. The only program in the Big Ten that is currently 'not even comparable' to the other programs is Ohio State. They have been on another level for quite some time. Michigan was on that level also before the recent Wolverine swoon.

I respect the success Wisconsin and Iowa have had, even if I don't exactly like either team (to put it charitably). So where do you get off claiming that when the shoes are on the other feet the Gopher fans will be oh so much worse than the Badgers? Do you have any evidence for that claim? Of course you don't.

Everyone knows you are a Badger fan. You are a repugnant troll who lives to throw sand in the eyes of actual Gopher fans. Get a life and return to your Badger brethren.

There is nothing wrong with being a Badger fan.

There is something VERY wrong with being a troll who pretends to like a team only to revel in taunting that team's fanbase.

You might as well be PantherHawk.

Dry spell? Is that what you call it? The gophs have had a couple of pretty good seasons over the past 20+ years - I believe they were 10-3 a couple of times with winning B10 records, which is very respectable. But that is not comparable, IMO, to what Wisconsin has done in the past 20+ years.

How bad does the UW basketball team get it on the BB board since they have not beaten the Gophers in x amount of games? That is where I drew my "evidence" you ask for.

For the record, I like both MN and Wisky, I just respond with thoughts to posts. Read all my posts, there are lots of "positive" ones out there, you just choose to bash me on the ones you do not agree with. I suppose that is the easy way. No offense meant or taken.

[MNBadgerGuy]

You're right.

The Vadgers could win the national title 5 years in a row and still not have as many as the Gophers.

This is my favorite argument for this supposed Minnesota supremacy. You are hanging your hat on National Championships from the segregation days. Congratulations! I'm sure the glory days are just around the corner. Keep waiting, the rest of the B10 is enjoying it!

[justthefacts]

This is my favorite argument for this supposed Minnesota supremacy. You are hanging your hat on National Championships from the segregation days. Congratulations! I'm sure the glory days are just around the corner. Keep waiting, the rest of the B10 is enjoying it!

Are you saying that national championships earned when the vote was taken in November before the team lost in a bowl somehow count less? Preposterous.

[RodentRampage]

It beats hanging your hat on Wisconsin's legendary cannibalism and zoonecrophilia.

[Regdab]

There is certainly some crow to be eaten. As it stands now, Minnesota doesn't (and never really did) have any reason to criticize the Wisconsin program. When the Gophers beat the Badgers, then and only then will there be any kind of permission to brag.

[dpodoll68]

This is my favorite argument for this supposed Minnesota supremacy.

Didn't see anywhere that anyone posited any "Minnesota supremacy," but since you asked, there is no question that Minnesota is leaps and bounds ahead of Wisconsin from a historical perspective. For reference: 6-0. 18-11. 59-52-8.


You are hanging your hat on National Championships from the segregation days.

I'd rather hang my hat on those than the zero, ever, including segregation days, that Wisconsin has. I mean, Wisconsin was playing during the timeframe Minnesota won its titles, correct?


Congratulations!

Thanks! It feels good to know that my program is relevant historically! It also feels good to know that my school's program started before 1990!


I'm sure the glory days are just around the corner. Keep waiting, the rest of the B10 is enjoying it!

No one said or insinuated that past success has anything to do with future achievements! You are a master of strawman arguments!

[lakesbison]

its OFFICIAL. NDSU gets 4 star transfer from WISCONSIN. 6 6 245 DE Tyler Westphal.


suck on that SCONI' VILLE!!

[Gold Vision]

its OFFICIAL. NDSU gets 4 star transfer from WISCONSIN. 6 6 230 DE Tyler Westphal.


suck on that SCONI' VILLE!!

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gopher4life15]

Maybe we should just worry about trying to beat the Badgers before talking trash with them.

[gophmeister]

Maybe we should just worry about trying to beat the Badgers before talking trash with them.

+1

Let's win a few. They will stop being arrogant when the tide turns.

[Cardinal203212333115Gold]

The meltdown in Madison is happening at way too fast of a pace. At the rate he's going, Bret Bielema will be out of a job in less than 18 months.

I've been saying for 2 years that Bielema at UW is GOOD for the Gophers and the rest of the BT. In my estimation, he needs a good 2, perhaps even 3 more years to do irreparable damage to the Badger program. If BB gets canned before the start of the '10-'11 season, I'm not sure he will have done enough damage to cripple them for any significant period of time.

I can't figure out what's going to be his ultimate undoing; the results on the field or the completely embarassing things he says off the field. It almost seems like he's trying to get fired.

With any luck, BB will pull out a nice 8-4 record next year, perhaps save his job for another year or two. That seems unlikely though, with 6-7 defensive starters graduating and losing 3/5th's of the offensive line as well. Next year could be pretty lean for the folks in Madison.

How long he lasts at UW is significant for two reasons: first, he can run that program even further into the ground with every season he's at the helm. Secondly, the longer he stays and weakens the program, the less attractive of a job it will be to any prominent coaching candidate.

Regardless of how long he lasts, these are clearly two programs heading in opposite directions.

I like your attitude. We thought the same way about Charlie Weis at Notre Dome. Cheese Heads? Maybe they are the same as Domers, but I'm to far away to know from first hand, even second hand experience, or even an off hand experience.

[justthefacts]

its OFFICIAL. NDSU gets 4 star transfer from WISCONSIN. 6 6 245 DE Tyler Westphal.


suck on that SCONI' VILLE!!

You realize that when a player transfers from a BCS-conference team in his home state that has just won a bowl game to a team that went 2-6 in the Missouri Valley Conference it isn't usually because he's one of the best players at his position on his original team, right?

[RealPushBack]

its OFFICIAL. NDSU gets 4 star transfer from WISCONSIN. 6 6 245 DE Tyler Westphal.


suck on that SCONI' VILLE!!

Well he transfered because he was injured and fell to 4th team. He move on to a lesser school for playing time....you know just like Kim Royston.

[Ole]

Maybe we should just worry about trying to beat the Badgers before talking trash with them.

Screw that!
Just bow down and be quiet?
First of all, thanks to our favorite NoDak for reanimating this thread:rolleyes:

Second, Congrats to the Badgers for beating us the last few years, I'm sure they'll congratulate us on beating them the previous last century. We'll be back, they know it and hopefully our fans know it too.

Finally, I'll never quit talking trash to the drunken popcorn box wearing skunk people from Zoonecrophilia and serial killer cheeseland, never. Ever. My maroon and gold DNA will not allow it.

[Regdab]

He move on to a lesser school for playing time....you know just like Kim Royston.

:cool03::cool03::cool03:

+1

P.S. I try to stay out of it, but come on guys... citing an injured 4th stringer who transferred to NDSU as a reason for why Wisconsin "sucks"?

I know the Gophers don't have much leverage in the argument, but at least try to be creative or humerous when attempting to talk smack with the team who you haven't beaten in 6 seasons.

[Costa Rican Gopher]

I'm not going to read the whole thread, but I love that Badger fans are opening new accounts at GH and giving the Gopher board traffic while their dogcrap board has tumbleweeds blowing through it.

[lakesbison]

Tyler wasnt 4th string, he played great in the spring game in wisky. he just got stuck behind 2 guys.

Stealing kids from wisconsin helps minnesota & ndsu. its a win win!

[zman]

Tyler wasnt 4th string, he played great in the spring game in wisky. he just got stuck behind 2 guys.


So that would make him 3rd string? Much better.