Any Of You That Don't Know The Gophers Will Finish 7-5...

[WriterGoph]

are off your rockers.

It's not even going out on a limb to say 7-5. It's what will happen.

The only way I'll be wrong is if they end up beating Iowa too.

I just can't wait til next week to see what all the "Fire Brewster" people find to do with their idle time -- because they surely won't be here posting positively. Think of it as a kind of "mute button."

6 days til silence from you lot.

[thailleagle]

7-5 would be fine with a 14 point loss against Cal, 3 point loss against Wisconsin.......

But 20-0 against PSU? 38-7 against OSU? Unacceptable.......

[WriterGoph]

Okay, bud. 7-5 is 7-5.

I guarantee you would have taken that in September.

[BigGopherFan]

are off your rockers.

It's not even going out on a limb to say 7-5. It's what will happen.

The only way I'll be wrong is if they end up beating Iowa too.

I just can't wait til next week to see what all the "Fire Brewster" people find to do with their idle time -- because they surely won't be here posting positively. Think of it as a kind of "mute button."

6 days til silence from you lot.

Beating Michigan State is going to be tough. SDSU is no pushover either. They are one of the best teams in Division I-AA. I think Minnesota will win, but it won't be a HUGE blowout or anything like that.

[WriterGoph]

Also, is Cal a bad team now??

Last I checked they were 5-2 and both those losses came to Top 10 teams.

[thailleagle]

Okay, bud. 7-5 is 7-5.

I guarantee you would have taken that in September.

Mason did 7-5 time after time and people were fed up with Mediocrity & now the same fans are accepting it...that's my issue.......

Brewster wasn't an upgrade to Mason at all.......

[magpie]

I doubt we'll beat MSU, unless Decker is healthy and Gray sees a few series as QB (who more than runs).

6-6 is realistic. 7-5 is possible. Both are bowl-worthy, but as thailleagle said -- the PSU/OSU losses were too lopsided and therefore unacceptable.

[WriterGoph]

I guess we'll see what you're saying when we head to Iowa City at 7-4.

[magpie]

Mason did 7-5 time after time and people were fed up with Mediocrity & now the same fans are accepting it...that's my issue.......

Brewster wasn't an upgrade to Mason at all.......

First off, let the man get his own players in before you hold him to a standard (especially since some were recruited for an offensive scheme we no longer use).

Second, he's way more likable than Mason, brings in way better recruits, and appears to be more than a coach to these players.

Third, he may be equaling Mason's records so far, but his schedule is MUCH harder, so the team is obviously BETTER, and is getting more national attention.

Give the man some time. The last two losses were bad, but he's still improving overall.

[gophergrad]

First off, let the man get his own players in before you hold him to a standard (especially since some were recruited for an offensive scheme we no longer use).

Second, he's way more likable than Mason, brings in way better recruits, and appears to be more than a coach to these players.

Third, he may be equaling Mason's records so far, but his schedule is MUCH harder, so the team is obviously BETTER, and is getting more national attention.

Give the man some time. The last two losses were bad, but he's still improving overall.

+1.

[thailleagle]

+1. I would only add that under Mason we would finish 7 - 5 after playing all of our non conference games against directional schools. A 7 - 5 record from Brew's schedule is a lot different taking Mason's scheduling into account.

How so when they would've beaten the same teams? My whole point is Brewster so far has not shown to be an upgrade over Mason.......

I don't see a difference...beat the teams you're supposed to...lose to middle of the road teams & get destroyed by the good teams.......

What's changed? Really? Less Offensive Production? More Defensive Production? Same Results though? What's changed...really?

[WriterGoph]

First off, let the man get his own players in before you hold him to a standard (especially since some were recruited for an offensive scheme we no longer use).

Second, he's way more likable than Mason, brings in way better recruits, and appears to be more than a coach to these players.

Third, he may be equaling Mason's records so far, but his schedule is MUCH harder, so the team is obviously BETTER, and is getting more national attention.

Give the man some time. The last two losses were bad, but he's still improving overall.

+2

[go4rob]

are off your rockers.

It's not even going out on a limb to say 7-5. It's what will happen.

The only way I'll be wrong is if they end up beating Iowa too.

I just can't wait til next week to see what all the "Fire Brewster" people find to do with their idle time -- because they surely won't be here posting positively. Think of it as a kind of "mute button."

6 days til silence from you lot.

you may be right, and I hope you are. However, to me, it was not losing the last two games, it was HOW we lost, that was the most discouraging. We lost the way poor team always lose, they shoot themselves in the foot, unforced penalties, turnovers, mouthing off, we looked like a very poorly coached team, and that is a fact!

[Ole]

How so when they would've beaten the same teams? My whole point is Brewster so far has not shown to be an upgrade over Mason.......

I don't see a difference...beat the teams you're supposed to...lose to middle of the road teams & get destroyed by the good teams.......

What's changed? Really? Less Offensive Production? More Defensive Production? Same Results though? What's changed...really?

I think the point is, right now everything is equal, but Brewster is selling the program better, recruiting better, emphasizing defense more, and getting things set up for the future better.

Also as far as the penalties go, the Stoudemire interference, Simmons interference, Small late hit, were all judgement calls and IMO shouldn't have been called.

[WriterGoph]

you may be right, and I hope you are. However, to me, it was not losing the last two games, it was HOW we lost, that was the most discouraging. We lost the way poor team always lose, they shoot themselves in the foot, unforced penalties, turnovers, mouthing off, we looked like a very poorly coached team, and that is a fact!


Good points. It was def a frustrating two weeks, but if we had lost two games by 3 points it would have been the same result. 4-4.

The funny thing is, all the Brew haters would still be posting that Brew is a bad coach and should be fired because he lost two close games.

[thailleagle]

If the score to the OSU game would've been along the lines of...let's say...17-14 (sound familiar?) then there would be reason for optimism just as there was after a hard fought Cal loss...

...But NO...the score was 38-7...worse then last year when we were a worse team and OSU was better.......

[WriterGoph]

Great. The record is the same. Focus is on MSU.

Move on.

[thailleagle]

Great. The record is the same. Focus is on MSU.

Move on.

Then why were people bringing up that Mason lost 44-0 his last year as HC instead of saying he lost as well? Iowa's 55-0 blowout over us meant a lot more then a simple 3 or 4 point loss and if you can't see why then I feel sorry for you.......

[GoldenHerbs]

I predicted 7-5 before the season started and it is possible if we beat Michigan State next week but your acting like its a guarantee. Michigan State is gonna be real tough, we will be lucky to win. Do you remember that we have scored 7 points in the last 2 weeks?

[tjgopher]

It's not even going out on a limb to say 7-5.

Well, I hope you're right, but we'll have to pull off one upset to get to 7 wins. We're a home underdog this weekend (+6.5).

Frankly, if our offense doesn't improve fast, we'll have trouble moving the ball against MSU. That defense had stepped it up the last four weeks. After a slow start, that MSU defense has become really, really good.

[MGGopher]

you may be right, and I hope you are. However, to me, it was not losing the last two games, it was HOW we lost, that was the most discouraging. We lost the way poor team always lose, they shoot themselves in the foot, unforced penalties, turnovers, mouthing off, we looked like a very poorly coached team, and that is a fact!

I dunno...I don't agree that it's poor coaching. I thought we lost the way that young, inexperienced teams lose (and we ARE a relatively young team, with many true and redshirt freshmen making major contributions): fumble on a kick-off, dropped passes, stupid interference on a fair catch. Did upperclassmen make mistakes? Of course...there were the blown coverages, the Weber turnovers, the consistently bad pass-pro. But to me, a lot of our ills are a direct result of this team's inexperience...not lack of discipline.

[Art Vandelay]

I dunno...I don't agree that it's poor coaching. I thought we lost the way that young, inexperienced teams lose (and we ARE a relatively young team, with many true and redshirt freshmen making major contributions): fumble on a kick-off, dropped passes, stupid interference on a fair catch. Did upperclassmen make mistakes? Of course...there were the blown coverages, the Weber turnovers, the consistently bad pass-pro. But to me, a lot of our ills are a direct result of this team's inexperience...not lack of discipline.

Wrong. Coming into this season, the Gophers returned the most experience of any B10 team.

[cncmin]

you may be right, and I hope you are. However, to me, it was not losing the last two games, it was HOW we lost, that was the most discouraging. We lost the way poor team always lose, they shoot themselves in the foot, unforced penalties, turnovers, mouthing off, we looked like a very poorly coached team, and that is a fact!

I'm curious if you think that, for example, Jimmy Johnson was a very poor coach when he was at U Miami in the mid-80s? If I recall correctly, he won a NC and consistently had a top-10 team, one that did all of those things you lament above.

Brewster brought ATTITUDE to the team, and I'd rather have them fight than give up. So far, Brewster teams have given up twice: Iowa last year and OSU this year. Mason teams gave up much more often than once a year. So in that respect, I'll take a few dumb penalties if it means the guys haven't quit.

[alphagopher]

Reality check people! We cannot ignore what is going on here. Heads out of sand, please.

We will be lucky to win one, maybe two more games. 6-6 is the best we can hope for-UNLESS--

everything that has happened the past two weeks reverses itself-
*dumb and way too numerous penalties
*lack of execution-dropped passes, missed tackles, etc
*not getting the better of the opponent on 3rd down, both sides of the ball
*negative turnover margin
*no pass rush
*no running game by our backs
*what else did I miss?

We are regressing in a big, big way. Losing to PSU and OSU is one thing, but losing the way we did is really, really concerning. Rome may not be burning, but the barbarians are nearing the gate.

It pains me to write this, but many of us really need to wake up and smell the sanka.

[ilovebeer6969]

are off your rockers.

It's not even going out on a limb to say 7-5. It's what will happen.

The only way I'll be wrong is if they end up beating Iowa too.

I just can't wait til next week to see what all the "Fire Brewster" people find to do with their idle time -- because they surely won't be here posting positively. Think of it as a kind of "mute button."

6 days til silence from you lot.


You must be retarded or something. There's no chance we finish at 7-5 or better.

[MBAGuy]

You must be retarded or something. There's no chance we finish at 7-5 or better.

Speaking of mouth breathers....

Thanks for stopping by. Welcome to the board. :rolleyes:

[Mouth Breather #1]

The odds of us finishing 5-7 or worse is much, much greater than the odds of us finishing 7-5 or better. Probably three times as likely. The only way we actually get to seven wins is if MarQueis gets a significant increase in playing time. But I doubt Brewster will actually figure out that #5 will give us the best chance to win football games from this point on in the 2009 season.

[thailleagle]

You must be Hawkeye or something. There's no chance we finish at 7-5 or better.

Fixed........

[Schnoodler]

Talent disparities can cause many on field problems. The problem is their strengths were against our weakness. It maginified the difference. It's just the way it goes. Deal with it.

[RedPoo]

The odds of us finishing 5-7 or worse is much, much greater than the odds of us finishing 7-5 or better. Probably three times as likely. The only way we actually get to seven wins is if MarQueis gets a significant increase in playing time. But I doubt Brewster will actually figure out that #5 will give us the best chance to win football games from this point on in the 2009 season.


The sheer number of idiots that show up here (for the first time) in a rough stretch, just to badmouth the team, absolutely blows my mind.

It wouldn't be quite so annoying if the actually made a decent point once in a while.

[charlesbenjamin7]

But I thought we were supposed to be in the Rose Bowl by now?!?! The same people that argued that Mason should be fired have, in order to justify their own stupidity, have developed this patience argument all of a sudden. Guess what? Next year isn't going to any better either - 6-6.

[WriterGoph]

5 days til a ton of people on this thread look like idiots and go back into their depressing caves.

I just can't wait to be right. It feels oh so goooood.

[Too Long in the Wasteland]

Also, we aren't playing the array of cooking schools that Mason scheduled year in and year out. Some of Mason's teams would have been lucky to go 2-2 vs. this year's OOC slate.

[akgopher]

Seriously, I don't feel that records mean a whole lot in this situation. The Iowa beat-down last fall put the microscope on Brewster and we haven't put together an impressive win yet and have failed to answer the bell and at least compete with Wisconsin, Ohio State, or Penn State. We did compete for a while with Cal. I'd feel better with a 5-7 record if we played tougher against those teams than I will with a 6-6 and beating SDSU and Illinois and getting blasted by Iowa again.

[PigAxeJug]

I love how people throw wisconsin in their as a team we havent competed with. Average scoring difference is less than a TD average in brewster era (4.3 point difference). We haven't won yet, i know, but not competing is a gross mis-statement.

[thailleagle]

Wrong. Coming into this season, the Gophers returned the most experience of any B10 team.

^^^THIS

[Brewscrew]

At least in year ten Brewster won't be saying 'it is a rebuilding year' like Mason did! Settle down silver spoon babies and let Brewster build a decimated program up.

[Maximus]

Third, he may be equaling Mason's records so far, but his schedule is MUCH harder, so the team is obviously BETTER, and is getting more national attention.


More national attention? Right.....I just read on ESPN.com that we were No. 3 on Mark Schlabach top five list of "Off the Mark: Defenseless" for our performance against Ohio State. Then I read in last week's Forde Yard Dash by Pat Forde that we ran the fewest number of plays in college football. Don't forget the OSU flagship station analyzing the reasons why OSU fans left early....playing a crappy team in crappy weather. Don't forget all the Cal fans predicting they were in trouble against Oregon when their team was tied in the fourth quarter against Minnesota.

You can't buy pub like that.

Also...per the "harder" schedule....Minnesota will play four ranked teams this season....just like Mase's teams did in 2005 and 2006.

[thailleagle]

At least in year ten Brewster won't be saying 'it is a rebuilding year' like Mason did! Settle down silver spoon babies and let Brewster build a decimated program up.

Assuming he even makes it to "Year 10".......


More national attention? Right.....I just read on ESPN.com that we were No. 3 on Mark Schlabach top five list of "Off the Mark: Defenseless" for our performance against Ohio State. Then I read in last week's Forde Yard Dash by Pat Forde that we ran the fewest number of plays in college football. Don't forget the OSU flagship station analyzing the reasons why OSU fans left early....playing a crappy team in crappy weather. Don't forget all the Cal fans predicting they were in trouble against Oregon when their team was tied in the fourth quarter against Minnesota.

You can't buy pub like that.

Also...per the "harder" schedule....Minnesota will play four ranked teams this season....just like Mase's teams did in 2005 and 2006.

People on this board don't like facts.......

[Studwell55]

I don't think we'll be 7-4 going into Iowa City.

I would be happy were that the case though.

[WriterGoph]

4 days.

Nothing like a quality win to make people breath through their noses.

[thailleagle]

And if they lose?

[WriterGoph]

Then I'd be wrong and this board would continue its recent suckiness.

Good thing I'm rarely wrong.

[skiumah2]

Okay, bud. 7-5 is 7-5.

I guarantee you would have taken that in September.
I’ve always hated the phrase that goes something like this, “If someone told you at the beginning of the season that the Gophers would go 7-5, you’d take it.” It is the most single misleading statement ever. It is used to mask negativity that is dripping from results that are mostly disappointing. That’s like saying, “If someone told you that you would be a millionaire by the time you were 30, you’d take it.” Well what if you won the $100,000,000 lottery 7 days before your 30th birthday, and died 6 days later? Would you still take that?

I can only think of 2 scenarios where a 7-5 record would be satisfying. A victory at Iowa would be definitely satisfying. Or, a loss to Iowa without getting blown out, and a bowl victory to finish 8-5 would be somewhat satisfying. Other than that, the 2 blowout losses to PSU and OSU combined with the home loss to Wisconsin tarnishes any 7-5 finish we may or may not acheive. Unfortunately, I don't have your confidence in the Gophers finishing 7-5. I hope you're right though.

[scools12]

7-5 would be fine with a 14 point loss against Cal, 3 point loss against Wisconsin.......

But 20-0 against PSU? 38-7 against OSU? Unacceptable.......

you have to be the most moronic person ever on this board. if the "mase" went 7-5 with the performances against PSU & OSU you would be saying "mase" did more with this team then he should have based on the talent level.

[Khaliq]

you have to be the most moronic person ever on this board. if the "mase" went 7-5 with the performances against PSU & OSU you would be saying "mase" did more with this team then he should have based on the talent level.It is possible to dislike both Mason and Brewster.

[thailleagle]

you have to be the most moronic person ever on this board. if the "mase" went 7-5 with the performances against PSU & OSU you would be saying "mase" did more with this team then he should have based on the talent level.

So you're still satisfied with being mediocre? Ok...that's fine...I just thought that was why we got rid of Mason...maybe I was wrong.......

[scools12]

It is possible to dislike both Mason and Brewster.

i can't disagree with that but theilleagle's posts more then once seem to indicate he would rather go back to the mason days. the days in fact he has said himnself were medicore.

it has been 3 years under brewster and more time is needed, not what people like to hear, but still the same more time is needed.

i am not saying brewster is better or will be better than mason but show some patience. this program hasn't been relevant for 40 years.

what it seems as far as recruiting, acknowledging that you need to play defense and the overall selling of the program brewster is light years ahead in year 3 then mason was in all of his years.

[thailleagle]

i can't disagree with that but theilleagle's posts more then once seem to indicate he would rather go back to the mason days. the days in fact he has said himnself were medicore.

it has been 3 years under brewster and more time is needed, not what people like to hear, but still the same more time is needed.

i am not saying brewster is better or will be better than mason but show some patience. this program hasn't been relevant for 40 years.

what it seems as far as recruiting, acknowledging that you need to play defense and the overall selling of the program brewster is light years ahead in year 3 then mason was in all of his years.

Would rather go back to the Mason days? LOL...it's amazing how you came to that conclusion from that statement. You're reaching, calm down and have a Snickers.......

Maybe YOU miss Mason.......

[scools12]

Would rather go back to the Mason days? LOL...it's amazing how you came to that conclusion from that statement. You're reaching, calm down and have a Snickers.......

Maybe YOU miss Mason.......

don't miss mason at all. thought he was fired 3 years too late. besides it is not just this one statement I am drawing a conlcusion from. it is your whole tone on this board. others see it to as there is a whole thread calling you out.

[thailleagle]

don't miss mason at all. thought he was fired 3 years too late. besides it is not just this one statement I am drawing a conlcusion from. it is your whole tone on this board. others see it to as there is a whole thread calling you out.

So you've been here since March & think you know 3 or 4 years worth of my posting? Stop it........

Put me on Ignore, it really is THAT easy... :D

[WriterGoph]

Haters, you don't know how good it feels to bump this one to the top.

Take your medicine like gentlemen now, please.

Those that had faith...much respect due.

[akgopher]

Someone had to win that one. Next week will be interesting

[WriterGoph]

Someone had to win that one. Next week will be interesting

Typical

[akgopher]

Typical

what do you want? I'm shocked that we won despite 17 penalties and next week is an intriguing match-up because we don't know how good Illinois is.

[WriterGoph]

Okay, fair enough. Can you chill on the negative sh*t for this week, then?

[akgopher]

Honestly, the roller coaster ride is entertaining- it's fun. I can't stand Brewster and think he's in over his head, but he's upgraded the talent. They are going to get pounded and look like a JUCO team and then they are going to win when they have no business winning because they've got guys who can make big plays.

[WriterGoph]

^^^Pretty fair assessment.