America on Obama

[diehard]

The Leaners included:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

The hard core:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

One more National Calamity (it is coming) and where do we turn? Not back to a Bush lite. Not to the Liberal wing of the Democrats. Will someone, somewhere stand up with a lick of common sense? Just 1 honest leader to start with, please!

[Costa Rican Gopher]

I can only think of three I can get behind right now. Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Jesse Ventura. Throw some new names out there would ya? Obama vs Romney is more of the same imo.

[diehard]

It looks like Lou Dobbs is going to run for the New Jersey US Senate against Bob Menendez in '12. Dobbs vs. a Latino. Should be interesting. President in '12? First it has to be someone that can win. The party building doesn't work from the top down. It has to start locally and grow to the state level, and Congress before we can elect a President from a 3rd party. In the mean time you have to get behind Paul as a Republican (he understands this) or Kucinich (God forbid, only his wife is worthy), or Ventura would have to affiliate with a major party (no way). It's a long hard pull and not for the feint of heart. Just my opinion.

[Costa Rican Gopher]

That's exactly what Ron Paul said. His "Campaign for Liberty" was really an educational tour where they taught interested folks how to become part of their local Governments , how to become delegates how to plant the seeds for future elections. It should be interesting to see what happens between now and 2012 as they've been busy as beavers trying to flood the system on a grass roots level.

[Gopher4Life]

>>It has to start locally and grow to the state level...<<

That's certainly one way to do it...but that's a lengthy process.

Another approach would be for a bonafide presidential candidate to emerge who already has a growing legion of support...one who can tap into the national unrest and frustration, one who actually listens to the people, and one who is seen as trustworthy by voters. After that initial success, establishing the new national party with local and state candidates would naturally follow.

I'm not advocating these as candidates, but I suspect that Hannity, Dobbs, Limbaugh, or Palin could garner 25% of a national vote right now without even campaigning.

[diehard]

G4L, I think you have proposed the perfect plan for failure. The kind of failure that elects people like Al Franken. Some times hard work and patience is the only way to be successful. Your microwave solution is typical of the fat, dumb, and happy populace. You know better, you just slipped up. It's time to stop shooting blanks and accomplish something.

[Costa Rican Gopher]

I'd probably vote for Dobbs.

[Gopher4Life]

diehard,

There's always at least two ways to skin a cat...and another addtional approach that never even crosses the mind.

The quicker approach (from top down) has a bit of a chance. The bottom up approach has no chance at all with two alert and well-funded parties ready to snuff out every little threat to their power.

[diehard]

Don't be such a negative loser. That NEVER accomplishes anything. Realistically a Blue Dog Dem is the best option if the San Francisco Liberals can have their grip of power taken from them. They are failing beyond imagination at present.

[Costa Rican Gopher]

Diehard, Blue Dog Democrats to get power away from the San Francisco Democrats? That "lesser of two evils" rationale has never made sense to me. How about NO Democrat? The entire party has been corrupted and this "This wing is less corrupt than that wing" is not helping to fix the problems.

[Costa Rican Gopher]

G4L, in conspiracy world people will tell you there was a young, handsome, charismatic man with a well known last name and enough money to run against anyone as an Independent and win. Shortly after announcing privately to close friends and family that he was going to run as an Independent he died in a mysterious, small airplane crash. His name was John F Kennedy Jr.

[diehard]

Diehard, Blue Dog Democrats to get power away from the San Francisco Democrats? That "lesser of two evils" rationale has never made sense to me. How about NO Democrat? The entire party has been corrupted and this "This wing is less corrupt than that wing" is not helping to fix the problems.

You're quite correct. It has not helped to date. Perhaps moveon, huffington, and the koz can not be defeated for control of the Democrat Party. That is indeed sad.

[Gopher4Life]

Costa,

In the next big horse race, an independent who already has a strong base of national support can beat Obama by two lengths if he can hang onto conservatives and grab the lion's share of the moderates. Obama is far from unbeatable and he staggers more each day.

[Dr.Don]

Dear G4L, etal.

How about this... We appreciate what we have, We appreciate what we want, We appreciate what is. Have a Great Thanksgiving Holiday.

Everyone's friend....Dr.Don.

[LesBolstad]

That's a decent ticket. Better than anything the Dems could put together.

[XMan]

The sad part is that Palin would probably get 25% of the vote right now without campaigning....however, she is absolutely CLUELESS.

We don't need any more hate mongers like Hannity or anyone else like the FOX crowd....or anyone way on the left from CNBC. We need real people who can actually think without an ageda.

[Gopher4Life]

XMan,

It appears you might be the poster child for the problem. "Real people" are supporting the very voices you're besmirching.

[jamiche]

XMan,

It appears you might be the poster child for the problem. "Real people" are supporting the very voices you're besmirching.

Maybe Dr. Don should examine me to see if I am a "real person".

[Friend Of Tubby]

G4L, in conspiracy world people will tell you there was a young, handsome, charismatic man with a well known last name and enough money to run against anyone as an Independent and win. Shortly after announcing privately to close friends and family that he was going to run as an Independent he died in a mysterious, small airplane crash. His name was John F Kennedy Jr.

Jesse Ventura was/is an independent. Minnesota elected him Governor. He's a complete idiot.

[Friend Of Tubby]

I can only think of three I can get behind right now. Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Jesse Ventura. Throw some new names out there would ya? Obama vs Romney is more of the same imo.

Ventura is a moron, 100% to the core. It's an embarrassment that Minnesota elected him Governor.

[diehard]

Ventura is what happens in 3 way races where the winner gets well below a majority of the vote. Largely a protest vote. Franken is the other ridiculous example. Now some idiot Franken fan will come back with, what's he done that you don't like? Minnesotan Morons!

[jamiche]

Ventura is a moron, 100% to the core. It's an embarrassment that Minnesota elected him Governor.

If I had to choose, I'd take Ventura's adolescent like petulance and black and white view of the world (that's why G4 likes him) over the slimy, pompous T-Paw.

Speaking of which, I heard Arne Carlson interviewed a couple of weeks ago and it reminded me of his excellence as a governor. A real republican, in the traditional sense, who worked well with both parties and ran a tight ship. A smart guy.

[tikited]

If I had to choose, I'd take Ventura's adolescent like petulance and black and white view of the world (that's why G4 likes him) over the slimy, pompous T-Paw.

Speaking of which, I heard Arne Carlson interviewed a couple of weeks ago and it reminded me of his excellence as a governor. A real republican, in the traditional sense, who worked well with both parties and ran a tight ship. A smart guy.

I'd take Ventura as well. No doubt about it.

Arne has turned into a Dem. now. He won't officially say it, but his opinions have changed on just about everything. Wish the Arnie now was the Gov. then.

[tikited]

Ventura is what happens in 3 way races where the winner gets well below a majority of the vote. Largely a protest vote. Franken is the other ridiculous example. Now some idiot Franken fan will come back with, what's he done that you don't like? Minnesotan Morons!

If we are such morons, why are you here?

[Gopher4Life]

Jamiche,

>>Maybe Dr. Don should examine me to see if I am a "real person".<<

Save the cost of an office visit. You're not.

I didn't mean to contend that all real people are supporting the conservative voices that XMan labeled as hate-mongers. I meant that the vast majority of their support comes from real people.